The Syndicate

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:59 pm
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Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:51 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:48 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:43 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:09 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:01 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:42 pm

I didn't think, I just sorted. My kneejerk reaction is that Made should go in "up".

I don't think I normally open claim mafia. I just decide to this game. Nothing is NAI, everything is AI if given enough context.

I feel like you said a lot of words about Made just now, but actually reading it, I get the sneaking feeling you aren't actually trying to communicate with me. Consider yourself officially downed.

In case I am wrong though, can you explain what you're saying? You seem to say that Made is playing just like wolf!Made in a recent game where he wanted to give his town a path to victory by getting bussed, but then you're saying this is NAI? Why? because wolf!Made might not want to play that way? I don't see how this would be reason to think what you're seeing in Made is NAI at all (aside from the fact that nothing is NAI).
I was actually just asking you how you came up with Made as town. Based on his position in the list it seems like it was one of the "easy ones" and I legit do not see how it could be. This response to being asked about it sort of supports the idea that you just threw him onto the list in a predetermined "looks good here" position rather than actually considering what his alignment might be...so feel free to list me as "downed" because I feel pretty much the same about you.
I made it pretty clear upfront that the list was kneejerk reactions. Yes, Made was easy to have a kneejerk reaction for, and I spent about 1.5 seconds considering his alignment. Don't know what more to tell you there.

You didn't clarify what you were saying about Made. None of it makes sense. If you're town, help me find you by explaining please.
I'm on the new end of this commitment to being cooperative, but...just nah.

You have done nothing but open claim mafia, make up a reads list that when questioned on you take zero responsibility for, and you want me to "help you find me"? Screw it, you can just die and watch from DVC and decide if I am town, since you are apparently not interested in being found yourself.
I tried.

[VOTE: Timsup2nothin] aubergine
to do what, exactly?
To work with you if you're town. Sorry that I didn't have anything more to say about Made, but I answered as honestly as I could. I didn't think about it, I just added him to the "up" pile because that is where my kneejerk reaction told me to put him. I still haven't thought about him, and honestly in a game this size, there are a lot of players I probably won't have deep thoughts on for a while.

You on the other hand had a lot to say about Made. Great, nothing wrong with that, in fact having a lot to say is usually >rand town. But, what you said didn't make sense. I asked you to clarify, and you didnt. I asked you again, and you refused and instead just turned to saying that I've done nothing. I tried to work with you, but I can't work with that.

Yeah if you really wanna work with me you are gonna have to meet me halfway. "I hard claim mafia, make up a 'reads list' and then brush off questions about it, but if I say "you don't make sense" you are obligated to spoon feed me" just doesn't cut it. If anyone else is having a hard time making sense out of what I said about Made they are free to ask questions. In fact you are too. (for the record "that doesn't make sense" isn't a question) But notice that no one else seems to think I "didn't make sense."

I legit think that what I said about Made was pretty straightforward. I think you tried a simple "spin it back at you" tactic when I asked you about your read, and that was a good thing for you to try since really "oh well yeah I made this list but it isn't like they are really reads" is gonna impress anyone. I also think you might have just spun up this whole interaction to give you an excuse to plant a basically meaningless vote somewhere that you won't have to take responsibility for it.

In short, the only thing I think you have going for you is the TWTBAW reaction from your first openwolf claim. You haven't tried to solve. You didn't actually try to "work with Tim and see if I can find him town." You haven't given any reads that can be used to solve you post flip. You now have your vote parked in an off corner that will "justify" you having no established position on the wagons that are relevant. You are probably just a wolf since there is zero reason available to say that you aren't.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:56 pmhi tim! hi!

Hi Daisy!!!

I think we should probably all vote Seanzie unless a really obvious wolf comes along, because he is at best intentionally useless and at worst an openwolf playing on TWTBAW. What do you think?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:48 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:43 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:09 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:01 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:42 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:26 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:05 pm No thought, just sort. The order in tiers is not perfectly sorted, but the people who come before others in the same tier I had an easier time making a kneejerk read on (I copied the whole list, then sorted the ones I had insta-feelz for first, then once I had a smaller list, forced myself to go through each person and sort them).

Up
Scotty
MacDougall
Made
Marmot
lost monkey
Kylemii
KZA
Long Con
DaisyCloud
Syn
falcon45ca
BoKnows

Neither
Jackofhearts2005
Qwags
Nachomamma8
Alison
Timsup2nothin
Gavial
Quin
Stupid Sexy Flanders

Down
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Enrique
TonyStarkPrime

Seanzie
Since Syn pinged me just in time to see this...why Made?

I can, if forced, go along with "well, open claiming mafia is just what Seanzie does, it's NAI" and continue studying you, but Made throwing an "I'm just gonna post music vids, screw it" party is distinctly not in line with his town behavior and is a lot closer to his play in Double Elimination where he came right out the gates looking to eat the day one bus for his team.

I can get as far as this being NAI maybe, because sure, wolfMade maybe doesn't want to just die day one twice in a row and get a reputation as that wolf...but in that case why not just play his town game?
I didn't think, I just sorted. My kneejerk reaction is that Made should go in "up".

I don't think I normally open claim mafia. I just decide to this game. Nothing is NAI, everything is AI if given enough context.

