The Syndicate

hey gang - sorry i disappeared. life stuff. i hope it didn't impact the game too much. i had fun even though i very quickly got overwhelmed by the volume. when i have the time in the future, i'd be happy to play here again if you'll have me. from what i can tell, you're good people

sorry mods

nice work, scummers

i hasten to add that i think a tr version of the same rundown would be valuable. if no one else does it overnight, i'll probably tackle that after getting up to date tomorrow

gnight

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:06 pm

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:02 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:00 pm

Spoiler: show

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:58 pm here's a compilation of this thread's scumreads. i'm hoping to hear from everyone with an update on where they stand on them now

1612 - has not provided any scumreads
Alison - the closest alison has come to a scumread was referring to urist's hesitancy to give reads as 'slightly scummy'
cobbler - the closest i have come to a scumread was dizzy's post saying i was town
Dyslexicon - had one scumread on proto that was later rescinded and explained to be a bit of a joke or gambit. hinted at a scumread on michelle just now
jeraldoo - has not provided any scumreads
Lavender - provided a scum read on LC. provided a scum read on me as a reaction test then got a second reaction which they didn't like. doesn't believe MP and dizzy could be scum together
Long Con - has not provided any scumreads
Michelle - the closest michelle has come to a scumread was highlighting a post by tutuu that she didn't like
M Plus 7 - has not provided any scumreads (but has filled my head with sunshine)
protocultures - provided a hard scum read on scirrus. provided an additional scum read on urist
Scirrus - has not provided any scumreads
tutuu - (their post history link is broken @dunya ) - has not provided any scumreads
Urist - provided a scumread on dizzy

aight i'm going to start saying sr instead of scumread because i typed 'scrumread' like 40 times just now

update on my thoughts on dizzy's post: it still pings me in a vacuum but i don't get the same vibe from the rest of their posts. still a suspect tho imo

Hey, cobbler! Thanks for doing this. What are you hoping to gain as to alignment reads from this, or did you have a different intention?

Also, hehe, I'm so glad to hear that I've filled your head with sunshine!

two things i guess. i think they'll be good breadcrumbs for later and i want to get some more mature and updated thoughts on them. i know that will help me process through the game so i imagine it will help others too!

Are you intending on updating this systematically?

systematically is a strong word. i suppose i'll be most likely to keep it updated when either i need it myself or if anyone requests it. it doesn't take too long - especially if i start taking notes as i read new posts which i've just inspired myself to do

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:01 pm

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:00 pm i'll be around live for another ~5-10 minutes if anyone wants to chat then i'm going to head to bed

I like you ^^

That's the chat I needed. Good talk. =p

you're far too kind when all i've had to say about you so far is that you viscerally shook me to my core by calling me a townie lol

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:00 pm

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:58 pm here's a compilation of this thread's scumreads. i'm hoping to hear from everyone with an update on where they stand on them now

1612 - has not provided any scumreads
Alison - the closest alison has come to a scumread was referring to urist's hesitancy to give reads as 'slightly scummy'
cobbler - the closest i have come to a scumread was dizzy's post saying i was town
Dyslexicon - had one scumread on proto that was later rescinded and explained to be a bit of a joke or gambit. hinted at a scumread on michelle just now
jeraldoo - has not provided any scumreads
Lavender - provided a scum read on LC. provided a scum read on me as a reaction test then got a second reaction which they didn't like. doesn't believe MP and dizzy could be scum together
Long Con - has not provided any scumreads
Michelle - the closest michelle has come to a scumread was highlighting a post by tutuu that she didn't like
M Plus 7 - has not provided any scumreads (but has filled my head with sunshine)
protocultures - provided a hard scum read on scirrus. provided an additional scum read on urist
Scirrus - has not provided any scumreads
tutuu - (their post history link is broken @dunya ) - has not provided any scumreads
Urist - provided a scumread on dizzy

aight i'm going to start saying sr instead of scumread because i typed 'scrumread' like 40 times just now

update on my thoughts on dizzy's post: it still pings me in a vacuum but i don't get the same vibe from the rest of their posts. still a suspect tho imo

Hey, cobbler! Thanks for doing this. What are you hoping to gain as to alignment reads from this, or did you have a different intention?

