The Syndicate

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:39 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:05 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:04 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:03 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:00 pm I make a guess for each thread before daystart

3 exact guesses, win
5 alignment guesses right in 6, win
3 consecutive player guesses, win

I guess this makes more sense to give you more outs.

So theoretically, you could have won at the end of our d2 if you had guessed everything correctly by that point?

Do you fly away into the trees if you win or

yep, if I win I leave early
cant solo win

Oh, I thought you said you’d be a survivor if you don’t fulfill your other

I can keep guessing so that wincon is always there, it's just the overarching one is 'if youre alive by the end of it all, win'

Maybe I misunderstood then. "Don't fulfill wincon" -> "I can keep guessing". I parsed this as you can win after you die

"-choose to not immediately tell us mech info about other thread from day 1, when making friends with town sounds good for him to achieve wincon and to be left alone"

I forgot to mention the mafia too. 3p Delta claiming from first post makes him friends not only with town but with mafia, as they wouldn't kill him. Yet he didn't.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:27 pm Delta claimed he has two possible wincons - survive and three different types of correct guesses on who gets chopped in both threads. He claimed that even if he dies, he can still win with the second wincon. If Delta was truthful he has no reason to not claim instantly, and immediately start giving us info on the other thresd. He loses nothing, he doesn't even need to be alive as claimed by him. Even if he is 3p he is lying about something, his play doesn't make sense for it to be truthful

His play being:

-hide the fact that hes 3p and pretend to be town out of survival, when he doesnt even need to survive

-choose to not immediately tell us mech info about other thread from day 1, when making friends with town sounds good for him to achieve wincon and to be left alone

-try to discourage people from voting him "zzz boring, lame, wagon on me stagnant" while claiming and pretending he doesn't need to be alive to win

Like sure, Delta could be 3p but I'm really confident he's lying about something. Chopping a person who claims town over chopping a person who claims non-town is an unnecessary risk. At worst chopping Delta we just lose a 3p that was never on our side, at worst chopping anyone else flips us a town and then we're further behind.

Unless we wanna argue Delta should be alive until the end of the game, I would argue it's optimal to resolve him asap and read his flip. It might help for the other players too, given that Delta claimed a PR and most if us are VTs

Delta claimed he has two possible wincons - survive and three different types of correct guesses on who gets chopped in both threads. He claimed that even if he dies, he can still win with the second wincon. If Delta was truthful he has no reason to not claim instantly, and immediately start giving us info on the other thresd. He loses nothing, he doesn't even need to be alive as claimed by him. Even if he is 3p he is lying about something, his play doesn't make sense for it to be truthful

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:27 am @Long Con can WWA not post in this thread like Robyn could?

She's Swedish it's early in the morning for her. I am interested in learning Robyn's, Mac's and TSP's alignments from her.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:27 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:06 am @Lime Coke Can I ask you to vote Delta, just in case of vote manipulation shenanigans?

@Cape90 Hi, I don't think you posted today, I could have missed it. What's up?

I will do as you ask.

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

Good boy.

@Lime Coke Can I ask you to vote Delta, just in case of vote manipulation shenanigans?

@Cape90 Hi, I don't think you posted today, I could have missed it. What's up?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:56 pm I feel pretty good about Cape.

very well

Maybe it's a scum role then, but giving feedback sounds silly to me then. Like you can reasonably clear me and Alexy for getting targeted by it if, say, Delta flips that mafia role that puts a vote on people, and for no gain to the Mafia for using it, it's just a vote, might as well be a Goon. I wouldn't like that design, we'll see though, we don't know what it is.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:52 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:09 am

Alexy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:34 am hi

I had a crappy weekend and apologize for my inactivity

I haven't read to catch up yet but wanted to check in and also say that I got one of those one additional votes placed on me this phase which I think tutu had a couple days ago

Looks like it comes from PSV

...what?

I just thought it's your role, it's fine either way

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:47 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:47 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:45 pm if Delta isn't town

He claimed non-town so I can assure you he isn't town, unless you meant to say if he's mafia

Either/or it could be a save himself attempt.