I feel like you said a lot of words about Made just now, but actually reading it, I get the sneaking feeling you aren't actually trying to communicate with me. Consider yourself officially downed.

In case I am wrong though, can you explain what you're saying? You seem to say that Made is playing just like wolf!Made in a recent game where he wanted to give his town a path to victory by getting bussed, but then you're saying this is NAI? Why? because wolf!Made might not want to play that way? I don't see how this would be reason to think what you're seeing in Made is NAI at all (aside from the fact that nothing is NAI).
I was actually just asking you how you came up with Made as town. Based on his position in the list it seems like it was one of the "easy ones" and I legit do not see how it could be. This response to being asked about it sort of supports the idea that you just threw him onto the list in a predetermined "looks good here" position rather than actually considering what his alignment might be...so feel free to list me as "downed" because I feel pretty much the same about you.
I made it pretty clear upfront that the list was kneejerk reactions. Yes, Made was easy to have a kneejerk reaction for, and I spent about 1.5 seconds considering his alignment. Don't know what more to tell you there.

You didn't clarify what you were saying about Made. None of it makes sense. If you're town, help me find you by explaining please.
I'm on the new end of this commitment to being cooperative, but...just nah.

You have done nothing but open claim mafia, make up a reads list that when questioned on you take zero responsibility for, and you want me to "help you find me"? Screw it, you can just die and watch from DVC and decide if I am town, since you are apparently not interested in being found yourself.
I tried.

[VOTE: Timsup2nothin] aubergine

to do what, exactly?

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:33 pm @Timsup2nothin could you describe Made’s town game and how it’s different from his wolf game?

In GoC town made was a very good analytical player. He made reads and explained them so that even when he was wrong you could see that the way he was thinking fit in with trying to figure stuff out. In Double Elimination wolfMade just played "in your face, yeah I'm a wolf what of it?" and his partners were on bussing early and got a long way on that cred and very little else.

This little "I'm just posting vids, like it or lump it" Made looks a LOT more like the latter than the former, but that's not really the current point. The current point is that Seanzie is looking at that Made and seeing "oh sure, just town" and when asked how he sees it that way his response is basically "how dare you ask?"

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:09 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:01 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:42 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:26 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:05 pm No thought, just sort. The order in tiers is not perfectly sorted, but the people who come before others in the same tier I had an easier time making a kneejerk read on (I copied the whole list, then sorted the ones I had insta-feelz for first, then once I had a smaller list, forced myself to go through each person and sort them).

Up
Scotty
MacDougall
Made
Marmot
lost monkey
Kylemii
KZA
Long Con
DaisyCloud
Syn
falcon45ca
BoKnows

Neither
Jackofhearts2005
Qwags
Nachomamma8
Alison
Timsup2nothin
Gavial
Quin
Stupid Sexy Flanders

Down
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Enrique
TonyStarkPrime

Seanzie
Since Syn pinged me just in time to see this...why Made?

I can, if forced, go along with "well, open claiming mafia is just what Seanzie does, it's NAI" and continue studying you, but Made throwing an "I'm just gonna post music vids, screw it" party is distinctly not in line with his town behavior and is a lot closer to his play in Double Elimination where he came right out the gates looking to eat the day one bus for his team.

I can get as far as this being NAI maybe, because sure, wolfMade maybe doesn't want to just die day one twice in a row and get a reputation as that wolf...but in that case why not just play his town game?
I didn't think, I just sorted. My kneejerk reaction is that Made should go in "up".

I don't think I normally open claim mafia. I just decide to this game. Nothing is NAI, everything is AI if given enough context.

I feel like you said a lot of words about Made just now, but actually reading it, I get the sneaking feeling you aren't actually trying to communicate with me. Consider yourself officially downed.

In case I am wrong though, can you explain what you're saying? You seem to say that Made is playing just like wolf!Made in a recent game where he wanted to give his town a path to victory by getting bussed, but then you're saying this is NAI? Why? because wolf!Made might not want to play that way? I don't see how this would be reason to think what you're seeing in Made is NAI at all (aside from the fact that nothing is NAI).
I was actually just asking you how you came up with Made as town. Based on his position in the list it seems like it was one of the "easy ones" and I legit do not see how it could be. This response to being asked about it sort of supports the idea that you just threw him onto the list in a predetermined "looks good here" position rather than actually considering what his alignment might be...so feel free to list me as "downed" because I feel pretty much the same about you.
I made it pretty clear upfront that the list was kneejerk reactions. Yes, Made was easy to have a kneejerk reaction for, and I spent about 1.5 seconds considering his alignment. Don't know what more to tell you there.

You didn't clarify what you were saying about Made. None of it makes sense. If you're town, help me find you by explaining please.

I'm on the new end of this commitment to being cooperative, but...just nah.

You have done nothing but open claim mafia, make up a reads list that when questioned on you take zero responsibility for, and you want me to "help you find me"? Screw it, you can just die and watch from DVC and decide if I am town, since you are apparently not interested in being found yourself.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:42 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:26 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:05 pm No thought, just sort. The order in tiers is not perfectly sorted, but the people who come before others in the same tier I had an easier time making a kneejerk read on (I copied the whole list, then sorted the ones I had insta-feelz for first, then once I had a smaller list, forced myself to go through each person and sort them).

