The Syndicate

gg

don't ignore dead posts from nk'd villagers

Good job wolf, you killed the guy who displayed a remarkable knack for convincing his fellow villagers to kill villagers, and he has a deadpost too. And an unsettling propensity for referring to himself in the third person.

I don't know how much you should really read into my death. There are a lot of possible reasons, and it possibly had little to do with my reads per se and more that the wolf simply figured I was annoying and stubborn and difficult to misluncheon.

The flowchart from Sunbae, hallowed be His name, points to c4 as the remaining suspect. He deemed nutella/spf/outed wolf/dizzy as Not Wolves with vulgard and/or dya. This deserves weight and consideration, but - and forgive me for blaspheming - you should still go through your due diligence bubbas, rather than take His word for pure gospel. (And even if He was wrong about the flowchart, He is still the MVP anyway, obviously.) For what it's worth, I ~generally agree with Sunbae here. Maybe Arete was correct that Vulgard wouldn't make that post about all three wolfbros like that, not sure what c4 is doing here as a wolf for that matter. Problem is I'm not sure what he's doing as a villa either. I'd like to see more effort from that corner in general.

I do have some concern about visor, the way vulgard talked about him doesn't look great imo. dya barely ever talked to or about him (but possibly in a w/v kinda way). When I skimmed through his iso I got a bad feeling in my tummy, but there's also some slick stuff if he's a wolf (asking sunbae about the bracket order stuff wrt dya, panicking about people saying he's a wolf if vulgard flipped v, antagonizing nutella for no reason today). The eod4 with the performance art shit and the way he was phrasing things in such a troll-y way skeeves me out, it's pretty ????? as villa and maybe he said fuck it why not try to make some chaos when he was about to stare down 8v1 (as a wolf). I dunno man, I don't want to be wrong on visor either way and there is some weird shit both ways.

I have some concern about spf. They have been underwhelming for awhile now, and yeah yeah she said she's busy, but

This was one of marl's last posts:

Marluxion wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:49 pm I think the last wolf is in syn/dizzy/spf

SPF turning on c4 is more or less what i'd expect when the noose of the PoE starts shrinking onto them as we near the endgame

Syn just has like
no reason to townread him at all

and dizzy i still feel felt agenda-ey to me the day vulgard died, even if they've explained their thought processes

Think it was pretty reasonable for spf to kill marl (he also was going to hard-defend arete), and then killing nutella over me last night probably hurts more than it helps by painting a target on her back. (I do regret that "has it occurred to you that you might be wrong" post btw, it probably came off a lot douchier than I intended in text without vocal cues / tone behind it. It was meant more as a real question that was poorly worded and came off as a rhetorical snark. Sometimes I do get wrapped up in playing devil's advocate and the plot gets lost somewhere.)

tbh I expected nutella to die and was ready to vote spf "4 nutella!!!!" :sparta:

Sunbae mentioned a few times that he thought Vulgard was getting people to towncase SPF for him, fwiw.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:19 am Zack notices that about SPF, but his take is "wolf writes a post they think sounds good," not "wolf TMIng c4e/Hally (?)." Still like the fact he chose to point that out, though he isn't committing. V lean.

Frankly, this line is just bizarre if spf is town. Though to be fair, it's probably bizarre either way. Maybe he was only trying to subtly imply I should townread c4.

I don't have much concern about nutella or dizzy, if either is a wolf then gg, I am wrong. Incorrect. Not right. also you hard townread each other so not my fault ldo.

When I started this post I figured it was just c4 but by the end of it I think it might be spf. Then I marinated a few hours and wonder if it might be visor. villagy stream-of-consciousness from bronana tbh. spf admitting she's only played 3 or 4 games with c4 seemed like a wait what moment with how confident he's been about meta-reading her and how comfortable spf has been accepting it as some quasi-godread. All the recent dead villas (syn/arete/marl) other than me had spf in the heart of their POE

I am surprised she's using my death to defend visor, though, not sure what to make of that. On the face of it, spf killing me then using it to defend visor doesn't make sense as a wolf, it's boxing herself in for no reason. or does it? Maybe she only said it to get townread and won't actually defend visor if it comes to it.

Also all she's doing today is asking softball questions to people and not really pushing anyone.

