The Syndicate

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:47 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:17 pm I'm ashamed of you town.
I wanted to avenge you

Xd

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:41 pm Wel, I got sean

You got nothing dude, its difficult to nearly impossible to read you or work with u as town.

The same to gavial, you guys should know that your playstyle Is hard.

I've been treated by urist reaction, but at that point the only one doing reasonings was seanzie, so difficult to work with the rest of the towns.

So its normal that we lost.

Sorry to the other towns for my d1 eod i was hurry and didnt expect hk being scum.

Next time i promise to be more constant, and little by little improve my english skills it is still frustrating to no express myself how i use to do.

See ya in another game.

Well, almost the urist push wasnt genuine.

Congrats mafia.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:38 pm huh samu / sean might be ruled out too

I am with you dude, everybody in this hole game should be ruled out

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:07 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:02 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:00 pm That probably rule out Samu Bo

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:01 pm That feels like something very small to be clearing for but whatever
I cant understand this kind of informal english bro.
You pinged Bo in thread for no reason, I extrapolated that you probably weren’t teamed given there’s no danger or anything for either of you

Do u think bk is town?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:00 pm That probably rule out Samu Bo

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:01 pm That feels like something very small to be clearing for but whatever

I cant understand this kind of informal english bro.

Omg, how many people seeing this thread

.

Thats have to mean something

@BoKnows are u still alive?

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:58 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:58 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:57 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:56 pm What happen in a triple tie
Mafia gets to choose which of the three dies
Ahhhhh?
Yeah we need to not tie.
We still have an hr tho

Ah, i thinked it was now xd

Well, vote falcon

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:57 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:56 pm What happen in a triple tie
Mafia gets to choose which of the three dies

Ahhhhh?

Saving tsp today? But i dont like that he cant be vote by other two players

Ah hey everybody what im supposed to do?

What happen in a triple tie

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:39 pm the hammer temptation

Dale fuego

[VOTE: tsp] aubergine

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:10 pm Samu insisted he was trying to solve the game which I guess is towny but his solve is {one of falcon,gav} and {?} and this seems like not a solve

I townread doom, bk in day 2, now townlock urist ans also try thinking if esooa was really scummy.

But you can know it without reading all the game.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:08 pm I think falcon might be my strongest town but if gav is a wolf I think falcon might be lock wolf so I guess gav is my strongest town

Xd

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:07 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:38 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:36 pm Trying to resolve in {falcon, gav} seems like a way to lose mafia
Why? I think that a gavial-urist town lock core is a strong and powerful card.
You aren’t locking gav as town if you say that

Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:49 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:39 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:29 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:26 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:16 pm

It is true. Dunya gets her wincon if she's talked to half the remaining players by the end of game.

Did gavial give any details like this? No. Didn't mention the cost of his "red check" either, I had to ask. He's not been given a red check on me, it's impossible.

I am freely giving this info to the town. Why do I do this if I'm Maf? Think about it, I've been breadcrumbing my contact with dunya since it started.

U said u were vt now u are saying that you are freely giving the info to the town.

A town does no freely give anything, just share what he knows.

Are u a 3p

So u still are talking with dunya? Well what was the cost of the shoot of marmot?
I don't know what Marmot's cost was, I only know what my cost was. I asked her a question earlier today, but she hasn't responded.

Freely giving & sharing what I know is the same thing FYI
What more u know about the other players who have been in a deal with dunya?
Nothing really, just that she talked to Marmot & one of Urist/TSP. She wouldn't tell me who. She said she had it on good authority that I was gonna be shot soon, and not to reveal my convo with her as it would speed up my death.
It may seem like a ploy to keep you from talking.

It would be nice to check if you are going to die shot basically we would still be able to lynch and seize the day, if not it is still worth checking if your testimony is genuine, if your flip is green, with this you have handed us gavial and probably tsp on a platter since I have already explained urist I have him at 99% townlock.

And if you're red it's time to forget about this troll.

I also contemplate that dunya can lie to you, do you have any guarantee to say that he can't lie to you? I suppose that if dunya's condition is to make pacts with half of the living party, dunya will try to balance through his reads and his pacts both sides to reach the moment of having made pacts with half.

Do you know what happens if he achieves his goal? Does he win alone or does he continue the game?

Why not? A red check in falcon puts that lock to gavial

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:45 am
Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:08 am
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Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:20 am
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:30 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:24 pm Also falcon is scum too for claiming that dunya visited him. For him to do that, Samu would have to be his partner who prob got the gun from dunya

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:25 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:23 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:23 pm K.
Samu is probably still mafia despite having a gun somehow. Pls execute him after I flip.
Wtf dude you are the mafia.
I'm town and if you're town as well then you seriously need to reconsider the way you play the game and form reads. Not everyone who suspects you is automatically scum.
Well, humm i have to say to you something.

