The Syndicate

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Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 1:49 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 1:45 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 1:43 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 1:41 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 1:40 pm Alison, would you say that are you someone that isn't afraid to bus your teammates?

I hellbus fearlessly when I am mafia. I think people who are afraid to bus are pussies

What does hellbus mean (actual question) in regards to bussing

It means you dont relent or give yourself any outs to hop off. Its a battle to the death

I wouldnt bus porscha here though if thats what youre thinking. Its an int to bus in a cop doc setup d1 because if the cop checks you its instant gg

Gotcha

Interesting qualifier. So you hellbus fearlessly but you wouldn't have done so this game.

more shading of towncore trying to widen the poe zzz

its manipulative, he isn't outright saying he finds it sus, he's stating what alison said in a tone which sets you up (the reader) to go "hmmm, suspicious words coming from alison", without getting his own hands dirty. ultra common wolf tell

>>>if falcon flips town kill scotty is my legacy. please kill his ass<<<

if falcon flips mafia i think u guys will win easily it rly doesnt matter whos the last wolf

Camilla wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 11:10 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 5:20 pm It's a poll

Spoiler: show

@tutuu

On reread I kind would like to chop Jack over Pyxxy if Falcon's W on re-read. Especially if Falcon's the RB'er.

If the team's Falcon/Pyxxy/Porscha then it means that Pyxxy decided to bus his second teammate after a d1 wolf kill and while playing in an extremely lethargic way and while the cop is still alive. Not really something I think is likely.

sure i give u my blessing to do as you please queen

if falcon is mafia the game is unwinnable for wolves imo so im not rly bothering to think about that

@falcon45ca im expecting a 10 page dissertation thesis about whos mafia with logistically argumentativevly outlined bullet points, arithmetical and geometrical analysis of the game state including +-EV and percentage chance of success, root tree diagram of possible scum combinations and potential outcomes. you have work to do buddy. chop, chop

i wrote a semi lengthy post about thinking who's not w/w but im discarding it ... with cop dead mafia are free to bus safely. mafia loves to bus. u guys love to bus. they can get away with it too with town apathy. i wont be defending falcon no more i dont want to get in your guys' way

Camilla wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:35 pm I know Tutuu will hate me but I feel like Scotty's posts were villagery irt the threadstate.

Today would be a fairly easy day for a wolf to post since it just feels like we're just sleepwalking into a Falcon lynch so for him to tinfoil loud voices like me/Alison today doesn't really feel like it's what a wolf would do.

I just don't see the logic to do this and it kind of feels more like villager paranoia.

i wont hate u ur fluffy and adorable and cute

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:07 pm I agree with Tutuu in a vacuum that's a bad Scotty post. I haven't looked at his other stuff and don't have enough confidence in my Scotty reading ability to follow that push atm.

You can call that cowardly wolf motivated for not wanting to push a partner/misyeet but it's just ya know that last sentence rephrased.

This is some opportunistic bullshit and you know it

So outside of the ‘vacuum’ it’s a good post? Or is there no correlation.

first sentence is mafia who thinks he's caught for the wrong reasons zzz

id chop falcon -> pyxxy -> scotty (assuming falcon and pyxxy town) (if either wolf, think over)

i dont think a team of 2 in {alison, camilla, wilgy, roxy, jack} makes a lot of sense

i suppose this can lose to wilgy + jack but. theres always 1 team we lose to worst case scenario

if replace scotty with jack chop earlier than lose to scotty + wilgy team. so need to pick 1 combination to lose to. and always lose to roxy alison camilla maf imo

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine i hate this but im trusting u guys

LOL

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:08 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:06 pm scotty and falcon have opposite alignments if they don't i'll literally piss in a cup and drink it

Gross.

i will record it on camera and send it to you too

scotty and falcon have opposite alignments if they don't i'll literally piss in a cup and drink it

Camilla wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:02 pm This is kind of why I wished Zenon would have peeked someone else as peeking you was basically a waste being that vocal slots tend to resolve themselves, tbh.

With the game-state as-is I feel like the ideal peek would've been Pyxxy or Scotty.

she yelled that voting for porscha is gamethrowing and when i decided to listen to her she peeked me for it

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 4:43 pm I just can’t shake this feeling.