Up
Scotty
MacDougall
Made
Marmot
lost monkey
Kylemii
KZA
Long Con
DaisyCloud
Syn
falcon45ca
BoKnows

Neither
Jackofhearts2005
Qwags
Nachomamma8
Alison
Timsup2nothin
Gavial
Quin
Stupid Sexy Flanders

Down
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Enrique
TonyStarkPrime

Seanzie
Since Syn pinged me just in time to see this...why Made?

I can, if forced, go along with "well, open claiming mafia is just what Seanzie does, it's NAI" and continue studying you, but Made throwing an "I'm just gonna post music vids, screw it" party is distinctly not in line with his town behavior and is a lot closer to his play in Double Elimination where he came right out the gates looking to eat the day one bus for his team.

I can get as far as this being NAI maybe, because sure, wolfMade maybe doesn't want to just die day one twice in a row and get a reputation as that wolf...but in that case why not just play his town game?
I didn't think, I just sorted. My kneejerk reaction is that Made should go in "up".

I don't think I normally open claim mafia. I just decide to this game. Nothing is NAI, everything is AI if given enough context.

I feel like you said a lot of words about Made just now, but actually reading it, I get the sneaking feeling you aren't actually trying to communicate with me. Consider yourself officially downed.

In case I am wrong though, can you explain what you're saying? You seem to say that Made is playing just like wolf!Made in a recent game where he wanted to give his town a path to victory by getting bussed, but then you're saying this is NAI? Why? because wolf!Made might not want to play that way? I don't see how this would be reason to think what you're seeing in Made is NAI at all (aside from the fact that nothing is NAI).

I was actually just asking you how you came up with Made as town. Based on his position in the list it seems like it was one of the "easy ones" and I legit do not see how it could be. This response to being asked about it sort of supports the idea that you just threw him onto the list in a predetermined "looks good here" position rather than actually considering what his alignment might be...so feel free to list me as "downed" because I feel pretty much the same about you.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:05 pm No thought, just sort. The order in tiers is not perfectly sorted, but the people who come before others in the same tier I had an easier time making a kneejerk read on (I copied the whole list, then sorted the ones I had insta-feelz for first, then once I had a smaller list, forced myself to go through each person and sort them).

Up
Scotty
MacDougall
Made
Marmot
lost monkey
Kylemii
KZA
Long Con
DaisyCloud
Syn
falcon45ca
BoKnows

Neither
Jackofhearts2005
Qwags
Nachomamma8
Alison
Timsup2nothin
Gavial
Quin
Stupid Sexy Flanders

Down
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Enrique
TonyStarkPrime

Seanzie

Since Syn pinged me just in time to see this...why Made?

I can, if forced, go along with "well, open claiming mafia is just what Seanzie does, it's NAI" and continue studying you, but Made throwing an "I'm just gonna post music vids, screw it" party is distinctly not in line with his town behavior and is a lot closer to his play in Double Elimination where he came right out the gates looking to eat the day one bus for his team.

I can get as far as this being NAI maybe, because sure, wolfMade maybe doesn't want to just die day one twice in a row and get a reputation as that wolf...but in that case why not just play his town game?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:15 pm Down with ketchup!!! \o/

Catching up is a sickness!!!

Beat you to it @Made !!!

Syn wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:14 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:09 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:03 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:52 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:51 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:47 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:45 pmmarmot is here

BK is here!!!!

I'm excietd to be your scum buddy this go around
somewhere, a @Timsup2nothin trembles

How does Syn feel?
I am an unfeeling automaton
Yes, but do you have an opinion on this post? Why have you summoned tim?
you could read the thread and find out

Tell the truth, you just missed me.

Okay, other than Falcon making posts that are so dumb he's probably town not much has happened since my last pass through. Stuff to do, games to play, feel free to ping me for nothing again Syn.

Syn wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:51 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:47 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:45 pmmarmot is here

BK is here!!!!

I'm excietd to be your scum buddy this go around
somewhere, a @Timsup2nothin trembles

Nah. I did shake my head though.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:14 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:04 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 4:46 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 4:41 pm Okay I am caught up.

So.

LongCon is my top town read.

I do not find setup speculation sus, because the setup is obviously highly complicated. The mafia have the GIGANTIC advantage in that they are able to share multiple role cards and get a sense of the scope. For example they most likely came in knowing that some people had far more specific shrine info while others had a wider choice but less information, which town only knows now because of the spec.

That means that Scotty was uninformed, and I am gonna town read him. Alison also.

So I get three town reads off that and consider it a good thing.

Next thing, this game has an inordinate number of mafia claimers. This is annoying AF because at least one of them is probably telling the truth, but there is really no way to say which. Those towns participating in this need to get a grip. Sure, maybe you are an "oh they always meme claim mafia" townie. Maybe you genuinely don't know any other way to clear your slot. If so, get gud scrub. Because you give the wolves the opportunity to pile in behind you in a game this size when there are too many of you.

I am in favor of "all mafia claimers stop now, last one to quit gets chopped."