Also, hehe, I'm so glad to hear that I've filled your head with sunshine!

two things i guess. i think they'll be good breadcrumbs for later and i want to get some more mature and updated thoughts on them. i know that will help me process through the game so i imagine it will help others too!

i'll be around live for another ~5-10 minutes if anyone wants to chat then i'm going to head to bed

here's a compilation of this thread's scumreads. i'm hoping to hear from everyone with an update on where they stand on them now

1612 - has not provided any scumreads
Alison - the closest alison has come to a scumread was referring to urist's hesitancy to give reads as 'slightly scummy'
cobbler - the closest i have come to a scumread was dizzy's post saying i was town
Dyslexicon - had one scumread on proto that was later rescinded and explained to be a bit of a joke or gambit. hinted at a scumread on michelle just now
jeraldoo - has not provided any scumreads
Lavender - provided a scum read on LC. provided a scum read on me as a reaction test then got a second reaction which they didn't like. doesn't believe MP and dizzy could be scum together
Long Con - has not provided any scumreads
Michelle - the closest michelle has come to a scumread was highlighting a post by tutuu that she didn't like
M Plus 7 - has not provided any scumreads (but has filled my head with sunshine)
protocultures - provided a hard scum read on scirrus. provided an additional scum read on urist
Scirrus - has not provided any scumreads
tutuu - (their post history link is broken [mention]dunya[/mention] ) - has not provided any scumreads
Urist - provided a scumread on dizzy

aight i'm going to start saying sr instead of scumread because i typed 'scrumread' like 40 times just now

update on my thoughts on dizzy's post: it still pings me in a vacuum but i don't get the same vibe from the rest of their posts. still a suspect tho imo

Lavender wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:10 pm

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:07 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:01 pm cobbler - gut scum read

is there anything in particular that contributed to this read that i can address?

yeah no i changed my mind, ur town af

oh sick

Lavender wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:01 pm cobbler - gut scum read

is there anything in particular that contributed to this read that i can address?

would someone be kind enough to give me the smallest crash course in voting here? i see the poll now but i assume you also have to make a post in the thread?

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:22 pm Since this is becoming more of a distraction than it's worth...

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:03 am Urist - I take the song as slightly scummy if anything. Reasoning? Trying too hard.

They scumread dizzy as 99% mafia. Not sure how they can do that this early. Reeks of a fake read or bussing for credit.

Softing PR this early is also kid of scummy imo. Its bad if you are really PR, and Urist is pretty good at mafia from looking at the insane setup they created on 451, and its confusing for town if you are softing as a vanilla town, and makes it more likely to make a real PR pressured to out. Overall I hate it.

"I am town, and yes it's very cool. I get so emotionally exhausted when playing scum, it's ridic. Glad I don't have to do that here" - dislike statements like these and read them as slightly scummy, might just need to get some more forum games under my belt since I seem to see a lot of these "phew im so glad im town" posts on day 1 in forum games.

1. I posted in the signup thread that I already had my first post ready. Also I copy-pasted the lyrics and replaced like 5 words in an existing song, I barely did anything. So it's NAI and I was barely trying regardless. Plus y'know I wrote the rulebook for Needlessly Complicated in one night, effort is not a resource I'm stingy with generally.

2. It was obviously a fake read, not sure what you think the scum motivation is, esp since I never followed up. & setting up associatives at this stage is bad for business.

3. Not getting into this.

4. I actually asked dunya pregame to give me a town role PM, because otherwise I wouldn't be able to follow her rules. I'm pretty bad as scum bc I get overinvested, spend a ton of effort on the early game and burn out and unintentionally throw the game later on. It's a problem that I need to solve, but not in my first game on TS. I think I referred to this in the intro thread when Jay said I was not terrible.

this is all perfectly reasonable. i don't know why you were so hesitant to just post this or something similar originally. thank you though for engaging

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:29 pm Is anyone actively here right now by the way?

i just sat down and i have some catching up to do

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:36 pm

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:28 pm this isn't very helpful if you're town. i'd like to see more of a response than this

if i were scum i'd be more than happy to clutter the thread by swatting his accusations away with the obvious answers, and i'd look super good doing it too

this is the most mind-bending thing i've ever read in a game of mafia

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:10 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:09 pm @Urist

What do you think about my scumread on you?

you're wrong so i don't really care tbh

this isn't very helpful if you're town. i'd like to see more of a response than this

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:43 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:35 pm

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:15 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:13 pm i doubt it was a scumslip cob =))

i agree it's unlikely. i was waiting to see if anyone else brought it up. but i have to be honest about it and say that i had a very visceral reaction to reading it

I read it and thought scumslip and then i ignored it. Nobody slips that big imo.

