The Syndicate

Well not on Marmot, but with tim that's kinda what I was feeling.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:11 pm I still townread marmot but i am considering voting there just cuz i want ... Like ... I want to be wrong. I want to go against myself and either see how wrong i was on my read, or see i was right and yet chop my correct tr. In both case i get to be wrong and i will ... enjoy that

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

is it wrong that I vibe with tutuu for this

Doesn't know why*

Made wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:41 pm Why are we defending Tutuu and HownnalKat?

"We"?

HAVE YOU NOT READ THEM BEING PUSHED BY A SIZEABLE VOTE COUNT ON D1 AND D2 AT TIMES???????????

smh thread's trying to chop martin but doesn't why its doing it

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:35 pm Seriously note though as I've emphasized time and time again in my iso

Thunal is town for copying their mindset or way of thinking from grasslands

Tutuu is town for scum-reading me for being in some ways illogical (I believe) which town tutuu but aside from that if she's scum she's stepped up her game for d1 but then that looks weird to me because she didn't optimize the eventual Cat flip who had many votes on for a long while

This contains the main stuff I've said on Tutuu + Thunal I believe


Tutuu

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:28 am tl;dr

Tutuu's progression on cat is fishy. Her reasoning for her read was weak and when asked for evidence she couldn't really provide any. She drops the cat defense by townreading Falcon and then starts day 2 voting Falcon after Falcon's c/w flips mafia. She, much like our flipped mafia friend, spends time towards the EOD defending Thunal. The mafia then kill Thunal's biggest adversary in the thread.

I'm not convinced. I personally think tutuu would have harder stances on Cat (either way) presuming she were mafia/of-the-same alignment to make the most out of it.

If I recall she specifically likes power-wolfing (and in one particular game really wanted to protect her teammates) but as town she tends to really make a lot of reads (including wrong ones such as the one on !wolf LC in grasslands). It's only inevitable that at some point that will be on a mafia and I would look to some other standard for possible partner-y interactions such as using multiple flipped mafia as evidence or arguments how her playstyle so far benefits or attempts to benefit the mafia team.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:21 pm Well, I mean, I feel like !wolf Tutuu really has a "teamwork" or "for the team" effort spirit to it. I doubt she would waste an opportunity she could have optimized if she knew the flip of a player that was possibly getting deleted.

Thunal

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:49 am I will also need more than "X could be scum because it's multiball and they can be scumhunting honestly" at all points in this game. Yes, that is a thing to be mindful of, but it is not a case in itself.

hey @Sloonei

it might sound absurd

but it actually feels like that's what town Thunal says or happens to think about many times

or at the very least I get the feeling I recognize their responses and thinking as if they were from the Grasslands game:

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:28 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:10 am My issue isn't the read you're making. My issue is that you're like handing out reads left and right for stuff that (in my view) should be close to NAI, and I don't see evidence of the paranoia I'd expect to see from town there. There's a disparity between the substance of the read and the attitude you have towards it that I think can be plausibly explained by you having NAI on the subject of the read.

This isn't to say that townies can never be paranoid about their townreads early. But I think that kind of confidence comes either from a long history or extensive meta on the person, or because they saw something that they thought was really hard to fake. I don't think you believe that the observations you've made about me are at all hard to fake - which makes me question why the possibility I was faking didn't seem to factor into your analysis.

The possibility the person is faking always does come into my analysis, but it's not exactly good town strategy to hedge every single read I make by saying "This looks good, but they could be faking" or "I like these thoughts, but they could be faking them." It's kind of obvious that it's a possibility so I don't feel the need to actually state it.

(DEAR READER: THE ABOVE QUOTE IS IN A PAST GAME. THANK YOU.)

