The Syndicate

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:43 am

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:38 am how do I do the banners thing? I won some games here but idk how to showcase those.

that banner looks cool btw

I download the image, upload it to imgur, and copy that link. Then go to the user control panel, find your signature, then it's [.spoiler][.img]bannerlink ...close your tags, save your signature, voila

(Take the periods out of the tags obviously!)

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:43 am

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:38 am how do I do the banners thing? I won some games here but idk how to showcase those.

that banner looks cool btw

I download the image, upload it to imgur, and copy that link. Then go to the user control panel, find your signature, then it's [.spoiler][.img]bannerlink ...close your tags, save your signature, voila

(Take the periods out of the tags obviously!)

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:41 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:12 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:51 am

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:49 am

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:14 am GG.

Thanks for carrying, team. My reads were pretty awful but the game was fun.

I remember talking about the idea I'd save something for postgame. It was @ DaisyCloud actually. None of the things I did in this game were intended to make you feel bad. Don't know if you have any hard feelings or not.

it's all good bro.

what happens in a TvM stays in a TvM.


wait, mafia game*

I keep forgetting u guys don't call them TvMs.

What does TvM stand for? Looks like town vs mafia? Which doesn’t make sense in this context

yes it is. to me it makes sense? I do try very hard to not hold grudges in mafia games iirc I say I might get salty post game but I rarely do. there has been a few games where things went to far. not this one though. and never in this community.

hosts and mods never asked me anything nor said anything to me about anything in this game. nor did I ask them or communicated to them that I thought things went to far. I thought about it when I was called a douche, but I didn't because I knew that Gavial was reading me wrong.

idk what to do about my AtE. since my first game I had people talk about how I have alot of AtE. maybe I word things wrong. and I do get genuinely confused about things alot and ask alot of questions. to me I feel like I follow through when someone answers them. and if someone ignores it I make note of it. if thdy weren't rhetorical questions then I ask again. maybe I pressure people wrong too. I hope I wasn't to agrivating to everyone. I like playing games here.

TvM= Town vs Mafia

iirc I used these other 2 acronyms and peeps had no idea what I meant too:

vtl= vote to lynch

vtnl= vote to not lynch

Oh ok, I said it out loud and determined if I use the full phrase as a subject it is just a type of game. Makes sense.
Sorta like how PoE makes no sense as a noun, but it’s just accepted as such.

As for the AtE,
In general I would say if you’re not actively feeling belittled, put down or just plain taking offense to something in thread, then everything is hunky dory. I have a lot of faith in this community that if the games go down that route, the resources are there to settle it.
I enjoy playing with you- and I chalk up the perceived AtE as your playstyle. I would objectively say if you post in the moment you can have a more feeling-type approach. And that’s fine, but it can also grind someone’s gears if they are playing a more blunt, direct game. Playstyles are different and I appreciate that aspect of the game- it’s a social one after all.

Name calling is generally looked down upon in any game, and can come out in these games in tense moments, but if no one feels personally attacked by them, that’s the game. I think my personal gripe against AtE is not knowing if it is genuine or faked for angleshooty reasons. It’s a perception thing and makes everyone not involved feel bad if they don’t know what to do. Like if your parents are fighting over something that doesn’t relate to you, but you’re stuck in the car with them. Mafia games can feel personal sometimes, and (‘specially in me not knowing you) AtE makes me want to turn the other way if used excessively.


That’s my view anyway

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:51 am

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:49 am

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:14 am GG.

Thanks for carrying, team. My reads were pretty awful but the game was fun.

I remember talking about the idea I'd save something for postgame. It was @ DaisyCloud actually. None of the things I did in this game were intended to make you feel bad. Don't know if you have any hard feelings or not.

it's all good bro.

what happens in a TvM stays in a TvM.


wait, mafia game*

I keep forgetting u guys don't call them TvMs.

What does TvM stand for? Looks like town vs mafia? Which doesn’t make sense in this context

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:14 am GG.

Thanks for carrying, team. My reads were pretty awful but the game was fun.