Eh

Maybe falcon is the safer choice today

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

this. is. not. a real. post

this. reads. like a script. from a play.

script ... from a porno. awkward asf dialogue. theatrical. made out of plastic. fake. not real.

that said im scared as fuck if u guys sheep me and chop scotty today. i still a pussy. pussy as shit. so plz dont. i wont gloat about it later i dont do stuff like that

Camilla wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 4:53 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 4:45 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 4:12 pm Camilla has been really agreeable with most of my reads all game and is firmly wedged in the consensus town thots and it’s actually weirding me out

Should I be weirded out?

scotty is a cornered wolf trying to expand the poe

first he tried with alison now with camilla

Why expand the PoE with me and Alison since both of us still have Pyxxy/Falcon/Jack/Wilgy who are far more ML'able?

I don't get the wolf motivation behind these actions as going after both of us doesn't really feel optimal for a wolf in his position to make.

damaging ur town status in hopes other townies start getting paranoid of you. sowing chaos. the grip is tightening around scotty just like his massagist breaking every bone on his back. i dont think its an implausible wolf behavior. his partner is in those list of 4. he needs 3 mischops to win - he could win if we miss 3 times in a row but there's a world he goes to f3 too. i think its a general wolf tell to try to expand the poe by doubting obvious town. i think his tone is manipulative as fuck

@pyxxy can you place a vote asap. i want to see what you do

@Jackofhearts2005 you too. there's no hammer

scotty + jack or scotty + pyxxy

he's already planting the seed of doubt in camilla

he knows falcon will flip town

"I just can’t shake this feeling.

Eh"

listen to how fucking manipulative this sounds

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 4:43 pm I just can’t shake this feeling.

Eh

Maybe falcon is the safer choice today

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

FUCKING WOLF FUCKING DIE

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 4:29 pm It’s not even that tho. I just combed through your iso and there isn’t much that seems….I dunno…fresh? Does that make sense? It hasn’t been on my radar because I happen to have agreed with your reads up to this point, but when I look at it in a vacuum:

god ur such an obv wolf

[VOTE: scotty] aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 4:12 pm Camilla has been really agreeable with most of my reads all game and is firmly wedged in the consensus town thots and it’s actually weirding me out

Should I be weirded out?

scotty is a cornered wolf trying to expand the poe

first he tried with alison now with camilla

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 9:10 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:37 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:55 am D1.......manifest............................tutuu.......tell them..............my scum range.......again.......pls and ty.......

..............when wolfing.......with.......Porsch-dawg..............I..............lolcatted..............I would.......never.......repeat that..............consecutive..............ergo..............eod D1.......wagons.......would.......never.......happen............................fin.......
.......for.......legal.......reasons............................pyxxy's.......ego.......is.......involved.......here.......

your scum range is large, in a vacuum everything you've said and done this game is possible by scum pyxxy

but the second point is good. if you're mafia you're replicating letter for letter the same scenario with wolf porscha. and i agree its not likely for wolves to do that in two consecutive games. there was a similar argument with rondo doing something similar to porscha and he argued he wouldnt do it right after a wolf flipped, as wolf, and it was right

Eh. They’re both independent thinkers, and it’s not like pyxxy is actually lolcatting here. He has a gimmick, sure, but I wouldn’t even call it replication of Porscha’s tone.

I mean, it’s not like pyxxy and Porscha *wanted* to be wagons at eod.

i meant replicating his previous scum game with porscha where they bussed each other

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:55 am D1.......manifest............................tutuu.......tell them..............my scum range.......again.......pls and ty.......

..............when wolfing.......with.......Porsch-dawg..............I..............lolcatted..............I would.......never.......repeat that..............consecutive..............ergo..............eod D1.......wagons.......would.......never.......happen............................fin.......
.......for.......legal.......reasons............................pyxxy's.......ego.......is.......involved.......here.......

your scum range is large, in a vacuum everything you've said and done this game is possible by scum pyxxy

but the second point is good. if you're mafia you're replicating letter for letter the same scenario with wolf porscha. and i agree its not likely for wolves to do that in two consecutive games. there was a similar argument with rondo doing something similar to porscha and he argued he wouldnt do it right after a wolf flipped, as wolf, and it was right

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 9:50 pm I get you’re trying to figure out if I had TMI on their alignment

porscha post-mortem copium

sigh ok

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

if falcon flips town and i survive im going kim jong un mode

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:49 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:33 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:28 pm at least I can put away my tinfoil on you and zenon.

what? you didn't tinfoil zenon. am i wrong? could you quote me where did you express concern of zenon?

It was a passing fancy to be said in case yall both survived toward f5 or something

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 4:10 pm For the record, I think the only way tutuu or Zenon are bad is if they’re both bad. Which is quite entirely possible, but not an avenue im even going to walk down because it’s got 4 houses and it’s about to be upgraded to a hotel and I can’t afford that shit

other than noticing that she was the cop who had me peeked, how did you form the read that me and her are the same alignment?

