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- Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:07 pm
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this is probably too tinfoil to actually mean anything but the good villagery wallpost Tangy wrote is pretty close to what I would expect wolf!Vulgard to tell wolf!Tangy to do if she asked him in scumchat how to get me to stop pushing her
- Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:56 pm
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when your top townread that you've never misread before starts making posts that look like lolcatting with words
- Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:51 pm
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Also Marl's posts on this page blatantly don't come from a perspective of TMI regardless of Vul's alignment
(obviously 'pretending to not know a flip in advance' is fakeable but the specific way he's doing it would be very hard to fake)
(obviously 'pretending to not know a flip in advance' is fakeable but the specific way he's doing it would be very hard to fake)
- Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:49 pm
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When is EoD
I vaguely remember it being different than normal but I don't remember how different and I don't know how to see when a poll closes
I vaguely remember it being different than normal but I don't remember how different and I don't know how to see when a poll closes
- Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:36 pm
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hi Vul
what's up
what's up
- Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:34 pm
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(uh, disclaimer, if you haven't seen the pasta, that's a joke post)
- Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:33 pm
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- Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:57 pm
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what's your reasondyachei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:56 pmi dont think so either but for a potentially bad reasonArete wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:41 pmwell I was mostly looking through their Isos for mentions of Vul/Visor and vice versa so there might be something clearing between Syn/Dizzy or Sun/Dya that I missed but I don't particularly have a reason to think that either of the two teams you mentioned can't work associatively
I don't think that a Vul/Dizzy permutation is plausible
- Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:41 pm
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well I was mostly looking through their Isos for mentions of Vul/Visor and vice versa so there might be something clearing between Syn/Dizzy or Sun/Dya that I missed but I don't particularly have a reason to think that either of the two teams you mentioned can't work associatively
I don't think that a Vul/Dizzy permutation is plausible
- Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:18 pm
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- Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:11 am
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katze in what wayVulgard wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:09 amI'm katzeArete wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:38 amuhVulgard wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:36 ammeowArete wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:33 amsince I feel like no one actually reads my wallposts I'm just going to highlight this post as super important if Vul flips wolf (which, to be clear, I still don't think he will! just. acknowledging the possibility.)Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:38 am c4, dya and KZA are in the "no impressions made" club and I would like them to play the game. I do not townread c4 for a carefully voiced scumread (?) on SPF. That's in any average wolf's wolfrange and I think SPF is too quick to clear them regardless of alignment.
dya and KZA just haven't talked about the game much yet. Dya got offended based on a single accusation if I read that correctly, and KZA 5-posted and dipped.
like I feel like I've seen a lot of ambient 'the team is probably just Vul/c4/Dya' floating around and ... no, that's not a thing.
what does this post mean
- Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:52 am
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@VulgardArete wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:38 amuhVulgard wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:36 ammeowArete wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:33 amsince I feel like no one actually reads my wallposts I'm just going to highlight this post as super important if Vul flips wolf (which, to be clear, I still don't think he will! just. acknowledging the possibility.)Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:38 am c4, dya and KZA are in the "no impressions made" club and I would like them to play the game. I do not townread c4 for a carefully voiced scumread (?) on SPF. That's in any average wolf's wolfrange and I think SPF is too quick to clear them regardless of alignment.
dya and KZA just haven't talked about the game much yet. Dya got offended based on a single accusation if I read that correctly, and KZA 5-posted and dipped.
like I feel like I've seen a lot of ambient 'the team is probably just Vul/c4/Dya' floating around and ... no, that's not a thing.
what does this post mean
- Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:38 am
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uhVulgard wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:36 ammeowArete wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:33 amsince I feel like no one actually reads my wallposts I'm just going to highlight this post as super important if Vul flips wolf (which, to be clear, I still don't think he will! just. acknowledging the possibility.)Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:38 am c4, dya and KZA are in the "no impressions made" club and I would like them to play the game. I do not townread c4 for a carefully voiced scumread (?) on SPF. That's in any average wolf's wolfrange and I think SPF is too quick to clear them regardless of alignment.
