The Syndicate

also i think your interactions with sloonei were good and gave me pause on you two being teamed. your interactions with spf were also convincing

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:14 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:44 pm i just read the scum chat and am so impressed with how much thought all three of you put into your interactions and strategy. specifically sloonei setting traps in his iso and trying to get eliminated before lc. i really should expect nothing else from someone who places such value on interaction analysis as town, but it’s really awesome nonetheless. and spf and lc staging those interactions in the grasslands as well was very nice. just extremely well done all around from all three of you

Eh, not really for me. I need to find a style that doesn't resemble my style, apparently.

i think you did fine tbh. i don’t think i would have wanted to eliminate you D2 if not for nut’s case. it’s hard to wolf against people who have played with you so much

this was such a thrilling game. i felt it was so evenly matched and every member of each team contributed significantly to that. so hype

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:48 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:44 pm i just read the scum chat and am so impressed with how much thought all three of you put into your interactions and strategy. specifically sloonei setting traps in his iso and trying to get eliminated before lc. i really should expect nothing else from someone who places such value on interaction analysis as town, but it’s really awesome nonetheless. and spf and lc staging those interactions in the grasslands as well was very nice. just extremely well done all around from all three of you

All that planning didn’t stand much of a chance against this town. Even if I’d managed to claw my way to an extra day, I was virtually POE’d out of the game from Day 1, and that was a direct result of great town play across the board.

i honestly did not think your posting was bad at all. it just wasn’t quite to the level of your town game, but it’s so hard when you’re such a formidable villager to replicate that intensity as mafia particularly when you’re exhausted. you still did very well for your team though

i just read the scum chat and am so impressed with how much thought all three of you put into your interactions and strategy. specifically sloonei setting traps in his iso and trying to get eliminated before lc. i really should expect nothing else from someone who places such value on interaction analysis as town, but it’s really awesome nonetheless. and spf and lc staging those interactions in the grasslands as well was very nice. just extremely well done all around from all three of you

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:46 pm good game, and well played to the town! i had a lot of fun playing this game and im happy that my team was able to make it as far as it did!

you did amazing! funnily enough i thought it was you mostly because i thought you were playing endgame like how i would have played it as scum i realized too that if i could mindmeld with you as scum you could do the same with me. but man, it was hard to get there. playing against you really is like playing against myself. wp

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:08 pm.
* It was kind of funny to see how mafia always RNG-ed who they sent to the grasslands as the third option, and town immediately came up with all sorts of reasons for why mafia did it. That is mafia in a nutshell. =p

classic

YES!!!!!

gg everyone! wp scum and awesome job to my fellow villagers! it was an awesome game all around

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:32 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:30 pm if martin is the sheppard of this game, does that make me phighter for randomly reversing my correct reads and hard defending mafia?

Did you miss the point/posts I made about making connections from me to Sheppard and how inherently misguided or wrongful that is in my opinion?

martin, i’m not comparing you to shep in the sense of you being like him as a player or being as experienced as him or anything. i’m simply making a joke because shep was the last mafia and i think you‘re mafia. also, i see similarities specifically between how shep approached his last day and how you approached this day that make me more confident you’re mafia. that is the extent of what i mean

if martin is the sheppard of this game, does that make me phighter for randomly reversing my correct reads and hard defending mafia?

lettuce win

im gonna feel so stupid if martin is town and we killed him right after alison died it’s okay though, martin will flip scum. trust and believe

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:15 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:09 pm why is tutuu more likely mafia than nook iyo? why does she fit better with lc/sloonei?

Sigh. Fine. I guess I'll go make a summary about my problems Tutuu because clearly people aren't going to stop asking me about this.

Keep in mind this is a summary, and its probably not going to be a full-blown analysis about interactions with LC/Sloonei unless I feel like it.