@Scotty

scotty ur a fucking wolf u didnt tinfoil zenon u have 2 posts mentioning her on day 2, one defending her and one defending urself from someone by citing you're sheeipng her and me

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:33 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:28 pm at least I can put away my tinfoil on you and zenon.

what? you didn't tinfoil zenon. am i wrong? could you quote me where did you express concern of zenon?

im getting optimistic here, hopefully not for nothing, because i had iso'd scotty earlier, he had zenon as second top townread on day 1 and i didnt see any interaction or read or concern from him to her on day 2. let me check again i hope i didnt miss it

could*

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:32 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 5:20 pm but alison and camilla wont like scotty vote

but idk it just feels like he's the deep wolf to me

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Can you make a bullet point list of why Alison? I can't make the move to add her to towncore even though I have liked what she's posted. Is it the Porscha vote?

-porscha vote, specifically sheeping me on it after townreading her before that
-just general obvtown since d1 via daytalk, cant rly explain it with words, if i couldnt it wouldnt be alignment indicative as she would emulate it as wolf

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:28 pm at least I can put away my tinfoil on you and zenon.

what? you didn't tinfoil zenon. am i wrong? could you quote me where did you express concern of zenon?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 12:12 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 12:09 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 12:07 pm Is there any good reason to SR my slot?




Nope. I am being wagoned by apathetic town (fitting I s'spose), and at least 1 scum IMO. My wagon does not feel pure. There are those voting me who have have not even engaged me or asked me a single question

I was thinking you were so in your normal town range but others pointed to your vote and then dipping out and it made me wonder if my initial read is/was correct.

voting falcon specifically for this line. You cant be afk all game then get pissed when people want to off lhf and mad that they havent asked you questions because you havent been around to ask questions. that circular logic has made me want to blast out of my fake apathy and turbo that slot for the sheer fucking hubris

this is quite ironic isnt it rondo

Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 7:04 pm Do we have to consider camilla scum worlds if falcon is maf

honestly yeah i wouldnt be opposed - even before fx. i just think falcon is unlikely wolf in the first place for that to happen. im not seeing a lot of plausible falcon partners. camilla fits with him a lot. but camilla is also mega town to me, coincides with my stubborn gut feeling that falcon is town

Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 7:00 pm Maybe I'm wrong on pyxxy

i would support pyxxy chop, i think if he flips town wilgy and roxy are clear. if he's mafia then they should be poe

id only be worried if scotty goes deep and there'd be nobody to push him after i die (if we chop pyxxy and he's town)

i dont think wolf falcon ever endgames here and wins

i acknowledge that this sentiment is a bit selfish of me - ie if we go with my suggestions, there is less room to catch other potential deep wolves at fx like alison camilla since then hypotethically id be offering to chop falcon - but i hope thats alright, im just sharing my reads, obviously everyone free to vote whoever they want, hopefully im not forceful as i dont like that : )

i dont think scotty + falcon team makes sense

scotty just ends up on the cw of a wolf - again - thats a suicidal strat. its not a thing

wilgy and roxy make sense as wolves only with pyxxy imo. otherwise its an unnecessary bus that they don't even capitalize too much. and they feel alone, as alison likes to say. i e they're doing their own thing by themselves

obviously i have to be wrong at least on 1 townread (2 if im wrong that scotty is wolf)

scotty + pyxxy and scotty + jack team feels cozy to me, sensible

honestly pyxxy + jack team also makes sense and feels cozy

scotty + pyxxy
scotty + jack
pyxxy + jack
pyxxy + wilgy

these teams feel cozy to me

Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 6:26 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 6:04 pm im gonna make the educated assumption that mafia figured out zenon was cop before day 2 ended

because to me she was very obviously the cop. and i wasn't even looking to pr hunt. all info i had was knowing im town, and reading her posts

the mafia, also knowing im town, and also reading her posts, and having a much stronger desire to pr hunt - thats likely gonna lead to them figuring out shes cop somewhere around d2. and therefore they'd figure out im her n1 peek

so im gonna give roxy more town points for ending up voting for me. scum just doesnt do that. not likely to

i also wanna give falcon town points for that. for scumreading me towards the end

Why does mafia refrain from pushing their PR read? They can park on someone they know won't go over, go to sleep, and let town exe someone else while their hands are kept clean. Easy enough to move off Zenon and onto someone like Rondo if a mafia's life is in danger.

they certainly could, its just not something that i see often, depending on the player. i dont think that the players im making this read about - i dont think they're the archetype of wolf players to do that

but yeah today will hopefully go well, a lot of opportunity for pushes to be made and stuff. hopefully everyone who's town picks up the pace a little and does well

Camilla wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 6:33 pm How would the role thing work?