dya and KZA just haven't talked about the game much yet. Dya got offended based on a single accusation if I read that correctly, and KZA 5-posted and dipped.
like I feel like I've seen a lot of ambient 'the team is probably just Vul/c4/Dya' floating around and ... no, that's not a thing.
what does this post mean
- Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:35 am
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ok I changed my mind again
Vul is just a villager
the logical explanation for why he stopped giving reads as a wolf is that he didn't want to spew anything more, even to the extent that anti-spew can still spew things
but if that's what he was doing then he has no reason to come back and give a legitimate answer to my question
you're all going to tell me this is dumb and I don't care
- Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:33 am
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since I feel like no one actually reads my wallposts I'm just going to highlight this post as super important if Vul flips wolf (which, to be clear, I still don't think he will! just. acknowledging the possibility.)Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:38 am c4, dya and KZA are in the "no impressions made" club and I would like them to play the game. I do not townread c4 for a carefully voiced scumread (?) on SPF. That's in any average wolf's wolfrange and I think SPF is too quick to clear them regardless of alignment.
dya and KZA just haven't talked about the game much yet. Dya got offended based on a single accusation if I read that correctly, and KZA 5-posted and dipped.
like I feel like I've seen a lot of ambient 'the team is probably just Vul/c4/Dya' floating around and ... no, that's not a thing.
- Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:23 am
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293 bronana
216 c4e5g3d5
328 dyachei
279 Dyslexicon
274 Marluxion
364 nutella
293 outed wolf
289 staypositivefriend
214 Tangrowth / Chloe / Syn
268 Vulgard
^non mech-clear villagers^
if Vulgard really is redchecked:
(sidenote, while I was doing this I kept running into Vulposts from earlier days that are super villagery)
Outed Wolf is never a wolf with Vulgard
This post ~never comes from a partner in my opinion, there's no need to try to rub your partner's face in how they were WRONG and BAD and MISREAD SOMEONE IN A GAME OF MAFIA when you in fact have TMI that they they didn't do that. It's relevant to me that he wasn't (in this post) trying to shade him off of it, which is what I would expect from distancing, but rather to make fun of him, which doesn't make sense from the PoV of a wolf talking about another wolf.
Marl is never a wolf with Vulgard
The entire sequence that happened near the beginning of the day where Marl thought Vul was trying to get him to fake jailkeeper never happens if Marl/Vulgard are W/W in my opinion, I think Marl really believed that Vul was JK and trying to soft to him. This is only reinforced by the fact that Vul claims he didn't intend to claim jailkeeper in the first place.
Dizzy is probably just a villager
I don't think wolves would really have thought they needed to distance from wolf Vulgard, particularly when they had an Arete right there to sponge + blame if he ever flipped. Wolves do sometimes do ?? things for wolf reasons but I think that regardless this particular sort of nitpick would be really weird to come from a partner, like, it's not a "normal" read it's a detailed nitpick of a quirk of language, which is not really the first thing most people would think of if they wanted to theatre.
Bronana is probably a villager
If you start from the PoV where Vulgard is a wolf and read the specific way he hedges on Bronana, and evaluate it both from the perspective where he's a wolf hedging on a wolf so that he doesn't have to push him super hard vs. the perspective where he doesn't want to look bad if Bronana flips V, I think it makes much more sense of the latter. The point is to push Bronana, the hedge is to hedge against being wrong (this is actually true regardless of his alignment, just, in one case he's a lot more confident in being wrong)
c4 is ....... probably >rand V. There are definitely some posts later on in his ISO, but at the beginning of his ISO he spends a substantial amount of time trying to discredit townreads on him, but not in a way that seemed remotely oriented towards getting cred. Not sure if I would lock it in but personally I wouldn't go there tomorrow if Vul flips wolf today.
other than that I didn't see anything that made me super strongly feel that him + another player were never W/W
If Outed Wolf is Mafia:
Worth noting that in that world he's very likely to be the wolf roleblocker which makes him more likely to bus than other wolves would be.