The only problem I could see is this, but I would argue that since it comes into play with their thinking and analysis so often, its probably difficult to keep a consistent behavior of not stating the obvious. Especially since their recent post here, in this game:

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:42 pm I'm not saying this to defend myself and I'm not even sure if it's AI, I'm just thinking out loud:

I put a lot of thought into my posts as either alignment. I double check things and write things down and make sure my tone isn't wrong or forced. It feels restrictive but I do it anyway since I don't want to be in the PoE and I hate being yeeted. Turbos and video mafia feel more freeing since I can actually be myself without having to look at my posts under a microscope since I don't have the time to do that. Maybe I should stop overanalyzing my posts, I don't know, but I'm not sure if I'm willing to accept the downturn in results I think will come from that. I like being a good player and I want to be a better player, I take this game seriously especially in the long forum format. I just wish that the best strategy was to be myself but from experience I don't think it is. I'll try not to overthink quite as much, I guess, but I don't know what will come from that.

Suggests trying to be open with all of their thoughts and that IMO their tone was overall good here, though not to a clearing degree.

Not to mention, them "not stating the obvious" was actually the clear cause of them getting into a TvT for said Grasslands game. (<- Link to a huge post about it)

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:37 pm Not to mention this game COULD be multi-ball and hence they may feel more need to say it than before.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:19 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:04 pm so like lots of people talking about my thunal vote but not many people telling me their thoughts on thunal

@dyachei, I hope you will look at this. It goes into a bit how I feel like they're town Thunal.

Now, with regards to what you've said:

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:07 pm thunal in every game you've towned in that I've seen, you've had a solving spark. in this game you're pretty dull so far

it's concerning and I don't think game type matters

I'm not sure if a "solving spark" is a good enough thing to look into. I mean its a big vague as it doesn't seem to specify if it is looking at, for example, motivation or just the happenstance of actually solving people. Or if its simply gut feeling.

I would disagree with motivation, I feel like they're motivated a fair bit even though they as of late have said they're demotivated.

Additionally, "not solving people" I think they may be more inclined to actually do that more often as mafia unless they're 3p. Reason being that by extension knowing you're a factional evil and all the other evils in your faction, regardless if there is multiball, means anyone who's not you or your buddies is more likely to be town than it is for any town who's unaware of everything.

Not to mention, this has 27 players in it. you could presumably throw out a strong town-read or two and get away with it without boxing oneself in.

If this "solving spark" refers to something else, please let me know.

I probably have a bunch more stuff I've said in my ISO about them, but this is what I have off the top of my head.

Seriously note though as I've emphasized time and time again in my iso

Thunal is town for copying their mindset or way of thinking from grasslands

Tutuu is town for scum-reading me for being in some ways illogical (I believe) which town tutuu but aside from that if she's scum she's stepped up her game for d1 but then that looks weird to me because she didn't optimize the eventual Cat flip who had many votes on for a long while

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:31 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:31 pm

MartinGG99
7
21%
Voters: hollowkatt, tedxtr, Master Radishes, Justplayingitcool, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Hyena, Timsup2nothin


Timsup2nothin
7
21%
Voters: MacDougall, Marmot, Made, tutuu, MartinGG99, Sloonei, nutella

neat

just remember tutuu + Thunal (now HK) are town

Oh yeah how do you know this?

that's why I'm being deleted

lol

I wonder when people are going to point out that I haven't self-voted

and then I will say no u and read the rules

MartinGG99
7
21%
Voters: hollowkatt, tedxtr, Master Radishes, Justplayingitcool, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Hyena, Timsup2nothin


Timsup2nothin
7
21%
Voters: MacDougall, Marmot, Made, tutuu, MartinGG99, Sloonei, nutella

neat

just remember tutuu + Thunal (now HK) are town

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:15 pm Nobody ever ats me with cases when I ask.

@Jackofhearts2005

I don't know any cases completely off the top of my head but I'm indicted with allegations of TMI on Tutuu and Thunal33/Hollowkatt being town

Made wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:14 pm was the 112 wagon always there or am I losing it?

it recently appeared

which is kinda why I don't mind dying as well as my past statements

I'm going to be a consensus topic on D3 very often unless I get proven one way or another

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:05 pm what is this apparent associative opposite-worlds read regarding martin and timothy

because I predict that's how town will take it

quite a few notables have been on the line about whether I am actually town or not

I'm fairly sure any wagonomics world I'm in it'll be seen a V/W or W/W

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:04 pm Tim can take care of himself so don't worry about the second one...but I suspect that when I flip villager you are gonna have a very hard day three.