I'm so glad I have experience with you or I would be tunnelling you pretty hard here.

can you explain this a little bit? what about your experience with them is effecting your reaction?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:13 pm i doubt it was a scumslip cob =))

i agree it's unlikely. i was waiting to see if anyone else brought it up. but i have to be honest about it and say that i had a very visceral reaction to reading it

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:00 am

cobbler wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:49 pm much appreciated i'll try not to shy away. i have to admit i'm a bit intimidated playing here because i've known about this community for a very long time and it has a strong reputation for solid gameplay

No need to be intimidated! It's a nice bunch of people playing here ^^ Just be open with your thoughts and do you best. Unless you're scum, cause then I'd be a little intimidated. Luckily, you're not! =)

bolding mine

this jumped out at me. obviously it could just be a way to say i'm a townread, which is something they went on to do later. it could also just literally be a scumslip

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:50 pm

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:38 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:23 pm Lots of mechanics things to talk about. Best person for cop to use night check on, whether doctor should use heals aggressively or save them for late in the game, best way to use tracker, whether a doublevote is mathematically more powerful now or in the late game, etc.

we don't have any role information yet do we? other than 3 possible role sets? am i understanding that correctly?

There are 6 possible setups. They are as follows:

1) Cop, 9 VT, 3 Mafia
2) 2-Shot Tracker, 2-Shot Doctor, 8 VT, 3 Mafia
3) Cop, 2-Shot Doublevoter, 8 VT, 2 Mafia, 1 Godfather
4) Cop, 2-Shot Tracker, 8 VT, 2 Mafia, 1 Godfather
5) 2-Shot Doctor, 2-Shot Doublevoter, 8 VT, 3 Mafia
6) Cop, 9 VT, 3 Mafia.

It is random which of these 6 setups are in the game; we don't have public information as to which setup we're in right now. (Although people with one of those roles can narrow it down - like if you're a Tracker you know we're either in setup 2 or setup 4. Obviously, don't let on that you know that or the mafia will kill you.) Note that setups 1 and 6 are identical, so that setup essentially has twice the chance of occurring.

Mechanics aside - what are your reads, cobbler?

thanks

i haven't gotten much in the way of reads yet. it's taking me a lot of energy to begin learning who everyone is tbh. there was one post that pinged me a little bit that i haven't shared yet

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:23 pm Lots of mechanics things to talk about. Best person for cop to use night check on, whether doctor should use heals aggressively or save them for late in the game, best way to use tracker, whether a doublevote is mathematically more powerful now or in the late game, etc.

we don't have any role information yet do we? other than 3 possible role sets? am i understanding that correctly?

Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:31 pm

cobbler wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:27 pm

Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:25 pm And I've been playing a Third Eye Blind song on repeat this entire time

my heart wants it to be motorcycle drive by but my brain tells me it's probably not

nah it's Company of Strangers. I also thought the name was rather fitting lol

but MDB is also a good one tbh

company of strangers is a banger

Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:25 pm And I've been playing a Third Eye Blind song on repeat this entire time

my heart wants it to be motorcycle drive by but my brain tells me it's probably not

Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:16 pm

cobbler wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:08 pm

Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:05 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:38 pm i'm gonna have such a hard time getting used to phpbb again hah, i'm taking so long to write my posts.

dyslexicon (dizzy) seems like 99% mafia to me. do we call them shamelanders?

cobbler, scirrus and m+ look like pridelanders, posting d0 is more likely to be done by town anyway.

99%? :0

I'd say this is a pretty normal kind of entrance for him.

how many times have you played together?

We come from the same homesite and I've played with him around 10 times probably. I've played on and off their for ~2 years

To be honest though, I've never played with him when he's been scum and I've only seen his scum play in action once, when I was modding.

