The Syndicate

Syn wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 10:58 pm @Timsup2nothin having good play hurts my soul and is unacceptable

Love you too Syn

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 10:51 pm I won!

get modkilled, win game, ez - Long Con

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 10:31 pm @MacDougall love you man! ♡

@Timsup2nothin my homie through the whole game. ♡

This game was terrific!!! Well played and hard played but no griefing or nastiness to speak of...a huge pleasure all around...and Nanook!!! great job man, smooth as butter.

This was a great game!!!

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:15 pm New game called follow Tim’s plan and blame him when we lose to Daisy/Marmot

This is the way.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:50 pmwhat is a dvc

dead villagers chat

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:47 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:46 pm god alison's gonna be so mad at me

why

If I do not die here you better show up in DVC wearing asbestos

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:21 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:13 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:57 pm So the tsunami of work busyness finally landed in my lap this afternoon. I will do the last scenario and vote before the deadline. I forgot that we have a kindergarten prep Zoom for my daughter tonight though, so I can’t guarantee much more involvement today.

Tim feels either desperate to sound rational or desperate to sound rational in order to take a deep teammate even deeper. Not sure which.

Sorry I couldn’t do better.

So kill me and get it settled that I am town, then accept that the only people I am trying to send deeper are you, TSP, and Daisy...and DO NOT KILL EACH OTHER.

I hate this. You're betting the game that all three of g-man, tsp, and daisy are town vs myself, kyle, mog, marmot yeah?
If there's even one wolf in the set you're advocating never questions each other you're handing the wolf the win.

You're not casing anyone, you're not laying out "here's how to do about doing things" which are all things town tim likes to do in this situation. You're beating a dead horse so hard it's going to turn into boots and walk away

I laid out EXACTLY how I got here. Made was the only wolf in the lower bracket N1, and yes I bet the game on that.

G-Man is town. He didn't come to the lower bracket to make sure Alison got resolved if he was a wolf, because a wolf wouldn't care who won the battle between me and Alison. A wolf comes down there and makes pushes.

That's what I've got and that's what I stick to. That's my best chance at winning here.

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:57 pm So the tsunami of work busyness finally landed in my lap this afternoon. I will do the last scenario and vote before the deadline. I forgot that we have a kindergarten prep Zoom for my daughter tonight though, so I can’t guarantee much more involvement today.

Tim feels either desperate to sound rational or desperate to sound rational in order to take a deep teammate even deeper. Not sure which.

Sorry I couldn’t do better.

So kill me and get it settled that I am town, then accept that the only people I am trying to send deeper are you, TSP, and Daisy...and DO NOT KILL EACH OTHER.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:04 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:58 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:51 pm If Tim were anyone but Tim or /maybe/ LC I’d probably instaclear Tim here

Go ahead and clear me...just do not let me live...we are killing three people and there are only two wolves, so WE ARE GONNA KILL AT LEAST ONE TOWN HERE.

That's fine.

If there's a wolf still in the upper bracket we are killing AT LEAST two towns. That's fine.

If the two wolves are BOTH in the upper bracket we are killing three towns, NO MATTER WHAT.

Even that is fine.

TSP, G-Man, And Daisy are town. Just never kill each other and this all works out.

tim

why u want put this game so bad. no man. it can just as easily be me.

u and gman could easily solve this.

like we could easily be eliminating all towns here. or 2. think if we voted wrong with who is here or what about mog?

I'm supposed to believe Tony is town but not hk?

HK has NEVER cast a vote in this game with life or death significance. Could he be town? Sure, he could. But I know HK better than anyone in this game, and I have no way at all to be SURE that he is town.

If Tony was Made's partner we would not have gotten Made N1...I totally believe that. Tony is town.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:51 pm If Tim were anyone but Tim or /maybe/ LC I’d probably instaclear Tim here

Go ahead and clear me...just do not let me live...we are killing three people and there are only two wolves, so WE ARE GONNA KILL AT LEAST ONE TOWN HERE.

That's fine.

If there's a wolf still in the upper bracket we are killing AT LEAST two towns. That's fine.

If the two wolves are BOTH in the upper bracket we are killing three towns, NO MATTER WHAT.

Even that is fine.

TSP, G-Man, And Daisy are town. Just never kill each other and this all works out.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:21 pm @Timsup2nothin who specifically do you think is going to vote you at lylo with 100% certainty? I've only really seen HK speak against you.

