The Syndicate

tutuu

JaggedJimmyJay

Vivax
Lime Coke
Scotty
falcon45ca
Ricochet

RondoDimBuckle
Belzy
Creature
DrWilgy
Seanzie
Zenon
Porscha
motobot

S~V~S
die_meatbaby

Something like this? I would say? A lot of it feels like waiting for more to happen from certain people so I'm not sold on this arrangement. But it does bother me since my vote could go onto a person whom I could maybe solve later and I dislike being inefficient like that (unless I get lucky and its on a wolf). Better than letting Tutuu die though.

Looks like I'll have to see if I can be here tomorrow (IRL) more. No promises though since usually my Wednesday evenings are spent with a particular online friend unless they're too busy.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:56 pm martin
Tutuu
Rondo
Rico

Porscha- got that fire and simultaneous looseness I associate with town Porscha
Zenon- based on vibes, could go either way but I’m leaning town atm

diebabymeat- hasn’t ruffled feathers too much, want to see more
JJJ- Is blendy, which is weird for town JJJ, but then again? It’s been a while
SVS- smooth criminal, needs time to simmer

Seanzie, Line Coke, falcon, Wilgy, moto- this tier can go in any order. I have no solid reason to Townlean any of them
Vivax- his tone comes off as bombastic and his reads aren’t fully realized

upon reflection and a bit of research

I think this looks decent on scotty. Fairly early readslist and isn't quite consensus reads of the time I would think, I'm of the belief that a wolf Scotty may have more consensus ideas here.

(there's a fair bit of thought into it but I tried creating it and it was just a terrible rotten word salad)

I do have a question though @Scotty why'd you make two readlists within 2-3 hours (or 60 posts) of each other? You don't seem the type to compulsively make reads-lists like that

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:35 pm Fixed, kinda

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:25 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:37 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:33 am Scotty's vote on SVS is

U N D E R W H E L M I N G

in my opinion
Join the club.

At this point imma [VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

She is giving me overwhelming steering vibes, and the fact that she’s doing it in a way that draws clear lines based on an arbitrary criteria, I don’t see the town in that ad of right now.
Well-reasoned and I can’t fault you for this vote.

Well-reasoned SVS can be so tricksy.

SVS, what is your read of me? Do you think I am being disingenuous?
Disingenuous? Not really. Maybe. Not sure. You feel a bit glib tbh.

I have mixed feels on you. I think you find town me better than most, but you also get paranoid.

So you voting me bothered me, I’ll be honest. It felt more to me like you were trying to get a reaction than that you really thought I was being retiring.

I was also bothered by you jumping on the “civvies don’t pick food” bandwagon. I don’t think of you as being a person who goes for someone else’s thread theories like this without more critical thought.

But I’m also on phone on the couch so I have to reread you to capture the feels I had this AM.

This feels like one of those posts AXIS (my champs wolf teammate) would make of me, where its just weighing stuff and mentioning them but never really having a progression or firm stance. A lot of it mentions what Scotty does, not what SVS thinks proactively (like that third line is purely reactive in nature, if you get what I mean).

I wouldn't put much weight into it now, as it would be silly to use someone else's gameplay to implicate someone else for having seemingly similar gameplay. Besides that, for all I know it could be a read that is genuinely mixed and thus is prone to appear that way. But I can't help but feel the similarities.

idk about anyone else here but I appreciate everyone's participation in the game so far

You've all contributed to this being a fairly cool gaming experience for me so far and I don't really suspect any of you as people who would play in bad faith. I hope that means something.

Martin, what in the world you're doing? As part of my recent-ish shift in mindset towards FM in general, I've placed more emphasis on friendly game environments and interaction. Self-oriented goals and self-improvement isn't a sustainable source of enjoyment to me, and in fact something that has caused me great stress and potentially insolvable problems, so trying to make things better for people while we play where I can should do instead.

I think I'll be here for now.

