The Syndicate

Hi. I got 0 motivation for this game (im 10 posts over the post cap anyway). Creature is the one singular town whos willing to work with me and u guys are about to kill him. 7v5 is mech loss due to mafia having access to zealot and a 1-shot chop stopping card. So the game ends today essentially. do understand why tomorrow ill stop posting, assuming u guys chop creature and he flips town. Ive put enough effort for 10 people but enough is enough. I cant discern between wolves and wolfsiding town with bad reads, nor i can convince anyone anymore. fmpov if jack is town he's wolf mvp with his collected read accuracy and pushes.

eod is 3 am my time, im not staying up, won't be here to self-pres, so go wild

@Creature i loved playing with ya, and god bless. See u next game

overall i had a lot of fun this game guys. today was not fun but before that it was amazing. ggs

uh-oh i might have went over the post cap. let me count

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:01 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:48 pm i like u @Creature thanks for keeping it real
Yeah tbh you gave me some motivation back and I'm still grateful for it even if you turn out to be wolf just abusing my helplessness. It would also be really funny if you turned out to be Askthepizzaguy.

Anyway, I think most large wagons were on town this game and hence why I think wolves got fair control of the threadstate.

<3

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:01 pm Meanwhile in wolfchat…

Spoiler: show
Tutuu: I need to pocket SOMEONE
Creature: Yeah but I’m on your team

This one was pretty funny, thanks for being original and not copying my humor for once!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:57 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:54 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:53 pm Getting massively tilted at my townreads being here, me making a point and then they all disappear without addressing it except Bereft.

Nah. I think I can cheer myself up by yeeting a wolf.

u couldnt find a wolf even if u were surrounded by nothing but wolves, kiddo. ud probably call urself a wolf

anyway creature i like ur playstyle, and i rly like ur sense of humor, i like how ur keeping ur wim up.

earlier i gave u a boost, now u gave one to me

best friends forever

ok, ill keep my wim up. it helps that ur also seeing dennis and bereft as mafia, it helps me a ton

oh im not blaming anyone!

that like an emotionally-neutral observation

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:53 pm Getting massively tilted at my townreads being here, me making a point and then they all disappear without addressing it except Bereft.

i like u @Creature thanks for keeping it real

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:42 pm Imagine being a townie and just lol giving up because someone suspects you.

I’d crawl into a hole and never come out.

keep copy pasting all my posts u'll never be as cool as me

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:41 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:29 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:27 pm Wait we have 2 misyeets left??? Crap.
no lol

mafia can stop 2 chops

theres also doctor card

and vengeful

a lot of variations but its potentially LyLo today
then we're pretty fucked

yea the moment roxy flipped what she wasn't supposed to flip it was gg

jack was the killing blow to my wim gg

(i am town)

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:32 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:29 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:27 pm Wait we have 2 misyeets left??? Crap.
no lol

mafia can stop 2 chops

theres also doctor card

and vengeful

a lot of variations but its potentially LyLo today
Potentially LYLO and you choose to spend it pushing me. Amazing.

u started it

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:27 pm Wait we have 2 misyeets left??? Crap.

no lol

mafia can stop 2 chops

theres also doctor card

and vengeful

a lot of variations but its potentially LyLo today

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:26 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:22 pm [VOTE: jack] aubergine
What are you even doing? Like I am wracking my brain for a world where your mindset as a townie when it’s D4 with no dead wolves and we have 2 misyeets left and no consensus and like…this is the way town Tutuu reacts to that situation. Not just this. Your last like six posts. You read like a wolf who is having fun cause she’s winning and is feeling no pressure and thinks she can power through.

i hate that ur scumreading me and i think creature is town

also im very much in the poe and probably the chop for today

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

bereft - jeff bezos
spf - cruella de vil
jack - o'brien
sig - lurch

tutuu - smelly hobo
wilgy - drunk hobo
creature - pantless hobo

i dont make w/w sense with anyone but jack and wilgy

haters will hate on this simple fact

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:10 pm @DrWilgy

You’re the only player voting Bereft that I think has room to be a townie.