If I kill three more towns here today and I am at F5 LYLO who would NOT vote for me?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:11 pm GTH G-Man is the wolf Tim, if Tim is a wolf, is protecting

How does this even make sense? If I am a wolf and I flip wolf, then what "path to victory" is G-Man gonna be on by himself at F5 with me hanging on his neck like an albatross?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:50 pm If a wolf doesn’t die today we probably lose no matter what. F5 is hard. Any team could win.

If you kill who I tell you to kill and a wolf doesn't die today it is because we have no wolves available to kill...so kill Mogh and Marmot, win game, ez

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:44 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:26 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:09 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:01 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:55 pm Ok, here me out.
I'm town, G-Man is town, Daisy is town.
I'm fairly confident TSP is woofin. Tim I'm on as wolf b/c of how things have shaken out. There's no specific "here's why Tim is a wolf" post I can make. All I can do there is point at how things have gone, who he's chopped, and that he's pushing for me to die here.

Kyle I'm torn on. I can see him being lackadaisical wolf who's just posting and being happy about posting, and I can see him as disconnected town who's really only gotten into the game over the last 24ish hours or so.
That leaves Marmot and Mogh in teh winners bracket and if either of them are a wolf then I'm just fucked I guess?

I think the best kills today are going to be TSP/Tim/Kyle. If that doesn't flip a single wolf then fuck. If that flips one wolf great, the last wolf is within G-man/daisy/mog/marmot and we have a chance to find them. If we don't flip a wolf today I think we just lose? We'll be merging brackets after tonight which means that wolves will get a traditional NK action so if we flip one wolf today we start "tomorrow" at 4-1 and we have a good shot.
If we dont flip a wolf we start "tomorrow" at 3-2 and have to be right twice in a row.

I think our best chance at getting at least one is tsp/tim/kyle

I'm coming around to you just being a wolf here.

You are actively pushing a plan that ends with, in your own words, "I think we just lose."

Remove me from the equation for a minute. If you want to replace someone from the set {Tim, TSP, Kyle} who do you remove AND which of G-Man or Daisy do you replace them with?

how about we "remove you from the equation" a different way?

If you hadn't been so fired up about coming to kill me and you guys had sent Marmot with Kyle...I'd be saying kill Marmot instead of kill HK.

NOTHING at this point is going to change the fact that I want G-Man, Daisy, and TSP to survive this night, and then commit to chopping Mogh and Marmot in whatever order is convenient. If one of those three has me fooled...my bad. And I have been wrong a lot this game...but not about who would be bad town at LYLO if town. If Mac lived to LYLO a town would vote him. If Alison lived to LYLO a town would vote her. I missed, but I have no regrets.

Press X to Doubt I guess?
You're pushing the wolf path to victory here by insisting I need to be chopped today. It feels like you're purposefully selling me short and trying to push my chop because of how vociferous I've been that you're on my target list for today along with TSP. It also feels like you're trying to trade your life for his, which I don't understand how you're justifying that read.

Because if I am at LYLO town loses when I get voted on.

I get it...if you are town and know you are town you dying seems like a bad plan to you...but truth is if we kill four townies and two wolves town wins, so even if you are town you dying is not the end of the world.


Now, who is the wolf team that wins on this "path to victory" I am pushing?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:32 pm hot take I think Tim's cheesy self-sacrificing bullshit seems earnest and townsided

It is town sided but I still have to die here...I get voted by a townie at LYLO, guaranteed.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:33 pm Tim is wrong to have faith in me, I have no trust

You'd have pushed me N1 and I'd have died instead of Made if you were a wolf. I trust that.

I am trusting the same thing about Daisy.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:23 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:19 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:10 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:05 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:02 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:19 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:09 pm
I didn't ask if you cared I asked what you thought.

Fair. I think I have nothing to base any solid thoughts on. Marmot has never cast a meaningful vote, so his reads wandering around the map could mean...anything. Maybe you and him are wolves and decided that a split was in order...you go to lower bracket and he stays for F5 so the two of you aren't on the same path. Maybe he's a wolf and threw town you into the lower bracket to be rid of you. Maybe he's town and he's right. Or wrong. You haven't really had a chance to do anything that I would say justifies any certainty on his part either way, but if he is town he would be at a grasping at straws stage so sure.

