The Syndicate

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 2:23 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 2:22 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 2:18 pm I think you forgot about KZA who targeted Bo in the same time with me and make sure i can receive the peek no matter if a RBer is targeting me.
right, but i’m saying they would roleblock odd not you

then with the busdriver blocked they can super kill you
Troopers were tinfoiled since day 1, they wanted to let Odd to be mischopped, and that happened

that has nothing to do with what i said

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 2:22 pm Why i have a red check on Esooa?

Why considered Esooa that game is finished last night?

Why, if she thought Odd is villager, didn't fight for his life to defend him?

Why she lied about me hammering Odd?

- because straw has a redirect or she’s a wolf

- because that’s an entirely reasonable assumption after we just mislunched in mylo. why would she expect the kill to randomly get blocked regardless of her alignment?

- because she doesn’t care

- because you redchecked her and regardless of her alignment she’s going to try to discredit you

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 2:18 pm I think you forgot about KZA who targeted Bo in the same time with me and make sure i can receive the peek no matter if a RBer is targeting me.

right, but i’m saying they would roleblock odd not you

then with the busdriver blocked they can super kill you

@Michelle are you sure you don’t have vests or something?

yea, esooa doesn’t want to get lunched today if she’s a villager because if the elimination fails and then the kill goes through it’s effectively handing wolves another crack at winning

it’s not wolfy at all for her to be fighting here

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 2:08 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 2:05 pmclearly the wolves are not making optimal decisions here
Kind of indicative of someone who doesn't care about the game, imo.

i mean, no because they could have done that when bo was still alive and you would think bo + whoever the last wolf is could come up with the idea to roleblock the busdriver

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 2:06 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 2:03 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 2:02 pm Because you were suspicious of her the previous night.
so she let herself get redchecked?????

makes no sense
Well, look at the way she responded to it, that Michelle pointed out. She could just say, 'So is Straw.' She could've also simply said, 'I'm unchoppable, so I don't care,' and then stopped posting. That would've been plenty of WIFOM for us. Instead she fought harder today than on many previous days, as if she had a reason to fear getting chopped.

then what happened to the kill?

and don’t say she self-targeted because i refuse to entertain that

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:01 pm
This is a true story. The events depicted took place at The Syndicate Forum in April 2021. At the request of the survivors, the names have been changed. Out of respect for the dead, the rest has been told exactly as it occurred.

@BoKnows [Bear Gerhardt] has been eliminated.

"There's gonna be a reckoning one day, brother. All souls are called to account for their actions. In the end, we all get what we deserve."
Bear Gerhardt

[Passive] - Bear is immune to night kills. He will survive a super-kill used against him, however, it will consume his whole role leaving him as a Mafia Goon and draining his vote for a day.
--- [Bear] - If he performs the factional kill, Bear may upgrade it to a super-kill. [1-shot]

[Active] - Each night, Bear may target a player and restrain them. They will be role-blocked for the night and may not perform any action.

[Active - Siege] - Redacted.

Wincon - Eliminate all threats to the Gerhardt Crime Syndicate

Night 8 starts.
You have 23 hours to submit your actions (if any).

like, they literally have a roleblocker and they didn’t use it to block odd so they could kill you

what were they thinking lmao

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 2:00 pm Esooa didn't claim 3rd, she said she is town stump, unlynchable, and she keep saying she is a villager and wants a 'correct' read.
When i said she is scum checked, she said 'so is Straw' meaning she confirms that my peek exists.

I think that post is a slip.

In the last days the actions didn't show the presence of a scum redirector. A scum redirector would mess up Odd's action and help to kill me.