Delta isn't the type to lie as town to try save himself, I think you are too traumatized from guava. Don't worry. Pat pat

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:45 pm not feel like shit for this game

Nothing personal my friend, just business. Nothing to feel shit about. Mafia is hard

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:45 pm if Delta isn't town

He claimed non-town so I can assure you he isn't town, unless you meant to say if he's mafia

DM
tutuu

Long Con
PSV

Scotty
Alexy

Cape
Lime Coke

Wilgy
Delta

I completely forgot about Cape. Oh well, I'm not too concerned, I don't think he's endgaming if he's wolf here.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:39 pm Who else were you going after Tutuu? I've been seeing Wilgy so far that's been it.

Delta is claimed non-town and the optimal chop for today, I'm very confident he's mafia, and I'm very confident Wilgy is the last mafia. I townread everyone else except you, but Porscha claimed you to be lock town and Long Con is also townreading you. So Delta > Wilgy > Reevaluate (probably chop Lime Coke) is my current suggestion for optimal chop order

Alexy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:08 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 4:40 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:27 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:16 pm I’m protecting jack tonite btw. Do with that what you

I don't see a post in which you claimed a protective ability prior to this post - does that exist?

Mayhaps you missed this claim when you killed Jack last night

Why would I need to include a previous mention of

I guess you wouldn't (need to include a previous mention), but why out yourself as some kind of a protector and not just do it? Which, you didn't anyway. Can you protect people every day?

I think Scotty is town and that was a dorky / silly attempt of him to try to get the mafia to not kill Jack.

Alexy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:22 pm Speaking of which, how was he able to clear that many people? In my experience cops/seers can do one person per night. Is that inaccurate? Or does green peek mean something else?

He was masons with Darling Monroe. His flip told us that they had a behind the scenes chat, the two of them. Meaning, mason chat. It wasn't elaborately worded as mason, because it didn't say that Darling Monroe knows Jack is town, but it is a mason flip, just not a very clear wording on Jay's part. Doesn't make sense for only Jack to know DM is town and not vice versa, I've never seen those roles and I've been playing for years, Jay is also having a lot of vanilla roles, most of us are VTs and Goons.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:04 pm Why is Alexy town?

I think she's town because she seems very unaware of what's happening around her, and I find her attempts to figure out what's happening very pure/genuine. As opposed to a wolf slanking. I don't think it's likely she is a wolf faking the purity in trying to understand what's happening (not understanding Jack's mason flip, asking elaborately about my read that PSV is that role when it's not such a big deal). It feels to me like a very lost townie.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:57 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:02 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 4:47 pm Vote delta for a free win ᕙ(▀̿ĺ̯▀̿ ̿)ᕗ

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 4:50 pm [VOTE: Delta] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:59 pm I do think Tutuu is still flinging rubbish and would advocate a vote there.

What's this then, bait? And you caught Scotty?

Just wanted to see what'd happen. Wouldn't even call it bait.

I dont see the town logic here

He was pushig me, then joined my vote on delta, but he kept saying im scummy and that he wasnt baiting

I can explain why a wolf would write this post

Id need help to explain a town acting like this

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:19 pm That IS an egregious, and surface-level needless, bus on a teammate. He never even got cred for it either, since Guillo never died!

@DrWilgy this situation does seem almost identical.

Yeah, and if we ignore Wilgy's vote in ilario, what Wigy has done this game is:

-push that both Long Con and PSV need to be resolved
-push tutuu

Apart from those 3 towns he tried to kill with arguments, he:

-Nakedly hopped on my Delta wagon d2, but then tried to discourage people from joining

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:51 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:35 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 4:47 pm Vote delta for a free win ᕙ(▀̿ĺ̯▀̿ ̿)ᕗ

Vote delta for a free win ᕙ(▀̿ĺ̯▀̿ ̿)ᕗ

Vote delta for a free win ᕙ(▀̿ĺ̯▀̿ ̿)ᕗ

Vote delta for a free win ᕙ(▀̿ĺ̯▀̿ ̿)ᕗ

Vote delta for a free win ᕙ(▀̿ĺ̯▀̿ ̿)ᕗ

Ok if this’ll make clock out faster

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

He also said that im flinging bullshit due to me voting Delta

-Hopped on ilario with afaik no prior scumread on ilario

Wilgy is a corrupt politician who is prone to egregious busses and abusing his TMI to try to make himself look good (towny)