The bottom line is that you haven't had a chance to do anything really readable, and neither has he, so neither of you should come anywhere near LYLO...but there may be no way to keep him away from it. We can keep you away from it, by just chopping you. So, no offense, nothing personal, etc etc etc, but we gotta just chop you.

not really what this is about. I've been on board with me dying since like day 3, but thank you for responding um sorry for being weirdly intense lol. It just seems like we both intend on dying and I'd rather not have the fact that the two people capable of knowing why marmot easily townreading me dying at once be the reason he slips by.

I'm kinda counting on two things:

1) G-Man, Daisy, and TSP surviving here (you could really help with this part)

2) Once I flip town and my motives are established as pure they go on to just chop Marmot and Mohg

ok, so you're thinking both wolves are Mog/Marmot?

Could be. I am locked in on the two wolves being in you, Kyle, Mogh, and Marmot. Kill two now, kill the other two on consecutive LYLOs, win game.

wait wait

that is to many kills tim

too many kills tim.

I'm confused

nah...just think it through...we are killing THREE, right now.

That needs to leave you, G-Man, and TSP.

Then there is a merge to F5

You, TSP, G-Man, Mogh, and Marmot. There may be two wolves, there may be just one. Either way, you, G-Man, and TSP just vote together. Either Marmot, or Mogh. If there's just one wolf maybe you win right there.

If you don't, the wolf NKs either you, TSP, or G-Man and we are on to F3. Two of you are still alive, so just stick together.

I have complete faith that if you, TSP, and G-Man just keep each other alive to the end the town will win.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:09 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:01 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:55 pm Ok, here me out.
I'm town, G-Man is town, Daisy is town.
I'm fairly confident TSP is woofin. Tim I'm on as wolf b/c of how things have shaken out. There's no specific "here's why Tim is a wolf" post I can make. All I can do there is point at how things have gone, who he's chopped, and that he's pushing for me to die here.

Kyle I'm torn on. I can see him being lackadaisical wolf who's just posting and being happy about posting, and I can see him as disconnected town who's really only gotten into the game over the last 24ish hours or so.
That leaves Marmot and Mogh in teh winners bracket and if either of them are a wolf then I'm just fucked I guess?

I think the best kills today are going to be TSP/Tim/Kyle. If that doesn't flip a single wolf then fuck. If that flips one wolf great, the last wolf is within G-man/daisy/mog/marmot and we have a chance to find them. If we don't flip a wolf today I think we just lose? We'll be merging brackets after tonight which means that wolves will get a traditional NK action so if we flip one wolf today we start "tomorrow" at 4-1 and we have a good shot.
If we dont flip a wolf we start "tomorrow" at 3-2 and have to be right twice in a row.

I think our best chance at getting at least one is tsp/tim/kyle

I'm coming around to you just being a wolf here.

You are actively pushing a plan that ends with, in your own words, "I think we just lose."

Remove me from the equation for a minute. If you want to replace someone from the set {Tim, TSP, Kyle} who do you remove AND which of G-Man or Daisy do you replace them with?

how about we "remove you from the equation" a different way?

If you hadn't been so fired up about coming to kill me and you guys had sent Marmot with Kyle...I'd be saying kill Marmot instead of kill HK.

NOTHING at this point is going to change the fact that I want G-Man, Daisy, and TSP to survive this night, and then commit to chopping Mogh and Marmot in whatever order is convenient. If one of those three has me fooled...my bad. And I have been wrong a lot this game...but not about who would be bad town at LYLO if town. If Mac lived to LYLO a town would vote him. If Alison lived to LYLO a town would vote her. I missed, but I have no regrets.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:15 pm okay, yeah I know ties are bad. idk what to do tho. I'm not voting g-man or tim.

So vote HK and Kyle.

Then when I am dead TAKE MY WORD on TSP.

If I am wrong about him, I'll be sorry in post game...just like if I am wrong about you.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:10 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:05 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:02 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:19 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:09 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:02 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:34 pm

I mentioned all the marmot stuff with less specificity for sure. there was nothing to push or question really cus it's mostly just a vibe thing influenced by a recent experience, I wanted to make sure my thoughts were down on paper, because I don't think anyone else here was part of that game or would notice the disparity. I guess Tim? @Timsup2nothin What do you think of Marmot's read progression on me?

I don't know how you could have missed me questioning mog though? 70% of my posts from this cycle were spent interrogating him on his sheeping of tony.

Honest answer? Don't care. You guys were up there in the upper bracket where no one was dying no matter how you voted or what you said. Reads there are basically equivalent to typical day one reads...maybe even just RVS.

I didn't ask if you cared I asked what you thought.