But she didn't talk about such thing, she directly attacked me saying i am scum because i am alive

but so would a roleblocker, which bo flipped as

he could have blocked odd and gotten a free kill on you at any point and didn’t

clearly the wolves are not making optimal decisions here

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 2:02 pm Because you were suspicious of her the previous night.

so she let herself get redchecked?????

makes no sense

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 2:00 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:58 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:56 pm That's what I'm saying. I never doubted she was a cop, especially after she red-peeked my miller card.
okay but

if michelle isn’t a wolf and esooa was targeted for the kill

then the only one left who can be the wolf is you
I'm telling you, I don't think it's outlandish that Esooa self-targeted. If she killed you, that's not an auto-win. There was still a possibility that Michelle and I could chop her today. The only way to be sure that she was in the clear would be to make it seem like she was the target.

why wouldn’t she kill michelle so that i would just vote you

you’re literally trying to tell me she nk’d herself instead of the claimed cop

that’s just dumb

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:58 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:56 pm [VOTE: straw] aubergine
It's not me, Hally.

but it has to be

there’s no other explanation for the failed super kill other than esooa getting targeted so she’s not a wolf

and michelle is not a wolf

so you’re a wolf

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:56 pm That's what I'm saying. I never doubted she was a cop, especially after she red-peeked my miller card.

okay but

if michelle isn’t a wolf and esooa was targeted for the kill

then the only one left who can be the wolf is you

[VOTE: straw] aubergine

well there’s a redacted part but like

it plainly says he scanned innocent to cops

and michelle is claiming cop who gets innocent/guilty results so that checks out

so michelle is never a wolf

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:24 pm
@Marmot [Joe Bulo] has been eliminated.

"Management says acquire the territory, we acquire it. Whether that's cash down or sending bodies to the morgue, that's up to the Krauts"
Joe Bulo

[Passive] - The frontman for the Kansas City Mafia northern expansion, Joe’s bringing a Walmart mentality to small-town America. As the new face of corporate crime, Joe doesn't get his own hands dirty. He scans as [Innocent] to cops. [Redacted]. He is immune to any other actions as long as one of his enforcers is alive.
--- [Joe Bullo Says Hi] - Factional kills performed by him are upgraded to a super-kill. [1-shot]

[Passive] - Joe runs a tight ship. If one of his men puts his operation in jeopardy, he doesn't hesitate in taking their arms or their tongues. If one of his underlings dies, he may redistribute their abilities to another one or use them himself.

[Active] - As the specialist in negotiations of his team, Joe may each day invite a player for a chat the following night. They will gain a private chat during the night phase, and he will learn their flavor name at the end of it. If he chats with the same player twice, he will learn their full role.
--- [Cease-Fire] - Any player currently in a chat with Joe will have their actions fail if they target one of his team.

Wincon - Eliminate all threats to the Kansas City Mafia

Night 1 starts.
You have 23 hours to submit your actions (if any).

doesn’t marmot’s role literally confirm there’s a town alignment cop? so michelle is never a wolf

boom

i’m taking it as a given that the last wolf can mess with investigatives in some way because marmot’s team had multiple roles that could do that and the only thing that flipped on the other team is bo’s roleblock which imo is lopsided

straw did you send anyone a typewriter?

also do we know where bo’s pills came from? those are confirmed to exist, right?

the real answer is that straw is the last wolf and didn’t care about leaving michelle alive because he’s already been redchecked or has an ability that messes with the cop so he tried to kill esooa because he was scared she’s 3P that would steal his win

If Michelle is scum, the answer is simple. If she's town, the following options for the last scum are simply roles that do not fear a cop:
A godfather or some other similar PR who knows they will be green-peeked
A second redirector who can divert all cop checks to someone else
An x-shot tree stump who can point to a failed chop as plausible deniability for their scumhood
None of the above, but someone who believes they can confidently talk a cop out of believing their own check in a role madness game
At this point in the game, seeing all the roles that have flipped, any of those can be possible.

not really. some are not possible:

- it can’t be a godfather because that wouldn’t explain the red check on esooa. a godfather would only explain greenchecks

- a redirector is possible but that would have to be exactly you because everyone knows what my role is and i don’t have a redirect, and w!esooa is obviously not redirecting michelle to herself

- i think the tree-stump thing is silly because no wolf is going to consciously choose to fight a red check regardless of the circumstance and suggesting they would when they could kill michelle instead is... no

