The Syndicate

[VOTE: outed wolf] aubergine

deus vult

righteously *insubordinate

I have to admit I'm more comfortable being righteously subordinate than having people agree and follow my vote lol

bronana wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:11 pmbronana/amy/sunbae/spf

the four pillars of the village

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:49 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:49 pm three strongest townreads ATM are nutella, c4, and bronana

I’m jealous

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:44 pm @bronana When did you conclude you weren’t going to vote me? I thought you were not sure. Just curious

shortly before i said it :P

good posts + decided to trust sunbae & the people who know you saying dude dizzy is a villager + tired of saying/thinking dizzy seems like a villager but COULD BE a wolf + game doesn't have the mouthfeel of dizzy wolf

Marluxion wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:47 pm I'm the jailkeeper and I targeted c4 last night. @c4e5g3d5 I don't think you are ever the night kill target last night, especially not with Amy alive. Not with Chloe Nutella arete and Vulgard alive.

Arete wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:49 pm okay well I guess my reads just suck then

:wowee:

ngl I thought bronana was softing jailkeeper who targeted Sunbae

Arete wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:50 pm[VOTE: c4] aubergine

Arete wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:55 pm @Marluxion

am I reading you correctly that you claimed to Vul in your neighborhood

he was already clear but if he can be extra clear that's cool too

Arete wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 7:02 pm Amy pointed this out already but it would be really weird for wolves to decide to just factional kill c4 (which could in theory happen), or any non-Amy target, while not roleblocking Amy

when marl claims he jk'd c4 ---> "well i guess my reads just suck then, vote: c4, wolves would never kill a non-amy target without roleblocking amy"

when sunbae counterclaims and says he jailed vulgard ---> "actually my reads are perfect and sunbae is a wolf, look at all these explanations for why amy wasn't roleblocked, i will make this point very aggressively and ridicule people who disagree"

?????

townread for the wrong raisins

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:05 pm this might sound wacky but i think the fact that bronana defended dyachei so fervently even as the pressure ramped against them is actually a point in zack's favor - dyachei clearly knew that they were going to die sooner than later and i would anticipate that dyachei would want to be bussed and distanced from early instead of being defended. i have no doubt in my mind that the remaining wolf distanced from dyachei, and that isn't really reflected in most of bronana's posts about them

I dunno about that, as a wolf I'd probably have tried to delay the dya yeet as long as I could get away with. You gotta look at dya's side to see the posts that make us not w/w.

But if you want my POV: I thought dya had a wolfy start, they got mad at me, I backed off, some of the reasons people were sussing them were vague or not particularly AI for dya, I got lumped in with them as a teammate, alison didn't show up to defender herself, alison flips V, dya's d3 was poor, looked partnery with vulgard, everyone immediately voted them d4 and there was no point to me piling on so I focused elsewhere.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:01 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:30 pm c4 seems much different that CoV. They aren't fucking around as much as they did there

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:30 pm c4 had a lot of agenda'd posting and joking around in CoV, sunbae. Like a lot of it. It was easy to call him out as a wolf after the first wolf flipped.

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:24 pm i actually kind of like her posts. why is she a wolf?

it's worth mentioning that dyachei's treatment of c4 in the first couple pages of the game was fairly friendly - dya immediately brought up that c4 was playing differently from CoV (where he was a wolf) and they prodded at c4's early read on me

im leaning on these posts spewing c4 as town - i think it would be easy for dya as a wolf to get their head into the game by calling out the obvious meta differences between c4's play in this game and his play in CoV, and the way that he prompted c4 to explain his read on me felt like they were TMI'ing both of us as villagers

the second quote has "i know i'm right" energy to it tbh

when sunbae broke the game open but i made a few posts vaguely shading wolves at some point in time

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:19 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:46 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:43 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:42 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:35 pm Imagine I'm voting spf for the first time

town

This mean you know why?

not really - i just see that you're being coy about your reasoning for finding me suspicious and keeping your cards close to your chest, which is the direct inverse of how you approached the early game as a wolf in CoV, which makes me think that youre probably just playing from a villager mindset

(you also agreed with me about arete's vote being vaguely towny even though i did not put that thought into the thread and decided to keep it to myself)

This is too far out there. Her extrapolating so much from that post looks like TMI. Saying SPF is sus for not selfvoting was a meme, but her being quick to townread both c4e and Hally is wolfy. Neither deserves early townreads for their posting. Especially not Hally, who SPF has experience with as both alignments.