[VOTE: meatbaby] aubergine

open to consideration of other slots though because someone earlier pointed out it was their first day here and if they're town and I kick them off I would feel very rude tbh, but that won't save them from being my 2nd day vote if they live to that point with no improvement

im now off to read in SVS and Scotty and such

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:55 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:42 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:38 am Can I safely expect to be thoroughly licked?
I've been enjoying the completely random and ridiculous comments in this game so far. This and Tutuu's drink comment have made me chuckle a fair bit.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:59 am I appreciate both Rico and Scotty engaging with my takes on Vivax.
I don't really seem to vibe with your vivax posts, and after thinking on it I think my biggest issue is how is that....necessarily scummy? Like what makes it such that a town would be unlikely to have that sort of progression or thought? Idk, just make it clearer somehow. I don't really see Vivax as anything atm.
We all deserve to be thoroughly licked by Wilgy at least once.

The best summary for my ping with Vivax was the single word I used earlier: "cooked". I wouldn't say it's some uniquely unlikely town view, or that it has to reflect a mafia agenda -- indeed, I don't tend to think about reads in those terms this early in a game. One must shoot from the hip, because "agenda" and trying to assess alignment probabilistically strike me as fool's errand's without an established informational starting point. Perhaps others do it better than I do it, but it's not my mode of thinking. Instead, I assess at raw face value: does this person believe in what they have just posted? Examples: Vivax made an associative read about Rondo that I found difficult to believe given the source material, so I question the authenticity. Vivax threw some shade at tutuu on the basis of mechanical assumptions that I didn't think one needed to make, so I question the authenticity.

That's my best attempt to explain what I meant. It's not a hyper-strong or confident suspicion on my part, but it's a ping.

Preety good attempt, although I had to re-read it twice because I failed to wrap my brain around the words. Nice reading something more comprehensive and precise for once in FM.

You've gotten one point in towniness. Do I actually know how much that is valued at? Nope. I semi-surface level read this is a good response (as it appears to connect to deeper beliefs which also seems to line up roughly with what I've seen of you from the past) and if I didn't respect you as a player I probably would more strongly TR you for it. For all I know you reciting said beliefs is child's play, but I'm in mild doubt that wolf you does that here regardless if it is child's play to do so.

things I probably did not make clear in my last post // random thoughts:

Most of the porscha talk has been very meta-y (I think) and I knida would like to hear a solid point that doesn't rely on that sometime in the future. I've known the name Porscha but my brain is recalling very few experiences with them. At least not recently.

Rondo has been rondo and I kinda just have been ignoring him. Partially a policy thing as I think their play and mindset so drastically different from mine that trying to read them may be a hazard for confidence.

Tutuu's tone has been getting better and better over-time and I don't think confirmation bias can explain that away.

SVS I think I can get an initial read on but it likely requires diving into them independently after my catch-up. Most quotes I saw at a glance didn't ring anything and some people seem to greatly fear a SVS wolf, but I reckon I'm probably better at reading invested higher-posting players than I am of lower-posting less-invested players. Scotty may qualify for that too but he seems to be vibing on a different level than I am at times....if that makes any sense.

Game has been preety fun to read.

This is a spoilered post.

For the sake of your thread-viewing/ISO-viewing experience.
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Spoiler: show

die_meatbaby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:24 am @@tutuu
Why did you vote on me? I literally made 2 posts what supect you about that. Didn't really start here and already got a vote??

don't like this

implies that there would be a good or "better" reason to voting them, otherwise why would they ask why; with them literally having 2 posts I doubt if I were town in their shoes there wouldn't be any "good" reasons to vote me outside of rvs (and if its rvs, I wouldn't need to ask why in order to figure that as you can semi-reliably judge that on time & # of game posts)

Zenon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:56 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:17 am @Zenon has been posting without having read her role pm just clarifying and remembering for myself too to not read into what shes said so far as ai
I'm like 97.8% sure that talking about this breaks some kind of OGI rule

I may or may have not employed a good practice which helps ensure I don't post anything rule-breaking before posting something that may or may not be seen as rule-breaking in some communities.

Considering I haven't been blasted from the heavens after my Lime Coke comment, I suspect its considered fair game to talk about for the duration of this game.