I dont have a gun but i like this reaction, you are town lock despite of being thoughtless.

I just do this cause I couldn't believe that actually your case against me was legitimate so I came up with this and catch you at a time when you were online to see how you would react, this is what I call a shit test.

Now I know that even if you want to ML me you are town and that no one here is going to be able to recriminate you said lynch.

And no, I don't suspect the one who suspects me, there's a reason I didn't vote you and I've been saying all day that today's lynch should always be falcon.
Reaction tests are dumb.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:30 am [VOTE: unvote] aubergine

I'll confirm that dunya targeted me last night and that I shot Sloonei.
The deal I made with her is that I can't vote for TSP or one other person. dunya was supposed to target the "one other person" last night. Obviously, that person is not falcon.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:30 am Sorry dunya targeted me the night before last and I shot Sloonei last night*

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:32 am The fact that dunya is setting people up to not be able to vote Tony is concerning.
Well yeah, but you can thank me for going to break your Ml streak even though you killed Sloonei, seriously I don't know what some of you have in your head.

What you say makes sense

At this point gavial despite supposedly having a red check on falcon, has decided to vote tsp.

What I see is that either gavial is lying or falcon is lying about having made pact with dunya, I contemplate that falcon along with his mafia partner have deduced the hypothesis that the extra death of n2 has been outside the mafia so it should have been executed by someone town and have seen that the most likely would be tsp or urist.

Lynching tsp now is bullshit because it doesn't give us too much on who is lying with pacts, but as you rightly say dunya's insistence on naming him or not being voted is a buzz I can't ignore.

@falcon45ca what happens if you vote tsp?

The truth is that with the time we have if falcon votes tsp and dies we will know if he is telling the truth or not, we can vote and lynch accordingly.

If nothing happens we deduce that in principle he is lying.

Truth be told, I don't see a better scenario than the one I pose.

Need you guys to weight in this idea.
if falcon is being truthful then his vote wouldn't count against tsp at EoD and he wouldn't be "punished" until that time.
so basically i don't think your proposal will work

Well, ok, nvm, I don't have that kind of "meta-reasons", so what do you propose?

What or what do you think is the best order of action for the town to win?

@urist did you also have talked with dunya? What did she said?

Well i was rereading gavial last pages iso and i wanna talk about this.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:04 am The Cost is I don’t decide my vote.
I choose someone and I vote their vote and I’ll choose the person voting you.

Hey @Gavial what happen to this

How are u supposed to vote tsp alone and nothing happens, this is a scumslip or not doing what dunya says have no consequences.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:56 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:56 pm OP says she can offer things to players...who has dunya talked to?
Me she gave me cop check.
I got Red on you.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:57 pm @falcon45ca
I’m sorry man but I don’t see anything you’ve done as Townie.
That won’t change no matter how many times you say your town it can only change if you drastically improve within the next 12 hours and become Obv Town.

This is contradictory, i dont think in this game there is an ability that can manipulate another info abilities. 1% possible i guess.

You are saying that u have a red check in falcon and now that to believe falcon he has to improve in the next 12 and became obv with a supposed red check in your pm, how he can do that? You havent seen anything townie from someone who you suppose to know that is red?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:53 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:49 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:39 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:29 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:26 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:16 pm

It is true. Dunya gets her wincon if she's talked to half the remaining players by the end of game.

Did gavial give any details like this? No. Didn't mention the cost of his "red check" either, I had to ask. He's not been given a red check on me, it's impossible.

I am freely giving this info to the town. Why do I do this if I'm Maf? Think about it, I've been breadcrumbing my contact with dunya since it started.

U said u were vt now u are saying that you are freely giving the info to the town.

A town does no freely give anything, just share what he knows.

Are u a 3p

So u still are talking with dunya? Well what was the cost of the shoot of marmot?
I don't know what Marmot's cost was, I only know what my cost was. I asked her a question earlier today, but she hasn't responded.

Freely giving & sharing what I know is the same thing FYI
What more u know about the other players who have been in a deal with dunya?
Nothing really, just that she talked to Marmot & one of Urist/TSP. She wouldn't tell me who. She said she had it on good authority that I was gonna be shot soon, and not to reveal my convo with her as it would speed up my death.
It may seem like a ploy to keep you from talking.

