The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:43 pm again, sorry for losing faith in ur townyness lavender. u were rly fun to read

awe thanks tutuu

yooooooooo gg everybody

well played, [mention]1612[/mention] [mention]Carotenoid[/mention] [mention]cobbler[/mention] [mention]tedxtr[/mention] [mention]Dyslexicon[/mention]. i guess my tunnel on mp7 clouded my judgement. i took [mention]Urist[/mention]'s tinfoil theory too far lol

sorry for misreading u, [mention]Michelle[/mention]

sorry about misreading u as well, [mention]M Plus 7[/mention]. as you can probably tell, i'm used to having a "guilty until proven innocent" mindset with people. i think that mindset works better in shorter games. i think it made me a little manic this game. will definitely try to be more diplomatic next time ✌

i should have trusted my gut on 1612. if i hadn't been so sure mp7 was gf i would have seen that world more easily, i think

it was an honor to play with u all. i had a lot of fun, lost a lot of sleep, and i'll definitely be back for more some time. thanks for a great game everybody

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:55 am

Lavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:20 am

Lavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:28 am

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:05 pm also just going to throw it out there that a) even if you know who the cop is, it's not always the correct play to kill them, and b) now that the cop is revealed it's easy enough to say "oh yeah i knew who it was".
my first thought when scirrus was killed was, "oh yeah this scum team must be feeling really comfy if they don't even bother hunting for the cop".

/tinfoil

and the winner for the scum team who would feel the most comfy at that point in the game goes to...

mp7/michelle/cobbler

for the record, if this is the scum team then i'm putting mp7 as gf. if urist's "comfy n1 mafia" theory is true, and they all apparently knew tutuu was cop (lol), i think that they either expect tutuu to check

1) urist (to sort out the d1 wagons) or
2) mp7, given that tutuu was asking urist for a scumcase on mp7 that night

FTR this will not happen. I understand you have to push someone but no matter how many times you repeat it, me as mafia will not become reality.

Lavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:27 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:44 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:38 am If Ulrist's wagon has a mafia - assuming our read on Lavander is correct, then i agree Ulrist is most probably villager because otherwise Lavander would be on Nanook to save Ulrist and idk if so many would suspect him for the vote.
All wagons yday as villa wagons are not so hard to believe and in this case wolves felt secure. smh

I don't think Lavender was around EOD.

i was, as i explained in my analysis post after the nanook/lc banish:

Lavender wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:39 am alright motherfuckers, since i'm locktown and am almost certainly the kill tonight, here's a few little brain thoughts. if i don't die, then the following impression and opinions are absolute dogshit and i deny that i ever had them

impressions of end of day (i've not caught up with anything since then):

final votes:
Long Con/nanook
6, 50% Voters: tutuu, protocultures, Scirrus, jeraldooo, Urist, 1612Michelle

Urist
6, 50% Voters: Lavender, Dyslexicon, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Michelle, M Plus 7, Alison

when i came back in the last 10 minutes before eod, i had my vote on proto and was expecting him to be banished, since he had had 4 votes on him when i last posted and that had been suggested by alison and others (side question: who all was on proto at that point?). instead there was a split on nanook and urist, i think about 4 on each at the time. i watched the votes for a while and at one point there were 7 on urist and 4 on lc/nanook (i believe), and i was the only vote still on proto. notably, i think that tutuu was on urist at that point. only a few minutes later, it was 6 on lc/nanook and 5 on urist. that means 2 switched from urist to lc/nanook IN THE FINAL 10 MINUTES. i know tutuu was one of them, please correct me if i'm wrong. does anyone know the other (was it proto?)? so the first thing i'm going to look for is an explanation from tutuu about the switch. i guess she was townreading urist, so i'll be looking for why she was on urist in the first place

now i hadn't paid any attention to nanook since they replaced lc. i had sensed that lc was softing pr (made explicit by proto) and left it at that. now it's clear that many ppl did not feel that way. i'm not sure how the wagon on lc/nanook started, but it struck me as odd. i believe alison, the person wearing the jeans in whose pockets i most UNcomfortably reside, was one of the most vocal about this not being a good idea. absent other context i'm inclined to think mafia is in the lc/nanook votes

i'm still sus of proto, especially if he did indeed switch from urist to lc/nanook. even if he didn't, i seem to recall him sussing urist earlier d1, maybe even in his initial post of reads. so i'll be looking for an explanation for the final vote on on lc/nanook

i haven't paid very much attention to scirrus, dys, jeraldoo, 1612, or mp7, so i'll be looking for justifications for their votes. fwiw i'm only townreading mp7 by proxy, her playstyle and tone is oddest to me and i'm still getting used to it

i had another thought about dys but i forget what it was. i think it's that i stopped townreading them. but they voted urist so..hm

if urist is mafia, i would not be surprised at all if proto is

i'll post updated reads in couple of hours after i've had a chance to read thru everything

i really wish we had banished urist, we would have way more info now imo

i remember this post, what means the cyan coloured?

What info would give you Ulrist's elimination?
I take your push on Ulrist and the yellow coloured text as another proof of an wolfish mindset .