I remember talking about the idea I'd save something for postgame. It was @ DaisyCloud actually. None of the things I did in this game were intended to make you feel bad. Don't know if you have any hard feelings or not.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:21 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:16 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:14 pm Well, that was super fun. My first ever 3P rand and I think I did all there was for me to do...just misread the last wolf.

you played it very well!! you almost won! actually you was town vig right? so u did win!

LOL...yeah well I did almost as mush for the town as the town did put together...but there's no such thing as "moral victory." I had a narrow path and could not afford that one bad read.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:14 pm Well, that was super fun. My first ever 3P rand and I think I did all there was for me to do...just misread the last wolf.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:35 pm After Radiohead, I wanted to make a game where the mafia team had a shared pool of abilities, rather than everyone being assigned their own ability. I'd also just kind of always wanted to run a general Elder Scrolls themed game, and the idea for shrines jumped out naturally to me as a thematic fit for that mechanic. And I liked it so much that I decided it worked for the whole game.

I wanted to make it another game that blended the old school syndicate style of playing without relying on claims with the newer trends centered around playing with claims. There were both direct and indirect claim deterrents. The Razor was obviously a direct deterrent. Indirectly, there were so many abilities out there, and so many of them only incidentally useful, that the potential benefit of claiming was relatively limited unless the information was very pertinent. Players would be receiving some information on their own, but it would not really be useful enough to necessitate sharing on its own. And then there were also a lot of abilities repeated across both alignments, just to muddy the waters a little bit more. The game was a bit convoluted by design.

Syn's role was the only one that I felt could have been exploited to be more powerful than it was intended, but that was nullified some because he was killed the instant he claimed it, so maybe it really wasn't all that powerful in the end.

I felt like the game played out well and everyone had a fair shot at winning. I welcome feedback.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:12 pm Yay! We grinded it out. I wish Tim would have won it with us.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:07 pm Just in case this tim thing doesn't work out, I need a shrine name please.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:02 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:00 pm

Night 7



Kylemii has been killed. He was the Altmer Noble, a member of the Order of the Revenant. The Artifacts Volendrung and Mehrunes' Razor have been destroyed.

Spoiler: show

Role: Altmer Noble
Race: Altmer
Alignment: Mafia
Designated Shrines: Boethiah, Hircine, Namira, Sanguine, Sheogorath

• Hermaeus Mora - You may target a role in the game to learn one ability available to that role. You will learn which Shrine the ability is accessed at, but you will not be told which player the role belongs to or whether or not the ability has been accessed during the game at any point.

• Hircine - You may target a player to learn what Shrine they visit that Night.

• Mephala - You may target a player to send them an anonymous message (via the Host) that Night. You may not identify yourself in any way, violate any rules, or compel your target to violate any rules. Your message may otherwise contain any content pending Host approval.

• Namira - You may target a player to reduce their vote’s value to 0 the following Day. They will be unaware of this curse.

• Nocturnal - You may target a player to make them undetectable to all night actions that Night.

• Sanguine - You may target a player to learn who, if anyone, they target that Night.

• Sheogorath - Chaos.

You may not visit the same shrine twice during any 3-night span. For example, if you visit Sheogorath’s Shrine on Night 1, you may not access it again until Night 4.

The Mafia team has been eliminated. The Rogue remains active.
It is Day 8. You have 48 hours to eliminate somebody.

@Sloonei how come Boethiah is listed as one of his shrines but it doesn't give us info on it?


also

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:03 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:56 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:40 pm Daisy I’m with you, Tim seems decently outed and there’s not much to do about that. But consider this: we have six players, so assuming no shenanigans, we always have two chops whether we chop today or sleep today. Sleeping today, since we have the most players alive today, gives us the most info and allows us to potentially save ourselves from making a bad chop.

But we’re always gonna chop Tim, why don’t we just do it now?

Simple. If we chop Tim now and he flips town someone comes back with a red check tomorrow, we won’t know whether or not we can believe them. It puts us in a precarious position and we likely will have to make a decision. But if we sleep today and someone has a red check tonight, they effectively limit the Poe to two: themselves and the checkee.

see that part i bolded and underlined?

u can't get infos if there is no lynch.

tin foil: u r the 3rd party and you win by nks only? and there is a particular player you have to nk but you haven't done it yet?


sorry I don't see your logic in the last part either.. I only bolder it.

so if nothing happens tonight and I am not nked then we have my check of the Molag Bal's champion... I think I have it available tonight? not sure. iirc I can't use it until tomorrow night.