Please vote Creature or Tutuu. We’re forcing w/w wagons today. Thanks!

@DrWilgy no dont do it keep it steady

dude bereft is like jeff bezos. jack is like his executive PR guy. and we're amazon warehouse workers. i dunno about u wilgy but im tired of having to piss my pants every day

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:08 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:04 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:03 pm Tutuu and SPF have been fighting all day
we barely talked to each other
Ya’ll we’re fighting right after I left yesterday and you’re fighting now. Ergo, you were fighting all day.

valid

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:04 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:04 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:03 pm Tutuu and SPF have been fighting all day
we barely talked to each other
it's bcuz i am super angry at u and giving u the silent treatment

Ah, women

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:03 pm Tutuu and SPF have been fighting all day

we barely talked to each other

rn im at

mac, seanzie, porscha
jack, creature, wilgy, sabi
spf, sig
falcon
bereft, dennis

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:45 pm @tutuu -

i think that for me to get to a world where you are town and bereft is mafia, i need you to explain to me why bereft is mafia with reasoning that extends beyond: "his tone in this post is scummy" or "my heart is purer than berefts", or anything like that

because yeah, i do admit that a big part of my reasoning to townread bereft is because his solving and his analysis feels like it comes from the perspective of someone who is thinking critically about the game, and of course it's possible for me to be wrong about that, but if i am, i'm not going to be able to find him through tone or heart or whatever. my brain doesn't work that way. i need concrete logic

and the point you brought up about bereft having TMI of roxy's alignment is the best one you've mentioned, since it makes "sense" to me on a logical level that some wolves may have TMI'd roxy's alignment yesterday to look good after she flipped. but i dont really even think that aligns with how bereft has played (like him making a post yesterday calling roxy obvious mafia, even if he did doubt himself toward the end, which i also did)

'fraid i cant do that

so be it, pink girl, so be it

Jack is lock town

Im not afraid of anyone or anything.

@Porscha pls help us sister im begging u. i think the game is winnable. pls read mine and bereft's posts on this page and previous one

@Seanzie pls help us

atta boy <3

ive said the exact same dumb shit all game

i was "so town that it hurts" for bereft before

but now suddenly is "..."

he doesnt even have the balls to lie and say that im scummy

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

scumreading him even more than Dennis now

@Creature please help me

@Jackofhearts2005

you too, we are like the beggars of the town, everyone hates us, nobody wants us. we gotta stick together.

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 1:04 pm Sig/Falcon/Jack/Creature/Tutuu ?

I have trouble seeing worlds where Jack and Creature aren't both mafia, and Tutuu nonchalantly going "they're too wolfy to be wolf" is ...

@MacDougall @staypositivefriend @lucy sorry for all the pings but u just have thread pull and im trynna win

this is a textbook scaredy cat wolf who doesnt have the guts to fake town aggression / conviction

"and Tutuu nonchalantly going "they're too wolfy to be wolf" is ..."

"Ah, so now we argue via "Bereft is not allowed to think thoughts over long periods of time - (snipped) - blah blah blah blah"

just look at the tone lol

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:47 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:41 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:38 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:33 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:31 pm Why would Bereft not indicate this fact and continue to lead me to think otherwise though?
because he's mafia. kill him. i want him dead. please.
You want him dead but you are on and pushing for a Dennis wagon?
when u hop in and quote the latest post without reading the previous ones (on the same page too) u will naturally get confused lol
I didn't see the newest post till after I posted

oh no thats understandable Queen, i meant the previous ones on the previous page. i spent like 30 posts throwing shit at bereft :P

all good Queen

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:38 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:33 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:31 pm Why would Bereft not indicate this fact and continue to lead me to think otherwise though?
because he's mafia. kill him. i want him dead. please.
You want him dead but you are on and pushing for a Dennis wagon?

when u hop in and quote the latest post without reading the previous ones (on the same page too) u will naturally get confused lol

King shit. i appreciate yuh

id vote but i also wanna kill dennis. if berfet goes bigger im hopping. they're both obvious wolves. berfect is trying to end the game with powerwolfing (no bussing, chop town, protect teammates)

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:31 pm Why would Bereft not indicate this fact and continue to lead me to think otherwise though?

because he's mafia. kill him. i want him dead. please.