- again this is ridiculous because no wolf will choose to talk themselves out of a red check when they could instead just not

so really none of these are possible except you being a wolf redirector who redirected michelle to yourself so esooa would get a red peek, and obviously that’s impossible fypov

no wolf is ever self targeting with an nk when they could get a free win by shooting me lol

either the kill failed because someone has some unknown protection (and anyone can be the wolf) or it failed because esooa was shot out of fear she’s 3P who would steal the win from the last wolf

the key to this game imo is figuring out what happened with the kill and why michelle is still alive

michelle’s posts today feel wolfier than esooa’s by a long shot so if i was going off just today i’d vote michelle

i’ll have to read their iso’s tomorrow and see though

inb4 michelle claims it was all a reaction test

i need to retire

Hally wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 5:28 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 5:24 am
Hally wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 5:23 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 5:21 am I do agree Michelle has done some really questionable things as wolf... I don't think it's impossible? I've disliked a lot from her especially the way she's treating me today but she's someone I often clash with as t/t tbh

how do you think town Michelle would be reading me right now?
i mean, if she’s got a red check on you she obviously would read you as a wolf lol
I think this game is fucked enough that she should know mechanics aren't fully reliable

and she also red checked straw

so, I disagree that's the only reason
well yea, it’s bizarre as fuck that she hasn’t questioned why she’s alive or if that means her peeks can’t be trusted

and it’s not inspiring that she can’t really give an answer to why you’d leave her alive to red check her that makes any sense

to red check you, not her

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 5:26 am I'm fr sleeping now. I really really need to

gn

sleep well

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 5:24 am
Hally wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 5:23 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 5:21 am I do agree Michelle has done some really questionable things as wolf... I don't think it's impossible? I've disliked a lot from her especially the way she's treating me today but she's someone I often clash with as t/t tbh

how do you think town Michelle would be reading me right now?
i mean, if she’s got a red check on you she obviously would read you as a wolf lol
I think this game is fucked enough that she should know mechanics aren't fully reliable

and she also red checked straw

so, I disagree that's the only reason

well yea, it’s bizarre as fuck that she hasn’t questioned why she’s alive or if that means her peeks can’t be trusted

and it’s not inspiring that she can’t really give an answer to why you’d leave her alive to red check her that makes any sense

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 5:21 am I do agree Michelle has done some really questionable things as wolf... I don't think it's impossible? I've disliked a lot from her especially the way she's treating me today but she's someone I often clash with as t/t tbh

how do you think town Michelle would be reading me right now?

i mean, if she’s got a red check on you she obviously would read you as a wolf lol

what the fuck kind of fake claim is “i’m a ufo that can’t be killed and my vote doesn’t count and i don’t count for parity and i can abduct people”

who comes up with that

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 5:20 am honestly though this game is still fucked that I am considering straw

I don't really think it's hally just because I've liked them all game and specifically the way they waited for the flip for two hours feels like town? I thought it was funny and probably towny they left so soon after the flip too

wait lmao @Hally

what if Michelle was convinced I was 3p and shot me scared I'd win

it’s possible

none of you three’s actions throughout the game really make sense as a wolf

clearly this means i’m the last wolf

@Strawhenge got any ideas?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 5:10 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 5:06 am
Hally wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 5:04 am it’s just kinda broken to have a wolf role that survives a lunch
okay so let's say it's in the realm of possibility that I survive

I never survive two as wolf

what do you think I was doing encouraging a lynch on me yesterday? I was the first to suggest it as mechanically optimal, in response to you suggesting we sleep

and I was self voting

why?
@Hally

yea acknowledged

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:07 pm
@Hally has replaced Tutuu. Please do not discuss replacements.

like if we lunched esooa and she’s a wolf and then didn’t die at what point is that just a broken game and not our fault

there’s only so much bs that we can reasonably be expected to account for

it’s just kinda broken to have a wolf role that survives a lunch

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 5:00 am like hally answer this

my role is unlychable

scum would never have that imo

I literally encouraged people to lynch me to prove it so I could be ic and coast because this game is hell

I know you lack content from me so it's not that easy

but is that not what I would do as town?

yea the thing is, gavial had multiple lives but iirc a lunch ate both of them

i really want nothing more than for this to end

this game is truly hell

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 4:54 am
Hally wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 4:51 am why does nobody have any thoughts on the super kill failing

how did that happen again
I have no clue

I think may be something related with Esooa's voting pattern.