It would be nice to check if you are going to die shot basically we would still be able to lynch and seize the day, if not it is still worth checking if your testimony is genuine, if your flip is green, with this you have handed us gavial and probably tsp on a platter since I have already explained urist I have him at 99% townlock.

And if you're red it's time to forget about this troll.

I also contemplate that dunya can lie to you, do you have any guarantee to say that he can't lie to you? I suppose that if dunya's condition is to make pacts with half of the living party, dunya will try to balance through his reads and his pacts both sides to reach the moment of having made pacts with half.

Do you know what happens if he achieves his goal? Does he win alone or does he continue the game?
Dunya most certainly can lie to me, cuz she said she hoped I was Maf when she opened the chat with me, but also said I'm going to get shot.

I believe Dunya's wincon doesn't matter if it's with town or Maf, just half the remaining players have to have talked with her.

Also if falcon is saying true this post makes more evidence of urist being town. From 99 to 101%

I dont think dunya will lie opening a conversation with someone saying that she hoped that falcon is maf.

Maybe she can lie to make things for us difficult like saying things like n2 deal with tsp/urist but not that kind of things.

Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:08 am
Spoiler: show
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:20 am
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:30 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:24 pm Also falcon is scum too for claiming that dunya visited him. For him to do that, Samu would have to be his partner who prob got the gun from dunya

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:25 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:23 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:23 pm K.
Samu is probably still mafia despite having a gun somehow. Pls execute him after I flip.
Wtf dude you are the mafia.
I'm town and if you're town as well then you seriously need to reconsider the way you play the game and form reads. Not everyone who suspects you is automatically scum.
Well, humm i have to say to you something.

I dont have a gun but i like this reaction, you are town lock despite of being thoughtless.

I just do this cause I couldn't believe that actually your case against me was legitimate so I came up with this and catch you at a time when you were online to see how you would react, this is what I call a shit test.

Now I know that even if you want to ML me you are town and that no one here is going to be able to recriminate you said lynch.

And no, I don't suspect the one who suspects me, there's a reason I didn't vote you and I've been saying all day that today's lynch should always be falcon.
Reaction tests are dumb.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:30 am [VOTE: unvote] aubergine

I'll confirm that dunya targeted me last night and that I shot Sloonei.
The deal I made with her is that I can't vote for TSP or one other person. dunya was supposed to target the "one other person" last night. Obviously, that person is not falcon.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:30 am Sorry dunya targeted me the night before last and I shot Sloonei last night*

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:32 am The fact that dunya is setting people up to not be able to vote Tony is concerning.
Well yeah, but you can thank me for going to break your Ml streak even though you killed Sloonei, seriously I don't know what some of you have in your head.

What you say makes sense

At this point gavial despite supposedly having a red check on falcon, has decided to vote tsp.

What I see is that either gavial is lying or falcon is lying about having made pact with dunya, I contemplate that falcon along with his mafia partner have deduced the hypothesis that the extra death of n2 has been outside the mafia so it should have been executed by someone town and have seen that the most likely would be tsp or urist.

Lynching tsp now is bullshit because it doesn't give us too much on who is lying with pacts, but as you rightly say dunya's insistence on naming him or not being voted is a buzz I can't ignore.

@falcon45ca what happens if you vote tsp?

The truth is that with the time we have if falcon votes tsp and dies we will know if he is telling the truth or not, we can vote and lynch accordingly.

If nothing happens we deduce that in principle he is lying.

Truth be told, I don't see a better scenario than the one I pose.

Need you guys to weight in this idea.

Also if dunya is maf side maybe he/she is naming tsp to make us doubt and ml buuut humm dunno.

Spoiler: show

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:32 am The fact that dunya is setting people up to not be able to vote Tony is concerning.

Well yeah, but you can thank me for going to break your Ml streak even though you killed Sloonei, seriously I don't know what some of you have in your head.

What you say makes sense

At this point gavial despite supposedly having a red check on falcon, has decided to vote tsp.

What I see is that either gavial is lying or falcon is lying about having made pact with dunya, I contemplate that falcon along with his mafia partner have deduced the hypothesis that the extra death of n2 has been outside the mafia so it should have been executed by someone town and have seen that the most likely would be tsp or urist.

Lynching tsp now is bullshit because it doesn't give us too much on who is lying with pacts, but as you rightly say dunya's insistence on naming him or not being voted is a buzz I can't ignore.

@falcon45ca what happens if you vote tsp?

The truth is that with the time we have if falcon votes tsp and dies we will know if he is telling the truth or not, we can vote and lynch accordingly.

If nothing happens we deduce that in principle he is lying.