Besides that though, I think most games here (at least one's I've played in the past) never really verified if people checked PMs. Or at least the host has not often noted whether the role PM (if done through site) has been read. So in general its good practice to read people more over-time rather than specifically on their early d1 play. If you're deciding a chop based on that section of time, you may be risking yourself to another player's trick of not reading one's role-card and just simply posting. Only real way people other than host would notice and/or for it to notably impact the game is if it was like a wolf-chat and teammates complained of a teammate not being there for a whole day phase or something. As a result, I don't think this is necessarily something new this game, and more really something that people can actually observe for once as to whether that sort of thing happens. Either way, no big deal unless someone starts using it maliciously or someone bases a decision mostly on one's entrance to the game. Would've been ideal if the host had ensured verification had occurred, but its too late now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:38 am Can I safely expect to be thoroughly licked?

I've been enjoying the completely random and ridiculous comments in this game so far. This and Tutuu's drink comment have made me chuckle a fair bit.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:59 am I appreciate both Rico and Scotty engaging with my takes on Vivax.

I don't really seem to vibe with your vivax posts, and after thinking on it I think my biggest issue is how is that....necessarily scummy? Like what makes it such that a town would be unlikely to have that sort of progression or thought? Idk, just make it clearer somehow. I don't really see Vivax as anything atm.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:09 pm I'm getting noseitches about Scotty.

First he pushes a sus on SVS - at the time (#153) it seemed to come off tutuu's own doubts, but upon revisit it seems it wasn't a sheep moment - of which the reasoning comes off flat.
Then he pushes on Vivax of off JJJ's case - and it felt like a coast; or I would have rather imagined Scotty could have come up with his own take, separately.

I had a bit of back-and-forth and double-checking of facts on this one. Initially I vibed with the generalized suspicion of Scotty here (more-so the second argument), and so I liked Rico for that as it seemed people had mostly unexplained TRs of Scotty, but upon research and seeing Scotty's response to this I'd say I don't really find Scotty scummy -- just not particularly towny. I still feel like liking Rico here a bit though, in part due to that initial feeling and the post before the quoted one here.

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:14 pm [VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

Self pres vote.

I‘m afraid I‘m still rather clueless but it‘s fine.

I quite like the last line there. Tonally good but also I feel as wolf they would be pressured to make some sort of analysis over their situation in order to start digging out of the hole they perceive themselves to be in.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:52 pm Piles are alphabetical.

Something or another seems town
[snip]

No reason to town read
[snip]

you lied, they are not alphabetical

how could you

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:31 pm Is this a town post ? It‘s wifomy but the last sentence tastes bad.

I have a cognitive habit of thinking critically semi-constantly. So much so that I've actually had to dial it back in recent months otherwise I will start thinking critically of myself as a player in general and that's no good. The last statement in there is me just sharing one of those generalized critical thoughts, most of the time they're in the background.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:47 pm im not too worried yet, there are more than 24 hours left. hopefully people do start seeing me as town but if not - theres only so much i can do. im quite happy with my solving this game, this is more than the usual amount of effort and/or seriousness i put in

Speaking of, I think its a good policy to not chop the highest poster on d1. Seems to have worked reasonably well for me in the past.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:24 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:23 pm Martin too to some extent but in his case I‘m more concerned with the perfectionism of the post I quoted that rubbed me the wrong way cause it seemed a tad manipulative/superficially shiny.
i think its relevant to note that martin has aspergers and his tone is very normal for good ol' martin, re: perfectionism

Did Alison tell you all how to god read me while I was (mostly) gone from the Syndicate scene? I do appreciate you remember what it (Asperger's) was specifically called but also like I'm wondering if knowing that had anything to do with your town read of me lol. Not that I understand Alison's god read of me from past games long ago. I still don't understand those.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:52 pmAppreciate the honesty.

Uh, what?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:09 pm I desire more Martin.