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:35 am
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Roxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:42 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:35 am
Roxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:32 am Ps this is my only appearance this day. I voted Dennis

Bc I won't be back or respond to anyone.
If you wont highlight how its obvious on Dennis I wont vote him or rally on your behalf
Fu Rondo for making me want to help you

Every game, 2 so far, he finds his own suspicions he did it in his own fashion, this game feels like he is being led in the thread by whatever bad town play is in action. No questions just doing what he told. He did not do this before in either game. It feels like a mafia member told him here's how to be bad. And it's obv bc It does not fit with his play from the other games.

Ps this ploy will no longer work and will self destruct when I hit submit
And exactly what bad town plays would that be?

Anyways, I don't perceive Roxy as being an outed wolf (if they are a wolf they're obviously in antispew, its actually a pretty blatant antispew now that I think about it), nor do I think that Wilgy gets spewed town by anything that has happened.

"(if they are a wolf they're obviously in antispew, its actually a pretty blatant antispew now that I think about it)"

@DrWilgy i dont think that it matters too much about this whole anti spew thing but just saying. berefet is mafia. maybe by ur own logic u can find him mafia with this thing

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:16 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:12 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:08 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:46 am I was not the one pushing Roxy is obviously in antispew lets kill her, people who actually read my iso wouldve thought Ive was performing sone hedgy BS with respect to my Roxy read and I was clearly advocating for non-Roxy votes until I just gave up due to no one caring.
From those saying Roxy was in anti-spew I noticed SPF and Tutuu. We're there any others to your knowing?

Felt like that would've been another easy means to push, but would wolves double dip on the argument?
I don't know. It's easy to hide behind a general sense of "Roxy is the obvious hang" which was playing out yesterday.
I agree, but I think that the arguments used to make the wagon validated are important.

If it really was between SPF and Tutuu that used the anti spew argument, then I think we should solve in there, but holy hell idk how I would SPF and Tutuu are hard for my smol brain

bereft was the very first one to suggest she's in anti spew lmao

@DrWilgy dude im begging u vote for dennis. Please

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:58 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:27 am When bereft comes in the thread he will start screeching at me making Dennis a wagon. Mafia is close to winning and hes in a powerwolf with Dennis mindset

Just watch
Poor Dennis. Getting wagoned just out of soneone trying to spite another player.

Look at this little weasel everyone

He is saying that he thinks dennis is town and im mafia

If that was true then naturally im just a wolf playing mafia and pushing town

There is no logical reason for him to think there is SPITE in all of this, where the fuck does spite come from

He is mafia who isnt making good posts / he isnt adjusting his perspective well

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:58 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:27 am When bereft comes in the thread he will start screeching at me making Dennis a wagon. Mafia is close to winning and hes in a powerwolf with Dennis mindset

Just watch
Poor Dennis. Getting wagoned just out of soneone trying to spite another player.

AND THIS DUDE SUPPOSEDLY THINKS IM MAFIA

LOOK AT THIS POST AND LAUGH

LOOK AT THIS POST

The wolf mindset behind that bereft post is

"Ive done logically good, my alibi is solid, clearly ur wrong"

But guess what punk. Logic and me is like oil and water.