I'm overthinking shit and going in circles so maybe you shouldn't listen to me at all lol. I did vote on the misyeet train the last two days

- and every villager alive has one more piece of information than me, i.e. that they're a villager. You're good players, you can find the wolf. The simple suggestion is to kill c4, and if he's town duke it out in f3 amongst yourselves. I'd guess it's c4 or spf with a chance of visor, but marl didn't think it was c4 and didn't say much either way about visor

I will say, one thing that gave me pause on syn was that if he was a wolf that meant vulgard/dya/syn all voted on the same wagon d1 (gavial) & d2 (alison), which seemed unlikely but felt like a bad reason not to kill syn. Weirdly, those are the only meaningful votecounts for any kind of analysis out of six days lol (and d1 is somewhat questionable). KZA didn't vote afaict.

Visor voted with vulgard/dya d1 & d2 (so did I

) - 2/2
c4 voted with them d1 but not d2 (he voted dya) - 1/2
nutella voted KZA d1 and with dya/vulgard on alison d2 - 1/2
dizzy voted an alison vanity wagon d1 and dya d2 - 0/2
spf voted KZA d1 and dya d2 - 0/2

If that means anything at all. It would be a rare wolf team to have no one bussing or hard distancing dya in their d2 position, and all aligning their votes to save them.

dya townread c4 early, then eventually turned to wolfreading them d2. They continued to shade him a bit and say they wolfread him, but kept finding reasons to vote and push other people (now dead villagers) first, mostly alison and chloe/syn. I do think I make the most sense for c4 to NK (clearly annoyed by me itt, I was likely going after him today, very unlikely to get yeeted, nutella probably more likely to go elsewhere and clash with visor/spf).

If I was forced to make a kill order, I'd go c4 --> spf --> visor. Yes, I know this is too many kills. Maybe @Arete can chime in with more helpful thoughts than mine. Good thing I don't have to post and vote and stress out in the thread myself today.

sorry pals, hang in there

Apologies for this post being so long and rambling and somewhat incoherently structured. Wasn't sure when to post, but thread has been dead for awhile so maybe this is a good time to give it a jolt and see what happens. I'm sick of looking at ISOs and overthinking everything, my head is spinning.

glgl

no there isn't lol

not in a mafia game when you were not claiming mech info

my legacy is its never bronana

[VOTE: arete] aubergine

glgl

outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:49 pm Zack if I'm stuck in a f3 of SPF and dizzy who should I vote

(Maybe replace dizzy with Nutella)

i don't know, that's a long way away and I'd want to re-read stuff before making a definitive suggestion

Arete wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:44 pm if c4 is a wolf he's pretty much not trying to win the game at this point

does anyone know if giving up in situations where winning is unlikely is in-character for him

i mean he does play the english opening

[VOTE: sleep] aubergine

let's see who bronana nightkills

spending another 72 hours doing this same shit all over again sounds hellish

Ive been in this damn game for three weeks, I really don't want it to be a month

sunbae wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:01 am 1.) The reasonable solve is the straightforward one. It's Vulgard + Dya/SPF + Chloe/C4/Arete. If Vulgard is a wolf, a bunch of people become clear to me. Arete due to the reaction all day today. Bronana due to the pressure from Vulgard at times and Bronana's confusion on Vulgard near eod2. Dyslexicon due to the word usage read on Vulgard out of nowhere. Marl due to the night chat fake claiming thing. Outed Wolf due to the Wrong post.

Of the remaining people, SPF and Dya are not teamed. Just read SPF's ISO and the constant movement back to Dya. Nutella and Dya are not teamed, just read Nutella's ISO and see how hard they go at Dya d1. However, SPF and Vulgard could be paired due to the way Vulgard kept getting others to town case SPF for him. I would go Dya first due to Vulgards defense of Dya into shifting to pushing them a bit once “outed”. If Dya is a wolf, I would clear SPF and Nutella. If Dya is town I would go SPF. If SPF were a wolf, I would clear Arete and C4 (people Vulgard got to town case SPF for him) and finish off the game with Chloe. If Chloe didn't end it, I'd shrug and vote Nutella and be unhappy but everyone else would be clear to me (note, Nutella is not paired with Chloe due to the way Chloe sponged the Nutella thing onto Amy). To make that more visually appealing instead of word vomit:

Vulgard → If wolf, Dya → If wolf, Chloe → If town, C4 → If town, Arete
Vulgard → If wolf, Dya → If town, SPF → If wolf, Chloe → If town, Nutella
Vulgard → If wolf, Dya → If town, SPF → If town, Chloe → If wolf, C4

outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:36 pm What's sunbaes chart say

c4 -> arete

lol

outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:34 pm I can't believe Nutella prefers Zacks gif to mine

oh my god, it even has a watermark

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:31 pm well let's see it then

let's see outed wolf's amusing gif

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:30 pm spf wat r u doin

trying to bait me into posting an amusing gif or emote

outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:19 pm I'm surprised arete brought up the post after death thing today and not yesterday

they did bring it up yesterday fwiw

well, yesterday irl. did you mean d5?

spf's read on c4 is strange to me, I don't think I actually understand it

i am fine with killing either

I think marl's interpretation of vulgard's posts makes sense, because really if vulgard was pushing c4 in neighbor chat and claimed JK to marl, him thinking he wasn't hinting some kind of JK result to marl is ... bizarre? unless (as a wolf) it didn't even occur to vulgard?

i think these are the relevant posts

bronana wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:00 pmLOL

Amy wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:08 pm hello

dizzy visited nobody

which means i didn't get jailed, and also means i didn't get roleblocked - so presumably the scum nk was aimed at me

which means our jailkeeper has a redcheck

which is neat

Marluxion wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:25 pm VULGARD AND I BOTH LIVED ITS ACTUALLY A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE

bronana wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:25 pm [VOTE: sunbae] aubergine

plot twist

who are the wolves sunbae

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:26 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:00 pm Night 2 has ended. Nobody has died.

Day 3 begins. You have 48 hours to place your votes.

I’ll post a quiz answer key here later when I can.
Hoping this is a redcheck and not a save, but I'll take either.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:29 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:07 pm that makes two days in a row where I ended the day with dyachei as one of my strongest suspects, only to not feel confident to push the momentum in the direction of their chop

im done with that. i want dya gone today and if they're a villager then I take responsibility for it
I'm going to sleep soon but I need to ask this.

Are you still shielding c4? I have some thoughts about dya myself but I need to ask this first.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:30 pm
Marluxion wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:25 pm VULGARD AND I BOTH LIVED ITS ACTUALLY A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE
Marl are you seeing what I'm seeing?

Marluxion wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:32 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:30 pm
Marluxion wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:25 pm VULGARD AND I BOTH LIVED ITS ACTUALLY A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE
Marl are you seeing what I'm seeing?
I'm not
What do your elf eyes see

Marluxion wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:34 pm Wait I think I see what you're getting at kindve

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:36 pm I don't think I'll need to explain.

I understand why people want to turboyeet dya but there's also other stuff I'd like to discuss.

Marluxion wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:39 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:36 pm I don't think I'll need to explain.

I understand why people want to turboyeet dya but there's also other stuff I'd like to discuss.
Should I tell them

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:41 pm
Marluxion wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:39 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:36 pm I don't think I'll need to explain.

I understand why people want to turboyeet dya but there's also other stuff I'd like to discuss.
Should I tell them
I don't think you'll have to? Up to you though.

Marluxion wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:45 pm [VOTE: C4] aubergine

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:44 pm Would Vul fake the jk thing on c4 as a partner?

as soon as d3 started vul probably realized there was a very good chance he was fucked, I'm skeptical of reading much into anything he said that day

but also, marl faked it, not vulgard. There's a chance vulgard was legitimately being truthful when he said he thought he was hinting to marl that he thought I was softing a JK on sunbae (I think the timing of his "are you seeing what I'm seeing" comments to marl line up with this and he had sunbae in his POE and apparently talked about him being wolfy to marl a bunch in the neighbor chat iirc)

he already mentioned two wolves like that, why not three

shrug

I think the way vulgard talks about c4 in thread seems perfectly in line with w/w to me

I don't know what he said to marl n2, but there are plenty of explanations for why vulgard could talk to marl about c4 like that - there's a difference between what you say in a neighbor chat and what you would say and actually push in the game thread

I thought c4's reaction to marl's claim d3 was weird

I think his posts and solving are weak and he's avoiding talking to anyone

if you don't want to kill arete, kill c4 before spf imo

98 is not a meaningful difference from 100 , that is still expressing extreme confidence. I just cannot wrap my head around such confidence if you thought he had multiple very yikes posts, especially considering it was early day 1. in that stage of the game someone having several yikes posts should set off alarms, not a trivial footnote in a 98% confident townread?