I pmed Sloonei and JaggedJimmyJay this mother about it as I am bad at maths and idk if it is a a tonight or not. ..

if someone else has a check ability. they can check out me or tim.



honestly, if it is not Tim then idk who it can possibly be.


he is some merchant vig? and according to mechanics kills could have easily been done by peeps other then him?



only thing I don't get is last nite. why kill kyle?

like, does get me wrong glad mafia is dead, and they lost... but most peeps town read him.

I don't think Kyle withheld his nk either.. so even though Kyle died, shouldn't his kill been successful?

did Vulgard do some jailor/bus driver shenanigans?

We get info at night that we wouldn’t get otherwise.

The idea is that a red check means that either the person with the check on them is a wolf or the person doing the checking is the wolf. There’s no other option. And at that point we have two chops, so we always win

Why kill Kyle: who knows who cares

it's important to know who and why though.

tim doesn't claim the kill.

tim supposedly claims vig, but with extra steps.

if 3rd party isn't sk then who?


why did tim go to Molag's shrine? if he is a merchant trying to get extra cash then why there? for pieces of scrolls?

only person who would be there be who? the 3rd party? so just 1 piece? doesn't tim need several tho? not just 1?

would mafia need to go there to do a kill?


if tim is town and went there to do a kill then what happened?

so,, who was tim trying to kill? iirc Kyle didn’t sus tim. if tim was 3rd party then why go and kill kyle?


did Vulgard mess around with people and their nite actions,?

imho, I think the person(s) with the ability to get a result that let's them know if someone is 3rd party or not, and literally only 3rd party is left, then they r more important then a tracker.










if tim is town, then 3rd party killed Kyle the mafia. so who did Kyle sus? did Kyle say who he thought so and so was the 3rd party? Kyle was a member of mafia but he needed to get rid of the 3rd party too and support 3rd party could have killed mafia. he may not have neccesarily lied to us in regards to this.

if we choose not to lynch or we do lynch but we are wrong, this will be first nite phase with no mafia... what if the 3rd party now gets multiple kills or will get day kills? don't @ me saying that can't happen. I have seen it.

what if 3rd party wins if we go 1 day without a lynch? don't but daisy me here either. that is a possible wincon.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:00 pm

Night 7



Kylemii has been killed. He was the Altmer Noble, a member of the Order of the Revenant. The Artifacts Volendrung and Mehrunes' Razor have been destroyed.

Spoiler: show

Role: Altmer Noble
Race: Altmer
Alignment: Mafia
Designated Shrines: Boethiah, Hircine, Namira, Sanguine, Sheogorath

• Hermaeus Mora - You may target a role in the game to learn one ability available to that role. You will learn which Shrine the ability is accessed at, but you will not be told which player the role belongs to or whether or not the ability has been accessed during the game at any point.

• Hircine - You may target a player to learn what Shrine they visit that Night.

• Mephala - You may target a player to send them an anonymous message (via the Host) that Night. You may not identify yourself in any way, violate any rules, or compel your target to violate any rules. Your message may otherwise contain any content pending Host approval.

• Namira - You may target a player to reduce their vote’s value to 0 the following Day. They will be unaware of this curse.

• Nocturnal - You may target a player to make them undetectable to all night actions that Night.

• Sanguine - You may target a player to learn who, if anyone, they target that Night.

• Sheogorath - Chaos.

You may not visit the same shrine twice during any 3-night span. For example, if you visit Sheogorath’s Shrine on Night 1, you may not access it again until Night 4.

The Mafia team has been eliminated. The Rogue remains active.
It is Day 8. You have 48 hours to eliminate somebody.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:03 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:56 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:40 pm @Daisy I’m with you, Tim seems decently outed and there’s not much to do about that. But consider this: we have six players, so assuming no shenanigans, we always have two chops whether we chop today or sleep today. Sleeping today, since we have the most players alive today, gives us the most info and allows us to potentially save ourselves from making a bad chop.

