The Syndicate

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:09 pm one thing that gives me pause with thunal is that she has been very... conciliatory with me throughout all this

i even flat out said I was ignoring her and the response was nothing

is this because she's focused on solving, because she's town, or because she hopes being a little distant from me will get me to focus more on scotty/elsewhere, and then if she eventually flips red, it'll look like I am spewed her partner? (this is a galaxy brain take admittedly)

but then she also has invested most of her energy into the quasi thunderdome with scotty, which is a lightning rod for attention. is that Solving with a capital S?

Honestly, it's because I think you're town and I've consistently felt like you believe what you're saying. I also thought you being on the sidelines and making a difference check was not partner behavior with Scotty.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:59 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:05 pm Falcon feels different from any game I've seen him in before. I don't think him saying I'm town because he doesn't have an opinion on me is bad because I'm more likely to be town at random like he said. It reminds me of the Telemundo thing on MU. He feels completely opposite to me in his takes and I'm a little paranoid of him going after Syn.

What games of mine are you referencing for this vibe read? Telemundo?

I have no memory of Telemundo, help a fella out

It's a meme on MU where someone townread a nonexistent player named Telemundo and a lot of people wolfread them but they were town who just GTH read Telemundo town because it's above random for someone to be town.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:56 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:09 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:01 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:37 pm Of the people currently sussing me, I’d rank them as follows from wolfiest > not wolfiest:
Syn> nutella> svs> marmot
I’m not sussing you, I think you’re probably town. I also think you took stuff out of context because you’re tunneling. Just like you did with me in Dont Starve; and that got you yeeted day one.

I mainly want you to reassess your position in context.

Especially since you are now in read only status.

Think about what I’m trying to point out to you. That’s all I ask.
Can you explain why you think Scotty is town?
Same reasons I thought so yesterday, plus he tunneled me exactly like this, right down to the quasi hysterical tone,in another game where he was town. He’s sussed you fairly continuously since mid day one, only taking a break after LCs reads list. He comes into today calling for your head. What possible benefit would a baddie get from acting like that?

I’ve seen this before, up close and personal.

My only caveat is that since I blasted him this AM I only really replied to/read recent posts and haven’t read back on everything he has said today (at one point I had like 6 notifications from him :O ), so if he has said or done something exceptionally wolfy today I haven’t seen it yet

But as of this AM I thought he was prolly just town with a very bad take on EOD day one and how it went down.

The meta point is good to know anyway. Can you link the game? I've seen plenty of wolves tunnel people, and they usually do it when they sense the gamestate is going to be bad for them. If someone like Epi is Scotty's partner, I could easily see him starting the day with a tunnel to try to shake things up.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:01 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:37 pm Of the people currently sussing me, I’d rank them as follows from wolfiest > not wolfiest:
Syn> nutella> svs> marmot
I’m not sussing you, I think you’re probably town. I also think you took stuff out of context because you’re tunneling. Just like you did with me in Dont Starve; and that got you yeeted day one.

I mainly want you to reassess your position in context.

Especially since you are now in read only status.

Think about what I’m trying to point out to you. That’s all I ask.

Can you explain why you think Scotty is town?

nutella
SVS

Marmot
Syn

Rico
Falcon

Epi
Scotty

Falcon feels different from any game I've seen him in before. I don't think him saying I'm town because he doesn't have an opinion on me is bad because I'm more likely to be town at random like he said. It reminds me of the Telemundo thing on MU. He feels completely opposite to me in his takes and I'm a little paranoid of him going after Syn.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:24 pm @Epignosis if you are town, which I am not inclined to believe at the moment: I encourage you to fully read my exchange with Scotty. I encourage you to make any effort to see town POV in my posts, rather than cherrypicking what you dislike and dipping. I encourage you to broaden your scope of engagement with the topics of discussion in the thread. I encourage you to provide thoughts on other players and on more than a surface level. What I've seen from you today is uninspiring and looks like a mafia member finding a single gripe to poke at while ignoring the full tapestry of interactions and not stopping to think about how townies actually think. Use your theory of mind. If you're actually town, show that you care because it certainly doesn't look like you do.

I'm very confident Nutella is town.

My reaction was "is that all he has?" for his case on you, which reminds me a bit of how I tried to be confident on Logic in my champs qualifier (as wolf) but had a hard time actually pulling convincing evidence.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:20 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:09 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:58 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:46 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:23 pm I also immediately disregarded Dizzy as the likely mark because Lime Coke put dizzy at the top of the list.

No one does that, it’s too obvious.