[mention]Michelle[/mention]

the cyan colored means that everyone else seemed to be labeling mp7 town for reasons that weren't clear to me. since i don't know her playstyle i will default to sheeping that read

regarding urist mafia implies proto mafia, i think ur scum and i can't really be bothered to try to justify why i said that. probably something to do with him switching votes from urist to nanook. why r u nitpicking my d1 posts rather than substantially addressing the big picture i'm presenting today?

if u want to convince me that ur town, at the very least, talk to me about mp7. presumably she is town to u. why? and when did u realize tutuu was cop/alison was clear? did u suspect it before the claim?

Lavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:02 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:00 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:59 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:34 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:36 pm hmm. okay i wont push it further

i retract. i dont have a mafia check on 1612 and i didnt check him. i ... kinda buy the reaction? looks solid. im gonna go ahead and treat this as a pseudo town check on 1612. i could be wrong, but i think he's either town or the godfather

im also lock towning mp7 for her effort in already ISOing stuff with the assumption that 1612 is mafia (like he could be godfather still, but maf!mp7 would know that im lying)

sorry for lying and sorry if i wasted ur effort. i thought it was worth the shot

my real peek is urist n1 town

this is what i am talking about @Lavender , mp7 would know that it was a fake peek if she was mafia and gave a pretty good reaction.
so @tutuu i guess the reaction test did do some work but yeah, pretty mean to do that to me when im new to forum and semi setups in general
anyways, i would say take that into consideration ,cause so far I don't see anything logical that points mp7 scum

can u quote her exact reaction? i disagree that eagerness to look at isos is a reason to tr her. like, she concludes the check is obviously fake. what's the easiest way to pretend it's not? pretend it's real by acting excited about it

like to me it's obvious that she would pretend it's real. it's nai at best

here's the kicker: she says she is going to iso stuff and look for associations. i saw her doing that all the time when i iso'ed her. did she ever post justified conclusions she came to as a result of those isos?

like i know she posted reads at least twice, but was she ever even pressured to justify how those reads resulted from her research?

Lavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:00 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:59 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:34 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:36 pm hmm. okay i wont push it further

i retract. i dont have a mafia check on 1612 and i didnt check him. i ... kinda buy the reaction? looks solid. im gonna go ahead and treat this as a pseudo town check on 1612. i could be wrong, but i think he's either town or the godfather

im also lock towning mp7 for her effort in already ISOing stuff with the assumption that 1612 is mafia (like he could be godfather still, but maf!mp7 would know that im lying)

sorry for lying and sorry if i wasted ur effort. i thought it was worth the shot

my real peek is urist n1 town

this is what i am talking about @Lavender , mp7 would know that it was a fake peek if she was mafia and gave a pretty good reaction.
so @tutuu i guess the reaction test did do some work but yeah, pretty mean to do that to me when im new to forum and semi setups in general
anyways, i would say take that into consideration ,cause so far I don't see anything logical that points mp7 scum

can u quote her exact reaction? i disagree that eagerness to look at isos is a reason to tr her. like, she concludes the check is obviously fake. what's the easiest way to pretend it's not? pretend it's real by acting excited about it

like to me it's obvious that she would pretend it's real. it's nai at best

here's the kicker: she says she is going to iso stuff and look for associations. i saw her doing that all the time when i iso'ed her. did she ever post justified conclusions she came to as a result of those isos?

Lavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:59 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:34 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:36 pm hmm. okay i wont push it further

i retract. i dont have a mafia check on 1612 and i didnt check him. i ... kinda buy the reaction? looks solid. im gonna go ahead and treat this as a pseudo town check on 1612. i could be wrong, but i think he's either town or the godfather

im also lock towning mp7 for her effort in already ISOing stuff with the assumption that 1612 is mafia (like he could be godfather still, but maf!mp7 would know that im lying)

sorry for lying and sorry if i wasted ur effort. i thought it was worth the shot

my real peek is urist n1 town

this is what i am talking about @Lavender , mp7 would know that it was a fake peek if she was mafia and gave a pretty good reaction.
so @tutuu i guess the reaction test did do some work but yeah, pretty mean to do that to me when im new to forum and semi setups in general
anyways, i would say take that into consideration ,cause so far I don't see anything logical that points mp7 scum

can u quote her exact reaction? i disagree that eagerness to look at isos is a reason to tr her. like, she concludes the check is obviously fake. what's the easiest way to pretend it's not? pretend it's real by acting excited about it

like to me it's obvious that she would pretend it's real. it's nai at best

1612 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:34 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:36 pm hmm. okay i wont push it further

i retract. i dont have a mafia check on 1612 and i didnt check him. i ... kinda buy the reaction? looks solid. im gonna go ahead and treat this as a pseudo town check on 1612. i could be wrong, but i think he's either town or the godfather

im also lock towning mp7 for her effort in already ISOing stuff with the assumption that 1612 is mafia (like he could be godfather still, but maf!mp7 would know that im lying)

sorry for lying and sorry if i wasted ur effort. i thought it was worth the shot

my real peek is urist n1 town

this is what i am talking about @Lavender , mp7 would know that it was a fake peek if she was mafia and gave a pretty good reaction.
so @tutuu i guess the reaction test did do some work but yeah, pretty mean to do that to me when im new to forum and semi setups in general
anyways, i would say take that into consideration ,cause so far I don't see anything logical that points mp7 scum

can u quote her exact reaction? i disagree that eagerness to look at isos is a reason to tr her. like, she concludes the check is obviously fake. what's the easiest way to pretend it's not? pretend it's real by acting excited about it

Lavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:26 pm please let me post my final thoughts before mafia hammers me

okay i posted my legacy reads, mafia come at me

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:43 pm Not much to do since nobody else is posting. @1612 @jeraldooo, get in here. If you are town, show me so I can put you out of my POE.