Fair. I think I have nothing to base any solid thoughts on. Marmot has never cast a meaningful vote, so his reads wandering around the map could mean...anything. Maybe you and him are wolves and decided that a split was in order...you go to lower bracket and he stays for F5 so the two of you aren't on the same path. Maybe he's a wolf and threw town you into the lower bracket to be rid of you. Maybe he's town and he's right. Or wrong. You haven't really had a chance to do anything that I would say justifies any certainty on his part either way, but if he is town he would be at a grasping at straws stage so sure.

The bottom line is that you haven't had a chance to do anything really readable, and neither has he, so neither of you should come anywhere near LYLO...but there may be no way to keep him away from it. We can keep you away from it, by just chopping you. So, no offense, nothing personal, etc etc etc, but we gotta just chop you.

not really what this is about. I've been on board with me dying since like day 3, but thank you for responding um sorry for being weirdly intense lol. It just seems like we both intend on dying and I'd rather not have the fact that the two people capable of knowing why marmot easily townreading me dying at once be the reason he slips by.

I'm kinda counting on two things:

1) G-Man, Daisy, and TSP surviving here (you could really help with this part)

2) Once I flip town and my motives are established as pure they go on to just chop Marmot and Mohg

ok, so you're thinking both wolves are Mog/Marmot?

Could be. I am locked in on the two wolves being in you, Kyle, Mogh, and Marmot. Kill two now, kill the other two on consecutive LYLOs, win game.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:02 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:19 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:09 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:02 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:34 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:02 pmI think it would be really interesting to see the Kyle votes juxtaposed with these takes. Time to go back through the G-Man ISO I guess for his vote tracker post.
I want to unvote kyle here b/c if this is from a wolf it's really well done, but there are a few things that don't sit right with me. If there were concerns about Marmot/Mogh from Kyle during the day phase yesterday I don't remember reading them.
Additionally, none of his votes have landed on Marmot/Mogh. Something to contemplate anyways.

I'm currently working through the votes tally that G-Man has prepared and looking for patterns. I'll have something on that later

I mentioned all the marmot stuff with less specificity for sure. there was nothing to push or question really cus it's mostly just a vibe thing influenced by a recent experience, I wanted to make sure my thoughts were down on paper, because I don't think anyone else here was part of that game or would notice the disparity. I guess Tim? @Timsup2nothin What do you think of Marmot's read progression on me?

I don't know how you could have missed me questioning mog though? 70% of my posts from this cycle were spent interrogating him on his sheeping of tony.

Honest answer? Don't care. You guys were up there in the upper bracket where no one was dying no matter how you voted or what you said. Reads there are basically equivalent to typical day one reads...maybe even just RVS.

I didn't ask if you cared I asked what you thought.

Fair. I think I have nothing to base any solid thoughts on. Marmot has never cast a meaningful vote, so his reads wandering around the map could mean...anything. Maybe you and him are wolves and decided that a split was in order...you go to lower bracket and he stays for F5 so the two of you aren't on the same path. Maybe he's a wolf and threw town you into the lower bracket to be rid of you. Maybe he's town and he's right. Or wrong. You haven't really had a chance to do anything that I would say justifies any certainty on his part either way, but if he is town he would be at a grasping at straws stage so sure.

The bottom line is that you haven't had a chance to do anything really readable, and neither has he, so neither of you should come anywhere near LYLO...but there may be no way to keep him away from it. We can keep you away from it, by just chopping you. So, no offense, nothing personal, etc etc etc, but we gotta just chop you.

not really what this is about. I've been on board with me dying since like day 3, but thank you for responding um sorry for being weirdly intense lol. It just seems like we both intend on dying and I'd rather not have the fact that the two people capable of knowing why marmot easily townreading me dying at once be the reason he slips by.

I'm kinda counting on two things:

1) G-Man, Daisy, and TSP surviving here (you could really help with this part)

2) Once I flip town and my motives are established as pure they go on to just chop Marmot and Mohg

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:56 pm probably the smartest and absolute dumbest decision.

Well, it does threaten to create a tie and let the wolves kill whoever they want, so it isn't great.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:55 pm Ok, here me out.
I'm town, G-Man is town, Daisy is town.
I'm fairly confident TSP is woofin. Tim I'm on as wolf b/c of how things have shaken out. There's no specific "here's why Tim is a wolf" post I can make. All I can do there is point at how things have gone, who he's chopped, and that he's pushing for me to die here.