…
I am soooooo close to snapvoting you my dude. Your retro-perspectives on this have been tooooo convenient.
I don’t know if you’re just backreading or what but there is nothing retrospective here. I’ve already been through all of this with Thunal
It's all retrospective editing of your D1 perspective.

You come into the day saying "I thought the sealer was Thunal."

You are prodded on this point and your inconsistent treatment of Dizzy.

You say you didn't realize Lime was shielding Dizzy as much when he was like pretty inarguably shielding Dizzy the most.

You then say you thought that made Dizzy "too obvious" to be the sealer.

You're making shit up.
ok, wow

It’s not retrospective for me to say this in the slightest. I think I said in plainest ‘not giving it away’ terms that I wasn’t going to vote thunal necuase of LC shielding her.

And I’ve already said this three times and I’m not going to keep repeating myself here but the dichotomy of me thinking it was thunal and not dizzy was because I was hyoertunneled on thunal.

Then dizzy being at the top. PF COURSE I’m not gonna say all of this in thread because I want to PROTECT THE PR who I thought was thunal.

Like I feel like I’m getting indicted on things I thought that were best not to be said in thread, so it’s a lose lose

I believe you thought I was a PR. I also believe that's easier to think of as a wolf.

Something that also pinged me about Scotty isn't just what SVS said about Scotty saying it was hard to believe that LC shielded me, it's also that Scotty himself had a period of time when he was unsure on me. He said I was "straight down the middle" in a readslist he made, so why would it be so unbelievable for LC to townread me without me being a PR?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:10 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:19 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:37 pm I'll focus on clearing as many people as I can and coming to a consensus vote pool.
How’s that ‘clearing’ coming?
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:41 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:55 pm i am back to thunal/scotty

by the lord ruler the game is solved
Why did you suspect Scotty here?
One of thunal’s random questions. Syn answered but Thunal didn’t seem to do anything with his answer.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:45 pm I'm not feeling Epi mafia anymore. I caught him from spec in that game where he was wolf with Delta and he felt different there. Here it feels like he's throwing out takes while there it felt like he had a clear agenda.
Hmmmm
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Yo, check this progression:
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:06 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:27 am Hmmmm

Yeah never mind it isn't scotty

Why don't you think I believe my reads scotty?
Slightly good look for Marmot imo.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:12 pm I don't have a scumread and it's frustrating. I feel like it would be a waste to just chop the 1 poster today. I definitely don't want to chop in Scotty, nutella, Syn, Seanzie, or SVS.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:38 pm In case there's any contention, I'd rather Seanzie die than Marmot. Let's hope this is right.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
That’s the progression of someone that casts a wide net and doesn’t actually care who goes.
Marmot slightly good look > will not vote 5 names including Seanzie > voting Seanzie over marmot.

I think she forgot who she actually suspected.
I absolutely loathe this post.

At this point we were trying to find a consensus since we had a lot of spread locked votes. If you read other peoples posts from this time frame, everyone in the thread (except Nutella who was kinda mocking us, lol) we ALL were doing this. The people trying to find someone we all could agree on vs the people who wanted to default to Rico.

I kinda pushed her to vote Sean after he had gotten a third vote. He was a null for me.

This is all about how EOD went and zero about progression. Thinal, along with Dizzy, we’re considering Rico.

This usage of what happened at EOD to somehow make a “poor progression” argument on the person least responsible for Sean’s yeet is disingenuous in the extreme to my POV.

I can’t even say how much I hate this.

I felt badly about this but couldn't fully explain why other than yes, I'm town and I was struggling to find a scumread.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:25 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:45 am Scotty's recent posts responding to SVS give me pause on him. He says that he doesn't see eye-to-eye with SVS, but on the other hand, his responses are very conciliatory in a way that he's kind of accepting what SVS is saying, which doesn't strike me as a response I would expect from him towards a player that he doesn't see eye-to-eye with. I would expect a little more challenging of viewpoints.

It could just be Scotty attempting to have good faith discussions after SVS accused him of the opposite, but that's not my gut impression.

When people suspect me, it’s like I’ve got ice water thrown at my face at a party and i’m instantly sober. Which means I guess im usually driving drunk with no seatbelt. (Don’t do that, kids)
But when people suspect me, or at least have doubt in me, the game becomes ‘do they actually suspect me or are they just trying to find a patsy’?