[VOTE: Lavender] aubergine

this vote is honestly flattering af, i'm blushing here

Lavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:02 pm the lion king, according to lavender

*tutuu forced mafia to bus each other, i forced them to bus mp7

the lion king, according to lavender

i think that mp7 and michelle are outed mafia, and mp7 is gf. i think the third mafia is most likely cobbler-ted (hi, [mention]tedxtr[/mention]!). if it's not cobbler-ted, it's jeraldoo. if it's not jeraldoo, it's 1612. how i arrived at this conclusion should be clear from my last few posts. long story short, i think urist hit the nail on the head that scirrus being the n1 kill reeks of mafia being comfy n1. if they weren't comfy, they would try to kill cop instead. mp7/michelle/cobbler is easily the comfiest scumteam of the three possibilities in my book (mp7/michelle/cobbler-ted, mp7/michelle/jeraldoo, mp7/michelle/1612)

i think mp7/michelle/cobbler-ted headed into n1 confident that none of them would be or had been cop checked. my impression was that mp7 was universally townread (on her meta, i guess? i don't really understand it at all). michelle was townread by alison (and tutuu?) after alison seemed satisfied by michelle's defense in response to alison's push. cobbler-ted also seemed to be universally townread for a town/gamesolvey mindset in his early posts

frankly i think these three go into n1 with a gameplan of pocketing alison and tutuu all game. they reason that tutuu is cop (based on softing alison as the n0 check?) and will probably check urist to resolve the confusion surrounding the nanook-lc/urist split on eod1. they reason that they can either push a misbanish on urist as gf OR take credit for townreading urist early, depending on how alison/tutuu are leaning about the whole situation

this is consistent with my reads on pretty much every other player as well, as well as other associations i've picked up on:

1) i went into n1 most suspicious of urist, proto, and tutuu. i poked at urist and found his reaction to be extremely town. i questioned tutuu and found her response to be extremely town

2) tutuu's brilliant cop reveal d2 which asked all the players for their reads sent mp7 and cobbler running for the hills. i remember me and dys being active posters after that reveal. i remember michelle and mp7 promising reads later. my impression of the claim was that tutuu had a red check. i noticed that tutuu had been asking urist for a scumcase on mp7 the previous night. i reasoned that mp7 was the red check and indicated this in the post containing my reads. this claim was universally ignored, which is extremely consistent with mp7 being gf: she and her mafia pals would know that her actually being the red check is impossible, so how can any of them respond to my claim without implicating themselves? i guess their best play is hard bussing mp7. indeed, the brilliancy of tutuu's play, to me, is that she essentially forced mafia to bus mp7. the simple explanation for their silence, to me, is that they missed the boat on that opportunity

3) on the other hand, dys' excited reaction to the cop claim and reads are super town to me at this point (townreading urist, skepticism of mp7)

4) i don't think i can prove this, but i wonder if anyone else can recall who was on the brief alison wagon d1. i think it was me/proto/urist, and one other person at one point. my candidate scumteam not being on this vote is consistent with their plan to pocket alison. according to 1612 in his most recent post, michelle was on the alison wagon but then jumped off of it. this could be nervousness about sticking to the script of pocketing alison/tutuu. the motivations for this, if it actually happened, definitely needs to be probed [mention]Michelle[/mention]

5) i went into n2 pretty sus of mp7, and was in fact the lone voter on her d2 before proto was killed (nobody else even voted that day, lol). i also intended to get more information from 1612 and jeraldoo, if possible. i came out of this with a slight town lean on 1612. at one point i was looking at what i thought were proto's legacy reads (it turned out to in fact be mp7's d1 read list, oops). this list suggested that alison was clear, and i was intrigued by the town reads on urist and dys. liking these reads is what led to my offhand claim that "alison town implies michelle is mafia". michelle became extremely defensive of this statement and immediately omgussed me. moreover, her interactions with me since then do not address the big picture of my current reads. rather, they are simply nitpicking my statements out of context