Would they have asked in wolfchat if Seanzie flipped VT just because Syn didn't clarify it?

im saying that i think its more likely that wolves were told that the game wasn't flipless. after asking in wolf chat, yeah

Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 6:22 pm Wilgy feels like he's paying attention.

when he sees this i feel like he's gonna quote this and say this exact thing:

Camilla wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 6:29 pm There's a fair chance that it was a doc dodge being that you/Alison/Me were the likely doctor targets for last night while Zenon wasn't as while she was wolfread by multiple people both of us were still hard-shielding her.

it could be a doc dodge and yes im assuming but it just feels right, to me

Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 6:22 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 5:53 pm i do think the people pushing zenon yesterday are more likely to be town. u dont identify the cop as mafia and then push him. u certainly could, but most people wouldnt

Zenon is a she/her iirc

yeah, bilingual slip. i was thinking of the word "cop" there, that i referred as him. my language is gendered, and the word cop has the male gender

Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 6:10 pm Do you have any concrete reasons for suspecting Scotty beyond "too townie to be town"?

his voting record is wolfsided especially if pyxxy is town

he potentially had tmi that syn not revealing the roles was due to lazyness rather than a flipless game (i said that i thought its that itt, while camilla theorized we're flipless, and scotty said he thought the same as me) - which is another reason to tr camilla due to her lack of tmi (i am gonna assume that syn told the wolves what kind of game we're playing at) - and while i did, as town, have the thought that ended up being real (that im framing as tmi) - its also possible scotty came to that conclusion due to being mafia so he knew

scotty's pushes and reads seem to align with the consensus of the town at all times

scotty's whole playstyle seems to align with the consensus of what's considered likeable and expected from a good samaritan villager. thats not inherently scummy but it might be for scotty. because i find this uncharacteristic of scotty, a lot. you dont seem to put merit in "too townie to be town" but to me it has some merit depending on the player its being applied to. for instance in that 1 game ive seen falcon wolf, a few months ago - he was polar opposite from this one. he hyper posted, alison, genuinely hyperposted, explained his reads, did everything properly. in every single town game ive seen from falcon he's acting the same way he's acting this game. its just consistent

i dont have any particular damning ammo to shoot at scotty, but im putting more merit in my reasons to townread other people than him

i also had the early game townread on scotty due to this tone. but. right now, im putting more merit in the townread on prince j that he wouldnt dip the game as w/w with porscha. the reasons i outlined for townreading falcon earlier - im liking them more. if pyxxy is town, there's a lot pointing to wilgy town too. so to me scotty just ends up likely mafia due to poe (the original meaning of the term poe - process of elimination)

im gonna make the educated assumption that mafia figured out zenon was cop before day 2 ended

because to me she was very obviously the cop. and i wasn't even looking to pr hunt. all info i had was knowing im town, and reading her posts

the mafia, also knowing im town, and also reading her posts, and having a much stronger desire to pr hunt - thats likely gonna lead to them figuring out shes cop somewhere around d2. and therefore they'd figure out im her n1 peek

so im gonna give roxy more town points for ending up voting for me. scum just doesnt do that. not likely to

i also wanna give falcon town points for that. for scumreading me towards the end

can i ask you to go over why do you townread scotty again? @Camilla @Alison

Camilla wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 5:55 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 5:46 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 5:39 pm falcon and Wilgy/Jack is my solve probably.

do falcon and wilgy/prince j identify zenon as the cop?

i think that points to at least 1 of the mafia paying attention

J's basically not playing.

So in this world then Falcon would always perform the nightkill unless Jack read the entire game before subbing in.

jack entered the game after night ended. even if he entered before without it being announced, i dont think jack would put in the effort to do that

i dont think falcon both:

1) identifies zenon as the cop
2) chooses to push her purposefully knowing he can't chop her

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 2:27 pm .......what.......I'm.......struggling.......with............................besides.......the gimmick.......

.......Scotty.......Tutuu.......Zenon.......Camilla.......

.......all.......share..............the same..............worldview..............that D1..............was SvS.......

..............so.......who's..............foolling..............who?.......

probably just town (pyxxy)

i do think the people pushing zenon yesterday are more likely to be town. u dont identify the cop as mafia and then push him. u certainly could, but most people wouldnt