Truth be told, I don't see a better scenario than the one I pose.

Need you guys to weight in this idea.

Can anyone think of anything else to ask that might be interesting?

@Seanzie @Urist

Well i think the second dead of this night comes from the deal with dunya.

@falcon45ca can u ask to dunya if that its true?

Also, how many deals can dunya offer by day/night phase.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:39 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:29 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:26 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:16 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:10 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:59 pm

It's clearly a lie, as others have pointed out
Well then if what you say is true gavial and urist are the scum, i cant believe that exist a world where you are town and didnt begin the day saying this.

I also a 99% sure townlocking urist by his reaction in no time to think if what i did is a lie or to check with his scummates something.

I personally read that ate in the response that he gives as a towny ate.

So i conclude that is pretty obvious that we have to check who lies between you and gavial and i have more reasons to scumread u than gavial.

One is obvious but esooa softclaim of vt at the beginning of the game was pretty obvious by reading the message that nanook gives to other vt, your response to it was scumness cause only a scum cant infere that the doubts of what aligment for a mere mortal is and why esooa thinks that he was town.
It is true. Dunya gets her wincon if she's talked to half the remaining players by the end of game.

Did gavial give any details like this? No. Didn't mention the cost of his "red check" either, I had to ask. He's not been given a red check on me, it's impossible.

I am freely giving this info to the town. Why do I do this if I'm Maf? Think about it, I've been breadcrumbing my contact with dunya since it started.

U said u were vt now u are saying that you are freely giving the info to the town.

A town does no freely give anything, just share what he knows.

Are u a 3p

So u still are talking with dunya? Well what was the cost of the shoot of marmot?
I don't know what Marmot's cost was, I only know what my cost was. I asked her a question earlier today, but she hasn't responded.

Freely giving & sharing what I know is the same thing FYI
What more u know about the other players who have been in a deal with dunya?
Nothing really, just that she talked to Marmot & one of Urist/TSP. She wouldn't tell me who. She said she had it on good authority that I was gonna be shot soon, and not to reveal my convo with her as it would speed up my death.

@Urist @TonyStarkPrime what about this?

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:47 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:22 pm Wait, [VOTE: unvote] aubergine

@Seanzie please unvote for a while.
No thanks put your vote back.
Still have you and Falcon as a pairing.
If you wanna remove that, show me you aren’t aligned with him.

Things to scumread me with falcon doesnt go that way.

Im still thinking that falcon is a good lynch right now but keep calm i wanna hear him and let it time to ask some questions tu dunya just cause the "what if" what he is saying is true.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:39 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:29 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:26 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:16 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:10 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:59 pm

It's clearly a lie, as others have pointed out
Well then if what you say is true gavial and urist are the scum, i cant believe that exist a world where you are town and didnt begin the day saying this.

I also a 99% sure townlocking urist by his reaction in no time to think if what i did is a lie or to check with his scummates something.

I personally read that ate in the response that he gives as a towny ate.

So i conclude that is pretty obvious that we have to check who lies between you and gavial and i have more reasons to scumread u than gavial.

One is obvious but esooa softclaim of vt at the beginning of the game was pretty obvious by reading the message that nanook gives to other vt, your response to it was scumness cause only a scum cant infere that the doubts of what aligment for a mere mortal is and why esooa thinks that he was town.
It is true. Dunya gets her wincon if she's talked to half the remaining players by the end of game.

Did gavial give any details like this? No. Didn't mention the cost of his "red check" either, I had to ask. He's not been given a red check on me, it's impossible.

I am freely giving this info to the town. Why do I do this if I'm Maf? Think about it, I've been breadcrumbing my contact with dunya since it started.

U said u were vt now u are saying that you are freely giving the info to the town.

A town does no freely give anything, just share what he knows.

Are u a 3p

So u still are talking with dunya? Well what was the cost of the shoot of marmot?
I don't know what Marmot's cost was, I only know what my cost was. I asked her a question earlier today, but she hasn't responded.

Freely giving & sharing what I know is the same thing FYI
What more u know about the other players who have been in a deal with dunya?
Nothing really, just that she talked to Marmot & one of Urist/TSP. She wouldn't tell me who. She said she had it on good authority that I was gonna be shot soon, and not to reveal my convo with her as it would speed up my death.

It may seem like a ploy to keep you from talking.

It would be nice to check if you are going to die shot basically we would still be able to lynch and seize the day, if not it is still worth checking if your testimony is genuine, if your flip is green, with this you have handed us gavial and probably tsp on a platter since I have already explained urist I have him at 99% townlock.

And if you're red it's time to forget about this troll.