I just don't understand your perspective in that post, at all

your sassy response completely avoided the point I was making

you said he had "very yikes" posts then called him 98% town. that makes no sense to me

Arete wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:42 am I'm pretty sure Vul is already out of his wolfrange from his linguistic analysis of SPF but there are a couple points in his posts that are very yikes

right now I would call him like 98 percent town but I should have a more confident read later and this isn't at sheepable territory yet

(for the unfamiliar, Vul and I have highly accurate reads on each other, essentially 100 percent accurate discounting third parties)

there are a couple points in his posts that are very yikes
right now I would call him like 98 percent town

[VOTE: arete] aubergine

if nutella and spf are both villagers, KZA didnt make a single read on a wolf

In the land of Mordor, in the fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord KZA forged in secret a master Ring, to control all others. And into this Ring he poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all cognitive psychology courses. One Ring to rule them all.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:54 am my maximum postcount for today is 420.......blaze it........

Spoiler: show

lets kill whoever has the most uninspired d6 by t0an

why am i always the "if i'm misclearing someone it's X" person smh

is it because i'm such a swashbuckling rogue

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:36 am my instincts are telling me that if im misreading anyone in that pool, it would be bronana

no matter how much we talk or how many days pass my conclusions keep ending up as literally just the same as sunbae's d3 flowchart lol

outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:01 am literally the only read hes pushed since dya is dizzy i think (c4)

he doesn't seem to even believe that one himself

bronana wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:50 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:43 am
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:42 am i think all of my posts this day phase are still better than c4/aretes

shrug
well if one of them is a wolf they're basically rolling over, if you're the wolf you're fighting bc you have a chance
this is the part of a game where a lot of wolves stall and have a hard time keeping up with the villagers that have no such issues. there is inevitably a bunch of villagers tinfoiling and arguing with each other all day, and it can be hard to break into that as a wolf

arete freezing up and giving reasons why all these villagers and villagers and struggling to find a real push is pmuch the classic, when you have TMI that good players are town you can more clearly see all the reasons they're town and sometimes that creates a mental block (especially when they're all people who will vigorously defend themselves)

i honestly can barely recall them pushing anyone all game except for the brief case on tangy d1 and syn yesterday. is this normal for them? am i misremembering something? these are genuine questions, not rhetorical.

I think the middle paragraph also applies to c4, he is doing a bunch of nothing

and also has not done much other than vote dya iirc? i don't know if i'd even call it a push really, he has not seemed very interested in convincing anyone of his reads fmpov

they pushed gavial a bit but then came around to believing he was town, though iirc they took a fairly hands-off approach to the wagon (which seems mildly wolfy on the surface but is fair enough regardless of their alignment, i can understand not wanting to stick their neck out for gavial as a villager)

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:43 am
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:42 am i think all of my posts this day phase are still better than c4/aretes

shrug
well if one of them is a wolf they're basically rolling over, if you're the wolf you're fighting bc you have a chance

this is the part of a game where a lot of wolves stall and have a hard time keeping up with the villagers that have no such issues. there is inevitably a bunch of villagers tinfoiling and arguing with each other all day, and it can be hard to break into that as a wolf

arete freezing up and giving reasons why all these villagers and villagers and struggling to find a real push is pmuch the classic, when you have TMI that good players are town you can more clearly see all the reasons they're town and sometimes that creates a mental block (especially when they're all people who will vigorously defend themselves)

i honestly can barely recall them pushing anyone all game except for the brief case on tangy d1 and syn yesterday. is this normal for them? am i misremembering something? these are genuine questions, not rhetorical.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:37 am if i had to pinpoint my concerns about visor, they would look like this:

1. played a large role in concentrating momentum against the widely incorrect POE pool of amy/alison/dyachei

2. felt overconfident and oversatisfied with their solve during the first couple of days, without a proportionate amount of logic to back it up. seems unconfident and unsure of themselves now in comparison

3. has seemed to struggle to solve the game in holistic terms today and has felt a little directionless with their solving (i know they mentioned they dont have the time/mental energy to fully solve, which is fine)

but i do agree that his early push on dyachei is villager indicative and a bit of a hard sell to be a bus

1. he really didn't push alison, and like one of those is a wolf and that is not a damnable ratio at all for d2 anyway

2. that's normal

3.

honestly i think if he was a wolf he probably would have just killed me one of the last couple nights

that's part of why i even memed on him with the outed wolf + syn rhyme late in the day in the first place, to try and bait it and get me the hell out of here lol

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:27 am zack, is outed wolf just a villager? give me your guidance

just because visor and i have been playing with each other for a decade and have vaguely similar styles and are both in the 18-65 age demographic doesn't mean we read each other with a stunning degree of accuracy or anything. if anything it used to be the opposite.