From what I know about his scum meta, it is pretty hard to distinguish from his town meta. He's really good at getting suspicion off of him.

But yeah, he has random nonsensical entrances that often come up in his town games. I'd say it's more NAI than anything

awesome background - thank you

what does NAI mean?

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:08 pm

Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:07 pm Let's make that happen

what do you take me for, some sort of role wizard that can make people town if they're not

is this a sneaky roleclaim?

Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:05 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:38 pm i'm gonna have such a hard time getting used to phpbb again hah, i'm taking so long to write my posts.

dyslexicon (dizzy) seems like 99% mafia to me. do we call them shamelanders?

cobbler, scirrus and m+ look like pridelanders, posting d0 is more likely to be done by town anyway.

99%? :0

I'd say this is a pretty normal kind of entrance for him.

how many times have you played together?

ah i just got really excited! i haven't played in so long and there are so many people still to chime in. i can feel the juices flowing again

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:48 pm

M Plus 7 wrote:How do you figure, doesn't it depend on the individual player?

Sure, but if even one player posts in d0 more often as town than as scum then my statement is technically true right? And I believe it applies to a lot more than one player.
I agree that it does depend on the individual player, I'm not giving out lock town reads or anything. But since it's d0 and I don't know anyone here I have to make generalizations and rely on what I've seen people do more often as town/scum.

i tend to share this observation. obviously it's not a hard and fast rule but scum seems to tend to feel out the very early going and then start driving more in ensuing phases in my experience

Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:43 pm

cobbler wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:49 pm much appreciated i'll try not to shy away. i have to admit i'm a bit intimidated playing here because i've known about this community for a very long time and it has a strong reputation for solid gameplay

Do you play mafia elsewhere? What's your experience like?

i used to. i've probably played ~50 games. my background is probably a little bit more casual as far as gameplay goes, though i've certainly been in some pretty heated games. the pace here is already faster than i'm used to but that's not a bad thing

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:31 pmI'd say my greatest strength is my intrinsic yeet resistance. I dunno why but people seem to find it difficult to yeet me. I'm unyeetable. I'm probably the least-yeeted player on 451.

that is a huge advantage that i've noticed is pretty uncommon. here's hoping you're one of the good guys!

Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:32 pm This will be the game I learn how to multiquote properly instead of copy/pasting everything like a barbarian

Pray for me y'all this may take some getting used to

godspeed - i have done nothing but hover over the multiquote button with curiosity. we can learn together

much appreciated i'll try not to shy away. i have to admit i'm a bit intimidated playing here because i've known about this community for a very long time and it has a strong reputation for solid gameplay

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:31 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:25 pm Looking at the player list, I believe I have actually never played with most of you, so that's pretty neat! If people want to talk about their mafia history, great; if not, that's fine too. Just expect me to be asking questions regardless so that I can try to understand how your brain works.

Yeah, wow, this is really cool, I love playing with new players!

- I know Long Con extensively since we've played together off and on since I started playing mafia on Lostpedia and such back in 2010.
- I know Dizzy well enough given we've talked and played together off and on the last few years.
- I think I've played only one game each with Michelle and Scirrus.

I believe that's it, although someone correct me if I'm wrong... as it's possible I crossed paths with someone else that I'm either not remembering or you were under a different username or something.

i hope that you, LC, and dizzy can help those of us who are less familiar by letting us know explicitly if any part of a read or feeling you have about each other is based on meta and help us understand that background

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:32 pm

cobbler wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:29 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:06 pm Urist gets a Day 1 townread for his excellent song. Even though I heard Scar singing it.

definitely bold to open a game with a song originally sung by the villain. i have to assume that was written prior to the roles going out and was just fun. plus it leaves the door open for someone else to pen a circle of life parody later on which i'll keep my fingers crossed for

You don't think someone would make a post like that after receiving a role card?

i don't think they'd have time tbh. i think a lot of time went into that

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:06 pm Urist gets a Day 1 townread for his excellent song. Even though I heard Scar singing it.

definitely bold to open a game with a song originally sung by the villain. i have to assume that was written prior to the roles going out and was just fun. plus it leaves the door open for someone else to pen a circle of life parody later on which i'll keep my fingers crossed for

howdy new friends

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