Zack notices that about SPF, but his take is "wolf writes a post they think sounds good," not "wolf TMIng c4e/Hally (?)." Still like the fact he chose to point that out, though he isn't committing. V lean.

SPF calling nutella nervous also feels like a conclusion drawn too early. It being instantly sheeped is another thing.

the bold/underlined has been in the back of my mind as a strange thing for vulgard to say

it feels a bit w/w with SPF but it's also in his first post where he writes a million words about SPF in a way that seems w/v so

I somewhat suspect vulgard made a point of calling my overnight wall not villagy because he knew the reads I expressed in it were utter crap

I'm exactly in the middle of that list

therefore I'm town

I don't see myself ever voting Nutella, visor, or dizzy.

I think SPF is a villager and don't find the case against her particularly convincing. the thing about SPF is her playstyle is one where she: makes an effort to be nice and diplomatic to others, thoroughly explains herself, keeps an open mind, brings up valid points for and against her reads. (incidentally, it's reasonably similar to how I think I'd play if I wasn't an impatient, lazy asshole.) some of these are things I think people just inherently find suspicious on some subconscious level based on expectations of how most villagers play. it doesn't help that SPF herself admits she busses hard and is a very capable wolf.

all that said, I can easily follow her thought process this game and see her pov, she's been pretty transparent with her thoughts, Sunbae cleared her if dya flipped wolf (after he re-read the thread). I just don't think she's a wolf, but it is possible.

c4, basically here I have SPF/Mark's meta-read and vulgard's treatment of him didn't seem w/w. I don't know how much he busses as a wolf, when I glanced at cov it seemed like "very little" but who knows. I think nothing of how dya turned on him, that is within w/w range for them, especially when he was pushing dya first.

I think it's arete and have already talked about this at length

outed wolf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:14 pm shooting zack also makes me look wolfier

really surprised that didnt happen

rub salt in the wound why dont ya

I've been thinking about c4 lately (no sexual).

outed wolf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:47 pm the person doing the least solving in thi game who is still alive is c4. thats all i know

fair enough

he has also had an odd mix of being abrasive and confrontational while also seeming to avoid interaction? which seems paradoxical but it's the vibe I've gotten

doesnt sunbaes flowchart say to go arete now?

and to clear spf if dya is a wolf

either way someones dying wish is getting pooped on

I wonder if vulgard kept shading me without actually pushing me not because he expected me to actually eat the lunch anytime soon

but more to try and throw a cloud over me challenging the arete/vulgard godread thing and trying to get people to discount my opinions

I'll acknowledge I think about nightkills differently than a lot of people, though. most people are obsessed with killing clears ASAP even when said clears aren't much of a threat to them

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:17 pm

bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:13 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:11 pm dizzy and i both just *feel* it's not arete, idk maybe i'm being dumb and zack is right but their disappointment seemed real and their solving yesterday was p good i thought, and seemed like they genuinely hoped/expected syn to end it

meh we can still go there maybe im dumb

everyone and the mother has you as top town since d1, you're alive on d6, has it occurred to you that you may be wrong?

like cmon, if spf kills marl over you what the fuck is she even doing

....i mean if i die everyone would figure it *was* her no?

i think marl was pretty much always gonna be the kill no matter who the wolf is

I don't think that's true, assuming you are town then you and marl were not really that dissimilar on level of being townread, and iirc you even made some posts yesterday saying you thought you'd be killed?

if I was a wolf i'd kill you or visor over marl, you two are far more likely to be annoying and tinfoil or push me. (Probably not visor, that would stand out as a weird kill at this point.)

shrug I probably would've killed you/visor before amy even (back when visor was pretty much cleared by everyone), amy wasn't really doing anything and was just an IC. The kills seem extremely safe to me, it's almost strange after how unexpected the n1 kill target was.

outed wolf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:14 pm that said why kill marl as arete?

marl said arete was a villager

sunbae - amy - marl are all safe kills on who is the most cleared

the only people seriously pushing arete in any sense have been me, you, and syn. I don't think I'm missing anyone. If arete kills in that group it's a huge red flag

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:11 pm dizzy and i both just *feel* it's not arete, idk maybe i'm being dumb and zack is right but their disappointment seemed real and their solving yesterday was p good i thought, and seemed like they genuinely hoped/expected syn to end it

meh we can still go there maybe im dumb

everyone and the mother has you as top town since d1, you're alive on d6, has it occurred to you that you may be wrong?