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:43 pm Votes on me are stagnant

Votes on a wolf that claimed 3p to survive aren't stagnant, we are doing our job and we are doing it well, please don't let this wolf demoralize and manipulate you

We are doing great guys

Ignore delta please

That is an

1) overly convoluted claim, which doesnt fit Jay's design in comparison to the other very simple roles - VTs, goon, mason, role that puts a vote on player

2) 3p survivor Delta has no reason not to claim at the start of the game

Entertaining his antics is just distracting. He's not town, he claimed it himself. We don't care about non-town

I think more productive use of time is to discuss the other wolf

Does anyone have disagreements with my Wilgy case?

May we talk about Wilgy please? Or Alexy and Like Coke that's fine too

Alexy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:27 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:22 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:09 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:07 pm Looks liek Jack and DM were masons. That makes a lot more sense. I found it wild for Jack to be a cop, would have been broken

I'm not sure I understand this logic. DM = DarlingMonroe?

(I easily could have just skimmed past whatever would have made this make sense but it stuck out to me so I wanted to clarify)

Dm and jack were masons as per jacks flip

I don't see that but I might just be stupid

Pat pat

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:24 pm Alexy seems like obv town. It really is just wilgy

@Long Con did you check my case?

Alexy seems like obv town. It really is just wilgy

Alexy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:50 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:36 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:21 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:09 am

Alexy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:34 am hi

I had a crappy weekend and apologize for my inactivity

I haven't read to catch up yet but wanted to check in and also say that I got one of those one additional votes placed on me this phase which I think tutu had a couple days ago

Looks like it comes from PSV

Vote for PSV, get a vote on yourself?

I think she just used it on her scumreads

Did she say she has that ability, or is it just an assumption? Her priority list was Delta > me > Lime coke .. shouldn't she have put the extra vote on Delta then? Or, are enough people suspicious of Delta such that it might be a waste?

Its not that important

Alexy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:09 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:07 pm Looks liek Jack and DM were masons. That makes a lot more sense. I found it wild for Jack to be a cop, would have been broken

I'm not sure I understand this logic. DM = DarlingMonroe?

(I easily could have just skimmed past whatever would have made this make sense but it stuck out to me so I wanted to clarify)

Dm and jack were masons as per jacks flip

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:21 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:09 am

Alexy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:34 am hi

I had a crappy weekend and apologize for my inactivity

I haven't read to catch up yet but wanted to check in and also say that I got one of those one additional votes placed on me this phase which I think tutu had a couple days ago

Looks like it comes from PSV

Vote for PSV, get a vote on yourself?

I think she just used it on her scumreads

Alexy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:34 am hi

I had a crappy weekend and apologize for my inactivity

I haven't read to catch up yet but wanted to check in and also say that I got one of those one additional votes placed on me this phase which I think tutu had a couple days ago

Looks like it comes from PSV

I don't realistically expect anyone to unvote Delta over this but still just to be safe - please don't. There are are about a million reasons to chop him, so just kill him

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:15 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:01 am we chopped ilario d2. he was tsp's counterpart. they ... also chopped tsp? and he was also wolf?

We don't know he was wolf though, do we?

I think it would be really odd if alignments didn't match. You are told that you are one with your partner when they join you. What happens if you are one with someone who has an opposing win condition?

LARGE spoiler for the show, please dont reference this outside of spoilers for those who wanna watch it!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:02 pm Closing Hours Two have ended. Jackofhearts2005 was retired. He was:

Spoiler: show

You’re a severed employee working at Lumon Industries (town).

You begin the game knowing that [redacted] is also aligned with the town. You may share a separate behind-the-scenes chat space in the Discord Hub provided by the host.

TonyStarkPrime has been removed from the game.

ilario has been removed from the game.

Workday Three is underway. You have 48 hours to vote someone out.