I think he's a villager, I don't think he'd push dya like that as w/w, but if you're looking to absolve yourself of responsibility and have me tell you it's a lock, sorry. I could be wrong. He's a good wolf and it has literally been years since I have any half-relevant personal experience with his wolf game. You have mentioned several times that he feels off and different to you, and I'm not sure what you mean, he seems pretty much like normal visor to me.

his posts where he was buttering me up talking about what a spectacular, wonderful, tactically brilliant nightkill I would have been made me raise my eyebrows a bit but shrug.

outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:20 am i uh, wouldnt trust my zack read 100%

i dont actually play a huge amount of games with him (mostly because we retire every 3 games for half a year :P )

i mean i think hes a villager this game but i wouldnt feel confident betting the game on any of my reads lol

listen here you little shit

i'm a villager. you feel it in the earth, you feel it in the water, you smell it in the air.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:12 am
bronana wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:08 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:07 am
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:52 am
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:49 am That line SPF wrote about reading C4 as a villager so they should be a villager just felt super wrong
Like I get in the world where it's a joke but it's still a joke that has the intended effect to make you think along those lines

@bronana

Ordered list, I guess ?
it's not a joke. c4 has never misread me in a game before. if c4 is a villager then he's misreading me for the first time ever. if c4 is a wolf then he's TMI'ing me as town. in either reality, the odds of me being town are more likely than not. i don't understand why an argument like that makes you feel "wrong" - you're gonna have to be less abstract about it
how many games have you guys even played together? didn't c4 say he's wolfed twice or something?
to my knowledge, c4 has been a wolf in exactly one game. (CoV). we've played 3-4 games together outside of that, and in all of those games, c4 was the first person to read me with a high level of accuracy, and he spent a large portion of those games stubbornly trying to make other people agree w/his read on me (similar to how he's approached this game)

fwiw i acknowledge the flaws of "godreads" considering that we saw one of them go wrong in this game already, but still lol

didn't he wolfread you for a thick, solid, and tight portion of d1?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:07 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:00 am
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:58 am part of the problem is i bet dya told their wolf team mid d1 to bus them (or at least floated the possibility of having to do so) because me and sunbae pushing dya d1 is exactly what happened in the org game (where they flipped wolf) and i imagine they knew a repeat was on the cards at that point

so its hard for me to divorce a legitimate soulread on dya from riding a bus to glorytown
yeah this. dya very much knew they were going down soon enough from pretty early in the game, so there probably was some bussing, and i hope you realize this is a big part of why i don't feel like i can clear you either
fwiw i completely agree - i would never clear someone solely for finding dyachei wolfy, because i have no doubt that dyachei wanted to be bussed/distanced from, and that the remaining wolf distanced from them quite a lot - this plays a large role into my feeling that zack is probably a villager. i'm more interested in seeing who had the most inorganic/convenient shift to wolfreading dyachei overall

being cleared for my shitty play

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:54 am
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:52 am " if she is a wolf then this is the strongest game i've ever seen her play"

(fwiw i read all of the post - but not sure i have a huge amount of questions for you)

this is something i have been thinking. i looked at some former nutella wolf light games and a lot of them are generally worse than this though there is once decentish one in there which has increased my paranoia levels. i fear we cleared nutella too early sometimes, though hally and alison both v read her so i guess i can blame them :P )
tinfoil zack instead so i can fucking die if the game doesnt end today

Because he's the hero PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [DAY 6] deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A bronana knight.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:40 am if he's a wolf then he's probably TMI'ing zack as town

there is only one wolf so lol? i can't tell if this was a joke or not

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:20 am
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:16 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:09 am how much of your vote on me is influenced by my vote on you, btw?
p much 0% i dont believe you actually think im a wolf and i think you just voted me to get some kind of reaction out of me (esp cause you said earlier this phase that you dont think im a wolf (slight paraphrase but you get it)

i had the reaction to your posts when i read them earlier i just didnt drop it then