6) i would suggest pressuring mp7/michelle/cobbler-ted for an explanation of how exactly they came to the conclusion that alison and tutuu were town. their answers to these questions will be very telling. given the world where my candidate scumteam pockets alison and tutuu all game, the earlier they point out that they knew tutuu was cop, the more sus they are [mention]M Plus 7[/mention] [mention]Michelle[/mention] [mention]tedxtr[/mention]

call this all mafia tmi if u want, idrc. i feel absolutely great about these reads, so much so that i'm almost tempted to self-vote today since i'm fucking exhausted and it would be an easy way to draw more attention to the world i see. i'm not going to do this out of respect for my fellow players, and on the off-chance that cobbler-ted is not the third mafia -- i wouldn't want to waste our last misbanish. i will put mp7/michelle scum at 90% certainty, mp7 gf at 80%, and cobbler mafia at 70%

let me just say that i will hold the L for the rest of my life if urist is mafia. pocketing me n1 with a billboard town response to my n1 reaction check, and then leading me down the path i'm on now, if it's misguided, is literally the plot of the movie inception

i'm voting mp7 now

tl;dr fucking iso me if u misbanish me, mp7/michelle/cobbler-ted are probably scum, this game is solved
banish mp7 --> michelle --> cobbler --> jeraldoo

1612 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:39 pm @Michelle why did you swapped off of Alison?

holy shit michelle jumped off the alison wagon d1? that's huge

please let me post my final thoughts before mafia hammers me

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:44 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:38 am If Ulrist's wagon has a mafia - assuming our read on Lavander is correct, then i agree Ulrist is most probably villager because otherwise Lavander would be on Nanook to save Ulrist and idk if so many would suspect him for the vote.
All wagons yday as villa wagons are not so hard to believe and in this case wolves felt secure. smh

I don't think Lavender was around EOD.

i was, as i explained in my analysis post after the nanook/lc banish:

Lavender wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:39 am alright motherfuckers, since i'm locktown and am almost certainly the kill tonight, here's a few little brain thoughts. if i don't die, then the following impression and opinions are absolute dogshit and i deny that i ever had them

impressions of end of day (i've not caught up with anything since then):

final votes:
Long Con/nanook
6, 50% Voters: tutuu, protocultures, Scirrus, jeraldooo, Urist, 1612Michelle

Urist
6, 50% Voters: Lavender, Dyslexicon, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Michelle, M Plus 7, Alison

when i came back in the last 10 minutes before eod, i had my vote on proto and was expecting him to be banished, since he had had 4 votes on him when i last posted and that had been suggested by alison and others (side question: who all was on proto at that point?). instead there was a split on nanook and urist, i think about 4 on each at the time. i watched the votes for a while and at one point there were 7 on urist and 4 on lc/nanook (i believe), and i was the only vote still on proto. notably, i think that tutuu was on urist at that point. only a few minutes later, it was 6 on lc/nanook and 5 on urist. that means 2 switched from urist to lc/nanook IN THE FINAL 10 MINUTES. i know tutuu was one of them, please correct me if i'm wrong. does anyone know the other (was it proto?)? so the first thing i'm going to look for is an explanation from tutuu about the switch. i guess she was townreading urist, so i'll be looking for why she was on urist in the first place

now i hadn't paid any attention to nanook since they replaced lc. i had sensed that lc was softing pr (made explicit by proto) and left it at that. now it's clear that many ppl did not feel that way. i'm not sure how the wagon on lc/nanook started, but it struck me as odd. i believe alison, the person wearing the jeans in whose pockets i most UNcomfortably reside, was one of the most vocal about this not being a good idea. absent other context i'm inclined to think mafia is in the lc/nanook votes

i'm still sus of proto, especially if he did indeed switch from urist to lc/nanook. even if he didn't, i seem to recall him sussing urist earlier d1, maybe even in his initial post of reads. so i'll be looking for an explanation for the final vote on on lc/nanook

i haven't paid very much attention to scirrus, dys, jeraldoo, 1612, or mp7, so i'll be looking for justifications for their votes. fwiw i'm only townreading mp7 by proxy, her playstyle and tone is oddest to me and i'm still getting used to it

i had another thought about dys but i forget what it was. i think it's that i stopped townreading them. but they voted urist so..hm

if urist is mafia, i would not be surprised at all if proto is

i'll post updated reads in couple of hours after i've had a chance to read thru everything

i really wish we had banished urist, we would have way more info now imo

Lavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:28 am

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:05 pm also just going to throw it out there that a) even if you know who the cop is, it's not always the correct play to kill them, and b) now that the cop is revealed it's easy enough to say "oh yeah i knew who it was".
my first thought when scirrus was killed was, "oh yeah this scum team must be feeling really comfy if they don't even bother hunting for the cop".

/tinfoil

and the winner for the scum team who would feel the most comfy at that point in the game goes to...

mp7/michelle/cobbler

for the record, if this is the scum team then i'm putting mp7 as gf. if urist's "comfy n1 mafia" theory is true, and they all apparently knew tutuu was cop (lol), i think that they either expect tutuu to check

1) urist (to sort out the d1 wagons) or
2) mp7, given that tutuu was asking urist for a scumcase on mp7 that night

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:05 pm also just going to throw it out there that a) even if you know who the cop is, it's not always the correct play to kill them, and b) now that the cop is revealed it's easy enough to say "oh yeah i knew who it was".
my first thought when scirrus was killed was, "oh yeah this scum team must be feeling really comfy if they don't even bother hunting for the cop".

/tinfoil

and the winner for the scum team who would feel the most comfy at that point in the game goes to...

mp7/michelle/cobbler

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:21 am wait. what?
@Lavender so you went sheeping Proto but instead you were sheeping M7 with the read on me?