Kyle I'm torn on. I can see him being lackadaisical wolf who's just posting and being happy about posting, and I can see him as disconnected town who's really only gotten into the game over the last 24ish hours or so.
That leaves Marmot and Mogh in teh winners bracket and if either of them are a wolf then I'm just fucked I guess?

I think the best kills today are going to be TSP/Tim/Kyle. If that doesn't flip a single wolf then fuck. If that flips one wolf great, the last wolf is within G-man/daisy/mog/marmot and we have a chance to find them. If we don't flip a wolf today I think we just lose? We'll be merging brackets after tonight which means that wolves will get a traditional NK action so if we flip one wolf today we start "tomorrow" at 4-1 and we have a good shot.
If we dont flip a wolf we start "tomorrow" at 3-2 and have to be right twice in a row.

I think our best chance at getting at least one is tsp/tim/kyle

I'm coming around to you just being a wolf here.

You are actively pushing a plan that ends with, in your own words, "I think we just lose."

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:09 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:02 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:34 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:02 pmI think it would be really interesting to see the Kyle votes juxtaposed with these takes. Time to go back through the G-Man ISO I guess for his vote tracker post.
I want to unvote kyle here b/c if this is from a wolf it's really well done, but there are a few things that don't sit right with me. If there were concerns about Marmot/Mogh from Kyle during the day phase yesterday I don't remember reading them.
Additionally, none of his votes have landed on Marmot/Mogh. Something to contemplate anyways.

I'm currently working through the votes tally that G-Man has prepared and looking for patterns. I'll have something on that later

I mentioned all the marmot stuff with less specificity for sure. there was nothing to push or question really cus it's mostly just a vibe thing influenced by a recent experience, I wanted to make sure my thoughts were down on paper, because I don't think anyone else here was part of that game or would notice the disparity. I guess Tim? @Timsup2nothin What do you think of Marmot's read progression on me?

I don't know how you could have missed me questioning mog though? 70% of my posts from this cycle were spent interrogating him on his sheeping of tony.

Honest answer? Don't care. You guys were up there in the upper bracket where no one was dying no matter how you voted or what you said. Reads there are basically equivalent to typical day one reads...maybe even just RVS.

I didn't ask if you cared I asked what you thought.

Fair. I think I have nothing to base any solid thoughts on. Marmot has never cast a meaningful vote, so his reads wandering around the map could mean...anything. Maybe you and him are wolves and decided that a split was in order...you go to lower bracket and he stays for F5 so the two of you aren't on the same path. Maybe he's a wolf and threw town you into the lower bracket to be rid of you. Maybe he's town and he's right. Or wrong. You haven't really had a chance to do anything that I would say justifies any certainty on his part either way, but if he is town he would be at a grasping at straws stage so sure.

The bottom line is that you haven't had a chance to do anything really readable, and neither has he, so neither of you should come anywhere near LYLO...but there may be no way to keep him away from it. We can keep you away from it, by just chopping you. So, no offense, nothing personal, etc etc etc, but we gotta just chop you.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:58 pm could the people i townread stop wanting to get voted. that be great.

infact, it be absolute wonderful if scum just vote themselves and you know concede.

I know you mean me, and I appreciate it. But here's the thing...I have missed too many times. I am town, and if I go to F5 LYLO having missed again we are gonna lose because some town is gonna vote me for sure. The only way we can afford to have me at F5 is if I get a hit here, and I think there's a fairly decent chance that I don't even have a wolf to shoot at so I literally cannot get a hit. I think there is a good chance that Made is the only wolf that we ever had a shot at.

So you, TSP, and G-Man need to carry this thing. If you pocketed me and just stood around N1 while Made died...well, bad beats happen and well done.

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:28 pm Spotlight on MADE-KYLE-TIM

D1 you have Made, Kyle, and Tim all overlapping on Tim’s only two votes. Made and Kyle overlap on five people total. Kyle votes for 7 of the 8 sent to the LB. The only one he didn’t vote for? Made. Kyle got five votes D1, none of which were from Made or Tim. He ended the day one vote shy of being caught up in a tie-breaker for slots 4-8. Close call.

N1 Tim feels safe enough to vote for Made. Perhaps this is because Tim and Made wanted to keep Alison alive as a distraction. Tim already voted for Alison, so he can’t get Made off the chopping block. It’s more of an unfortunate reality than an agreed-to plan.

D2, Kyle gets a little hear but wins a reprieve when G-Man and the “slankers” get relegated. Tim doesn’t have to dance too much at all N2, as the appetite for Alison wins out, plus the LB crew gets snookered into dealing with Falcon and Wilgy.