Vulgard is never a wolf
see above section on why Outed Wolf is never a wolf with Vulgard
Bronana is, like, probably not a wolf?
c4/Dya is probably not the world because of how he's been trying to push them as specifically W/W bussing each other
Marl is probably a villager this, I think he would have some amount of difficulty faking the jailkeeper-hypocover-with-c4-target-for-Vul if he had TMI that Vul wasn't the jailkeeper on account of knowing that blocking c4 wouldn't have stopped the factional kill. (technically this doesn't rule out some of the more ??? lolmech worlds)
other than that I couldn't find anything that strongly made me feel not W/W
worth noting
Marl and Bronana are probably-not-wolves with both Vul and Outed Wolf
if there's some other weird mech stuff
this section was originally going to be trying to figure out what sort of wolf team would make that kind of mech mistake but apparently the roleblocker was only two-shot so it actually makes sense as not a mistake. lolarete.
216 c4e5g3d5
328 dyachei
279 Dyslexicon
274 Marluxion
364 nutella
293 outed wolf
289 staypositivefriend
214 Tangrowth / Chloe / Syn
268 Vulgard
^non mech-clear villagers^
if Vulgard really is redchecked:
(sidenote, while I was doing this I kept running into Vulposts from earlier days that are super villagery)
Outed Wolf is never a wolf with Vulgard
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Marl is never a wolf with Vulgard
The entire sequence that happened near the beginning of the day where Marl thought Vul was trying to get him to fake jailkeeper never happens if Marl/Vulgard are W/W in my opinion, I think Marl really believed that Vul was JK and trying to soft to him. This is only reinforced by the fact that Vul claims he didn't intend to claim jailkeeper in the first place.
Dizzy is probably just a villager
Spoiler: show
Bronana is probably a villager
Spoiler: show
c4 is ....... probably >rand V. There are definitely some posts later on in his ISO, but at the beginning of his ISO he spends a substantial amount of time trying to discredit townreads on him, but not in a way that seemed remotely oriented towards getting cred. Not sure if I would lock it in but personally I wouldn't go there tomorrow if Vul flips wolf today.
also this doesn't say anything individually about c4 or Dya's alignment but this is like never three wolves if Vulgard is a wolfVulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:38 am c4, dya and KZA are in the "no impressions made" club and I would like them to play the game. I do not townread c4 for a carefully voiced scumread (?) on SPF. That's in any average wolf's wolfrange and I think SPF is too quick to clear them regardless of alignment.
dya and KZA just haven't talked about the game much yet. Dya got offended based on a single accusation if I read that correctly, and KZA 5-posted and dipped.
other than that I didn't see anything that made me super strongly feel that him + another player were never W/W
If Outed Wolf is Mafia:
Worth noting that in that world he's very likely to be the wolf roleblocker which makes him more likely to bus than other wolves would be.
Vulgard is never a wolf
see above section on why Outed Wolf is never a wolf with Vulgard
Bronana is, like, probably not a wolf?
this probably looks like a weak reason but this deflection (if it comes from a wolf in the first place) is more wolf-deflecting-onto-a-villager than wolf-deflecting-onto-a-wolfouted wolf wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 8:54 am calling me going through the motions is interesting, its a charge id level against people who are not me this game lol
(hell i think bronana would be a more accurate target for that than me)
c4/Dya is probably not the world because of how he's been trying to push them as specifically W/W bussing each other
Marl is probably a villager this, I think he would have some amount of difficulty faking the jailkeeper-hypocover-with-c4-target-for-Vul if he had TMI that Vul wasn't the jailkeeper on account of knowing that blocking c4 wouldn't have stopped the factional kill. (technically this doesn't rule out some of the more ??? lolmech worlds)
other than that I couldn't find anything that strongly made me feel not W/W
worth noting
Marl and Bronana are probably-not-wolves with both Vul and Outed Wolf
if there's some other weird mech stuff
this section was originally going to be trying to figure out what sort of wolf team would make that kind of mech mistake but apparently the roleblocker was only two-shot so it actually makes sense as not a mistake. lolarete.
- Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:15 am
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@Vulgard
if you get voted out today and are a villager are there any non-mechanical reads (in either direction) that you strongly want pushed
if you get voted out today and are a villager are there any non-mechanical reads (in either direction) that you strongly want pushed
- Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:00 am
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oh you have another post that's like
an actual post
okay
an actual post
okay
- Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:59 am
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...should I keep writing the associative-reads-if-Outed Wolf-is-the-wolf-roleblocker mech world half of the post I'm working on
or are you just lolcatting with words
I really really don't want you to be a wolf!!!!!
- Mon May 31, 2021 10:40 pm
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I think it indicates that regardless of Syn's alignment we disagree on what sort of things are wolfy
I don't actually think it's a super AI disagreement, most wolves make fake reads for real reasons (like they'll say someone is doing something that they actually believe it's generally wolfy/villagery)
and I think I understand your point better about my thoughts being really weird, at the time I was confused about that
- Mon May 31, 2021 10:38 pm
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me: 'Dya is posting cat pics. are they lolcatting?'
me: 'ok they said they weren't lolcatting but they also kept it up, I think they're lolcatting and just messing with me'
me: 'sweet, free wolf, I'm going to vote them'
me: 'why are they lolcatting though??? it doesn't make sense???? like a villager is already dying, if they want to lolcat they might as well do it tomorrow'
me: 'oh no. if Vul is scum then it actually makes sense. aa.'
- Mon May 31, 2021 8:38 pm
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the benefit to a Dya/Vul/X wolfteam of having Dya openwolf here is that if Dya gets voted out Vul would 100 percent be able to kill Sunbae, since the jailkeeper can't target consecutively.
but that requires that Vul be a wolf and I don't want to believe that.
but that requires that Vul be a wolf and I don't want to believe that.
- Mon May 31, 2021 8:21 pm
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- Mon May 31, 2021 8:19 pm
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I was trying to figure out earlier if they were posting cat pictures as a brief break or something or if they were actually just a given up wolf but the fact that they've kept doing it makes me think the latter
- Mon May 31, 2021 8:17 pm
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okay
do you have, like, new reads, or anything else that might indicate that you are in fact a villager, and not a wolf who is giving up
who do you want to kill today
- Mon May 31, 2021 8:14 pm
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Dya choosing now to lolcat makes me vaguely scared that they're trying to save wolf!Vulgard but I really really don't want to believe that's true
- Mon May 31, 2021 7:58 pm
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(someone please tell me if I'm misreading this and Dya secretly loves posting cat pictures as town but this feels like it has a lot of Arete-lolcatting-in-FoL-28 energy)
I guess Vul is the only one who actually knows what that means but
yeah
I guess Vul is the only one who actually knows what that means but
yeah
- Mon May 31, 2021 7:53 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 3]
[VOTE:
Dyachei] aubergine
- Mon May 31, 2021 7:52 pm
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- Mon May 31, 2021 7:48 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [pre-game]
I think what that's saying is that if a tracker targets a player who gets roleblocked, the player who gets roleblocked will seem to visit no one even if they tried to perform a night actionbronana wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:45 pmisn't that the result amy claimed on dizzy - didn't target anyone? we sure amy wasn't roleblocked?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 7:29 pm- Role blocked/jailed players are not counted as having targeted anyone. A tracker who targets a role blocked player who attempted to perform an action will receive a result indicating that their target targeted nobody.
e.g. if Hally is the vig and Amy is the tracker and JJJ is the roleblocker, and JJJ roleblocks Hally while Hally shoots KZA, then Hally would appear to visit no one
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- Mon May 31, 2021 7:35 pm
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Re: PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 1]
nod
(uh for reference if you aren't getting info from scumchat, the reason Vul is the top wagon is that Sunbae, the jailkeeper, says that she jailkept him with no nightkills -- Amy had claimed Tracker on D2 and wasn't roleblocked, which is plausibly indicative that wolves were yoloing a kill attempt on her)
the reason I ask is that this is literally the only mention of or interaction with Vul in his Iso and while it's definitely not out of the range of W/W your read felt weirdly confident given the evidence it was theoretically based off of, which made me think you might be getting information from scumchatKZA wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:30 pmVulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:38 am c4, dya and KZA are in the "no impressions made" club and I would like them to play the game. I do not townread c4 for a carefully voiced scumread (?) on SPF. That's in any average wolf's wolfrange and I think SPF is too quick to clear them regardless of alignment.