You agree you shaded me openly in a one sentence post and now you constructed a reason for it who is pretty weak :/
If you are villager and made this i am more dissapointed than if you did it as mafia tbh

it helped me complete my reads

no ragrets

oh one last thing, was it u [mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] that said u thought that mp7's reaction to the cop check on 1612 was town (something about eagerness to dive into isos)? cuz i don't buy that at all. if anything it's more evidence for mp7/1612 being w/w

like for [mention]M Plus 7[/mention] to convince me she's town she's going to have to explain to me how her reads changed, given the incredulity she expressed towards "alison town implies michelle mafia"

i was trying more to dig inside my own brain to understand why i posted the "alison town implies michelle mafia" thing. i iso'ed proto and was just thinking about how much i liked proto's legacy reads for including both dys AND urist when i realized i was mistaken: i had been looking at proto QUOTING MP7's READS. ahhahahahahaha

imagine the conlusions we'll reach if and when mp7 flips scum. look at these reads:

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:33 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:47 pm MP7 D1 vibes reads

Strong town
Dyslexicon
Scirrus
Urist

Moderate town
cobbler
protocultures

Slight town
Alison

Mind vs. gut battle
tutuu

POE
1612
jeraldooo
Lavender
Long Con
Michelle

This is how I'm feeling right now. Players are sorted across tiers, but alphabetically within them.

I almost want to give LC a slight town read, but I'm awaiting more data. I need to go back and look at Lavender again but eh. 1612, jeraldo, and Michelle have essentially no content to judge.

It almost feels probable I'm wrong about one of my town reads, but that's okay. The game doesn't need to be solved right now!

Can you tell us/me about your mafia meta? Do you hard protect partners or bus them to distance. How do you react with newer players as team mates. Do you hard protect or bus. If a team mate is under heavy pressure do you cut them loose and bus or try and reform towncore to include them and ride or die.

I realised it was so easy to ignore/townread you because you are so nice and polite all the time. Not a bad thing for life, but it inherently biases me to think you can't be scum. I shouldn't have that mindset at all.

Can you point to one or two things people have done to explain each read? You can ignore the Poe list because I understand why they are in your Poe.

sidenote: if u believe these reads u have to acknowledge that taking them as fact, the statement that "alison town implies michelle mafia" is a pretty easy one to come to

double sidenote: would love to hear [mention]M Plus 7[/mention] answer proto's questions, if she hasn't already

let's give reads and responses shall we. this will be my last post that i put this much effort into for at least the next 12 hours. i'm gonna opt to keep it all together since i can see myself becoming the push and i think mafia is getting in on it. i want to limit opportunities for mafia to take (or town to construe) these comments out of context

(sidenote: [mention]Alison[/mention], do u really think it's wise to push me this hard before u give the unconfirms an opportunity to push? at least let them give their thoughts on me before u brand me scum. mafia gonna sheep the hell out of u as a shiny confirmed town)

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:37 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:21 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:05 pm also just going to throw it out there that a) even if you know who the cop is, it's not always the correct play to kill them, and b) now that the cop is revealed it's easy enough to say "oh yeah i knew who it was".
my first thought when scirrus was killed was, "oh yeah this scum team must be feeling really comfy if they don't even bother hunting for the cop".

/tinfoil

actually apt af

I was going to just say "I am going to kill you" again and leave it at that, but I'm genuinely curious how you'll respond if I ask you why you seem to have so completely discounted the possibility of a team like, eg. 1612/jeraldo/cobbler, when you did not mention anything during the discussion about the "inactives" being the team.

i think it's genuinely plausible. i wasn't consciously trying to discount this possibility. i townread cobbler early game for similar reasons to what others said. i stand with the vocal majority calling attention to the fact that he hasn't posted in 72 hours and needs to get in here for a re-evaluation

the reason i have avoided talking about jeraldoo is because my thoughts or lack thereof surrounding his alignment this game may or may not be rooted in reasons that i can't disclose. not touching that shit with a 10 foot pole. if @jeraldooo comes and participates, i will provide reads on him. i don't have any reads on what he's said so far

my intention of trying to talk to 1612 earlier when it was just the two of us was to get a better sense of his alignment. i really wanted to sus him for not seeming like he was enjoying the game. i liked the effort that he put into his reads and i considered our interaction to be typical of interactions i've had with him when he is town. on the other hand if the godfather is in urist/1612, put me on the 1612 boat. urist is town to me for our interaction last night (me putting pressure on him and him just brushing it aside). agree that 1612 is not goon

now in response to the following

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:26 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:21 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:05 pm also just going to throw it out there that a) even if you know who the cop is, it's not always the correct play to kill them, and b) now that the cop is revealed it's easy enough to say "oh yeah i knew who it was".
my first thought when scirrus was killed was, "oh yeah this scum team must be feeling really comfy if they don't even bother hunting for the cop".