I also contemplate that dunya can lie to you, do you have any guarantee to say that he can't lie to you? I suppose that if dunya's condition is to make pacts with half of the living party, dunya will try to balance through his reads and his pacts both sides to reach the moment of having made pacts with half.

Do you know what happens if he achieves his goal? Does he win alone or does he continue the game?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:38 pm What’s the townie thing from samu?

Humm

trying to solve the game isnt enough for you? Whats the scummy thing from samu to you?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:36 pm Trying to resolve in {falcon, gav} seems like a way to lose mafia

Why? I think that a gavial-urist town lock core is a strong and powerful card.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:29 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:26 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:16 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:10 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:59 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:47 pm @Gavial i trust your red check on falcon, but now u have a new and strongly core with sean and urist, just let seanzie lead.

@Seanzie if you are not town, congratulations, but if you are, know that your the main town player with some criteria, right now i can trust urist despite of his bad reads i know that is not too much but at least it can help you.

@BoKnows If u are town i have to tell you that u havent done a towny thing since d1, please tomorrow every player will have to weight on his reads and every player in the poe have to settle his vote, i think that u are clever enough to know what is the reason for this.

I pretty think that the order for settling the votes are, falcon, tsp,Bk, seanzie, gavial and finally urist.

@TonyStarkPrime if you are town at least appear, read and colaborate with the core.
It's clearly a lie, as others have pointed out
Well then if what you say is true gavial and urist are the scum, i cant believe that exist a world where you are town and didnt begin the day saying this.

I also a 99% sure townlocking urist by his reaction in no time to think if what i did is a lie or to check with his scummates something.

I personally read that ate in the response that he gives as a towny ate.

So i conclude that is pretty obvious that we have to check who lies between you and gavial and i have more reasons to scumread u than gavial.

One is obvious but esooa softclaim of vt at the beginning of the game was pretty obvious by reading the message that nanook gives to other vt, your response to it was scumness cause only a scum cant infere that the doubts of what aligment for a mere mortal is and why esooa thinks that he was town.
It is true. Dunya gets her wincon if she's talked to half the remaining players by the end of game.

Did gavial give any details like this? No. Didn't mention the cost of his "red check" either, I had to ask. He's not been given a red check on me, it's impossible.

I am freely giving this info to the town. Why do I do this if I'm Maf? Think about it, I've been breadcrumbing my contact with dunya since it started.

U said u were vt now u are saying that you are freely giving the info to the town.

A town does no freely give anything, just share what he knows.

Are u a 3p

So u still are talking with dunya? Well what was the cost of the shoot of marmot?
I don't know what Marmot's cost was, I only know what my cost was. I asked her a question earlier today, but she hasn't responded.

Freely giving & sharing what I know is the same thing FYI

What more u know about the other players who have been in a deal with dunya?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:29 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:26 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:16 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:10 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:59 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:47 pm @Gavial i trust your red check on falcon, but now u have a new and strongly core with sean and urist, just let seanzie lead.

@Seanzie if you are not town, congratulations, but if you are, know that your the main town player with some criteria, right now i can trust urist despite of his bad reads i know that is not too much but at least it can help you.

@BoKnows If u are town i have to tell you that u havent done a towny thing since d1, please tomorrow every player will have to weight on his reads and every player in the poe have to settle his vote, i think that u are clever enough to know what is the reason for this.

I pretty think that the order for settling the votes are, falcon, tsp,Bk, seanzie, gavial and finally urist.

@TonyStarkPrime if you are town at least appear, read and colaborate with the core.
It's clearly a lie, as others have pointed out
Well then if what you say is true gavial and urist are the scum, i cant believe that exist a world where you are town and didnt begin the day saying this.

I also a 99% sure townlocking urist by his reaction in no time to think if what i did is a lie or to check with his scummates something.

I personally read that ate in the response that he gives as a towny ate.

So i conclude that is pretty obvious that we have to check who lies between you and gavial and i have more reasons to scumread u than gavial.

One is obvious but esooa softclaim of vt at the beginning of the game was pretty obvious by reading the message that nanook gives to other vt, your response to it was scumness cause only a scum cant infere that the doubts of what aligment for a mere mortal is and why esooa thinks that he was town.
It is true. Dunya gets her wincon if she's talked to half the remaining players by the end of game.

Did gavial give any details like this? No. Didn't mention the cost of his "red check" either, I had to ask. He's not been given a red check on me, it's impossible.

I am freely giving this info to the town. Why do I do this if I'm Maf? Think about it, I've been breadcrumbing my contact with dunya since it started.