But we’re always gonna chop Tim, why don’t we just do it now?

Simple. If we chop Tim now and he flips town someone comes back with a red check tomorrow, we won’t know whether or not we can believe them. It puts us in a precarious position and we likely will have to make a decision. But if we sleep today and someone has a red check tonight, they effectively limit the Poe to two: themselves and the checkee.

@



see that part i bolded and underlined?

u can't get infos if there is no lynch.

tin foil: u r the 3rd party and you win by nks only? and there is a particular player you have to nk but you haven't done it yet?


sorry I don't see your logic in the last part either.. I only bolder it.

so if nothing happens tonight and I am not nked then we have my check of the Molag Bal's champion... I think I have it available tonight? not sure. iirc I can't use it until tomorrow night.

I pmed Sloonei and JaggedJimmyJay this mother about it as I am bad at maths and idk if it is a a tonight or not. ..

if someone else has a check ability. they can check out me or tim.



honestly, if it is not Tim then idk who it can possibly be.


he is some merchant vig? and according to mechanics kills could have easily been done by peeps other then him?



only thing I don't get is last nite. why kill kyle?

like, does get me wrong glad mafia is dead, and they lost... but most peeps town read him.

I don't think Kyle withheld his nk either.. so even though Kyle died, shouldn't his kill been successful?

did Vulgard do some jailor/bus driver shenanigans?

@

We get info at night that we wouldn’t get otherwise.

The idea is that a red check means that either the person with the check on them is a wolf or the person doing the checking is the wolf. There’s no other option. And at that point we have two chops, so we always win

Why kill Kyle: who knows who cares

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:40 pm Daisy I’m with you, Tim seems decently outed and there’s not much to do about that. But consider this: we have six players, so assuming no shenanigans, we always have two chops whether we chop today or sleep today. Sleeping today, since we have the most players alive today, gives us the most info and allows us to potentially save ourselves from making a bad chop.

But we’re always gonna chop Tim, why don’t we just do it now?

Simple. If we chop Tim now and he flips town someone comes back with a red check tomorrow, we won’t know whether or not we can believe them. It puts us in a precarious position and we likely will have to make a decision. But if we sleep today and someone has a red check tonight, they effectively limit the Poe to two: themselves and the checkee.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:16 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:22 pm we can lynch tim. if he flips town.. then

tonight I will check Vulgard, Tony, or lc

lc goes to same shrine as me so if I die we still get my result.

gavial tracks or watches any one of us.

tony does? idk still confuded on what he can do.

vulgard can stay home or jail Tony. iirc being jailed results in the player being rbed and protected from nk.


idk why we should not try to lynch someone today. why delay the game more?

No don’t do any of this

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:16 pm Daisy I need you to be in the same thread as me at some point so I can walk you through this

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:18 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 12:22 pm not sure why some players think rhe 3rd party can win with us... unless the 3rd party has to kill a particular player or race or something. if they r exe....

could it be possible? maybe but I never heard of an exe thst could kill at nite. if this game was being played in my discord community I would believe it. we like mixing roles and modifying them.


think this 3rd party is sk.

think it's tim. maybe Vulgard.

if not them then I'm going with lc or Tony.

omg, I swear if im in final 3 with gavial I'm yeeting him. and I gonna believe I got the negative bol's champion because he is immune to checks or something.

if gavial is town then okay my bad

Only do that if it isn’t Tim with us.
I’ll take the loss if it’s any of LC/Vulgard/TSP.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:01 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 12:22 pm not sure why some players think rhe 3rd party can win with us... unless the 3rd party has to kill a particular player or race or something. if they r exe....

could it be possible? maybe but I never heard of an exe thst could kill at nite. if this game was being played in my discord community I would believe it. we like mixing roles and modifying them.


think this 3rd party is sk.

think it's tim. maybe Vulgard.

if not them then I'm going with lc or Tony.

omg, I swear if im in final 3 with gavial I'm yeeting him. and I gonna believe I got the negative bol's champion because he is immune to checks or something.

if gavial is town then okay my bad

Daisy you just named the entire town

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:55 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:44 am

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:39 am tony should tell us what he's been up too.