/tinfoil

actually apt af

yeah but the more likely scenario is that it's like jeraldooo, cobbler + someone else who doesn't care / isn't paying attention

yeah…i’m gonna go ahead and call urist hard town. [mention]Urist[/mention], do u still think that someone else could be mp7? i have a scumcase that i've been building and haven't had an opportunity to put into words since u mentioned ur sus on her last night, here it is if u or the conftown are interested

scumcase on mp7:

[mention]M Plus 7[/mention] i iso-ed u earlier today and ur d1 is textbook scummy by the standards of the community i come from, or at the very least by me. to me, it's a whole lot of asking questions of other players and not following up, and making promises to deliver reads later that never get fulfilled. u say that we shouldn't base our alignments of u on ur tone or demeanor. fine. why, then, should we townread u? this is why i asked u earlier what u have done to deserve a townread from me. i mostly see u sheeping reads and wagons. nothing u've done this game seems transparent to me

also, to say that all i've done is to throw shade seems like a deliberate (and hasty) misrepresentation of my gameplay. at the very least, u have to give me credit for reaction checks and meming about jetski astrology

other reads:

michelle i'm leaning scum. the reason for the "if Alison is town Michelle is mafia" comment had to do with something i was thinking after reading proto's legacy reads that was on my mind at the time (can't remember now), and was probably also influenced by my previous dankmeme sesh with 1612 (really, u should iso me for context). maybe i got a little off the chain. all that to say the reasons for posting that comment weren't particularly well thought out. though i really didn't like how michelle reacted to it. seemed overly defensive to me with the immediate omgus. the only reason i ever townread michelle was, again, because they claimed villy rather than pr when pressured by alison

dys: i think town (in a large part by alison proxy), will come back to if i have time. a huuuuuge positive in my book is that dys sees urist as town, or at least did yesterday.


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by way of defending myself:

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:49 pm
Lavender - I have strong feelings about the "if Alison is town Michelle is mafia" post since I think Michelle is town. Reeks of trying to set up a double misexe. I'm scumleaning Lav.

i know most of u don't know me as a player, but puhhhh-lease give scum lavender enough credit to not throw out an unsubstantiated inference designed to mastermind a double misbanish


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tl;dr, susses most scummy to least scummy
mp7
michelle
1612/cobbler
jeraldoo
dys

town circle: lav, alison, tutuu, urist

if i don't have a chance to do another post involving this amount of effort, please consider these my legacy reads rather than some overeager memey shit i say tomorrow that gets me powerbanished

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:05 pm also just going to throw it out there that a) even if you know who the cop is, it's not always the correct play to kill them, and b) now that the cop is revealed it's easy enough to say "oh yeah i knew who it was".
my first thought when scirrus was killed was, "oh yeah this scum team must be feeling really comfy if they don't even bother hunting for the cop".

/tinfoil

actually apt af

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:01 pm I don't know what's the name of this fallacy or paradox, but

"2) i've seen a whole lot of hastily justified town reads (e.g. alison for the mysterious "M" reason)" - Lavender

I desire to townread Lavender for this line, because I think if he's Mafia he puts 2 + 2 together and figures out I'm cop with Alison n0. Because I think it's silly of him if he couldn't do that as Mafia. But, if he does end up being Mafia, and I wrongly cleared him for it, then the embarassment falls on me. I'm sure this situation has some kind of name

ah yes, the old occam's-razor-in-a-caramel-apple gambit

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:25 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:22 pm anybody else notice that michelle got away without giving reads before tutuu gave her checks? and then continued posting for half an hour after they said they were going to sleep? no? just me? aight then

I am going to kill you.

ouch, alright then. i'll work on getting a complete gamesolve written up and posted between now and my green flip

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:25 pm gut reading 1612 not villagery for the looong explanation about the cop claims and the double explanation about Long Con.

Derping is sweet when is spontaneous. Idk if i am right but is what i felt reading that.

Add the lack of reaction at my ping and at the fact i voted him.

@tutuu i will keep my word but now i have to sleep. Anyway in my Poe rn i have Lavander and 1612, and i think Alison may go either way.

If i would try to FPS a red check as fake cop i would go for Lavander.

Funny thing, my MU sig contains a quote "Wolves never w peek someone".

anybody else notice that michelle got away without giving reads before tutuu gave her checks? and then continued posting for half an hour after they said they were going to sleep? no? just me? aight then

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:14 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:13 amextremely notably, i posted this before tutuu claimed cop. i am not cop. the play of non-cop town claiming a red check on someone they sus in this d2 seems clear to me: if they are actually mafia and they or their partners believe the claim, their reaction may be very telling. i feel that the likelihood of the real cop taking this is a hard cop claim and rashly counter claiming is below the caliber of all the players in this game, from what i can tell (note, for example, that tutuu didn't even acknowledge it). the wifom here was directed at mafia. obviously it serves no purpose now

also i'm taking credit for tutuu surviving last night. i like to think my directing sus at her confused the shit out of them

ur welcome tutuu

My worry was just that, that your post may prompt the cop to claim. But actually, I don't mind Tutu claiming here either way. She was probably not very well hidden anyway.

With that last sentence, are you claiming that your read on Tutu was fake and done on purpose to protect her?

no, i can't in good conscience say that was my intention (i definitely wasn't thinking tutuu was cop, or even that there was a cop in the setup). but i would like to think it confused mafia and kept tutuu alive

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:10 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:09 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:06 pm 1612 please don't talk about OGI stuff even more than you already have. It's a violation of game integrity.