U said u were vt now u are saying that you are freely giving the info to the town.

A town does no freely give anything, just share what he knows.

Are u a 3p

So u still are talking with dunya? Well what was the cost of the shoot of marmot?
I don't know what Marmot's cost was, I only know what my cost was. I asked her a question earlier today, but she hasn't responded.

Freely giving & sharing what I know is the same thing FYI

Are u a 3p or not?

And yes they are synonyms but the significance of using one or the other changes the narrative quite a bit.

In this case you speak as if you were not part of the town.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:16 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:10 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:59 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:47 pm @Gavial i trust your red check on falcon, but now u have a new and strongly core with sean and urist, just let seanzie lead.

@Seanzie if you are not town, congratulations, but if you are, know that your the main town player with some criteria, right now i can trust urist despite of his bad reads i know that is not too much but at least it can help you.

@BoKnows If u are town i have to tell you that u havent done a towny thing since d1, please tomorrow every player will have to weight on his reads and every player in the poe have to settle his vote, i think that u are clever enough to know what is the reason for this.

I pretty think that the order for settling the votes are, falcon, tsp,Bk, seanzie, gavial and finally urist.

@TonyStarkPrime if you are town at least appear, read and colaborate with the core.
It's clearly a lie, as others have pointed out
Well then if what you say is true gavial and urist are the scum, i cant believe that exist a world where you are town and didnt begin the day saying this.

I also a 99% sure townlocking urist by his reaction in no time to think if what i did is a lie or to check with his scummates something.

I personally read that ate in the response that he gives as a towny ate.

So i conclude that is pretty obvious that we have to check who lies between you and gavial and i have more reasons to scumread u than gavial.

One is obvious but esooa softclaim of vt at the beginning of the game was pretty obvious by reading the message that nanook gives to other vt, your response to it was scumness cause only a scum cant infere that the doubts of what aligment for a mere mortal is and why esooa thinks that he was town.
It is true. Dunya gets her wincon if she's talked to half the remaining players by the end of game.

Did gavial give any details like this? No. Didn't mention the cost of his "red check" either, I had to ask. He's not been given a red check on me, it's impossible.

I am freely giving this info to the town. Why do I do this if I'm Maf? Think about it, I've been breadcrumbing my contact with dunya since it started.

U said u were vt now u are saying that you are freely giving the info to the town.

A town does no freely give anything, just share what he knows.

Are u a 3p

So u still are talking with dunya? Well what was the cost of the shoot of marmot?

Wait, [VOTE: unvote] aubergine

@Seanzie please unvote for a while.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:59 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:47 pm @Gavial i trust your red check on falcon, but now u have a new and strongly core with sean and urist, just let seanzie lead.

@Seanzie if you are not town, congratulations, but if you are, know that your the main town player with some criteria, right now i can trust urist despite of his bad reads i know that is not too much but at least it can help you.

@BoKnows If u are town i have to tell you that u havent done a towny thing since d1, please tomorrow every player will have to weight on his reads and every player in the poe have to settle his vote, i think that u are clever enough to know what is the reason for this.

I pretty think that the order for settling the votes are, falcon, tsp,Bk, seanzie, gavial and finally urist.

@TonyStarkPrime if you are town at least appear, read and colaborate with the core.
It's clearly a lie, as others have pointed out

Well then if what you say is true gavial and urist are the scum, i cant believe that exist a world where you are town and didnt begin the day saying this.

I also a 99% sure townlocking urist by his reaction in no time to think if what i did is a lie or to check with his scummates something.

I personally read that ate in the response that he gives as a towny ate.

So i conclude that is pretty obvious that we have to check who lies between you and gavial and i have more reasons to scumread u than gavial.

One is obvious but esooa softclaim of vt at the beginning of the game was pretty obvious by reading the message that nanook gives to other vt, your response to it was scumness cause only a scum cant infere that the doubts of what aligment for a mere mortal is and why esooa thinks that he was town.

Well, I think that's enough, I don't want to create more posts just for the sake of it.

I think I have tried to explain myself as best I can with my current skills.

But when I ask for something like a reflection or a "what if" exercise if the other party doesn't stop for a second to think or work and go deeper into why they are reading it, then I can't do anything.

Simply put, whoever has engaged in this kind of game will receive the appropriate criticism just as I will have to receive mine.

I do not insist much more on the subject, for my part I have already done the pertinent work and it seems to me more than enough.

@Gavial i trust your red check on falcon, but now u have a new and strongly core with sean and urist, just let seanzie lead.