What makes you so sure I won't be, for example, delay vigg'ed?

(I think its fairly obvious that I probably die N2/D3 if Tim flips villa though)

I'm curious what happens to me if tim flips wolf

and what happens to tim when I flip villager

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:53 pm Now I just want to vote you again

Do I look like I care?

never read a tim before so there's that too

as compared to tutuu and thunal whom I've read both before

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:51 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:51 pm Can someone tell me how long the tim wagon existed?

A few seconds.

[VOTE: Tim] aubergine

Perhaps I was reading him on tone or smthn.

I see in my notes he's town but....

Maybe he isn't?

Can someone tell me how long the tim wagon existed?

Since I can't self-vote, might as well vote one of the cws, namely one that Mac pushed iirc

Made wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:40 pm Oooo martin's voting me now!

Hi martin!!

hi

curious to see how this EoD2 goes since the thread is more "lets not delete martin for TMI suspicions" and less "OMG HE HAS TMI ON TUTUU AND THUNAL!!!" earlier this week

And yet these 3 wagons are so close but I already came to terms with my own deletion

Or Nanook.

Kinda don't care which tbh.

feels like forever since I last did a vote [VOTE: Made] aubergine

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:21 pm I have almost doubled my postcount from when I joined the game. When am I post count clear? I need a goal people.

for you to me its 0

I believed in Thunal33 (assuming you're her replacement) was town for most of D1

okay I am here

hi all I took the pause to do absolutely nothing productive

I'll be here later but I wanted to quickly note here for some reason someone thought I was hinting that deleting me would give out useful information based on my role

and I want to clarify I wasn't; only that if I were flipped and for some reason that information became useful then people would know that I targeted Falcon45ca.

So once again I appreciate and it ironically makes me happy (rather than angry) to be day-killed for TMI suspicions

but I hope you all will realize Tutuu + Thunal are likely town slots and maybe the rest of my reads are somewhat correct as well

Goodnight everyone.

Anyways I gotta go do homework for Mental Abuse To Humans so I can't do much else; especially when I got other stuff starting tomorrow as well as classes.

I likely won't be here again before EoD.

So assuming I didn't get deleted today, maybe I would've attracted a night-kill in the night.

I was falsely hinting earlier about murdering Syn as having KP (I don't), but I figured I was probably a more disposable role since it has the unusual inability to not communicate to whoever it targets.

Oh and I should note my role was used on Falcon45ca on N1. I won't claim what my role is or what it is named, but when I flip and if people wonder what I did then that's what I did.

112 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:53 pm I'm not really buying that you're null on all those people. No read on MR, nute, Made and Marmot?

You don't have to buy it now. Buy it later when I'm dead.

Sloonei feels like he could be suspicious because I feel like at the time he voted me, that was the exact time-frame that I was attacked for by other people I think

which makes me paranoid if he was mafia then he could be using BTSC to point out a vulnerability in my defense and get me smited

Anyways I do feel like Falcon45ca should be chopped at some point cuz I find no value in him what-so-ever.

The gifs and jokes that encompassed most of D1 doesn't appease me. Nanook & JustPlayingItCool both stand out to me because if memory serves correctly they've been on quite a few trains I did not like and it makes me wonder if that's intentional or just coincidence.

(You might have to fact-check me on this though)

Syn I may just be biased in wanting to get rid of him but apparently some people think it was v/v between me and him and while I don't have all the time in the world to look into that I do wonder if one of them, if syn is a wolf, was a partner suggesting that.

Oh and there's supposed to be a # next to TSP.

Martin's Reads!
(Don't read into the colorfulness please)

Mini-legend:
* - ** - *** : Low - Medium - High confidence (Low confidence = likely to move up or down in reads)
# : Significant lack of investigation by me into this player

Town
Town Lean
Null
Scum-lean
Scum

112*
Alison***
DrWilgy*#
Dyslexicon ** (sorta #)
falcon45ca **
Hyena*
JackofHearts2005 ** #
JustPlayingitcool **
Kylemii *
Long Con* (sorta #)
MacDougall **
Made*
Marmot ** #
Master Radishes***#
Michelle*#
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME ***
nutella **
Sloonei **
Syn*
tedxtr*#
Thunal33***
Timsup2nothin**
TonyStarkPrime **
tutuu **


I guess this is the best summary I can do of how I feel on my reads? I can't really write a wall about absolutely everyone since I haven't investigated everyone especially with my limited time here.