dya and KZA just haven't talked about the game much yet. Dya got offended based on a single accusation if I read that correctly, and KZA 5-posted and dipped.sorry to bring up old stuff, I've been working a lot and not really postingVulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:12 am I could say similar things about KZA, for that matter. Except KZA's ISO is even worse. Not only does it have fewer posts, but its only attempt at engagement is a thin townread on SPF. Also, bows out of reading Gavial instead of even trying. Terrible look so far. The point about "looking out of touch with the thread" also applies here. Dizzy just above me is open about the fact they won't engage with the game (not sure how to read that at the moment). KZA here is low-efforting and being quiet about it.
Stupid read, but KZA and Dizzy aren't W/W based on that. I doubt they would both do this as wolves, and in such a different manner, too. If they wanted to meme and become the slankwolf collective, they'd either both do it like Dizzy or both like KZA. I understand if people consider this read stupid, though.
wanna walk me through this 0-100? I don't really see how you made this progression when I had 0 posts between those 2
(uh for reference if you aren't getting info from scumchat, the reason Vul is the top wagon is that Sunbae, the jailkeeper, says that she jailkept him with no nightkills -- Amy had claimed Tracker on D2 and wasn't roleblocked, which is plausibly indicative that wolves were yoloing a kill attempt on her)
- Mon May 31, 2021 7:19 pm
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when you say this do you mean 'KZA's ISO, and also other reasons which you chose not to mention and are summarizing as "kza's enormous ISO",' or do you mean 'actually literally just KZA's ISO'
- Mon May 31, 2021 5:56 pm
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I think if I read Outed Wolf's posts from the specific perspective where he's the wolf roleblocker who got jailkept trying to block Amy N1, and whose team tried to kill Vul N2, they're more or less exactly what I would expect to see in that world (particularly if Marl is also a villager)
like essentially he goes 'yeah, Vul is just a wolf here, also his posts today are wolfy and Arete defending him is wolfy. we should kill him. technically he could be a villager though? but he's not a villager. also there's no way a wolf would have made the sort of mechanically bad play that would have been necessary for Vul to be a villager here.'
and then when the Marl thing comes up he's like 'yeah actually Marl or Vul definitely has a wolf. for sure. the alternative where wolves are mechanically incompetent is pretty ridiculous.'
and then when the specific he-is-roleblocker-who-targeted-Amy-N1 world comes up he's like 'wait no if Vul is a villager then maybe the wolves are just mechanically incompetent. you shouldn't kill me just because he flipped villa.'
which like
'wolves could be mechanically incompetent and you shouldn't kill me just because Vul flipped town' is a perspective that makes sense for a villager to have
but he was much less willing to believe the 'wolves did something mechanically incompetent' theory when it was two other players (Marl + Vul) who people were suggesting might be domed together than when it was him and Vulgard -- if it's a plausible theory then it should be a plausible theory no matter who the non-Vul player is
and despite expressing the belief that even independent of mechanics, considering specifically Vul's posts today Vul is likely to flip scum, he seems legitimately worried about the possibility of him flipping town, which feels weird with his PoV
also I think there's very likely to be a wolf in Vul/Outed Wolf based on the fact that Sunbae is the only one actually pushing for a world where they have to be V/W, whereas if they were V/V it would make sense for wolves to want to encourage that dichotomy (which no one has been doing)
[VOTE: Outed Wolf] aubergine
Spoiler: show
and then when the Marl thing comes up he's like 'yeah actually Marl or Vul definitely has a wolf. for sure. the alternative where wolves are mechanically incompetent is pretty ridiculous.'
and then when the specific he-is-roleblocker-who-targeted-Amy-N1 world comes up he's like 'wait no if Vul is a villager then maybe the wolves are just mechanically incompetent. you shouldn't kill me just because he flipped villa.'