Next thing, Kyle's play was a little weird, but he is Kyle. The response to Kyle's weird play has been waaaaay more weird. The number of people who have said "that's wolfy," added to the number of people who not only said it but expounded on what was wolfy about it...just does not compute with there being ZERO votes on Kyle. Somewhere in there is at least one wolf, maybe even more than one, that are setting themselves up to be able to pile on a wagon because they are assuming that eventually one just has to take off there.

Not sure who the wolves are, but I am pretty sure Kyle is town.

I think that's all I have so far.
I'm not sure what it is, but this post just reeks to me.

(I also don’t agree that at least one of the wolf-claimers is necessarily telling the truth, but we’ll figure that out. Otherwise it’s a great post.)
I do not find setup speculation sus, because the setup is obviously highly complicated. The mafia have the GIGANTIC advantage in that they are able to share multiple role cards and get a sense of the scope. For example they most likely came in knowing that some people had far more specific shrine info while others had a wider choice but less information, which town only knows now because of the spec.

That means that Scotty was uninformed, and I am gonna town read him. Alison also.

This part just reeks of TMI.

Okay, here we go..."He gave REASONS and they make sense!!! Must be TMI!!! This is the Syndicate!!! Reads are supposed to be based on GUT, or having played a hundred games with someone so META!!! Actual THINKING going into a read is WOLF SIGN!!!"

Buzz off Falcon, seriously.

Okay I am caught up.

So.

LongCon is my top town read.

I do not find setup speculation sus, because the setup is obviously highly complicated. The mafia have the GIGANTIC advantage in that they are able to share multiple role cards and get a sense of the scope. For example they most likely came in knowing that some people had far more specific shrine info while others had a wider choice but less information, which town only knows now because of the spec.

That means that Scotty was uninformed, and I am gonna town read him. Alison also.

So I get three town reads off that and consider it a good thing.

Next thing, this game has an inordinate number of mafia claimers. This is annoying AF because at least one of them is probably telling the truth, but there is really no way to say which. Those towns participating in this need to get a grip. Sure, maybe you are an "oh they always meme claim mafia" townie. Maybe you genuinely don't know any other way to clear your slot. If so, get gud scrub. Because you give the wolves the opportunity to pile in behind you in a game this size when there are too many of you.

I am in favor of "all mafia claimers stop now, last one to quit gets chopped."

Next thing, Kyle's play was a little weird, but he is Kyle. The response to Kyle's weird play has been waaaaay more weird. The number of people who have said "that's wolfy," added to the number of people who not only said it but expounded on what was wolfy about it...just does not compute with there being ZERO votes on Kyle. Somewhere in there is at least one wolf, maybe even more than one, that are setting themselves up to be able to pile on a wagon because they are assuming that eventually one just has to take off there.

Not sure who the wolves are, but I am pretty sure Kyle is town.

I think that's all I have so far.

Syn wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 4:14 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 2:56 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 2:49 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 2:47 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 2:46 pm this is the most useless setup spec ever
Do tell
you're breaking your brain over hypotheticals that no one can answer

nothing you come up with today will matter tomorrow
Perhaps.

But then again I am at least attempting to solve a puzzle and you are...”flood posting”
insofar as thinking about putting together a jigsaw puzzle while it's still wrapped in its box is attempting to solve it, sure

The highly magical assemble the puzzle just by shaking the box. You are deprived.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:44 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:25 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:36 pm Here’s a question for @Long Con and @Timsup2nothin

If you access a shrine without knowing what it does, are you also given any other instructions with that request, or are you just selecting a shrine to access?
Answer pings, then go read.

Ping is difficult to answer. I am required to select a shrine, since there is a definite penalty if I don't. I receive a blessing from that shrine. The strength of the blessing is determined by a factor that is beyond my direct control that would be really dumb of me to discuss, though probably 'in character' for a merchant.

I can hypothesize about different strength levels and different possible blessings, but that is strictly pie in the sky. Like I have this hope that I will find a shrine that gives vig shots, and maybe the "strength" variation is like vig, dayvig, unstoppable strongman vig or something like that. But as far as knowing what I am getting I am flying pretty much blind.
Ok spill no more. Your explanation with a syntax of an additional blessing is more than LC was referencing. Sounds like you people might be getting a non immediate one-shot power to use

LOL...clearly I should have just read further.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:32 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:55 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:39 pm My question can also be answered by anyone else that seems to have the “unknown shrine” affliction.

Plus ha I have the most posts. Maybe I should calm down for a bit
it doesn't tell me a damn thing, just says I can visit shrines
Intriguing.

Game setup with this in mind is quite odd. Because one of my shrines allows me to target. Knowing this, players only allowed to select a shrine tells me that either those shrines pump out a random target for you, or, more likely, give you that ability to use at a later night or the following day.

If the latter, then that’s a crap system where you ain’t doing anything N1. But the shrine powers would probably be much more powerful for those people.

You seem to be assuming that shrines do the same thing for everyone who visits them. I have reason to believe that even what a given shrine does for me is not a fixed thing.

This "supply a target if you select this shrine" thing is interesting. I have been assuming that if I am rewarded with something like a track it will be in the form of "you get a 1x track you can use next night." I don't suppose you would be willing to share which shrine this "supply a target" function applies to? For science!

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 11:51 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 11:23 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:02 am
Spoiler: show
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:28 am quin scotty and enrique all obvious town, lock it in
Not Enrique.
Who are you?
I woke up in a Soho doorway, a policeman knew my name.