Martin? Haven't seen him.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:13 pm normally id wait but syndicate games usually low activity and they're slow so i should say this a bit earlier than normal as i reasonably expect to be a big wagon by eod and wanna give the appropriate time for ppl to react and build up new wagons

This has actually been a fair bit more activity than usual for me. Most games I've played in past year or two have had like 25-50% less posts per hour. Surprisingly at this rate the game may be more active than my champs one, though part of that may be due to having 4 more players.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:30 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:27 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:25 pm Roleclaim aside, I don't think tutuu is a good wagon.
yea i dunno what was that all about. i could be biased coz i know im town but. i have had town games where i put 10 times less effort and look 10 times less towny. if im struggling to be perceived as town here then idk how im ever going to be reliably townread when im not trying hard. probably i wouldnt coz i got mischopped last game i was apathic. oh well
My impression is "made the most posts, therefore has the most opportunities to be interpreted as suspicious". Shit happens.

That actually sounds like a good quote. Its like my previous policy of not chopping high posters early on but better. I'm gonna keep it if I can remember it. For my town game and for my wolf game.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:26 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:24 pm You know that isnt what I think
oh i know i just thought its adorable and funny i was going ham on the character sowwy baby porscha im just extra like that. im very over the top. i'm not like other girls

-I do sport (I do a lot of fencing y'all )
-i have nice dark hair
-i'm male
-my name is inigo Montoya
-you killed my father
-prepare to die

I found the last three pointers to be more hilarious than I should've.

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Re: Where'd Martin go?

I decided to let the thread cook while I had my initial input and played Terra Invicta for several hours. After waking up I had to go attend an IRL thing and other stuff such as discovering and listening to God Shattering Star. Then the past ~4-5 hours (keep in mind you all have been making more posts while I've been doing this! >:C) I've been reading the thread and developing this post while I caught up with a stream recording. I'll be around for a few more, if not longer because I'm currently unsure if I'll be able to attend EoD.

Also stuff from like the last few pages I seemed to have glazed over a mild bit. Idk if its because I actually didn't have anything to contribute, or I just got tired of reading stuff from the recent past and then digging into them more.

Tutuu is probably just town. I like the progression here in early d1, in particular with how they came in here with an assertive attitude and yet they still pondered about optimal mech play later on (despite perceived optimal or probable play by certain alignments being part of the basis for their earlier statements). Just not something I do as wolf, and I am going to venture to say other wolves probably don't usually do that either.

The only thing I could question is them reading Lime Coke when Lime Coke posted at a time they weren't even in the discord hub (lol). Felt it was like giving out candy, but I'm writing it off as nothing meaningful.

And sidenote I'm coming into this game with a fairly open mind and I suggest others do too. I still remember that GOC some years ago (which Epi either had input in or made himself) where a 3p inherited the factional kill and that contributed to town losing the game as they thought mafia still existed.

I'm gonna presume very little about this game.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:42 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:38 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:34 pm Now I almost wish I had picked food because this trying to push townreads for this reason somehow bothers me.

I don’t see how wanting to live is inherently bad.
I've shrugged it since basically almost anything on the list contributes to living in some capacity whether that be surviving the day or night

the only one that doesn't quite do that under every circumstance is yours and JJJ's umbrella
its not the same since the wood and flint are useless to the mafia

it says in their description they specifically protect from mafia night kill, not from any kill like a vigilante

u shrugging them off and perceiving them as equal (or least representing that ur doing that) sounds believe to me, looks to me like u town told. enjoy the ride buddy

I disagree, having a protection from the factional night-kill, even as mafia, gives the potentially very useful explanation as to why you didn't meet some very scary friends in the dark.

Although maybe that's not really an issue for the mafia (or whoever it is) early on ig.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:34 pm Now I almost wish I had picked food because this trying to push townreads for this reason somehow bothers me.

I don’t see how wanting to live is inherently bad.

I've shrugged it since basically almost anything on the list contributes to living in some capacity whether that be surviving the day or night

the only one that doesn't quite do that under every circumstance is yours and JJJ's umbrella

[VOTE: Wood] aubergine

guessing wood will have more utility in the future than flint, seems odd to have two different kinds of resources if they both serve the same singular purpose

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