which like
'wolves could be mechanically incompetent and you shouldn't kill me just because Vul flipped town' is a perspective that makes sense for a villager to have
but he was much less willing to believe the 'wolves did something mechanically incompetent' theory when it was two other players (Marl + Vul) who people were suggesting might be domed together than when it was him and Vulgard -- if it's a plausible theory then it should be a plausible theory no matter who the non-Vul player is
and despite expressing the belief that even independent of mechanics, considering specifically Vul's posts today Vul is likely to flip scum, he seems legitimately worried about the possibility of him flipping town, which feels weird with his PoV
also I think there's very likely to be a wolf in Vul/Outed Wolf based on the fact that Sunbae is the only one actually pushing for a world where they have to be V/W, whereas if they were V/V it would make sense for wolves to want to encourage that dichotomy (which no one has been doing)
[VOTE: Outed Wolf] aubergine
- Mon May 31, 2021 5:33 pm
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- Mon May 31, 2021 3:55 pm
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???
is Nutella bouncing back and forth like a ping-pong ball multiple times in the same page normal?
is Nutella bouncing back and forth like a ping-pong ball multiple times in the same page normal?
- Mon May 31, 2021 3:49 pm
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heya Syn
have you had the chance to read the thread?
also if you're the Jailkeeper you need to hardclaim today and claim your target, I don't really think that's likely but
have you had the chance to read the thread?
also if you're the Jailkeeper you need to hardclaim today and claim your target, I don't really think that's likely but
- Mon May 31, 2021 3:07 pm
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- Mon May 31, 2021 2:07 pm
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with that being said, the mechanical situation is [whatever mech scenario makes him a villager], my reasoning for this is that he's town and so cannot have been the wolf carrying the factional kill
this is a bit flippant but like, I don't know what the specific mechanical situation was, that's not something I can confidently figure out, all I can do is try to backsolve the mech situation from my reads
this is a bit flippant but like, I don't know what the specific mechanical situation was, that's not something I can confidently figure out, all I can do is try to backsolve the mech situation from my reads
- Mon May 31, 2021 2:04 pm
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fwiw Sunbae is right that Vul's posts from while I was sleeping are different (and closer to his wolfrange) compared to his posts on other days
I'm inclined to think that that's because he was fake redchecked and not because he's a wolf but I acknowledge that I had a preexisting strong read that he was a villager
I'm inclined to think that that's because he was fake redchecked and not because he's a wolf but I acknowledge that I had a preexisting strong read that he was a villager
- Mon May 31, 2021 1:05 pm
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Dya, I'm a little unclear on your thought process in getting from 'Vul is redchecked, die' to thinking he's a villager. Can you walk me through how you got there on him?
- Mon May 31, 2021 4:57 am
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idk this might be a dumb take but for me the Bronana post was like ... it felt townie because it had a lot of words but it didn't actually move the needle for me when I considered it rationally? it's easy to look vaguely villagery in an isolated wallpost
- Mon May 31, 2021 4:43 am
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oh right
I just remembered the Marl derpclear and that's still not fake unless he forgot how many wolves there were as scum
[insert 20 posts of Marl complaining that I'm reading him on that instead of on the content of his posts, because he feels it's unfair for him to be cleared off of something like that]
I just remembered the Marl derpclear and that's still not fake unless he forgot how many wolves there were as scum
[insert 20 posts of Marl complaining that I'm reading him on that instead of on the content of his posts, because he feels it's unfair for him to be cleared off of something like that]
- Mon May 31, 2021 4:14 am
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[VOTE:
Chloe] aubergine
I think Chloe completely dodging the thread for ten hours (ten hours that were dominated by a probable V/V thunderdome) is not great and her mindset w.r.t. Alison yesterday is also not great
(like not that she would never be busy for ten hours but it's the ten hours directly following SoD)
I think Chloe completely dodging the thread for ten hours (ten hours that were dominated by a probable V/V thunderdome) is not great and her mindset w.r.t. Alison yesterday is also not great
(like not that she would never be busy for ten hours but it's the ten hours directly following SoD)
- Mon May 31, 2021 4:08 am
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I went through my entire game history and marked every game that I could remember where someone falsely claimed a redcheck on a villager (not counting games where it was a meme or a reactiontest). Some of them are for circumstances that don't apply here (framers, misreading their role PM, being a wolf, etc.), but not all of them.