I have been really trying not to fluff post, but this was too brilliant to pass up.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:27 am
Quin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:06 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:00 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:56 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:49 am If a vigilante were to accidentally misfire their gun while cleaning it and Gavial were to drop dead in a tragic firearms accident, none of us would blame them.
Since I have an assortment of shrines to choose from I am actively investigating which Daedra are ,ore likely to supply vig shots. Between spin to win, open wolf claim and dip, and the rest of the antics I think we have an abundance of good targets.
Oh, I see what you were confused about now, you don't get told which shrine correlates to which ability. I do, so I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. I'm betting the people who have to take a gamble get slightly more powerful abilities compared to people like me though, so maybe it evens out.
or maybe tim just scumslipped
Nah see that’s what’s I thought on page 1, but if he scumslipped, so did LC. Which is not impossible, I suppose.
But I also wouldn’t put it past sloon to make this game a bit asymmetrical with town capabilities.

In summary: need more game info

The bottom line here is that whatever someone thinks of my alignment, if I am getting actively sussed for bot knowing exactly what shrines would do for me a wolfLongCon doesn't jump in and say "oh neither do I." If I were a wolf that slipped a brother wolf would say "wow Tim thanks for drawing out the info so the rest of us don't fall in the trap, glgl." As town (which, pro tip, I am) there is no reason for a wolfLongCon to do anything but stand back and laugh as I sink.

This seems so obvious that LongCon right now is my top town read and anyone that is sussing him looks pretty sketchy to me.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:12 am if senzie wants to come out here all lol I'm mafia and then I'll be his huckleberry and vote him out. if he flips town then that's on him for throwing the game and loling about it all. if he is mafia then good, his mind games didn't work on me. this is freaking day 1 spice im not gonna swallow lightly. gonna play stupid games get lynched prizes.

endorsed

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:25 am
Syn wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:59 pm I am here for Tim being called a chucklefuck
it now occurs to me that giving Tim lip got me banned on MU

Despite me thinking it was hilarious.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:36 pm Here’s a question for @Long Con and @Timsup2nothin

If you access a shrine without knowing what it does, are you also given any other instructions with that request, or are you just selecting a shrine to access?

Answer pings, then go read.

Ping is difficult to answer. I am required to select a shrine, since there is a definite penalty if I don't. I receive a blessing from that shrine. The strength of the blessing is determined by a factor that is beyond my direct control that would be really dumb of me to discuss, though probably 'in character' for a merchant.

I can hypothesize about different strength levels and different possible blessings, but that is strictly pie in the sky. Like I have this hope that I will find a shrine that gives vig shots, and maybe the "strength" variation is like vig, dayvig, unstoppable strongman vig or something like that. But as far as knowing what I am getting I am flying pretty much blind.

Syn wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:46 am gonna volume clear myself with absolute bottom tier garbage flood posting

Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:26 am Why does he suddenly start caring that I scumread him if he's just joking around and not taking the game too seriously? Why does he go to the extent of misrepping my contributions to the thread and implying that I've been wrong on my reads recently (I haven't, by the way) to try to undermine me? Are those things typical of town Syn too?

In a word? Yes. You are exactly the type of player that Syn would troll on day one.

And he doesn't really seem to be taking it all that seriously here.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:18 am Sarcasm does not actually refute any of the points I've made.

None of your points are not typical of townSyn though to be honest. I get that he is clearly not the textbook "making towny posts" but he pretty much never is early on...and he's got a lot less "and I never plan to" in his style than Gavail or Seansie. I'm not gonna fight for him, but if we are gonna chop somebody for "anti-town style" he isn't my first choice.

Syn wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:10 am let's speed-hammer someone d2 sod

things like that are only funny when they are uncommon...it's definitely too soon to do again

unless we can get logic to sub in so he can be the victim...then the repetition becomes part of the meme

Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:49 am If a vigilante were to accidentally misfire their gun while cleaning it and Gavial were to drop dead in a tragic firearms accident, none of us would blame them.

Since I have an assortment of shrines to choose from I am actively investigating which Daedra are ,ore likely to supply vig shots. Between spin to win, open wolf claim and dip, and the rest of the antics I think we have an abundance of good targets.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:21 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:18 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:14 am Seanzie has also upticked slightly.

Bo is scummy though.
Not seeing any such tick on Seanzie...I hate mafia open claim openers generally but that's NAI, and I have seen no ticking since. What are you seeing there?
I am not a big fan of the new fad of claiming mafia in your first post. It's usually done as either a reaction test or a joke but I feel it doesn't succeed at either. I've seen a lot of townies get exed for doing it too.

The difference between townies doing it and mafia doing it is that townies do it for the memes and have a laid back sarcastic tone about it all. Mafia plunge deep into it in a very performative way because they secretly feel anxiety that people will believe it and therefore make the theatricality of the claim as obvious as possible. It is also a way to generate what is essentially fluff content and they like leaning into that while claiming it is NAI because they do it as town too. Seanzie's claim is much more scummy than townie. However his lack of follow-up is a slight uptick as it shows that he doesn't have the intention of shitting the thread up with fluff while calling it NAI.

k...thanx

Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:14 am Seanzie has also upticked slightly.

Bo is scummy though.