So in this case:
-SVS hates hates hates that post. Does she actually? Maybe. If I have a hit in Thunal, then she’s probably gonna want to protect her partner. If I don’t have a hit, and she’s wolf, this is probably an attempt to bury me. If she thinks I don’t have a hit and she’s town, I buy that she could very frustrated with how I’m handling thunal’s slot.
I think it’s the last one, but as she has acknowledged, I’m usually paranoid of SVS.
-Syn is outwardly suspicious of me/thunal, but isn’t taking a strong stance either way, which bothers me. Of all the people currently sharing suspicion of me, this one is the biggest question marks for me. I’m surprised he hasn’t made any strong pushes against either of us yet, and it’s weirding me out.
-You have now ‘paused’ on me, which I guess makes sense. SVS makes a compelling case. I still strongly townread you.
-Thunal hasn’t much thrown my suspicions back at me that gives the impression that she suspects me. In fact, there’s been an air of calmness in dealing with my slot. She’s been defensive of course, but only in defending her own progression and reads. I (think?) she still townreads me? Maybe?

No, I didn't townread you yesterday. I had that "wait, I think Scotty is a wolf" moment when I came in the thread d2 but I treat those feelings with some caution. In a hard gamestate I know I sometimes go "aha!" and pursue it, but then on review my read makes no sense. I wanted to give it some time and observation to see if the read really held.

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:44 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:16 am @Syn so even though I’m committed to this thunal tunnel, and I think I’m correct,

When you said earlier that you think there is (more or less) a difference check between us, are you still trying to make up your mind on which of us is bad, or are you recanting that?

Like do you think there is a world in which both of us are town?
I mean, of course there's a world where that could be true

I... feel it's unlikely. the way you two have gone at it does not feel like theatre, and enough holes are being poked into both your approaches to the game by separate people that there is something amiss. during D1 I interpreted this as an awkward team, but during D2 it has seemed more directly oppositional

could be good acting, I guess. but for now I'm content with the simpler read that one of you has the other one pegged

I could explain why I want to flip thunal first but the logic of it is terrible and will make me look silly, so instead I'll just look at you alluringly and hope it does the trick

Go for it, even if it's terrible and makes you look silly.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:32 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:27 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:19 am #snip
Thunal I have an easier time seeing as town, even if she isn't doing her tell.
What tell? Is this meta on her that you yourself have baked up?

She waves her hands in the air. It's a site to behold!

Spoiler: show
It's a video mafia thing.

I'm waving my hands in the air behind my computer.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:24 am
Spoiler: show
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm It could be marmot. I don't love their reactions/progressions. On the other hand they kinda seem organic.
It could be Marmot.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm
I did not love Epi's posturing during the shit fest either. Felt like he was bullying me, possibly from a position of TMI on Lime.
It could be me.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pmI do not know why Dizzy and SVS are being dismissed. They are both well within their scum ranges and I'd prefer if more people seriously scrutinized them rather than tossing their names to the side for no apparent reason. It would kind of be an elim out of fear but it kinda feels like the alternative is shrugyeeting the 1 poster.
It could be S~V~S or Dizzy.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pmThunal, Seanzie, and Scotty I would say are townreads atm with some paranoia. Thunal maybe slightly more likely wolf meta than the other two.
It could be these three people ("some paranoia").

I view this as nutella leaving her options as open as they can be. She lost Lime Coke in his revelation.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm
So my preferences are something like
One of Dizzy/Epi - I would like to see these flips the most. I kind of think they are as close as we have to a Macdougall patented difference check. If there isn't a wolf in Dizzy/Epi then I recuse myself from having any grasp on this whole damn game lol. Maybe there isn't much basis for that but vibes.
If nutella is a civilian, I don't understand the basis for pairing Dyslexicon and me together in this manner and then excusing herself from figuring anything out further when she is proven incorrect.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm And from posts in this catchup I'm leaning more to Epi now than Dizzy. Idk.
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SVS - I am paranoid but do not have a direct reason to want to flip first. If the above two are clean she's where I'd look next, mostly by POE, but at that point I get more paranoid of my paranoia tier too.
Rico - Coin fuckin flip idc. The back of my head is invoking the "did he just forget about the game and is that more likely town" but that's somewhat angley and not much worth weighing in.
Marmot - Meh?
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Everyone else I'd prefer not to die today probably.

.....Shit idk. Maybe I'm not as sure on falcon. Maybe the wolves are just all in my paranoia tier. I feel likely to 180 on just about anyone at any point. I hate this game.
(Full disclosure: I edited things out of this post that weren't relevant to the point I was making)

I go back and forth on nutella. She has oscillated between moments where I think her tone is genuine in solving and others (like LC claiming) that came off to me as frustrated wolf. But the frustration was real, nonetheless. That could definitely go for either alignment. But it doesn’t prove that she’s town.

