The Syndicate

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:15 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:14 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:14 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:06 pm unless the statement in question is whether i know Tim on more than just 'a basic level'

"is tim the type of player to invent a role for himself?" he asks, after sweeping town based on tim inventing a role for himself

when did this happen

stardew valley hydra

<note to self>

When making up claims, make up a claim that can talk, it makes it easier.

Though not as effective in the end.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:27 pm Tim probably killed Kyle because they were obvious town despite being scum.
Legit Kyle’s visit to Marmot and Marmot scum made me go from a “sceptical” read on Kyle to an “Obvious town” one.

Actually I had Kyle as "town but not towny enough to match kills with the wolf." Also was expecting a vig shot from town so I was trying to shoot in the midrange. If I had read Scotty's flip I'd have known there was no vig and just shot you. My bad.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:35 pm oh dang. tim could have won if we let him kill 1 more time.

@Timsup2nothin ♡♡♡

I'm sorry I voted to lynch u.

I would have let u kill me tonight. u should have said.

it was fun playing with u. it seemed like you chose to help town. thanks for choosing town.

This was sweet, but I would have had to recharge my mace.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:16 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:14 pm Well, that was super fun. My first ever 3P rand and I think I did all there was for me to do...just misread the last wolf.

you played it very well!! you almost won! actually you was town vig right? so u did win!

LOL...yeah well I did almost as mush for the town as the town did put together...but there's no such thing as "moral victory." I had a narrow path and could not afford that one bad read.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:15 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:14 pm Well, that was super fun. My first ever 3P rand and I think I did all there was for me to do...just misread the last wolf.

was that really your first 3p???

Yeah it was. I was really excited!!! Had to actively tone down so people wouldn't think I was wolfing day one.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:14 pm And Tim, I was saying in spec chat if you had come clean about your role immediately after Kyle was shot i feel like you would have had a smoother time getting your win con.

Though maybe not.

Nah, you were just the real town vig and did well in that role

To get my win con at that point I would have had to talk town into gathering at a shrine to charge up my mace and letting me kill someone. I think town would have said "or we just chop you and end it without risk." I know what I'd do as town there.

Well, that was super fun. My first ever 3P rand and I think I did all there was for me to do...just misread the last wolf.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:49 am Tim I need like all of the information and not just the helpful stuff

That's all I've got. I can go to nay shrine, any time...no three day wait, nothin'. But all the shrines are just shrines and they don't do anything in particular for me. I get septims (coin of the realm) based on how many other people are at the shrine I visit...and that's it unless I collect enough to buy a writ. Writs are cool, because the Morag Tong always comes through...if the kill is blocked or something they just will kill the target the next night. Unfortunately, as the number of players shrank my ability to get coins fell with it so I only got to use it once.

So, yeah...death of a salesman if that's what you think you need to do. I think you have a pretty solid POE, logically, so just work our way through it.

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:58 pm Also Tim said they went to the shrine to get coins.
What does coins even do? What’s the point of getting them and what are the other shrine options?
Tim refuses to answer these questions.
Therefore Tim is Scum.

@Timsup2gettinserious
@Timsup2gettinserious

Coins buy writs, and writs get people assassinated. Ask Mac.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:01 pm Now, the question becomes what’s the best use of night actions. I’m still not 100 percent sure, I have a little more digging to do. A few more questions:

@Gavial can you tell me what all of your shrines do? I have a general idea but I’m looking for some specifics on tracks/watches.

@Timsup2nothin pls claim stuff

@Long Con i have a basic idea of how your power works, but can you say it again for me? The thread is long and I’m looking for an easier solution

I have no particularly useful abilities for the situation at hand. If you want to know how many people go to a particular shrine I can get a headcount at any shrine you want. At a guess the 3P is lying abiut where they go at night since they are probably going to Molag Ball every night. I've gone twice and gotten one coin each time.

Well, my internet got sacrificed to the Daedra, but has recovered. I assume Tony has a plan to mech lock the win here? And I'm guessing it involves

[VOTE: sleep] aubergine

so I will. I have about a thousand things to catch up on that are less simple, but will try to get back in time to at least read up.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:40 pm You got tracked to the SK shrine

seemed a good prospect

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:15 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:05 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:46 pm N3 kill was probably by Falcon.

So we have arrived at the N3 killed...on Mac, who was mafia...was done by Falcon, who was mafia. Well that would explain why he never countered my claim.

why would mafia kill one of their own?

They wouldn't. But that apparently doesn't matter to Gavial.

I figured maybe the 3P just hangs out there so it could be a sure thing

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:13 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:07 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:05 pm tony should I just say?

Yes you should...and yes I am here intermittently. I'm reading the thread.

tim i know where u went. it was Molag Bal's shrine. why did u go there tim?

that isn't a nice shrine tim. that is the 3rd party shrine tim.

the never ending quest for coins...and yes someone was there besides me because I got coins

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:05 pm tony should I just say?