like cmon, if spf kills marl over you what the fuck is she even doing

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:04 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:00 pm -but you don't know whether or not i meant to put vulgard on my townleans or my townreads, do you? it should be obvious that i was debating which tier to put him on and accidentally left him on both - the exact same mistake that i made with amy. the fact that i did NOT move vulgard down to my townleans (to my memory, actually) pokes a giant hole in your entire argument

no, because in literally all of your other posts hes one of your highest townreads. theres no reason he would be in the second tier rather than the first, it's inconsistent with everything else you say about him

everyone was townreading vulgard and the vulgard/arete godreading each other town thing, why would spf even bother downgrading vulgard in her reads

arete hard-defended and "godread" vulgard town, which they've never ever been wrong on before, has otherwise been thoroughly underwhelming (I can't recall them doing much other than talking about vulgard, casing tangy a bit d1, and popping in to call people town)

d3 they instantly voted c4 when marl claimed JK, then when sunbae CC's and accuses vulgard in a way that makes zero sense ever coming from a wolf, goes apeshit accusing him of being a wolf and declaring vulgard a "99% villager" despite being effectively redchecked, which is just insane regardless of any townread you have on him? Then once people started townreading arete for their reaction, and it became clear vulgard was going down, arete starts backtracking and vulgard starts trolling.

all arete can talk about is why all these villagers are villagers

what am i missing here folks?

[VOTE: arete] aubergine

are those really even that similar? or meaningful, even if they are?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:43 pm spf has SEVERAL posts repeating a list of names including vulgard that she specifically keeps saying "hopefully only one wolf in this list" "one wolf max" like over and over, she says this at least 3 or 4 times, i think this can legitimately be tmi including vulgard and knowing it does in fact include exactly one wolf

I am pretty sure this is just how spf operates, she did the same thing d1 of mountain climbing mafia (as villager, died n1)

the crushing moment when the 2% chance to be night killed failed to occur

buttcrack

thats the joke marl

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:57 pm this game is JJJ's stanford prison experiment

of dubious merit and highly unethical?

night 5

bronana was killed. he was: an inspiration to us all.

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:54 pm hey guys guess what

chicken butt?

why did you all wait until the very end to talk about anything smh

Marluxion wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:49 pm I think the last wolf is in syn/dizzy/spf

SPF turning on c4 is more or less what i'd expect when the noose of the PoE starts shrinking onto them as we near the endgame

Syn just has like
no reason to townread him at all

and dizzy i still feel felt agenda-ey to me the day vulgard died, even if they've explained their thought processes

i generally agree with these but idk if i will ever be comfortable clearing arete

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:48 pm another thing about spf, she talked about how hard she went after dya but... i dont remember that really, obv i'm a bit biased but i feel like visor and i were the main pushers of dya throughout the game

maybe i am misremembering but same

i was a bit perplexed by spf saying "how could you possibly think this was a bus?" (or whatever it was) while also admitting she hardbusses as a wolf, idk ... seems in hardbus range to me?

vulgard the soulread god

ya seems like one of those "mad that a villager i could mislunch is getting cleared" reads

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:26 pm i dont really believe in my heart that syn is a wolf even though i think it's entirely possible

so im in that awkward inbetween state where i dont quite have the time to figure out who i would wanna chop in a world where syn doesnt get killed, but where syn being killed doesn't feel exactly right to me

hopefully it's just syn and im just being silly

weren't you coming in hard saying the neighbor chat was wolfy and he was lying about it? why do you think he's town and why did you only bring this up after 46 hours?

[VOTE: syn] aubergine

glgl

and I mean in that situation d3, what else could that team do. they're just fucked

his prices lol

process

I can't follow the thought process of a single read syn has made

I have only played a couple v/v games with him, but iirc I townread him d1 and found his prices straightforward and easy to understand. granted subbing in d3 is different

also three different people have been in the slot and I find none of them villagy, and all wolfy to some extent. i could just be wrong and bad, but idk I struggle to see it. everyone else I can at least see being town and understand their POV to some degree

why do you think syn is town?

if only bronana had pointed out this stuff about Chloe days ago :P

this game has been weird in that it's day 5 and every day so far, including this one, it's been fairly obvious who would be yeeted shortly after the day started (except maybe d2 but it was still very clear Alison would be a top candidate at least)

and then tried to push marl over vulgard d3

am I crazy or are both of those things that could easily be seen as powerwolfing

I'd probably look harder at dizzy I guess

I think both him and nutella(?) have said something like he would have power wolfed or whatever and that he didn't, but he did defend kza pretty hard d1 and try to draw suspicion to me

not sure, I'd have to put on my big boy pants and really dig in

dya/nutella interactions seem too acrimonious for w/w, both seemed genuinely rustled by the other