I am not going to argue against a Nutella yeet today if that’s where it goes

If you're so tunneled on me, why wouldn't you argue against a Nutella elim? If I'm tunneled on someone to the degree that you appear to be tunneled on me, I want them eliminated and absolutely would argue against an elim on someone who I'm going back and forth on.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:14 am
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:49 am alright it's cool

epignosis seems like a fine wagon

i would also like thunal to be one
K

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Scotty/Epi partners? He pays some lip service to a me/Epi team but as soon as Marmot votes Epi, he immediately votes me. I very easily could see this as trying to save Epi.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:33 pm @Thunal33 how does w!Thunal play the game of mafia?

Plan stuff, make a lot of posts, and try hard to get townread. I have a good wolf game and the things I can point to here that are really towny for me are the things that look less good to the thread, like getting stuck without a scumread and my random paranoia of Dizzy.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm It could be marmot. I don't love their reactions/progressions. On the other hand they kinda seem organic.
It could be Marmot.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm
I did not love Epi's posturing during the shit fest either. Felt like he was bullying me, possibly from a position of TMI on Lime.
It could be me.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pmI do not know why Dizzy and SVS are being dismissed. They are both well within their scum ranges and I'd prefer if more people seriously scrutinized them rather than tossing their names to the side for no apparent reason. It would kind of be an elim out of fear but it kinda feels like the alternative is shrugyeeting the 1 poster.
It could be S~V~S or Dizzy.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pmThunal, Seanzie, and Scotty I would say are townreads atm with some paranoia. Thunal maybe slightly more likely wolf meta than the other two.
It could be these three people ("some paranoia").

I view this as nutella leaving her options as open as they can be. She lost Lime Coke in his revelation.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm
So my preferences are something like
One of Dizzy/Epi - I would like to see these flips the most. I kind of think they are as close as we have to a Macdougall patented difference check. If there isn't a wolf in Dizzy/Epi then I recuse myself from having any grasp on this whole damn game lol. Maybe there isn't much basis for that but vibes.
If nutella is a civilian, I don't understand the basis for pairing Dyslexicon and me together in this manner and then excusing herself from figuring anything out further when she is proven incorrect.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm And from posts in this catchup I'm leaning more to Epi now than Dizzy. Idk.
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SVS - I am paranoid but do not have a direct reason to want to flip first. If the above two are clean she's where I'd look next, mostly by POE, but at that point I get more paranoid of my paranoia tier too.
Rico - Coin fuckin flip idc. The back of my head is invoking the "did he just forget about the game and is that more likely town" but that's somewhat angley and not much worth weighing in.
Marmot - Meh?
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Everyone else I'd prefer not to die today probably.

.....Shit idk. Maybe I'm not as sure on falcon. Maybe the wolves are just all in my paranoia tier. I feel likely to 180 on just about anyone at any point. I hate this game.
(Full disclosure: I edited things out of this post that weren't relevant to the point I was making)

I sussed Nutella early for keeping her options open, but I think she's pretty much cleared herself since then. I believe these could be points of suspicion for town Epi, but it feels like you're just ignoring the things that make Nutella towny and it's not a good look. I haven't played with Nutella in awhile, but her tunneling someone only to have that reaction when he claims comes from the mindset of town Nutella.

I've played with Rico once when he was town and he had a slow start but got into the game later and put in a whole lot of effort. I think this level of inactivity generally isn't AI.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:39 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:28 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:26 pm Still on board with nutella, Syn, SVS town. Falcon to a lesser extent.

Thunal is a huge blind spot to me, mainly because we've had zero live interactions, so she's a priority reread for me today when I get the chance.

Epi and Rico have moved into my basement and I'm ready to start charging rent.

Scotty I'm still wary of for the LC read, but I think in the end he's probably just town.

We only have two mischops left, so we need a correct POE of four players at this point.
K
Well
I don’t think we should ever yeet Rico today. We need to find his partner first if he is bad, and he needs to participate. If he goes and he is town…well…we might as well be throwing the baby water out with the bathtub, as they say
How do you find Rico's partner?

If Rico is a wolf, I'd guess his partner shielded him. Rico could be subbed out or become more active so I think most wolves wouldn't choose to bus him d1.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:37 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:32 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:31 pm I'm liking Marmot's d2 so far especially that he's trying to solve Rico.

I don't think wolf Syn would just say me/Scotty was a difference check if it was a difference check and Scotty was wolf.
I don't think the IF here can be known or confirmed by v!Syn?
This post feels either like TMI or a misstatement.

If Thunal doesn't know Syn's alignment, she would not propose a scenario for Syn that was predicated on the knowledge of another player's alignment, specifically Scotty being wolf.