@Seanzie if you are not town, congratulations, but if you are, know that your the main town player with some criteria, right now i can trust urist despite of his bad reads i know that is not too much but at least it can help you.

@BoKnows If u are town i have to tell you that u havent done a towny thing since d1, please tomorrow every player will have to weight on his reads and every player in the poe have to settle his vote, i think that u are clever enough to know what is the reason for this.

I pretty think that the order for settling the votes are, falcon, tsp,Bk, seanzie, gavial and finally urist.

@TonyStarkPrime if you are town at least appear, read and colaborate with the core.

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:31 pm I have to go feed my kids. Axe Samu today. If he flips mafia then falcon is his partner. If Samu is town then meh my reads are shit and you shouldn't listen to me anyway.

I am opposed to this, but if by any chance you get it with the help of the mafia, believe me you are going to get a good rage from me full of insults letting you know what a fool you are.

In the meantime, my cards and reads and defense are on the table.

For my part [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Even if I am now the one suffering from dunning kruger syndrome.

I'm a bastard genius.

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:24 pm Also falcon is scum too for claiming that dunya visited him. For him to do that, Samu would have to be his partner who prob got the gun from dunya

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:25 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:23 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:23 pm K.
Samu is probably still mafia despite having a gun somehow. Pls execute him after I flip.
Wtf dude you are the mafia.
I'm town and if you're town as well then you seriously need to reconsider the way you play the game and form reads. Not everyone who suspects you is automatically scum.

Well, humm i have to say to you something.

I dont have a gun but i like this reaction, you are town lock despite of being thoughtless.

I just do this cause I couldn't believe that actually your case against me was legitimate so I came up with this and catch you at a time when you were online to see how you would react, this is what I call a shit test.

Now I know that even if you want to ML me you are town and that no one here is going to be able to recriminate you said lynch.

And no, I don't suspect the one who suspects me, there's a reason I didn't vote you and I've been saying all day that today's lynch should always be falcon.

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:23 pm K.
Samu is probably still mafia despite having a gun somehow. Pls execute him after I flip.

Wtf dude you are the mafia.

I would check the result on morning see ya.

I would have to be pretty dumb to leave me in that spot being mafia with hk, my actions are out of believing hk wasn't really mafia even though I didn't like some of his recent posts.*

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

I have my trump card.

Shoot @Urist

Well, the truth is that I am tired, tired of non-reflexivity.

Urist keeps saying I'm mafia for unvoting hk when he himself was one of those who voted marmot.

This kind of hypocrisy without arguments that go deeper than that has me up to my balls.

So urist, you're going straight to the graveyard.

Now it remains to see your flip and then vote falcon as he is surely also mafia, if there is no big contradiction with gavial's claim.

I'm still surprised no one has yet wanted to delve into tsp or consider tsp or falcon over me for a lynch.

I thought BK was a guy to reason with but I can't do anymore. He reminds me so much of a player named penguin on mu championshit.

Seriously you guys are such idiots to think that if I was mafia and knowing that hk is too, I vote for a while for a wagon I had no business getting into, then unvote leaving me tremendously flagged going into the final phase of the game and going to vote an afk because like I said it's hard to get a replacement for this game. (If it wasn't tsp should have been replaced a long time ago).

Nah, you guys are thoughtless. I never had the need to vote hk, I did it for a couple of post and since it didn't convince me I left while checking how willing others like BK were to lynch long con.

You would have to be pretty dumb to leave me in that spot being mafia with hk, my actions are out of believing hk wasn't really mafia even though I didn't like some of his recent posts.

Up to this point and throughout this day I have been looking for you to do the mental exercise of thinking if I were mafia I really would have so blatantly wagon in and out, I can't just be town with a misread? Bah, who cares, there goes my bullet.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:34 am
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:13 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:55 am
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:52 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:43 am
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:01 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:35 am

Night 1 EoD still leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

Right now I have to scum hunt in Urist, Samu, Falcon, and TSP. Out of those 4 I think Urist is the most towny. Out of the remaining three all of your guy's play has been similar enough, but it all comes back to that bad play on N1.
How unvoting and voting an afk that were killed the same night is a bad play in a scum way.

Please, everybody reflect on this.

I have been accused that my unvote and vote for jessie was mafia because thatoa had cfd HK.

Right now we know that esooa was town and his cfd was genuine in thinking hk was town.

We also know that marmot shot hk before the end of the day therefore his lynch could no longer happen.

I at that point had stopped being in the game to be with my partner.

What would have changed if I didn't unvote hk? The answer is nothing since the cfd from esooa to marmot happened regardless of what I said or did, moreover I had tried minutes before to check how people saw a wagon a long con and get reads, but I never participated in the cfd to marmot.