Not seeing any such tick on Seanzie...I hate mafia open claim openers generally but that's NAI, and I have seen no ticking since. What are you seeing there?

KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:49 pm lol why do people care about Gavial spinning a wheel

it's a standard D1 meme

Because the last time I saw him meme day one like this a really silly number of people just townread him for it and yes he then had no reason to do anything else and just stayed with it. On the other hand, in a game where people responded with, "oh, yeah, screw that you can just die" he straightened right up, played and played well, and we won as town.

So I am very much in favor of just telling him "play or die" and letting the results result.

But I am not gonna hard press that issue. If someone seems actively wolfy then that's a better chop.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:39 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 10:43 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 10:39 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 10:15 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 10:10 pm The Wheel Reads!

Lock Town
Nachomamma8

Town
BoKnows
falcon45ca
Kylemii

Lean Town
DaisyCloud
Enrique
Long Con
lost monkey
MacDougall
Made
Qwags
Scotty
Syn

Null Town
KZA
Marmot
Quin
Stupid Sexy Flanders
Timsup2nothin

Null Scum
Alison
Jackofhearts2005
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TonyStarkPrime

Scum
Seanzie
Was this list generated by a wheel of fortune, or did you decide that trying to assign blame to inanimate objects is wicked scummy?
I don’t understand what you mean by the last part but I used wheel decide.
What im saying is, you letting a wheel decide for you is a cheap and easy out from committing to anything or having to be held accountable for your votes.

I find that wicked scummy

I did it before on mafia scum and it was kinda fun.
You can call it wolfy if you want but it ain’t AI.

What it is is a clear attempt to post while being NAI. You could be NAI without posting at all...instead you drop BS in the thread and look for "Gavail making meaningless mouth noises is town" reads that people who have seen you do it before are inclined to give you for some reason.

If you just don't post you are flat rand, but might get readable either because you post or because you get replaced. This is flat rand and shows no promise of ever being readable and should be either chopped or otherwise removed, IMO.

I'd like to play with the Gavail from double elimination instead please.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:31 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:30 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:30 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:55 pm i regret reading the past 100 posts
i do believe syn is syn
you take that fucking back
syn is... tim?

Now you've done it. Gonna take an entire squad to pull Syn off of you now.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 10:10 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 10:05 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 9:33 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:34 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:31 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:28 pm I have a confirmable PR that is unambiguously town-sided.
This seems unlikely from Sloonei's opening material posts, but no one is likely to be in a hurry to kill you, so sure...demonstrate.
One of us is misunderstanding the setup I think.

My reading is that each character accesses different powers from different shrines. So as an example. Altmer Noble may be able to access shrines A, B, C, D and E. Argonian Mage may be able to access shrines C, D, E, F and G. Both can access shrine C but they get different powers from accessing shrine C based on the flavor of C as well as their own character's flavor.

One of the powers I can access from a shrine is confirmable and I think pretty pro-town.
Wow never mind, it was in the first page. Someone else can see stuff.

Ok then, carrying on with my business.

My question still remains if, say for example, the Nords are wont to not worshipping daedra while those cat things worship Rum Tug Tugger
In Elder Scrolls lore I think Daedra worship is universal and sort of universally frowned on officially. There's a "state religion" and the Daedra worshipers are sort of like the tolerated pagans that haven't been successfully brought around. Daedra shrines aren't found in the best part of town, but they aren't exactly hidden. As far as I know there is no racial preferences towards any particular individual Daedra.
Well that’s disappointing. Was hoping to do a little jigsaw puzzle mix n match.

So just to summarize- you can visit a shrine but you have no solid idea of what it gifts you?

I have a pretty wide selection to choose from, and not a clue about any of them.

I think Orcs are just more prone to Daedra worship generally, but maybe they have more of a preference than I ever noticed? I know in the games it seems like every Daedra shrine there will be at least one or two Orcs among the attendants. There is that one shrine in Morrowind where there is a whole settlement od Orcs though and that could be a Malakath shrine so maybe...

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 9:33 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:34 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:31 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:28 pm I have a confirmable PR that is unambiguously town-sided.
This seems unlikely from Sloonei's opening material posts, but no one is likely to be in a hurry to kill you, so sure...demonstrate.
One of us is misunderstanding the setup I think.

My reading is that each character accesses different powers from different shrines. So as an example. Altmer Noble may be able to access shrines A, B, C, D and E. Argonian Mage may be able to access shrines C, D, E, F and G. Both can access shrine C but they get different powers from accessing shrine C based on the flavor of C as well as their own character's flavor.

One of the powers I can access from a shrine is confirmable and I think pretty pro-town.
Wow never mind, it was in the first page. Someone else can see stuff.

Ok then, carrying on with my business.

My question still remains if, say for example, the Nords are wont to not worshipping daedra while those cat things worship Rum Tug Tugger

In Elder Scrolls lore I think Daedra worship is universal and sort of universally frowned on officially. There's a "state religion" and the Daedra worshipers are sort of like the tolerated pagans that haven't been successfully brought around. Daedra shrines aren't found in the best part of town, but they aren't exactly hidden. As far as I know there is no racial preferences towards any particular individual Daedra.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 9:15 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 9:14 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 9:13 pm sorry kyle you're outed bud
Does the townread on someone who hasn't even posted yet mean that person is town or a partner tho?
partner obvs

so we are reading Daisy before she even posts, based on a read on Kyle because he read her before she even posts...