From Thunal's POV, Syn would not know that Scotty is a wolf, but this statement is made suggesting Syn might do a thing knowing that Scotty was a wolf.

Am I missing something here?

I was saying that IF Syn was a wolf and Scotty was also a wolf, he probably wouldn't correctly say me/Scotty was a difference check.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:31 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:24 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:21 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:32 am Dizzy and Thunal are probably town btw don't yeet them.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:39 am I have my limited posts I'll use them sparingly.

Townread:
Dizzy
Syn
Thunal
SVS

My main townreads, I won't be targetting them at all.

I'll try to narrow down more before deadline.
@Thunal33 this was the moment
Okay. But Dizzy was above me in his readslist and mentioned in the first post.
I think we’re just talking around each other

-I already had inherent bias in tunneling you and thought LC making a straight up townread shield of you set off an alarm
-I thought dizzy would be too obvious in listing his mark. He listed his townclear in there somewhere, so all of this talk about whether I did or didn’t scumread either of you is irrelevant because I would be stupid to vote there in case I did hit the PR.

How much do you know LC?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:30 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:00 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 8:52 pm Thunal why did you think my flip on Scotty was a good look?
I think it's towny to make that sort of very quick turnaround. Often wolves want to keep a progression that makes sense to the thread and keep pushes open.
This feels very consistent with your defense against Scotty right now, in that you're making a similar argument for how I'm town and for how you're town. Namely that wolves like progressions and that you're saying you and I didn't do that.

It feels weird. I don't know if I can put my finger on why, it might be that I'm worried you're arguing for v!me in order to support an argument for v!Thunal (especially after I flip town), which itself is pretty wolfy.

It's just something I think is generally town indicative for most people.

I'm liking Marmot's d2 so far especially that he's trying to solve Rico.

I don't think wolf Syn would just say me/Scotty was a difference check if it was a difference check and Scotty was wolf.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:21 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:32 am Dizzy and Thunal are probably town btw don't yeet them.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:39 am I have my limited posts I'll use them sparingly.

Townread:
Dizzy
Syn
Thunal
SVS

My main townreads, I won't be targetting them at all.

I'll try to narrow down more before deadline.
@Thunal33 this was the moment

Okay. But Dizzy was above me in his readslist and mentioned in the first post.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:17 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 8:47 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:19 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:37 pm I'll focus on clearing as many people as I can and coming to a consensus vote pool.
How’s that ‘clearing’ coming?
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:41 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:55 pm i am back to thunal/scotty

by the lord ruler the game is solved
Why did you suspect Scotty here?
One of thunal’s random questions. Syn answered but Thunal didn’t seem to do anything with his answer.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:45 pm I'm not feeling Epi mafia anymore. I caught him from spec in that game where he was wolf with Delta and he felt different there. Here it feels like he's throwing out takes while there it felt like he had a clear agenda.
Hmmmm
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Yo, check this progression:
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:06 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:27 am Hmmmm

Yeah never mind it isn't scotty

Why don't you think I believe my reads scotty?
Slightly good look for Marmot imo.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:12 pm I don't have a scumread and it's frustrating. I feel like it would be a waste to just chop the 1 poster today. I definitely don't want to chop in Scotty, nutella, Syn, Seanzie, or SVS.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:38 pm In case there's any contention, I'd rather Seanzie die than Marmot. Let's hope this is right.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
That’s the progression of someone that casts a wide net and doesn’t actually care who goes.
Marmot slightly good look > will not vote 5 names including Seanzie > voting Seanzie over marmot.

I think she forgot who she actually suspected.
I was doing a lot of ISO reading near EoD to find a vote, and on reread I wasn't as confident in Seanzie being town as I was before, but Marmot's more recent posts looked good. I had limited posts and limited time so I couldn't respond to every question or detail my whole progression. I wanted to be right over showing my work in the thread.

Also, "forgot who I actually suspected?" I didn't, but I also wouldn't as a wolf. It's actually towny for me since I make more 180s and have random thoughts about my reads while as a wolf I care more about having a progression that looks good.
Would you say you are polarized enough that you would never forget to explain a progression or even forget that you had a specific suspicion?

No, but I think I do it more often as town than as wolf.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:55 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:37 pm I'll focus on clearing as many people as I can and coming to a consensus vote pool.
Laughable that you could clear anyone

If LC wasn’t shielding you I would have voted you.

I still think you’re bad.

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Marmot could be good. Their response is not terrible, but they’re also just a scumlean to me atm. I don’t regret voting for them.