He forgets that my heart is pure. He forgets to fake his own tone and demeanor

He is voting me, supposedly thinks im mafia, and hes explaining everything so neutrally. Notice the "ah" word

That is how a theoretical town player one would think talk like, but in reality we all know that no town does this

He aint no vampire aristocrat

@MacDougall @staypositivefriend

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:53 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:03 am
Bereft wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:52 pm This game confuses me currently but I haven't been able to articulate why.

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:38 pm
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This is the town inre: lucy/Alison:

No one seems able to move past the fact that:
A) I *am* a notoriously low poster does not mean idc or do not have accurate reads
B) Alison has been wrong about Neon, fs and now me.
C) If you keep following someone that is no better than *you* to figure out this game the town will lose.

I am not in "antispew". It is something I have never done. Why? Bc mostly when I am bad I am not caught, not bragging just saying.

Lucy has done fuck all to help solve. She cannot read anyone better than YOU!

Be better. Do better. Try to pull your heds out of your asses.

I would thank certain people and give final reads but you fuckers do not deserve one ounce of my help.
I dare ANY of you to ask why after the game ends.

I send every good vibe to the mafia. I hope you win <3

his post was before roxy's post if u look at the timestamps, he literally had no reason to suspect anything was off with roxy since she has literally made 0 posts at that point (between him convinced shes an anti spewing and this)

@staypositivefriend
Ah, so now we argue via "Bereft is not allowed to think thoughts over long periods of time and do smart things and go against consensus and reevaluate other parts of Roxy's play" which BTW, everyone saw me clearly doing.

Quiet yourself, Canine.

@staypositivefriend @MacDougall

Look at me vs bereft. General tone and this post of his in particular

U 2 have a couple mafia games under ur belt

Whos the mafia between me and bereft judging by our attitudes

Uve been in the situation of having to discern it before, something like this

I believe in u

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:51 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:55 am i would like people to give me their opinions on wilgy and falcon please
Have not changed from they're clearly unpartnered and would rather vote Wilgy who probably TMI'ed Falcon town.

Wolf.

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:49 am Great we're sort of on the same page.

Wolf

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:48 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:16 am I have decided to townread Jack for bad reasons.

I still think Tutuu is the key wolf.

I think Wilgy shielding Sabi from Falcon is mafia shielding town with TMI from another town.

I really just have nfi anymore. I want out.
Oh so you also think Wilgy has been dropping TMI.

Wolf

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:47 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:45 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:46 pm Just skimming Seanzie's iso.

Day 1 and day 2 he campaigned for Baudib to die. Baudib was the towniest player in the game.

He shielded Alison then voted her at the end.

He has tunneled me relentlessly.

Hes shielded actual scummy players.

Just kill him.
(tbf I think you were the only one who thought baudib was the towniest player in the game day 1)
I also thought baudib was the towniest player and think Lucy thought something similar.

Wolf

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:46 am I was not the one pushing Roxy is obviously in antispew lets kill her, people who actually read my iso wouldve thought Ive was performing sone hedgy BS with respect to my Roxy read and I was clearly advocating for non-Roxy votes until I just gave up due to no one caring.

Wolf

Come on Bereft lay it out lets see what you got

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:36 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:32 am @staypositivefriend if ur town please recognize that both me and creature are in the PoE and yet we're voting together for Dennis whos towncore

What does that tell u?

Pls make the right choice and tell ur little doormat Maccie to obey u
wait what is it supposed to say

I'm not good with wagonomatics or whatever I've discovered

On a journey of self discovery for real

If i thought ur town id answer but i dont negotiate with terrorists sorry!

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:33 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:24 am Rn im at

Dennis and bereft - outed mafia
Falcon - almost definitely mafia
Sig, spf, wilgy, jack - has 2 town and 2 mafia
That group of 4 you say has 2 n 2 I think has 3.25 expected wolves.

Well my reasons for explaining why all of those could be town are:

Sig - too wolfy to be wolf
Spf - shes been alright, sadly shes not dead though
Wilgy - hes been cranky/emotional
Jack - hes been depressed

We'll see cowboy we'll see

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