Yes you should...and yes I am here intermittently. I'm reading the thread.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:46 pm N3 kill was probably by Falcon.

So we have arrived at the N3 killed...on Mac, who was mafia...was done by Falcon, who was mafia. Well that would explain why he never countered my claim.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:36 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:35 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:33 pm N4 -) Hircine Tim - performed no action

Might I ask how you are calling me the killer and also claiming to have tracked me doing nothing on the night of a kill?

Dude if I would have tracked you doing nothing I would have said it Day 5 LMAO you know this because I said this Day 5 or did you forgot?
Remember how I didn’t receive an action on my result towards you and then was given a result that I received no result because I failed for some reason to perform my action?

I have not kept really close track of all the twists and turns in your trail Gav.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:33 pm N4 -) Hircine Tim - performed no action

Might I ask how you are calling me the killer and also claiming to have tracked me doing nothing on the night of a kill?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:22 pm somehow gav just agreed with me

Yeah that's different.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:18 pm oh i'm also cleared because the result of me chaosing on n1 was visible in game

Was it though?

Okay, let's start from scratch here. Who is NOT the 3P, and why not?

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:12 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:11 pm yep the vig should claim

Also remember that Tim shot Mac and claimed it.

Yeah I did. On N3. That's when I got enough coinage to take out a hit. But N1, N4, N7...there's a pattern there, and it isn't me.

However, apparently that is the 3P. That's the only reason they wouldn't claim. I'm assuming if they could townside to win the game would have ended, so guess we have to root them out.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:45 pm What the fuck!?!?

[VOTE: Tim] aubergine

Yeah that one wasn't me. N1, N4, N7...someone has a vig shrine they are going to and it would be great if they would just claim.

Wow we are really killin' some Radishes now. Is there any point in reading back?

I'm just gonna pile on and hope for the best instead. I'll probably be around for EoD but with a blowout vote like this I think I'll finish up some other stuff instead of reading. If I missed anything juicy I'll catch it during the night...unless Radishes is a hit and the 3P just townside wins, which would be cool.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:55 pm is @Timsup2nothin really not going to vote?


pie

I'll vote.

I did just get here tho.

So since I haven't looked at the poll yet, for now put me down for a slice of pumpkin.

Okay, answered pings...haven't read...poll looks conclusive. That may be a bad sign or maybe we are just down to the point in POE where we have to just grind this out.

I will try to get back with enough time to have a clue at EoD.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:44 am if Vulgard is mafia, and they are telling the truth about being a bus driver. then could they have messed with my nite actions? could my results be incorrect?

@Timsup2nothin @TonyStarkPrime @Long Con
@Kylemii @Master Radishes



Radishes, how do you feel about pies?

If they happen to have busdriven with whoever your actions targeted then you would get a realing on someone other than who you think you read. I assume someone already said that.

I like pies by the way.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:53 am nah somethin somethin coins it doesn't work like that

@Vulgard

I get charged by going to shrines where other people go. If I had known from the start that Syndicators were going to test out the variety of post restrictions that Sloonei could come up with and just chaos shrine themselves constantly then I could have probably gotten three shots. As it stands maybe I get a second before the game runs out...but I'd rather we just win sooner.

Well I'm still alive. That's an interesting turn of events. I think the Falcon/Marmot wagons where Vulgard and Radishes cased Falcon and said "oh hey, let's chop Tim instead" is pretty much outing and we just need to figure out which is which. Unfortunately I have very little to add to that effort because I have hit a busy stretch. Should be able to pile in at something like EoD minus 12ish, so if someone comes up with a solid argument in the matter leave a ping.

Thread's closed

Marmot, be a good dude and post your alignment after the poll closes yeah?

Vote Marmot.

Okay should have mathed this out sooner.

Vote: No Chop

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:51 pm Hi Tim, why have you no voted

One: scared myself with the word vengeful.

Two: if somehow Rasishes dies on a 5-3 Marmot vote and flips town at least I know to turbo Marmot tomorrow and theat his partner is on Radishes.

I'm out

UNVOTE

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:48 pm if marmot has a "i can redirect the lynch but only if I'm chopped unanimously" power then I'll throw a temper tantrum or something

Full wagon vengeful?

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:43 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:42 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:39 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:38 pm The only legacy I have is that I don't want anyone to take my "one in Radishes/Vulgard" theory as some sort of great truth if I die. I almost always overstate my confidence level and I am mostly just fucking lost. The only read I have that I think is worth following, currently, is that LC is town.

It’s still VERY hard for me to process this as not true. Especially if marmot flips town.

If marmot flips 3p, I’m still confident in 1+ of them being bad

Oh, one other thing I am genuinely confident of, a red flip on Radishes or Vulgard should be taken as a lock clear on the other. They are NOT both bad.