Do you think if I am mafia with hk before hk has been shot by marmot does it make any sense for me to leave the game and not defend hk that way?

This is the d1 count

Marmot (3*): urist, esooa, gavial
Esooa (2): Marmot, doom
Samu (1): LC
Jessiekruger (1): Samu
Sean (1): falcon
Not voting (5): bo*, sean*, jessiekruger, tsp, Alison

Tell me now, what makes my vote for jessie more scum than urist's vote to finish off marmot?

You didn't even end up voting and when I was still and proposed LC you even joined pretty quickly without giving much explanation that wagon you joined would also save HK, isn't that also a terrible bad move?

When esooa was still alive and thought he was mafia he could accept that my move was bad and that if esooa made flip scum, I would go after because it's easy for a scum to make a case through my eod.

But this was not the case, despite esooa having made town flip, urist and now you have continued like a fly in summer insisting and insisting like a light and slight buzz throughout the thread that samu is mafia because his move in the eod is bad.

And since samu's move is bad, then samu is mafia. This argument is circular starts where it ends and ends where it starts but there is no real reasoning behind it.

I'm going to say it very clearly, you don't have the balls to explain why a scum samu would make that vote move in the d1 eod and not just any other move nor do you have the balls to say why that move is more scumness than other players with current game information.
This is really bad reasoning. I need to go look back at EoD1 to see exactly how things went down, but now that I'm looking at this vote count, Samu moving from HK to Jessie made it so that Marmot couldn't self-pres onto HK since it would have been 3 to 4...
Im doing my best here to translate what i want to say and why the argument of me being mafia is circular.

If u want to point something i will read u.
How is the argument circular?
Bk and urist defend that im mafia cause my d1 eod is bad.

And cause my d1 eod is bad, im mafia.

I name that a circular argument.

Furthermore there havent been and argument o explanation of why i would do that being mafia or why i would jump firstly in hk wagon and quit off after. Or if it possible of me doing that being town.

Nothing.

Thats horrible, is as horrible as esooa's lynch reasons.

Cause esooa did a cfd to marmot he is mafia and esooa is mafia cause he did that cfd, nobody ask himself if esooa being town and being wrong about marmot and hk aligment would do that cfd, if the narrative of esooa post is in a world of esooa being town or a world of esooa being scum.

I asked to everybody to do that mental exercice, nobody weights on that.

Now i'm requesting everybody to do the same with my case.

And there is no a clear response.

Why there is no a clear response? Definitily cause its a circular argument and nobody is thinking about why i should that.

Urist and bk are beginning and finishing in the he was wrong moving his vote and that move feels weird argument. But somebody being weird or being wrong isnt a real argument for being mafia, to think that u have to go deeper and ask yourself if that makes sense.

As a town im defing my slot against a bad argument for being ml. More if i know that gavial had a red check in falcon and the importance of lynching a scum this day.
This is not a circular argument. You're using the correct term here, but what you are describing isn't that. Both these arguments have the form:
1.Samu's EoD1 was bad.
2.If Samu's EoD1 was bad, then Samu is mafia.
Therefore, Samu is mafia.

This is a valid argument form called Modus Ponens. It isn't clear that the premises are true, but the argument form itself is not circular, and it is a valid deduction (assuming the truth of the premises).

A (invalid) circular argument would be something like:
1.If Samu's EoD1 was bad, then Samu is mafia.
2.If Samu is mafia, then Samu's EoD1 was bad.
Therefore, Samu is mafia.

Okey, I can come to buy that you think the terminology is not correct, when still, I keep saying that the only argument to say that I am scum, is that my eod is bad, and just because my day 1 eod is bad I can be accused of scum, because so far there is no other argument.

And I say this to you sean, who have done the mental exercise of looking at the eod again and realized that there is more than one player like urist or Falcon whose eod is also bad with the information we have now.

There is nothing else in this game that I am being accused of.

And even having a red check on falcon I don't get to understand in which head of a town it fits not to lynch falcon today and already if tomorrow it is still believed that I am scum elaborate the case against me.

As you can see here:

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:04 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:57 am Based off the OP, there have def been some player's who dunya has reached out to. Why aren't we hearing from them?
it could be that they don't want to be killed by the mafia

Urist is not trying to think why I made that move in eod and see if that corresponds to a samu scum or not.

He comes up with the narrative that I am scum and tries to excuse his theory even if he has to give it a backhanded twist and it seems to me that it is quite obvious his non-reflexivity.

@Seanzie

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