Huh, my opinion was that reading people scum is all about IRL reads. I don't think this is necessarily too much OGI or maybe I am wrong? It jsut seemed like a lot of people thought he was scummy for an obvious fake cop claim so I am giving some people context and not let people automatically scumread Lavendar. Or is explaining that OGI, too? If that is so, I will not talk about it anymore. I just thought you guys were saying how Nanoook is easier to read for you guys so I was trying to do the same.

Hey 1612, it's appreciated! But technically in forum mafia, anything that happens outside of the confines of the actual game thread would be considered OGI. Hope that makes sense!

no, this doesn't really make sense to me. i think u r misunderstanding 1612's question. iirc at least 2 ppl called u town d1 because u were playing similar in this game to how u played town in another game. in fact, it seems like pretty much all y'alls d1 is based on discussing player meta, hell ur first question to me was asking me about whether how often i use reaction checking in my playstyle. i think that's what 1612 means by IRL reads

i assumed the criticism of 1612 was bringing up the OGI relating to DMs, which is against the rules of this site as i understand them. if i am misunderstanding, please let me know [mention]1612[/mention] [mention]M Plus 7[/mention]

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:45 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:12 pm i had a busy day all day and is 10 pm and i can finally play. Catching up, saw the Eod and the flip

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:33 pm okay back to serious business

ahem

if alison is town michelle is mafia

i am not mafia no matter what. This sentence is suspicious because you are speculating over a world you have no infos creating a false narrative.

I would insta vote you in day time for this.

also, the statement "if alison is town michelle is mafia" is only false if you and alison are v/v. why is that the world we live in? @Michelle

in particular, why do u tr alison?

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:12 pm i had a busy day all day and is 10 pm and i can finally play. Catching up, saw the Eod and the flip

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:33 pm okay back to serious business

ahem

if alison is town michelle is mafia

i am not mafia no matter what. This sentence is suspicious because you are speculating over a world you have no infos creating a false narrative.

I would insta vote you in day time for this.

also, the statement "if alison is town michelle is mafia" is only false if you and alison are v/v. why is that the world we live in? [mention]Michelle[/mention]

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:28 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:24 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:12 pm i had a busy day all day and is 10 pm and i can finally play. Catching up, saw the Eod and the flip

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:33 pm okay back to serious business

ahem

if alison is town michelle is mafia

i am not mafia no matter what. This sentence is suspicious because you are speculating over a world you have no infos creating a false narrative.

I would insta vote you in day time for this.

i have my reasons for this pov, and i've paid my dues since the cop claim. talk to me when u've posted the reads tutuu requested

explain the coloured pls

of course you did your homework, how could you miss the oportunity to look useful?

i don't feel the need to look useful rn

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:12 pm i had a busy day all day and is 10 pm and i can finally play. Catching up, saw the Eod and the flip

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:33 pm okay back to serious business

ahem

if alison is town michelle is mafia

i am not mafia no matter what. This sentence is suspicious because you are speculating over a world you have no infos creating a false narrative.

I would insta vote you in day time for this.

i have my reasons for this pov, and i've paid my dues since the cop claim. talk to me when u've posted the reads tutuu requested

okay back to serious business

ahem

if alison is town michelle is mafia

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:25 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:23 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:20 pm i actually love the early cop claim from tutuu, i'd be sweating if i was maf lol

D2 cop claim? It's a huge boost of info that's for sure but I think it's way too soon, pretty different than mafia.gg thats for sure. If I had a red check as cop I woudl wait to see who he/she pushes and then reveal the next day
Anyways gotta get back to work.

My favorite type of jetski is SEA-DOO cause that sounds funny

sea doo huh, that's pretty fitting for your personality

im a kawasaki man myself, we tend to be aggresive, independent, and possessive

for the uniniatiated, sea-doos are complex creatures but one thing they all have in common in self votes d1. they claim it "generates info" but idk tbh

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:25 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:23 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:20 pm i actually love the early cop claim from tutuu, i'd be sweating if i was maf lol

D2 cop claim? It's a huge boost of info that's for sure but I think it's way too soon, pretty different than mafia.gg thats for sure. If I had a red check as cop I woudl wait to see who he/she pushes and then reveal the next day
Anyways gotta get back to work.

My favorite type of jetski is SEA-DOO cause that sounds funny

sea doo huh, that's pretty fitting for your personality

im a kawasaki man myself, we tend to be aggresive, independent, and possessive

oh wait no that's yamaha, sorry. kawasaki's are usually meek, passive, problem solvers. totally not me lol. tbh that's why i stopped believing in jetski astrology

1612 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:23 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:20 pm i actually love the early cop claim from tutuu, i'd be sweating if i was maf lol

D2 cop claim? It's a huge boost of info that's for sure but I think it's way too soon, pretty different than mafia.gg thats for sure. If I had a red check as cop I woudl wait to see who he/she pushes and then reveal the next day
Anyways gotta get back to work.