Chaos
Shegorath
No Action
Chaos
No action
Found out info about Vulgard
No action

And I think one of those no actions I might have done something worthless but I don’t remember what

Yet you don’t have Tim tell you their actions?
Smh.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:32 am Didn't you say that whoever does the SK nightkill or whatever needs to visit Molag Bal? If Daisy's check on Tim is to be believed, then he's exactly the 3p here.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:38 am

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:10 pm @Gavial you went to namira last nite what did u do?

I also went to Namira last night. Daisy, you gave me two options, and I had been to Mephala the night before.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:15 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:13 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:07 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:05 pm tony should I just say?

Yes you should...and yes I am here intermittently. I'm reading the thread.

tim i know where u went. it was Molag Bal's shrine. why did u go there tim?

that isn't a nice shrine tim. that is the 3rd party shrine tim.

the never ending quest for coins...and yes someone was there besides me because I got coins

I might have to say I don't believe you, old chum. I have the notion that there's no coins at all somewhere in the back of my head.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:06 pm Actually we will just confirm tonight.
@Long Con
@TonyStarkPrime

Do either of you have a Nocturnal or Hircate shrine?

I don't "have" shrines like most of you. I can go to any shrine I like.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:43 am the question of "where did kyle's shot go" is still sorta illusory but I guess he shot into LC and it got eaten. he might have intended to frame there the day after.

Kyle may well have withheld the shot in order to do the frame, which would have the same result as targeting me. I think Kyle would be a crafty shot-withholder though.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:54 am Now I'm reasonably certain that we have about 12 different ways to mech lock everything tonight but give me a bit of time to work everything out. @Vulgard and @Long Con let me know what abilities you have tonight if you have any that are useful. Tim, let me know what you need w.r.t. coins.

LOL

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:50 am Who's the optimal yeet in that case? LC? Would be funny if I blocked him, thought I cleared him, then had to yeet him anyway for mech reasons.

There's no damn way I'm the "optimal yeet".

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:17 am if anyone has been withholdings of infos it's been tony and lc.

lc did talk about his actions/results but vaguely.

I haven't withheld anything; I merely have nothing to present. For absolutely all intents and purposes, I'm vanilla town.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 10:19 pm

Night 6



Scotty has been killed. He was Fargoth, the Woof Elf Commoner.

Spoiler: show

Role: Wood Elf Commoner
AKA: Fargoth
Race: Bosmer
Alignment: Town
Available Shrines: Clavicus Vile, Hircine, Meridia, Namira, Nocturnal, Sheogorath

• Clavicus Vile - You may target a player to learn what race their role is.

• Hircine - If Hircine’s Champion is killed by any means other than Mehrune’s Razor on a Night when you are accessing Hircine’s Shrine, you will inherit the Cuirass of the Savior’s Hide. Additionally, twice during the game while you are visiting the Shrine of Hircine, you may perform a nightkill. If you kill Hircine’s Champion with this ability, the Cuirass will be destroyed and you will be forbidden from accessing Hircine’s Shrine again. You will be roleblocked the following Night if you kill a member of the Town team with either of your shots.

• Meridia - If you are nightkilled while accessing Meridia’s Shrine, you can leave a Last Will in the form of one on-topic post during the Day immediately following your death.

• Namira - You may target a player to make them undetectable to all night actions that Night.

• Nocturnal - You may target a player to learn what Shrine they access that Night.

• Sheogorath - Chaos.

You may not visit the same shrine twice during any 3-night span. For example, if you visit Sheogorath’s Shrine on Night 1, you may not access it again until Night 4.

It is Day 7. You have ~48 hours to eliminate somebody.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:45 am

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:36 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:22 am

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:09 am I think scotty was right about 3rd party needs to kill a certain race. or a particular player. I think it's me.

actually I just cut that part of my claim out.

daisy it would be very good for the town if you got night killed if you think this is the case you should reveal this info

are you the 3rd party? is that why you wanna know?

I have no interest in knowing, I’m telling you that if you think it would make it good for the town to share this then you should share it.