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Dizzy is an enigma. Syn calling dizzy a top town read is laughable. Dizzy is rather despondent. Epi called him mean, which equates to, as dizzy describes, bluntness. But I see the opposite. He’s a bit aloof and isn’t ruffling any feathers. Blendy, not pushing the envelope. I support a dizzy vote if the rest of y’all with votes remaining choose to go there

You didn't vote me because LC was shielding me, but you had no problem voting Dizzy who LC was also shielding in the same post. If you just wanted LC's strong townreads to be off limits that makes sense, but that's not what you wanted. I feel like if there are two people you think could be the bloodsealer, if you were town you probably wouldn't think it was the one you thought was a wolf all day.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:00 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 8:34 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:54 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:26 pm just find it interesting you wanted to string up both shielded people if you could have managed to convince people to grant you their votes

also don't believe you didn't know Dizzy was being shielded lol c'mon
I mean it didn’t really matter when it comes to my vote tbh, since I had already voted marmot at that point.

LC shielding Thunal was so left field that it really made me think thunal was the bloodsealer.

Now without LC to shield her I’m…I guess…even more tunneled on her being bad
This isn't a good look for you because I don't really believe that you believed I was the bloodsealer. I thought it was Dizzy and realized it close to EoD, but after I looked through LC's ISO I thought it was clear. He had Dizzy as his top townread for "reasons" when he tried to explain it.

It's easier for a wolf to think "oh crap, maybe I'm pushing a power role" and be paranoid about that than it is for a townie, since a wolf already knows their push is town. If you're town, you believed I was a wolf but still backed off because LC was townreading me even though he was townreading Dizzy twice as hard for no reason? From the mindset of a townie who confidently believes I'm a wolf, thinking "wait, maybe she's a power role" would not be the first thing that comes to mind.
Au contrair monfrau

LC made no real lead up to town read too, and then lumped you into the ‘donotkill’ list, hence me thinking he did so for a reason. I didn’t see him townreading dizzy twice as hard as you say, probably because I was a bit tunneled on you.

I think you’re purposefully finding kernels in crackers to try and discredit the witness.

Which is me. I’m the witness

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:12 pm Dizzy - Reasons

Syn - Appears to be loose and is giving off reads in a way that I feel is towny.

Thunal - Liked how she's gotten reads, posts liked #91 because of the description of the read given to Syn that I wasn't able to put into words myself.

Nutella - Is getting reads, specifically scumreads, in a way that I'm used to seeing her get where it basically snowballs.

Scotty - Kind of already explained it.

Marmot - Responses to suspicion all around him feel fine.

@Dyslexicon

This is what I'm talking about. LC always had Dizzy at the top of his townreads, and when asked to explain gave "reasons".

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:19 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:43 pm

You only have 60 posts. Read the rules.
What/who even was this a response to?

Based on derpvibes, I wanna give Epi a pass. Based on variablevibes, Epi is definitely capable of doing this as mafia.
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Falcon’s entrance seems fine enough. The two lowest posters just outright voting without apparently reading the rules is mighty…coincidental tho.

I will drop both into my teetering scumlean but not in my scumreads. I think they both share equity of being partners with each other for this shtick if it’s really a shtick. It might just be derp. Will avoid D1.
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I like Sean’s solving after he answered my question. I feel better on him atm. His rainbow, while not exactly sharing the same scumreads, is close with the townreads. Leantown
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SVS had a tone in her recent posts that are playful and also inquisitive that I associate with town SVS. There are other things that I feel like I would have seen that would spell bad SVS that I have not seen, so svs is upper Townlean
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nutella- I have liked her vibes but the way she is reacting to certain reads comes off as faux indignation at times. She’s a tough nut to crack but I’m actually putting her into scumlean atm.
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Thunal continues to exhibit fringe behavior. When I say fringe, it’s just in the middle. She hasn’t taken many strong stances from my observation, and I feel has overexplained her feelings in some cases.
I also acknowledge that she is very calmly continuing to post thoughts and not go into defensive mode, which is probably??? something a town would be doing in this case.
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:22 pm I'm not a big fan of the vote split rn. We can't have everyone vanity voting or it'll be easy for mafia to control the elim.
this quote oozes ‘come on fellow town, let’s pull it together!’ While slapping everyone’s butt as we go into the cricket pitch or what have you

Did you think I was a power role when you made this post?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 8:52 pm Thunal why did you think my flip on Scotty was a good look?

I think it's towny to make that sort of very quick turnaround. Often wolves want to keep a progression that makes sense to the thread and keep pushes open.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 8:50 pm I don't recall my reads between sessions of posting in the thread either. Some yes, but I often have to ISO myself to see what I previously thought (which is one of the reason I like to show my work in the thread)

I was thinking the same thing earlier when Scotty mentioned that, but I don't think it's AI.