Why is that?

They handled me exactly the same at one point, and wolves have to REALLY overcome their nature to do that. If one sees another wolf case Falcon (partner) then vote a town on a weak case they do not say "hey I know, I'll make a case on Falcon and then vote on that same town, just like they did." Like, they CAN, because WIFOM, but it comes very unnaturally.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:41 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

this is the only way

Yeah it is, but I am not feeling great about it. But cold feet are my usual state.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:39 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:38 pm The only legacy I have is that I don't want anyone to take my "one in Radishes/Vulgard" theory as some sort of great truth if I die. I almost always overstate my confidence level and I am mostly just fucking lost. The only read I have that I think is worth following, currently, is that LC is town.

It’s still VERY hard for me to process this as not true. Especially if marmot flips town.

If marmot flips 3p, I’m still confident in 1+ of them being bad

Oh, one other thing I am genuinely confident of, a red flip on Radishes or Vulgard should be taken as a lock clear on the other. They are NOT both bad.

The only legacy I have is that I don't want anyone to take my "one in Radishes/Vulgard" theory as some sort of great truth if I die. I almost always overstate my confidence level and I am mostly just fucking lost. The only read I have that I think is worth following, currently, is that LC is town.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:31 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:30 pm craft a legacy sir

Nah.

There's no twilight and maybe you should, just in case...you know...

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:30 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:29 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:27 pm In other news I never had a curse, but I’m glad I was able to get discussion going.

Sort of.

If I had 500 posted would you have been able to keep up? Would you have tried?

I’m getting close to 1k in the thread so I probably would have petered off a bit once I reached it.

I don’t believe in spam posting the thread*

*too much

Spam posting the thread is not the Easter Bunny, it most definitely exists. You should believe in this.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:27 pm In other news I never had a curse, but I’m glad I was able to get discussion going.

Sort of.

If I had 500 posted would you have been able to keep up? Would you have tried?

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:23 pm Can anyone else with a peryite shrine confirm or deny they have something different than the “delay” ability?

There is a Peryite among the dead flips and that's a match. However, it is among the dead flips so the match could have been engineered.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:19 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:15 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:08 pm Friendly reminder that we may have only 1 more misyeet after today if the 3P is dangerous.

Not even necessarily ill willed dangerous. I am moderately convinced the 3P is the mysterious vig...probably accessing Molag Ball's shrine every third night and using the mace to kill someone. Who they kill is probably driven by their own wincon and they might kill someone in the POE, maybe a mafia, but if their wincon requires targeting a particular race and the only one of that race they know of is one of our towniest towns...too bad town. Plus if they win they are likely to just disappear themselves and that is an extra elimination also.

Bottom line if everything goes wrong we can find ourselves at SoD8 with an "it's 2-2, congrats wolves" notice staring us in the face and all we control between now and then is two chops.

Oh, when I use the word dangerous here, I'm thinking strictly in terms of "do we need to eliminate them or not?"

The OP seems to imply, to my understanding, that the 3P can achieve their win con before the game ends (and it wouldn't end the game), and that they may be someone we have to eliminate before, but not after that happens.

What do you think?

Artifact destroyed on achieving win con is where I am getting the concern that the 3P can just win and disappear. So if we start N7 at 4-2-1 and the wolves kill a town and the 3P kills a different town AND disappears that makes it 2-2 SoD and that's game.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:08 pm Friendly reminder that we may have only 1 more misyeet after today if the 3P is dangerous.

Not even necessarily ill willed dangerous. I am moderately convinced the 3P is the mysterious vig...probably accessing Molag Ball's shrine every third night and using the mace to kill someone. Who they kill is probably driven by their own wincon and they might kill someone in the POE, maybe a mafia, but if their wincon requires targeting a particular race and the only one of that race they know of is one of our towniest towns...too bad town. Plus if they win they are likely to just disappear themselves and that is an extra elimination also.

Bottom line if everything goes wrong we can find ourselves at SoD8 with an "it's 2-2, congrats wolves" notice staring us in the face and all we control between now and then is two chops.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:06 pm idk it seems like all of those check out

Yeah. There is nothing really AI confirming in them though.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:05 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:03 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:02 pm ok raise your hand if you're the telvanni wizard and you have that ability

Please don't. If I am right about the 3P, which is not totally farfetched, then admitting you are a Dunmer may allow them to satisfy their wincon by killing you.

raise your hand if your name is MR or Daisy or Gav and you are the telvanni wizard and have access to that Hermy

Valid point.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:02 pm I'm not the telvanni wizard but I do have that ability on my hermy

Kza may have had some unique connection to Hermanous Mora.

I retract my negative reaction.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:02 pm ok raise your hand if you're the telvanni wizard and you have that ability

Please don't. If I am right about the 3P, which is not totally farfetched, then admitting you are a Dunmer may allow them to satisfy their wincon by killing you.