Well not insult but lol

Uh, thanks for the insult?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:03 pm Martin is never towny so he's probs just mafia for being towny

LOL

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:39 pm Group 1

TurnipHead
Long Con
Made
Hyena
Timsup2nothin
Sloonei
Syn
Thunal33
DrWilgy

Group 2

falcon45ca
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Master Radishes
112
MacDougall
Alison

Group 3

tutuu
Kylemii
TonyStarkPrime
Michelle
JackofHearts2005

Maybe this is more useful in the future @MacDougall (removed Cat and Sig/Dya), because that seems interesting to do while I figure out my reads list.

If I had to make one of these groups immune from deletion for a day, its really hard to guess which one because I really want to protect tutuu but honestly everyone else in group #3 there is someone I don't really know about and Michelle I only had a town-lean on for a single word use rather than anything in-depth.

Group 2 I probably always never protect. Aside from Mac, no one in there is a strong contender of being town to me.

And then there's group 1. It's also appealing in some ways, I mean I feel like Tim and Thunal33 are likely towns along with some possible wolves in there such as Hyena or Sloonei (maybe Syn but apparently some people think he's v/v with me) but if I were to protect group #3 then I imagine group #2 and #1 going at each other is basically the status quo after I'm dead even if I protected no one.

Final answer would probably be group #3 to protect though from what I've seen so far because I feel like that covers less possible wolves and given that we found mafia on d1 I believe in the towns to show they're town after my flip and reads and not get deleted.

Was looking back at my ISO to regurgitate my notes and

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:09 am Martin's content quality and activity < Anyone else's content quality and activity

its almost funny reading this cuz in someways its the opposite and that's the exact reason I'm being executed here lol

Can't do that at the same time that I'm creating what I think, anyways.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:46 pm it's too bad the martin godreader is a 3p who vowed not to help solve

Yeah ikr

but I wanted to interact with people who might've wanted to interact with me

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:44 pm if you're town and i fail to find you as town by the end of the day im sorry martin

its ok at least they aren't deleting you and if we assume my death is unavoidable now then I would do it all over again regardless of everyone's alignment.

This game has been quite enjoyable so far, and I really hope and believe I am right on you and Thunal. (Not too sure about Thunal considering replacement mention but I'm not going to go into that more considering some sites might have ethics against discussing it)

I already feel like I've achieved more than I did in past games; that somehow my skill has improved. If it hasn't and I was wrong somewhere, then this will be a great experience to learn from that.

Also weren't you supposed to do other stuffs >:(
(I'm not mad lol)

Oh and @Sloonei

I would love to hear an explanation from you on D3 once I'm dead as to why you were the first voter on me, and not only that, but kept your vote on me several hours before people started popping up on me.

Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:38 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:36 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:34 pm know mafia's wincon. There's no way you could know that. it's not public info

Did you just slip that I correctly guessed the wincon?

See, this "slip" business is crap.

I mean you've been very careful to say when you've been assuming things, then you say something that is confirmed (how mafia was confirmed) in the same sentence where you talk about something that's not confirmed. You said it like you didn't know the wincon wasn't confirmed

But people were talking to me using hypotheses (or reads) of large mafia teams....

Anyways the logic is convoluted to explain and I need to do other things.

Like (anit-)spewing, apparently.

Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:34 pm know mafia's wincon. There's no way you could know that. it's not public info

Did you just slip that I correctly guessed the wincon?

See, this "slip" business is crap.

(Or, more preferably, don't worry about that at all)

Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:22 pm ...is no one seeing the slip? We don't know mafia's wincon here

Well everyone tells me Mafia is being typical here.

So I had to assume it was the most common win-condition I've seen in the past when making that argument.

But its pointless and you should be worrying about that post-flip.