But I really don't see the point in doing so since the next two days after my chop are either Nook->Tutuu or Tutuu->Nook, and will end in their respective days for the case of them being mafia.

if you don’t want to do it i’m not gonna force you. i would like the benefit of your perspective if you’re town but it’s up to you

or well, i guess you’re leaning tutuu

why is tutuu more likely mafia than nook iyo? why does she fit better with lc/sloonei?

martin, where are you leaning between tutuu and nook, and why?

i don’t understand why if martin is town and has the time to make appeal after appeal he doesn’t dedicate some of that energy and time to instead trying to solve the game more conclusively and figure out who it is between nook and tutuu. i feel like this is a natural thing to do if you’re going to spend so much time here anyway

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:03 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:57 pm hope i’m not wrong about this because i’ll look like even more of an idiot than i already do buuuut im really confident it’s just martin

TO BE FAIR,

I do have Asperger's Syndrome. Which may be making things difficult regardless of each other's efforts (or I guess lack of my effort rn lol).

So mischopping here isn't really your fault, especially since nobody here knows me & that I'm new-ish to FM.

As much as I emotionally resent the idea of being mischopped under the current context, for various reasons, the last thing I want to do is to make you feel bad for it.

(unless you're part of the 0.0001% chance that you're mafia, then yeah I guess I do hate your guts a bit)

i’m not sure how to respond to this

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:02 pm general question: do you guys want me to do an interaction analysis for hally/nutella/thunal? i'm at a point where i've skimmed the interactions between them enough to know that my conclusion is going to be: "this looks good for them", but i do want to be thorough. i guess i'm in a place where i'm not sure if using hours of my time to write that analysis is a good idea if it's going to lead us to the same foregone conclusion today. martin is probably just mafia.

if you’ve looked over our interactions and feel confident it’s not any of us you’re under no obligation to write out in detail why

hope i’m not wrong about this because i’ll look like even more of an idiot than i already do buuuut im really confident it’s just martin

it makes perfect sense. you don’t make kills to protect sloonei because he wasn’t endgaming anyway. you make kills to protect martin because he actually could have endgamed

jay was killed because he had martin/lc as orange and would have probably pushed for a martin elimination last day. and since martin was deeper than sloonei and had the best chance of surviving it made sense to shoot jay so that martin could be more protected even though it resulted in sloonei’s elimination

now we have the answer to “why did sloonei shoot jay?” because martin was his teammate

maybe martin and i are just different people but if i was 100% confident that fmpov the final mafia were between two people i would absolutely revel in finding which one of them it was and nailing them. the prospect of being able to definitively solve the game and case the last mafia would excite me. martin is treating it like a chore and seems annoyed we’re even asking him, and i think it’s because he knows he can’t do it. he cannot case the last mafia because he is the last mafia and has accepted that he has lost. since there is nothing in it for him and he knows it won’t help him survive he doesn’t care anymore

i don’t think tutuu or nook are mafia. i really don’t. everyone is town but martin

i think martin killed alison in the hopes that we would just trust her read and is annoyed that we aren’t doing that. he all but said last day that he was using alison’s read as a crutch to be town read and basically slipped that alison was wrong about him. killing her and immortalizing her tr of him was a last ditch effort to wifom us into giving him a pass. nah. he is mafia

martin feels like dejected, boxed in mafia to me. i do not get the feeling from his posts that he is confident and excited that the game is solved from his pov if he just puts in the extra bit of work. he seems cornered and beaten. it reminds me of the contrast between how sheppard was the last day of the finals versus how jack was. martin is the sheppard of this game not because of experience level but because i think he knows he is beat and that reality is coming out in his posts, so all he can do is AtE and advocate his own elimination out of desperation. i don’t buy it

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:13 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:07 pm @MartinGG99 so you think the last scum is tutuu or nook? instead of making appeals it would be more helpful if you would case them and convince us they make more sense as the +1 in a lc/sloonei/+1 team than you

It doesn't really matter in the end tbh.

We have enough eliminations and miseliminations to go through Martin/Nook/Tutuu.