"it's not a joke. c4 has never misread me in a game before. if c4 is a villager then he's misreading me for the first time ever. if c4 is a wolf then he's TMI'ing me as town. in either reality, the odds of me being town are more likely than not. i don't understand why an argument like that makes you feel "wrong" - you're gonna have to be less abstract about it"

forgive me if ive had enough of godreads for one game :P

"that's wacky. why is it wolfy for me to acknowledge that i was being widely misunderstood and that i perceived myself as a likely mischop? would you prefer that i lie about my position in the game?"

i think you overstated your position in the game a little, nutella has been the main one driving pushing you over recent times - i pushed you a bit when i was cartwheeling towards the bin, syn is dead, arete, does arete count?

maybe i am not remembering others correctly and perhaps you landed in some sort of null zone and you thought well its gonna be soon - and thats fair

i don't think any of the things i said are slam dunk cases but i did want to put them out there because people can respond to them and create some sort of dialogue

i was kinda hoping you didnt respond to my posts first lol. i wanted to see others chime in a bit first (i guess i shouldve just not replied to this but too late now, im not retyping these words)

these are like little tennis balls lobbed up into the thread waiting for someone to hit them
re the godread stuff: i mean yeah, sure, but that still doesn't explain why you find anything about that wolfy

i really didn't overstate my position in the game tbh - my memory is that i came into today with nutella and bronana having both agreed that i was not a main pusher of dyachei (even though i was!) and with nutella and arete actively suspicious of me, with you/bronana both making vaguely paranoid comments about me as well. i perceived my odds of being the chop coming into today fairly high, and it's not unreasonable from my position why i would feel that way even if things ended up turning out a bit differently than i thought

also that's fair, i assumed that your vote wasn't 100% serious but i was a little thrown off by the reasoning that you gave right now because it seemed so abstract and so non-specific at a point in the game when you have more than enough evidence to base your reads on solid, concrete stuff

whoa whoa whoa hey now, i said I didn't remember you being a main pusher! that's totally different than me asserting that you weren't! (i am sort of joking but also kind of serious :P)

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:09 am
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:06 am
bronana wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:06 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:24 am i finally become confident in voting for the person youve been saying is wolf for days and then you jump around
when everyone aligns behind me and says yeah you're right, the first think i think is "fuck i'm probably wrong"
amen

happens all the time lmao
idk sometimes it makes me feel better though, like if several villagers converge on one answer it might be a sign it's just correct

i mean i pushed chloe/syn since d2 or whatever all game and then everyone agreed it was syn yesterday and he was green? lol

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:07 am
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:52 am
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:49 am That line SPF wrote about reading C4 as a villager so they should be a villager just felt super wrong
Like I get in the world where it's a joke but it's still a joke that has the intended effect to make you think along those lines

@bronana

Ordered list, I guess ?
it's not a joke. c4 has never misread me in a game before. if c4 is a villager then he's misreading me for the first time ever. if c4 is a wolf then he's TMI'ing me as town. in either reality, the odds of me being town are more likely than not. i don't understand why an argument like that makes you feel "wrong" - you're gonna have to be less abstract about it

how many games have you guys even played together? didn't c4 say he's wolfed twice or something?

outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:52 am
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:49 am That line SPF wrote about reading C4 as a villager so they should be a villager just felt super wrong
Like I get in the world where it's a joke but it's still a joke that has the intended effect to make you think along those lines

@bronana

Ordered list, I guess ?

what post are you talking about?

i don't do ordered lists thats a sign of weakness

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:24 am i finally become confident in voting for the person youve been saying is wolf for days and then you jump around

when everyone aligns behind me and says yeah you're right, the first think i think is "fuck i'm probably wrong"

[VOTE: c4] aubergine

Whether we win the game or lose the game is beside the argument. You townreading me, if you are a villager, is probably the worst single townread in the history of townreads that I have ever seen, in my entire life, in 3 years, on MU, on POG, and I've been a host for 2 of them and played dozens. It is potentially one of the most anti-town actions I've laid my eyes on in my entire WW career. It is atrocious, dumbfounding, and inexcusable, and close to the border of gamethrowing. And sullies your entire effort to the game, so that your biggest contribution to the game is one in which you are literally indistinguishable to an outted wolf whose team has been decimated so far. Indeed, if you are a villager then wolves got an extra wolf, meaning that YOU ALONE are responsible for making this setup wolfsided. Think about that for a second.

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