It's ten out of eighty-one, five if you only count the ones where a villager was the one claiming the check. Which isn't a lot, per se, but there are a lot more fake redchecks on the list than times-I-misread-Vulgard.
- Mon May 31, 2021 3:36 am
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okay so here's why this post ~always comes from town!Vulgard
worth noting that in a previous game where Vul was redchecked as a wolf (parity copped as unaligned with a villager) he was basically like 'katze scum vote katze' (katze was the villager) and then when someone brought up the possibility of a framing effect (which existed in the setup) he was like 'I guess kat was framed' once other people started to be like 'kat was framed' https://forum.throneoflies.com/t/fol-fo ... 82831/2991 -- a major contrast with his approach here
also the thing about how he was excited because it would mean the nightchat got somewhere is super villagery, don't @ me
I don't actually have a response to this but if I'm dissecting this post I might as well leave it in
to a certain extent I gave Vulgard an out by coming up with the Sunbae theory, obviously my intention wasn't 'come up with an excuse he could use as wolf' but nonetheless that was an effect of what I did, and he didn't take it, he instead went with the VT possibility even though that's less believable.Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 3:08 am Okay.
1. I hardclaim VT. Unless someone else CC's this, Sunbae is just the jailkeeper. Besides, the solving they've been doing off my red flip (wrong, but we'll get to that later) looks like they genuinely believe they have a red on me and not like a wolf trying to exploit the no-kill to get me killed.
worth noting that in a previous game where Vul was redchecked as a wolf (parity copped as unaligned with a villager) he was basically like 'katze scum vote katze' (katze was the villager) and then when someone brought up the possibility of a framing effect (which existed in the setup) he was like 'I guess kat was framed' once other people started to be like 'kat was framed' https://forum.throneoflies.com/t/fol-fo ... 82831/2991 -- a major contrast with his approach here
This is a minor point but assuming the wolfteam is mechanically competent they would just have the roleblocker carry both the kill and the roleblock, which doesn't seem to have occurred to Vulgard in this post when he talks about a wolf trying to get a no movement result to improve their position.Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 3:08 am 2. I was saved from a kill last night. That's the only explanation. I have no idea why the wolves didn't roleblock Amy. It's possible they didn't think they needed to, or it was WIFOM, or something else. In theory, a "no movement" result from Amy on a wolf would slightly improve said wolf's position.
this is just a town!Vul thought process, and I totally believe that the c4 thing was a misunderstanding (which basically makes sense to me) -- this also explains why Vul just left the thread when Marl claimed, if he wasn't expecting Marl to claim then he would feel more inclination to do things like 'sleep' and less inclination to do things like 'stick around and watch the fireworks'Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 3:08 am
3. The Marl and c4 thing you are completely misinterpreting. Marl also misunderstood me. We did claim jailkeeper to each other, but I thought I botched it and decided to go with "believe it or don't believe it" - type of posting with Marl in our night chat. I did think it might be useful to fake claim JK in case he turned out to be a wolf; I also considered softing JK today to better sell it. I've tried the whole game not to spew myself VT. At no point was I trying to soft a red on c4. The reason I asked SPF about her shield on c4 had to do with my reads, some of which I discussed overnight with Marl. My read on c4, I did discuss with him. I ended up thinking c4's posts were almost as bad as dya's and he didn't even try to save Alison when his top wolf suspect, dya, was pushing there. I thought that looked pretty terrible with Alison flipping V and I was going to push that. I asked SPF about her shield on c4 because I would find it suspicious if she were still shielding him given all that, and me and Marl both agreed to some levels of paranoia about SPF (though Marl straight up thinks she can be a wolf).