Unless you're still somehow paranoid that, if not me, it still must be someone outside of that grouping?

it does matter. are you not paranoid at all that it could be someone else? i mean, you know 1/3 of that poe is wrong if you’re town. i would like to see you put in some work to demonstrate you’re confident that the last mafia is in the other 2/3

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:11 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:05 pm “im being attacked because i just happened to have bad interactions with both flipped scum” ...yes? should we not be suspicious of that lol

I'm just venting in somewhat disappointment in myself as town, because unlike everyone else alive here, only I know my own green alignment with 100% certainty.

i don’t believe you

martin’s bad “let’s info chop alison” post/vote came when alison was the counterwagon to sloonei i think. also i remember he had so many weird posts trying to tr sloonei for adding post icons and things like that. i really feel he was bending over backwards D2 to find reasons to not eliminate sloonei

[mention]MartinGG99[/mention] so you think the last scum is tutuu or nook? instead of making appeals it would be more helpful if you would case them and convince us they make more sense as the +1 in a lc/sloonei/+1 team than you

i don’t really get martin’s defense though

“im being attacked because i just happened to have bad interactions with both flipped scum” ...yes? should we not be suspicious of that lol

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:27 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:19 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:10 pm Not having a good townread on Sloonei yet also not wanting him elimed isn't a great look for Martin. That's exactly what I would expect from a read from Sloonei's teammate, and the TWTBAW argument is an easy one for a teammate to make.

Sigh.

I'm being attacked just because how I interacted with 2 people and that they just happened to be scum -_-

Not like it'll change anything but tbh as a townie I'm not supposed to be aware of how I interact with people will be perceived in the future, and maybe that's why it looks bad all-around.

Thankfully we don't have to do a "martin is scum based on interaction" parade after catching the 3rd scum because the game would've ended by then....after I've flipped green atp probably.

Sorry, but this explanation feels like a clone of the one I made in my last scum game. "It's completely outside my control that my interactions with the flipped scum look bad, it's not my fault!" was exactly the argument I made, with some AtE sprinkled in as well. You still have most of a phase to convince me you're town, I'm not locked in on you being scum by any means.

to be fair, you were converted N1 so you were actually being honest that your D1 interactions looking bad wasn’t wasn’t your fault

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:52 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:50 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:47 pm i dont know who is this achro guy u people keep mentioning

but i bet he is a handsome devil

damn it’s less funny if you don’t know him

he was a player in our semifinals game who tried tinfoil spf and she was basically like “fuck off” and it was so savage and great. i would say he is the polar opposite of your personality

ooh okay lol

ive heard of him, i was just trying to play along with your joke of "thats definitely what achro would say "

LOL he would definitely say those things lmao

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:47 pm i dont know who is this achro guy u people keep mentioning

but i bet he is a handsome devil

damn it’s less funny if you don’t know him

he was a player in our semifinals game who tried tinfoil spf and she was basically like “fuck off” and it was so savage and great. i would say he is the polar opposite of your personality

that’s exactly what achro would say

shut up and die i mean

you know the one

“shut and die” will forever be the most savage post in champs history

tutuu is an achromatic alt

god that sentence is so hilarious to type out

i feel like the same things are happening again

tutuu always gets tinfoiled for being not tutuu-y enough in some way

spf always gets tinfoiled for being spf-y in some way

but neither of them are ever mafia

we are constantly reliving the same game over and over again

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:34 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:27 pm spf is mafia because she was F R O Z E N in the treehouse

i cant believe u caught me like this

now she’s F R O Z E N here too

just give up spf. you may as well confess

spf is mafia because she was F R O Z E N in the treehouse

im kinda in awe at how hard i leveled myself last day lmao

i don’t get why we all decided tutuu should be in the poe at some point. i feel like she’s always just been town!tutuu

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:07 pm martin is actually reminding me of sheppard in some indescribable ways

somehow i understand what you mean

honestly think it’s just martin

how many eliminations do we have? can we nuke all of martin/nook/tutuu?

nut what is scummy about tutuu? like, what is the case on her? because i’m reading through tutuu’s interactions with sloonei (not just that one post) and i agree with her that she doesn’t look teamed with him

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:29 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:18 pm iirc martin also advocated for her own elimination in his scum game? @MartinGG99 can you confirm?

Its funny that I got reffered to as a "her", lol.
(It's not a big deal! Doesn't really matter to me)

I definitely did on my Newbies Paradise (#3 I think?) game on MU, before the mod-bot error. I was trying to force a clear of me because my scum-buddy might be eliminated soon and it was looking like a policy elimination of me in the F3.

sorry, i have no idea why i said her in one place and he in another

and ok, so you’re saying you would advocate your own elimination as scum if it seemed inevitable anyway?