I'm in on this

what could go wrong?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 9:13 pm sorry kyle you're outed bud

Does the townread on someone who hasn't even posted yet mean that person is town or a partner tho?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 9:06 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 9:00 pm Regardless Scotty has towntold a bit in the last couple of pages so I must search for scum elsewhere.

I'm currently thinking the way Flanders jumped on Falcon was bad.
How so? I don’t think anything I’ve said in the past few pages is any different.

Long Con and I both already pointed this out.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 9:06 pm And if what I did was towntell, why am I the only one with question marks pinned to my hat as to why no one else knows what shrines do?

You aren't the only one. Clearly there are some people with characters with greater specifics on shrines, and then there are lesser character types (like merchants) that don't. I started out thinking Alison was suss for info, you started out thinking I was suss for lack of it, people are coming in on both sides so it's probably all NAI. Moving on.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 9:02 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:47 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:41 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:39 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:34 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:01 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:57 pm

It’s far more dangerous to town lock someone early than it is to sus. That’s how town gets shazammed by a towny mafia
Well, presuming that you are town getting bumrushed by tunnelers before the day even gets started is definitely bad for your victory conditions (if you really get hard tunneled that will give the wolves every opportunity to just luff through day one), where a poor town read probably won't hurt you for several days at least.
Meh. I’m used to being a target early because I’m manic. Doesn’t mean I can’t get stuff done. I like discussion. I’m the guy that brings frisbees, whiffle balls and monopoly to the football game in case spectators get bored.
Fair. But it is true that an early "town core" isn't an immediate tragedy, especially since if me, Mac, and Alison are all alive going through the midgame I can pretty well guarantee that the kumbaya hold hands and dance together bit will meet a messy end of tinfoil and tribulations unless we have just slaughtered wolves right left and center to prove to each other that we are on the straight and narrow path. Townreads legit don't do any harm unless they carry to late game.
Town read = / = town lock
Potayto, potahto...day one reads aren't locked to endgame no matter what words are used.

Alison is a lock town sure thing never rescind take it to the BANK!!!!*

*terms and conditions apply...town status subject to re-evaluation without notice...statements arenot to be quoted
p sure mine are going to be this game

Well, yes, but you are an exception.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:45 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:42 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:24 pm I don't know what any Shrines do for anyone. Don't we have to visit them to find out? And should we share what they do publicly?
Yikes. Am I the only town that knows shit? Have I already revealed too much?

Or is Long Con bad with Tim?
This is a terrible theory and you should be ashamed.
I get a townfeel on him for it though.

Me too actually, but not as much as I got from your post.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:41 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:39 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:34 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:01 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:57 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:54 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:51 pm

Someone so quick to townlock others 45 minutes into the game makes me uncomfy.
They hard called you wolf off some opening post NAI stuff and you just fluffed that off, but you are uncomfortable with an equally unfounded town read?
It’s far more dangerous to town lock someone early than it is to sus. That’s how town gets shazammed by a towny mafia
Well, presuming that you are town getting bumrushed by tunnelers before the day even gets started is definitely bad for your victory conditions (if you really get hard tunneled that will give the wolves every opportunity to just luff through day one), where a poor town read probably won't hurt you for several days at least.
Meh. I’m used to being a target early because I’m manic. Doesn’t mean I can’t get stuff done. I like discussion. I’m the guy that brings frisbees, whiffle balls and monopoly to the football game in case spectators get bored.
Fair. But it is true that an early "town core" isn't an immediate tragedy, especially since if me, Mac, and Alison are all alive going through the midgame I can pretty well guarantee that the kumbaya hold hands and dance together bit will meet a messy end of tinfoil and tribulations unless we have just slaughtered wolves right left and center to prove to each other that we are on the straight and narrow path. Townreads legit don't do any harm unless they carry to late game.
Town read = / = town lock

Potayto, potahto...day one reads aren't locked to endgame no matter what words are used.

Alison is a lock town sure thing never rescind take it to the BANK!!!!*

*terms and conditions apply...town status subject to re-evaluation without notice...statements arenot to be quoted

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:24 pm I don't know what any Shrines do for anyone. Don't we have to visit them to find out? And should we share what they do publicly?
Yikes. Am I the only town that knows shit? Have I already revealed too much?

Or is Long Con bad with Tim?

This is a terrible theory and you should be ashamed.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:38 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:32 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:18 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:15 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:52 pm Locking scottie town
Why tho
You're flying and can't see it from up there

But I, a driver, can see

The giant billboard that is Scotty being town
Is this a mason claim?
Not with me.
shhhhh bb just let it happen, we're masons now
... can I be a mason too?