I find his comments about thinking Bronana was softing a red on Sunbae to be completely believable because I thought the same thing at that time -- he could technically be pocketing me with this since I mentioned it in the thread overnight, but his posting at the time makes sense when viewed from that PoV. 'Bronana was softing a red on Sunbae' is a perspective he obviously wouldn't have as wolf unless the factional kill target was randomly SunbaeVulgard wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 3:08 am 4. The string of posts you're claiming was me softing a red on c4 was me actually hinting something to Marl. Me and Marl both had Sunbae in our PoE in our night chat. Zack posted something I interpreted as him claiming a red on Sunbae, and that is what I was hinting at when I talked to Marl. I was wondering if he saw it too, because if he did and if the claim was true, we were collectively correct on a PoE read and it would be awesome. It would mean our nightchat got us somewhere. The thing about my JK stuff and claiming a red on c4 was all your narrative, I never planned to do any of this. Honestly, I'm disappointed everybody turned on me instantly (minus Arete) and never considered a different world.
also the thing about how he was excited because it would mean the nightchat got somewhere is super villagery, don't @ me
Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 3:08 am
I am town. I am not CCing Sunbae; the real JK should do that if he's fake. I don't know why Amy wasn't roleblocked, but I know I was attacked last night.
Stop solving around my red flip, because I am town and Sunbae got a save on me. That's a clear, not a redcheck. Though I understand why you think it's a redcheck, at least consider my point of view and try to solve with me. Not AROUND me, and certainly not around my red flip.
And next time, please let me explain myself instead of instantly making assumptions. Especially when I've barely even posted.
I don't actually have a response to this but if I'm dissecting this post I might as well leave it in
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okay so I have another theory
this theory is probably even dumber than the last theory
wolves killed Vulgard for ... reasons, probably a mix of 'thinking he was the jailkeeper' (tbc this isn't shade on Marl, he hasn't done anything that spewed himself VT so he would have been in the PR pool) + 'him and I being masons'
wolves expected Amy to be jailkept and so didn't feel the need to roleblock her (the other EXTREMELY tinfoil possibility that I don't actually believe at all is that specifically outed wolf is the wolf roleblocker and targeted Amy night 1, but was blocked by Sunbae (allowing Amy to get a check off))
alternatively wolves expected Amy to holster and decided to save the roleblock for tomorrow night? but that's really galaxy brain and unlikely
none of these theories make sense but he's a villager so there has to be something that explains it???
[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine
sorry for tunnelling you Sunbae, I got wrapped up in a specific narrative of Vulgard-being-the-jailkeeper and didn't really consider VTgard worlds
this theory is probably even dumber than the last theory
wolves killed Vulgard for ... reasons, probably a mix of 'thinking he was the jailkeeper' (tbc this isn't shade on Marl, he hasn't done anything that spewed himself VT so he would have been in the PR pool) + 'him and I being masons'
wolves expected Amy to be jailkept and so didn't feel the need to roleblock her (the other EXTREMELY tinfoil possibility that I don't actually believe at all is that specifically outed wolf is the wolf roleblocker and targeted Amy night 1, but was blocked by Sunbae (allowing Amy to get a check off))
alternatively wolves expected Amy to holster and decided to save the roleblock for tomorrow night? but that's really galaxy brain and unlikely
none of these theories make sense but he's a villager so there has to be something that explains it???
[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine
sorry for tunnelling you Sunbae, I got wrapped up in a specific narrative of Vulgard-being-the-jailkeeper and didn't really consider VTgard worlds
- Mon May 31, 2021 3:14 am
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Vulgard is bleeding town right now
and I have no idea what happened last night because no possibility makes mechanical sense unless the wolves are completely incompetent
and I have no idea what happened last night because no possibility makes mechanical sense unless the wolves are completely incompetent
- Mon May 31, 2021 1:33 am
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ftr I strongly suspect that Chloe either literally completely forgot about the game or is intentionally choosing not to post
which in the latter scenario would be super wolf-AI for her (regardless of Vulgard's alignment, actually)
which in the latter scenario would be super wolf-AI for her (regardless of Vulgard's alignment, actually)