D3, the easy times are over, as Kyle can’t shake the heat when he’s the worst-looking of the remaining WB4. He’s even resigned to his fate and self-votes.

So now in N3, it seems Kyle and Tim’s run is nearing its end. It was a good run, extended by lazy civ D2 and N2 decisions. Kyle’s stock hasn’t risen high enough to save his neck and questions remain about Tony being the last of the Big Loud Three.

This would make Tim’s proposal to chop him and the new guys (HK and Kyle) today a gambit. If it doesn’t work, oh well, they made a good run of it. If it works and only one of them gets chopped, it’s off to F5 for more dancing and mind games.

This is plausible in my head.

This is plausible...so chop with fire...convince Daisy and TSP to eliminate this possibility by all three of you voting me, Kyle, and HK...then the three of you stick together...even if you get three misses, stick together and rail Mogh and Marmot.

@G-Man

I think this question resolves a lot of your possible teams:

Why let Made die?

If there are two wolves in the LB on night one, why just let Made die? Even if Made totally outs himself keeping alive in the end...he is still alive and an additional town in dead. The N2 discussion is going to be disrupted by killing Made, and a wolf partner can be an active leader in that discussion to generate town cred. Made surviving is clearly better for the wolves.

Wolf partner doesn't have to defend Made. All they have to do is push someone else. I was pushing Alison hard along with Mac. I got Mac because Made helped. If there was another wolf they could have helped push Alison. Gervail pushed Poison and Poison died. A second wolf could have pushed me, or Daisy...Alison was already pushing Daisy, she could easily have gone over in Made's place.

Made went over because no one else got pushed. If there's another wolf in N1, why didn't they push anyone?

Obviously this doesn't clear me, because I did push towns. So kill me. Gervail pushed Poison, but he's already dead. So take the other two and RUN. This game is winnable if you three just get your stuff together and chop everyone else.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:01 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:55 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:31 am @Timsup2nothin yiu don't talk to me anymore. you ignore my posts.

I wasn't there at eod. u expected me there. I messed up.

I figured you be needing to at least touch base or something. did you see stuff I said about mog?

don't be a mic dropper. idk what your thinking and your plans/objectives seem really big.

dude help me out. ♡

I'm trying to help out. This game is simple. Find three town and stick with them. You have one locked...yourself. G-man is the second. I fully endorse and support you there. IMO if TSP was partners with Made the entire N1 would have gone differently. There was no need for Made to die there. Him dying didn't accomplish anything for the wolves. To me, if there was a second wolf in the lower bracket we would know it. So TSP is not a wolf. Take that to the bank.

So all we need is for the three of you to always vote together. Vote together now and chop out me, HK, and Kyle. I'm not a wolf, but it doesn't matter. Maybe Kyle isn't. Maybe HK isn't. None of that matters either. Because if you, TSP, and GMan just stick together you then chop out Mogh, and Marmot, and that's game.

I am convinced all three of you are town. Trust me...after I flip town, naturally...and just stay the course here.

You still haven't adequately explained why you think I'm the right chop here. You're formulaic and by the numbers and that's literally never you

I've never played in a game with multiple chops per day, no night kills, and players who can reach LYLO having been insulated from making a single life and death decision for the entire game. You are the right chop here, along with Kyle, and me, because I believe that G-Man, Daisy, and TSP are battle tested proven towns that give me my best chance to win.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:34 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:02 pmI think it would be really interesting to see the Kyle votes juxtaposed with these takes. Time to go back through the G-Man ISO I guess for his vote tracker post.
I want to unvote kyle here b/c if this is from a wolf it's really well done, but there are a few things that don't sit right with me. If there were concerns about Marmot/Mogh from Kyle during the day phase yesterday I don't remember reading them.
Additionally, none of his votes have landed on Marmot/Mogh. Something to contemplate anyways.

I'm currently working through the votes tally that G-Man has prepared and looking for patterns. I'll have something on that later

I mentioned all the marmot stuff with less specificity for sure. there was nothing to push or question really cus it's mostly just a vibe thing influenced by a recent experience, I wanted to make sure my thoughts were down on paper, because I don't think anyone else here was part of that game or would notice the disparity. I guess Tim? @Timsup2nothin What do you think of Marmot's read progression on me?

I don't know how you could have missed me questioning mog though? 70% of my posts from this cycle were spent interrogating him on his sheeping of tony.