My favorite type of jetski is SEA-DOO cause that sounds funny

sea doo huh, that's pretty fitting for your personality

im a kawasaki man myself, we tend to be aggresive, independent, and possessive

1612 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:20 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:17 pm @1612 who would u have checked if u were cop

I would have checked someone that I don't have an irl read on and was sussing my town read. So probably MP7 but it doesn't make sense lol because I was under the guise that Urist was softing so by this scenario I would have sussed urist more and followed mp7 more

if u were going to fake claim cop today with a red check on someone in order to reaction check, who would it be?

[mention]1612[/mention] what is ur favorite type of jetski

i actually love the early cop claim from tutuu, i'd be sweating if i was maf lol

@1612 who would u have checked if u were cop

[mention]1612[/mention] let's pretend this is mafia.gg and meme

[mention]1612[/mention]

@1612 u up

oh that's cool, we have more time than i thought. i'll be be back later

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:10 am

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:26 am
scum:

mp7 (only because i bet tutuu checked mp7, and it seems like she has a red for us. makes sense now why tutuu was asking for a scumcase from alison or whomever. dys, i'm assuming this is the conclusion you came to as well, and i'm posting it now because i won't have time to post again for another 12 hours probably)

Wait, what?

who do u think tutuu checked, mp7? do u disagree that tutuu softed that they would check u? what have u done this game that deserves a townread?

(sidenote: i've pointed it out already, but tutuu was asking for a scumcase on mp7 from urist, not alison)

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:10 am
Scum (highest mafia equity to lowest)

Urist - had been softing cop by saying he knows im town, doesnt need to explain it, will explain it if it looks like I will be condemned etc. I dont think anyone can credibly cc Tutuu here, probably one of the hardest people to win a cc cop fight against because shes so polarised as a player. Also baited out a cop claim too early imo unless tutuu has a redcheck. Even if tutuu has a redcheck, dont think cop always has to out here with 2 alive. Tutuu was never in danger of dying D2, so only question is whether they would have died N2.

Michelle - on re-read and iso, I dont like their posts and kind of think Alison was right to push for her on Day 1.

Lavender - his progression on me is nonexistant. Nothing is explained. His last updated reads list is like wtf dude, you cant just constantly change all of your reads and say everything was a reaction test. You are like trying to be too weird to be mafia, but you are probably just mafia here now. Either way, you are going to be scumread and in everyones POE for yeetville.

i know ur dead but i'm going to respond to this anyway

no, trying to be too weird to be mafia would be hard cc-ing tutuu's cop claim right now with what i think is the same check. i feel that my reads have actually been pretty consistent/justified this game, at least since lc/nanook flipped (with the exception of casting and then retracting sus on tutuu). if anyone has questions, get @ me

oh that was urist that tutuu was asking for a scumcase on mp7 last night, not alison. so there's definitely mafia in urist/mp7

proto flipping blue makes mp7 look slightly better and urist look much worse. doesn't change the rest of my reads

am I the only one who thinks u all should just give ur gut reads without justification rather than "I'll post a novel later," like u can justify after the fact. seems like a no brainer, esp if if transparency is ur thing. like this is precious time we have with tutuu here. guess that's just me

where my sheep at

reads off the top of my head

scum:

alison (i've been pretending to trust alison, i don't really trust her, but i can't really put a finger on why)
proto (tho less so than yesterday, i trust him more after last night/this morning)
1612 (i think the fact that they are scum is part of why they aren't having a good time)
mp7 (only because i bet tutuu checked mp7, and it seems like she has a red for us. makes sense now why tutuu was asking for a scumcase from alison or whomever. dys, i'm assuming this is the conclusion you came to as well, and i'm posting it now because i won't have time to post again for another 12 hours probably)

town:

michelle (explained why yesterday)
dys (by proxy from alison's read)
cobbler (also by proxy, but also that they said they were nervous early on but had been providing good compilation of info yesterday)
urist (i trust them after our interaction last night)
jeraldoo (the questionably pseudo-ogi reason proto mentioned about them joining late yesterday)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:48 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:10 pm good morning gamers

I hard retract my retraction of my town read on tutuu

now I just have to decide whether to claim a red check on 1612 or alison

Claiming one on 1612 seems safer tbh

I'll think about it a little more and get back to u all v soon

Cop baiting, anyone? Tutu has claimed cop now, so why, as town, would you want to give the impression that you are cop if you're not?

extremely notably, i posted this before tutuu claimed cop. i am not cop. the play of non-cop town claiming a red check on someone they sus in this d2 seems clear to me: if they are actually mafia and they or their partners believe the claim, their reaction may be very telling. i feel that the likelihood of the real cop taking this is a hard cop claim and rashly counter claiming is below the caliber of all the players in this game, from what i can tell (note, for example, that tutuu didn't even acknowledge it). the wifom here was directed at mafia. obviously it serves no purpose now

also i'm taking credit for tutuu surviving last night. i like to think my directing sus at her confused the shit out of them

ur welcome tutuu

good morning gamers

I hard retract my retraction of my town read on tutuu

now I just have to decide whether to claim a red check on 1612 or alison

Claiming one on 1612 seems safer tbh

I'll think about it a little more and get back to u all v soon