She somehow lost the superkill ability probably

it literally said there was an attempted super kill that failed

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 4:53 am
Hally wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 4:51 am why does nobody have any thoughts on the super kill failing

how did that happen again
I have no clue how

my only thought is I'm going to lose my mind if I was targeted

it's not the first time a super kill failed either

but shrugze

why would you be targeted when the last wolf knows you’re unkillable?

why not target me?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 4:52 am Between two trains, remember villagers are making mistakes Hally

Esooa didn't make any mistake

what does this even mean

of course she has

if anyone has information about that you need to share it

why does nobody have any thoughts on the super kill failing

how did that happen again

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 4:49 am
Hally wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 4:46 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 4:44 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 4:41 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 4:39 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 4:34 am I can't sleep so let me just add how pathetic michelle's day 10 has been

she really comes into today with a second red and instead of being like "what does this mean, should I trust the red on esooa or straw or how do we win this"

she's just like

hello fellow townies your cop is here to tell you to vote esooa

very cool!
You are a cornered scum who can't say somethings else

I lived all game. You kept me alive only to say this now.
It is wifom
no mafia who knows how to play this game leaves a cop alive to wifom scum read them in lylo

the game ends before then if they're real

cops are game ending strong to the point cop 13ers are won or lost based on how fast the cop dies

you claimed day 2
You could not kill me because other villagers defended me all game.

Yday Hally said game doesn't end and you thought she has a protection available for me so you targeted her.

You knew Odd will flip villager, that was TMI
but if esooa targeted me with a super kill i’d be dead

also i have never claimed to have a protect
You said gane doesn't end.

Something makes you not knowing your protection, or maybe i have a protection i don't know about
But she has to be scum, she as villager gave up in last games at mu

I am in subway, i cant post well..

what do you mean she gave up in her last games on MU? when? how?

Hally wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 4:43 am michelle tell me how it makes for esooa as a wolf to leave you alive for wifom when she could just kill you so i can vote straw and she wins easily

you’re saying that she as a wolf would rather fight a red check than take a free win by killing you

makes zero sense, and you not questioning why you’re alive still is wolfy

fypov there should be NO reason why you’re still alive right now if you’re a villager other than that the last wolf can mess up your peeks so there’s zero reason you should be taking your red check on esooa at face value

you’re not handling this like a villager would

michelle answer please

why doesn’t esooa super kill you?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 4:44 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 4:41 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 4:39 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 4:34 am I can't sleep so let me just add how pathetic michelle's day 10 has been

she really comes into today with a second red and instead of being like "what does this mean, should I trust the red on esooa or straw or how do we win this"

she's just like

hello fellow townies your cop is here to tell you to vote esooa

very cool!
You are a cornered scum who can't say somethings else

I lived all game. You kept me alive only to say this now.
It is wifom
no mafia who knows how to play this game leaves a cop alive to wifom scum read them in lylo

the game ends before then if they're real

cops are game ending strong to the point cop 13ers are won or lost based on how fast the cop dies

you claimed day 2
You could not kill me because other villagers defended me all game.

Yday Hally said game doesn't end and you thought she has a protection available for me so you targeted her.

You knew Odd will flip villager, that was TMI

but if esooa targeted me with a super kill i’d be dead

also i have never claimed to have a protect

michelle tell me how it makes for esooa as a wolf to leave you alive for wifom when she could just kill you so i can vote straw and she wins easily

you’re saying that she as a wolf would rather fight a red check than take a free win by killing you

makes zero sense, and you not questioning why you’re alive still is wolfy

fypov there should be NO reason why you’re still alive right now if you’re a villager other than that the last wolf can mess up your peeks so there’s zero reason you should be taking your red check on esooa at face value

you’re not handling this like a villager would

yea whatever michelle’s posts today suck

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine

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