Honest answer? Don't care. You guys were up there in the upper bracket where no one was dying no matter how you voted or what you said. Reads there are basically equivalent to typical day one reads...maybe even just RVS.

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:03 am Stop me if this sounds too crazy, but what if we just chop Daisy, Tim, and Tony?

Doing so would end the mystery of how many baddies were in the LB to start with. I’m the only one left from N2, and I’m being rightly civ-read by most I think.

If we find out for sure that Made was the only baddie N1, then we can re-read all the F5 for their subterfuge. It would mean 3v2 in a high-stakes LYLO and leave Kyle as low-hanging fruit based on the temperature of the room, but then we’d know for certain that two baddies made it to D3 in the WB.

If Made did have a N1 partner, we’ll chop them and then F5 is only 4v1, so we can afford to make one more mistake.

More scenarios later...

This is a really bad idea. If I am right it sends you to F5 with no one in the five who has ever voted on chopping a wolf. That is double LYLO on pure guesswork and town has no shot.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:32 am I sound like an ex. lol, I'm so lame. seriously tim.

I have plenty of exes and you don't sound like any of them. No worries.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:31 am @Timsup2nothin yiu don't talk to me anymore. you ignore my posts.

I wasn't there at eod. u expected me there. I messed up.

I figured you be needing to at least touch base or something. did you see stuff I said about mog?

don't be a mic dropper. idk what your thinking and your plans/objectives seem really big.

dude help me out. ♡

I'm trying to help out. This game is simple. Find three town and stick with them. You have one locked...yourself. G-man is the second. I fully endorse and support you there. IMO if TSP was partners with Made the entire N1 would have gone differently. There was no need for Made to die there. Him dying didn't accomplish anything for the wolves. To me, if there was a second wolf in the lower bracket we would know it. So TSP is not a wolf. Take that to the bank.

So all we need is for the three of you to always vote together. Vote together now and chop out me, HK, and Kyle. I'm not a wolf, but it doesn't matter. Maybe Kyle isn't. Maybe HK isn't. None of that matters either. Because if you, TSP, and GMan just stick together you then chop out Mogh, and Marmot, and that's game.

I am convinced all three of you are town. Trust me...after I flip town, naturally...and just stay the course here.

Kyle, are you town?

HK, are you town?

I don't know. And one big reason that I don't know is you haven't killed anyone. Not your fault. You haven't had the "chance."

I do know stuff though. TSP and Daisy were here in the trenches when Made died. I do not believe Made had any friends that night. Kyle is talking about "could be a bus." This is a Mafia game, so we think about bussing. Fine. But this isn't a simple "where was your vote?" or "well the wolves had to vote somewhere" situation. There were eight of us and four were dying. A lot of the eight actually never seemed to grasp that even while it was happening. There was a lot of fight about Mac, and Alison, and me...but three people that died, including Made, were like...afterthoughts. If there were two wolves here they'd have done...something. All Made was doing was trying to take Mac with him and shade me. I killed Mac, no one else really helped Made with that. No one helped him shade me. No one really tried to do anything, because no one had a plan. Just a bunch of townies squabbling.

So, G-Man comes a killing. Again, I killed Alison while she tried to kill me. I'm not a reader, I'm a killer. Give me good wolf reads and I get them chopped. Man and Alison gave me wolf reads on each other, and I got them chopped. If they don't like the results they should have given me better reads. Stuff happens. But again, no one really cared who died besides Alison. TSP and Daisy have chopped six town...we are past ready for LYLO...they had no agendas, and neither did G-Man. There were just no wolves. It was a pointless exercise in chopping.

So ultimately, I have the three towns I need and I just don't care if you guys are town or not. Maybe you are and it's Mogh and Marmot. Maybe not. Don't know, got no way to work it out really...and most importantly I do not need to work it out. My three towns have five chops to burn. They can mischop me, chop both of you, then chop Mogh AND Marmot.

I understand you guys want to "get solved." Believe me. But I have a ton of blood on my hands this game and I just want to take the shortest path to a win.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:34 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:29 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:23 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:22 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:19 pm also @Timsup2nothin vote me you wanker

If TSP was a wolf he could have saved Made.

And I had to wait for the poll to open.

Why would TSP the wolf save Made? It outs him as wolf to do so, and if not outs at the very least makes him a very juicy chop target the next "night", yeah?
TSP NOT saving Made here is the right play for TSP if he is a wolf.

But talk to me more about me, because you and I both know that's exactly why I'm here

You are here to kill me. What more is there to say?