For me I changed quite a bit in my head, even more so than in the thread. I had tinfoil on you, Scotty, Nutella, and Seanzie but with everyone but Seanzie I put it away because I thought you three looked good on reread.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:19 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:37 pm I'll focus on clearing as many people as I can and coming to a consensus vote pool.
How’s that ‘clearing’ coming?
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:41 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:55 pm i am back to thunal/scotty

by the lord ruler the game is solved
Why did you suspect Scotty here?
One of thunal’s random questions. Syn answered but Thunal didn’t seem to do anything with his answer.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:45 pm I'm not feeling Epi mafia anymore. I caught him from spec in that game where he was wolf with Delta and he felt different there. Here it feels like he's throwing out takes while there it felt like he had a clear agenda.
Hmmmm
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Yo, check this progression:
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:06 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:27 am Hmmmm

Yeah never mind it isn't scotty

Why don't you think I believe my reads scotty?
Slightly good look for Marmot imo.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:12 pm I don't have a scumread and it's frustrating. I feel like it would be a waste to just chop the 1 poster today. I definitely don't want to chop in Scotty, nutella, Syn, Seanzie, or SVS.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:38 pm In case there's any contention, I'd rather Seanzie die than Marmot. Let's hope this is right.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
That’s the progression of someone that casts a wide net and doesn’t actually care who goes.
Marmot slightly good look > will not vote 5 names including Seanzie > voting Seanzie over marmot.

I think she forgot who she actually suspected.

I was doing a lot of ISO reading near EoD to find a vote, and on reread I wasn't as confident in Seanzie being town as I was before, but Marmot's more recent posts looked good. I had limited posts and limited time so I couldn't respond to every question or detail my whole progression. I wanted to be right over showing my work in the thread.

Also, "forgot who I actually suspected?" I didn't, but I also wouldn't as a wolf. It's actually towny for me since I make more 180s and have random thoughts about my reads while as a wolf I care more about having a progression that looks good.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:54 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:26 pm just find it interesting you wanted to string up both shielded people if you could have managed to convince people to grant you their votes

also don't believe you didn't know Dizzy was being shielded lol c'mon
I mean it didn’t really matter when it comes to my vote tbh, since I had already voted marmot at that point.

LC shielding Thunal was so left field that it really made me think thunal was the bloodsealer.

Now without LC to shield her I’m…I guess…even more tunneled on her being bad

This isn't a good look for you because I don't really believe that you believed I was the bloodsealer. I thought it was Dizzy and realized it close to EoD, but after I looked through LC's ISO I thought it was clear. He had Dizzy as his top townread for "reasons" when he tried to explain it.

It's easier for a wolf to think "oh crap, maybe I'm pushing a power role" and be paranoid about that than it is for a townie, since a wolf already knows their push is town. If you're town, you believed I was a wolf but still backed off because LC was townreading me even though he was townreading Dizzy twice as hard for no reason? From the mindset of a townie who confidently believes I'm a wolf, thinking "wait, maybe she's a power role" would not be the first thing that comes to mind.

In case there's any contention, I'd rather Seanzie die than Marmot. Let's hope this is right.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

In fact, it might be -EV if we did vote Rico at this point. If mafia are in the non-voters, dueling wagons could give them control of the elim.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:18 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:08 pm [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Spicy vote.

Syn and LC are both voting him and two of my stronger townreads, yes I'm voting another townread. This is a weird game and I'm not confident in many vote options so I'm going here.

I'm stuck in urgent care getting a minor finger injury looked at so can't stick around or wait to vote.

Glgl

(Also need to make sure LC doesn't accidentally die)
Oh your poor finger

Very weird game, I’m voting with my top wolf read lol

I need to clear up my day and commute day will be over when I get home.

@Thunal33 Marmot voted Sean. I would rather follow LC than vote a low poster.

I'm fine with you voting Sean. I think he's less likely town than most of the list and I don't think Rico will actually go over.

Town:
LC
Nutella
Dyslexicon
Scotty

Townlean:
SVS
Syn
Marmot

PoE:
Seanzie
Epi
Falcon
Rico

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:05 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:32 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:22 pm @S~V~S @Dyslexicon @Thunal33

My second to last post.

What are you thinking off the top of your head?
Off the top of my head I'm thinking we should chop Rico since I don't scumread anyone else so Rico has a significantly higher chance than random of being mafia, but I'm going to continue checking for misclears and if I get a scumread elsewhere I'd rather pursue that. So far I feel pretty confident Scotty and Nutella are town on reread.

What???