Only with me, and you already predicted that would end badly.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:34 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:01 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:57 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:54 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:51 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:37 pm Since me, Mac and Tim all mercilessly slaughtered each other when all three of us were town in Double Elimination we should make up for it by agreeing to hold hands and dance in a circle and treat each other as locktown this game.
Someone so quick to townlock others 45 minutes into the game makes me uncomfy.
They hard called you wolf off some opening post NAI stuff and you just fluffed that off, but you are uncomfortable with an equally unfounded town read?
It’s far more dangerous to town lock someone early than it is to sus. That’s how town gets shazammed by a towny mafia
Well, presuming that you are town getting bumrushed by tunnelers before the day even gets started is definitely bad for your victory conditions (if you really get hard tunneled that will give the wolves every opportunity to just luff through day one), where a poor town read probably won't hurt you for several days at least.
Meh. I’m used to being a target early because I’m manic. Doesn’t mean I can’t get stuff done. I like discussion. I’m the guy that brings frisbees, whiffle balls and monopoly to the football game in case spectators get bored.

Fair. But it is true that an early "town core" isn't an immediate tragedy, especially since if me, Mac, and Alison are all alive going through the midgame I can pretty well guarantee that the kumbaya hold hands and dance together bit will meet a messy end of tinfoil and tribulations unless we have just slaughtered wolves right left and center to prove to each other that we are on the straight and narrow path. Townreads legit don't do any harm unless they carry to late game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:30 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:30 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:14 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:37 pm Since me, Mac and Tim all mercilessly slaughtered each other when all three of us were town in Double Elimination we should make up for it by agreeing to hold hands and dance in a circle and treat each other as locktown this game.
I agree to do this until Tim invariably pings me late on day 1 and I proceed to tinfoil him for the next 3-4 days until he gets mischopped on day 4 and blames exclusively me for it.
When did this happen? I mean, it sounds realistic and plausible, but I don't keep track in such detail...
Radiohead

I actually blame the mech for me getting mischopped in Radiohead, but don't really think about it much since I think we won. I mean there was no way to not chop me before end game there the way the mech played out.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:14 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:37 pm Since me, Mac and Tim all mercilessly slaughtered each other when all three of us were town in Double Elimination we should make up for it by agreeing to hold hands and dance in a circle and treat each other as locktown this game.
I agree to do this until Tim invariably pings me late on day 1 and I proceed to tinfoil him for the next 3-4 days until he gets mischopped on day 4 and blames exclusively me for it.

When did this happen? I mean, it sounds realistic and plausible, but I don't keep track in such detail...

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:24 pm I don't know what any Shrines do for anyone. Don't we have to visit them to find out? And should we share what they do publicly?

Town.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:15 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:41 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:34 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:31 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:28 pm I have a confirmable PR that is unambiguously town-sided.
This seems unlikely from Sloonei's opening material posts, but no one is likely to be in a hurry to kill you, so sure...demonstrate.
One of us is misunderstanding the setup I think.

My reading is that each character accesses different powers from different shrines. So as an example. Altmer Noble may be able to access shrines A, B, C, D and E. Argonian Mage may be able to access shrines C, D, E, F and G. Both can access shrine C but they get different powers from accessing shrine C based on the flavor of C as well as their own character's flavor.

One of the powers I can access from a shrine is confirmable and I think pretty pro-town.
If you have detailed info on what powers you get from various shrines you are way ahead of me, but I'm pretty deeply in the "yeah typical NPC type character" pool, so sure. Thanks for clarifying because I was mostly thinking this was your fairly typical early game claim and not really aligning well with the set-up, but it does make sense enough now.
Let me lead by example then: I’m going to scumread tim right now.

Maybe I am off base here, but I know exactly what the shrines I can access do, and I am town.
Could it be that some town roles don’t see that into? Maybe.
But I’m currently getting non commital vibes that don’t ring town in tim

I am just a humble merchant and don't know squat from what Daedric shrines do. If you seriously think "unaffiliated with Daedra" is gonna be a wolf tell in this setup, then...sure, go get it tiger. I think that's a really bad assumption.

Let's check the flip side...Alison says that like you she has info on what the shrines do for her...does that make her a lock town in your opinion?

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:08 pm Everyone meet my friend Qwags, Qwags meet everyone.

I am the y in everyone...nice to meet you Qwags.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:04 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:03 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:01 pm This game went from 0-100 real quick. I wouldn't put it past Alison to out this game in overdrive if she was a wolf
Do you put it past her if she is town? Because frankly if you don't this is pretty much just unwarranted shading over something that is NAI.
No I don't.

Okay. Unwarranted shading is generally a bad thing, but you owned up to it so pass for now.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:01 pm This game went from 0-100 real quick. I wouldn't put it past Alison to out this game in overdrive if she was a wolf

Do you put it past her if she is town? Because frankly if you don't this is pretty much just unwarranted shading over something that is NAI.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:57 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:54 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:51 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:37 pm Since me, Mac and Tim all mercilessly slaughtered each other when all three of us were town in Double Elimination we should make up for it by agreeing to hold hands and dance in a circle and treat each other as locktown this game.
Someone so quick to townlock others 45 minutes into the game makes me uncomfy.
They hard called you wolf off some opening post NAI stuff and you just fluffed that off, but you are uncomfortable with an equally unfounded town read?
It’s far more dangerous to town lock someone early than it is to sus. That’s how town gets shazammed by a towny mafia

Well, presuming that you are town getting bumrushed by tunnelers before the day even gets started is definitely bad for your victory conditions (if you really get hard tunneled that will give the wolves every opportunity to just luff through day one), where a poor town read probably won't hurt you for several days at least.

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