And by save I don't mean some last second vote shenanigans...I mean TSP could easily have set it up so that Made wasn't in the chops N1...anyone could have. We could have and should have pushed Alison over then. Made could have voted her as a self pres. If there was another wolf around, ez pz Made survives. There was just no other wolf around.

So here's the thing...I have no case on you. I have a POE of four with two wolves in it and town has five kills. Hopefully me and my POE. Hopefully I got it right. <shrug>

How am I in your POE though, that's what I'm trying to get at.
I understand we can only kill players in this bracket. So by all technicalities this bracket is the POE BUT what puts Me in there specifically for you?
What makes me more likely wolf than anyone else here who's not you?

Because I am convinced that there were no wolves here before you arrived. Maybe there still aren't and it's Mohg and Mormot, but in any event I think town's winning path is to just chop me and the top bracket in whatever order the top bracket presents. You presented first. Well, you and Kyle.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:23 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:22 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:19 pm also @Timsup2nothin vote me you wanker

If TSP was a wolf he could have saved Made.

And I had to wait for the poll to open.

Why would TSP the wolf save Made? It outs him as wolf to do so, and if not outs at the very least makes him a very juicy chop target the next "night", yeah?
TSP NOT saving Made here is the right play for TSP if he is a wolf.

But talk to me more about me, because you and I both know that's exactly why I'm here

You are here to kill me. What more is there to say?

And by save I don't mean some last second vote shenanigans...I mean TSP could easily have set it up so that Made wasn't in the chops N1...anyone could have. We could have and should have pushed Alison over then. Made could have voted her as a self pres. If there was another wolf around, ez pz Made survives. There was just no other wolf around.

So here's the thing...I have no case on you. I have a POE of four with two wolves in it and town has five kills. Hopefully me and my POE. Hopefully I got it right. <shrug>

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:19 pm also @Timsup2nothin vote me you wanker

If TSP was a wolf he could have saved Made.

And I had to wait for the poll to open.

A'ight, I have thought about this a lot.

I'm gonna lay out what I think happened, what I think town can and should do to win the game, and then I'm probably just gonna dip, because my nature is to fight for my life and this is that one bad situation where that is the wrong thing to do. So here we go.

I think on day one we were all sort of lackadaisical about figuring out the implications of the setup, and we blundered into sending Made to the bracket. On N1 we killed him. Yay us. But I think that was the only wolf we really had a shot at. It would have been way too easy to save Made, between Made's uncast votes and the votes of another wolf.eight people throwing votes all over the place? Who would know? So we got the wolf we had available.

Day two the upper bracket really sort of luffed it. They sent down three people without really any consideration for whether they were wolves. Volunteers to kill Alison. Slankers that just needed to die before LYLO. Easy enough to just stay in the upper bracket and watch seven town choose meaningless kills.

The good news is that night two we did resolve Alison, who was a mischop waiting to happen, and eliminate the two slankers.

So here is how town wins. @TonyStarkPrime @DaisyCloud @G-Man, kill me and the two new arrivals. That gets you to F5 (unless it just wins). Kill the upper bracket people, one after the other.

Win game.

See you in post game.

you guys are so excitable...sorry Wilgy

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:56 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:55 pm I pinged her

So what? Pings are only useful in a pinch if the player is logged in.

I'm hoping...and there's three whole minutes...don't panic

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:56 pm tim just doesn't want me to prep a legacy

post it...if you live it's still a good thing to post

I pinged her

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:54 pm So Tim, why do you vote Tony and Wilgy, but not Falcon? What's holding you back?

I am moving a vote to Falcon to break the tie...but I wanna see Daisy vote

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:52 pm tim it's not me un-tie the stupid vote poll before you force me to self vote

I'm waiting on Daisy but have faith that I am not letting the wolves decide a tie

based on EoD posting who was around? I assume Made wasn't...I know I was...Poison was...

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:49 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:48 pm I mean, your clear on the Made votes there is based on that assumption

I think it's reasonable that I, who made like 3 posts in night 1, would not have wanted to be in the bottom bracket as a wolf

Maybe...but you were never in any real danger n1 and we don't know that you would three post if you had been

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:48 pm or it's one of the threepers and he thought self pres would be outing in which case it's probably alison and we've gotten nothing out of this

Poison could have and should have killed Alison, yes

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:47 pm huh, made could have saved himself n1. tbh probably no scum partners in bottom bracket

how?

I mean, your clear on the Made votes there is based on that assumption