I have no idea how you could rationally accept this as an actual fact

I haven't voted and I'm still looking, but here's my reasoning:
-I want to vote mafia
-if I have above random reads and have reasons to not vote everyone else, it's more likely than random that the guy who hasn't done anything is mafia.

It also pings me that nobody is really willing to vote Rico except Seanzie. If Rico is mafia, his teammate would probably try to shield him.

I did like that he cast sus on a lot of different people and tried to get the game going.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:47 pm @Thunal33 @Dyslexicon

Opinions on Sean and Syns read on him?

I'm not as confident as I would like to be on Seanzie especially on reread. In the last two games I played with him I felt confident he was town early on. Here I don't see anything that really pinged me and I felt fine about his posts in real time, but I also haven't seen anything that makes me go "this is obviously town Seanzie".

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:53 pm I really think we just do Rico here. I know I know a 1-poster blah blah blah. Whatever. IMO it is the best move right now.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:57 pm I would do Dizzy or Rico.

What changed between these two posts?

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:55 pm i am back to thunal/scotty

by the lord ruler the game is solved

Why did you suspect Scotty here?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:22 pm @S~V~S @Dyslexicon @Thunal33

My second to last post.

What are you thinking off the top of your head?

Off the top of my head I'm thinking we should chop Rico since I don't scumread anyone else so Rico has a significantly higher chance than random of being mafia, but I'm going to continue checking for misclears and if I get a scumread elsewhere I'd rather pursue that. So far I feel pretty confident Scotty and Nutella are town on reread.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:23 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:03 pm After thinking it over, I'm willing to trust LC's read on Dizzy. There could be a deepwolf, but I don't think Dizzy is that deepwolf. I'm considering just going Rico at this point.

I do not like this post, and I'm SR you now because of it

There's a reason I'm trusting LC's read and I really don't think we should chop Dizzy.

After thinking it over, I'm willing to trust LC's read on Dizzy. There could be a deepwolf, but I don't think Dizzy is that deepwolf. I'm considering just going Rico at this point.

I'll focus on clearing as many people as I can and coming to a consensus vote pool.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:28 pm Fuck. I need to go. Will follow on phone as best as I can.

Lime is town.
I do think Nut's reaction to that whole thing is more towny than not.
I think SVS is town for a few reasons, especially I buy her thoughts on me.
I'm on Marmot town now. The reaction to Scotty voting them felt natural. And also the general confusion about the game state and where he's at.
Falcon's takes are bad imo, not sure if wolfy. I don't know how to read Falcon tbh, but I don't really feel it.
Epig's only real take is that I'm wolf because I'm not how he's used to. I guess it makes sense that I'm not how he's used to, but why that is wolf, I don't get. Neutral on Epig otherwise.
Rico hasn't done anything
Scotty ...doesn't look wolfy to me.
Sean ...probably more in town meta, but maybe I'm giving him too little respect.
Thunal ...I actually think the musings and not many hard stances is more town for Thunal
Syn ...is reasonable, but I don't know if that is enough to be town.

This is why I stopped playing mafia tbh

I'd probably vote Rico or someone make a good case and convince me of someone.

How confident were you that Marmot was mafia earlier? Because if you were as confident as you stated I'm wondering if the reasons you gave were enough for town you to turn around on that read.

I'm paranoid Dizzy might be fooling me because it's hard to find a scumread that I have even reasonable confidence on.

I feel like Falcon questioning LC's claim is somewhat towny? Like I've seen him throw out really oddball reads as town like calling Splints/Zenon teamed in Solar System after their big argument.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:11 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:29 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:39 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:35 pm @Lime Coke is replacing @Kate effective immediately.
If voting for Lime Coke, please use Kate's option within the Poll. A tagged locking vote for Lime Coke will work going forward. Please don’t discuss or speculate about substitutions. Thank you!

Ah, I see. Well, since now I know that the vote is locked, I'll hold off voting the poll...unless it's locked by virtue of thread voting?

Lemme know

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:02 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:25 pm Quick guide to brad
Town Brad has cringe reads, but not nonsensical reads

Agreed. That's a trait of Maf LC
I'm a bit paranoid that Falcon scumreads LC here but doesn't want his vote to be locked on him. When I've seen Falcon he doesn't change his vote often and usually keeps his scumreads for awhile, so I think t!Falcon might not mind his vote being locked.

I change my vote allllllllll the time

Yeah, I looked and you did change your vote a lot. Not sure why I had that impression in my head.

I don't have a scumread and it's frustrating. I feel like it would be a waste to just chop the 1 poster today. I definitely don't want to chop in Scotty, nutella, Syn, Seanzie, or SVS.

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