Spoiler: show

@Alexy
@Cape90
@DarlingMonroe
@Delta
@DrWilgy
@Lime Coke
@Long Con
@potentialsheltervet
@Scotty
@tutuu

this is extremely trippy though

we chopped ilario d2. he was tsp's counterpart. they ... also chopped tsp? and he was also wolf?

like ... what's the coincidence?

is this not uncanny?

i feel like jay is either messing with us, or this is such a wild coincidence that the n1 kill and d2 chop matched between the two games. cool stuff either way

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 11:49 pm I also thought that Delta looked bad when reading through Ilario's posts. Comparatively lime Coke looked like someone. Ilario was pocketing and Delta looked like a Wolf partner.

fine

you townread lime coke, porscha had lime coke as lock town

i will listen

delta > wilgy > alexy for me now

i might need to fight tooth and nail to convince wilgy is wolf tomorrow, but what must be done must be done

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 11:46 pm this post and the last were extremely performative. When a player makes subtle excuse posts solely to say ‘I’ll be looking at this later’ is a big ole red flag, which I said as

this was really performative too

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:16 pm eh

I feel like I've not achieved as much as I wanted to with this day but I'm exhausted so I'm just gonna get some notes down, maybe a checklist for night/sod3 and then go to sleep \o/

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 11:41 pm Why are you @ing me

I’m already a fly on the poop

right

i just ... i dunno. you and lc were the two people itt so i wanted to grab your attention. i saw you voting delta but i guess i just wanted to really hammer it in. i like things being extra safe and ... uh. not sure of english phrases. "hammered in"

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 11:40 pm I am kinda weirded out that you have this ready to case against Wilgy

i didn't have it pre-prepared, i just found the game and quickly wrote all that

i just have a good memory and im fast with working on my computer as i'm a comp sci student

@Scotty Long con is lock town socially, and vote-wise he wasn't acting in self-pres, he moved off psv before psv moved off him. he extended the olive branch first and she followed. he wasn't a cornered wolf desperate to survive, he's just town

socially he's lock town due to emotion, desire to get townread, happyness of killing the wolf. just blatant town. dont worry about him

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:58 pm ilario joined this game specifically for robyn yet completely ignored robyn's lock wolf read on delta

if you like someone enough to join games for them speficially you are bound to respect their reads

there is no reason for ilario to not vote town!delta there, he can easily get away with it

ilario ignoring robyn about delta can mean one thing only

this is an actual case about delta for those who are insistent that we have them

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:59 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:56 pm But Wilgy was KEY and ESSENTIAL in the only Wolf yeet we have. How can you have him so low?? He could have done NOTHING at EoD and let a Villager get eliminated.

He's lock town, tutuu!

LC did you read my case above?

Wilgy has done this exact thing as wolf before, I showed evidence

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:56 pm But Wilgy was KEY and ESSENTIAL in the only Wolf yeet we have. How can you have him so low?? He could have done NOTHING at EoD and let a Villager get eliminated.

He's lock town, tutuu!

LC did you read my case above?

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:13 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:00 pm MacDougall has been removed from the game.

nutella has been removed from the game.

robyn has been removed from the game by the host by request. Please do not publicly discuss or speculate about this one.

Workday Two continues.

Spoiler: show

@Alexy
@Cape90
@DarlingMonroe
@Delta
@DrWilgy
@ilario
@Jackofhearts2005
@Lime Coke
@Long Con
@potentialsheltervet
@Scotty
@tutuu

lol bruh robyn was the reason i joined this since they asked me to

ilario joined this game specifically for robyn yet completely ignored robyn's lock wolf read on delta

if you like someone enough to join games for them speficially you are bound to respect their reads

there is no reason for ilario to not vote town!delta there, he can easily get away with it

ilario ignoring robyn about delta can mean one thing only

@Scotty @Long Con

darlingmonroe

long con
psv

scotty

cape
alexy

lime coke
wilgy
delta

i have lime coke as poe as he was chilling on one of the v/v wagons, he has exhibited this behavior of white knighting my slot before as mafia, and his post count dropped d2

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:44 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:41 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:45 pm I think v/v wagons i dont wanna vote them

i could have voted either you or psv and gotten away with it. i stayed on delta who is most likely wolf

That's true, but you wouldn't want to look like you're trying to save Ilario.

if im a wolf yes, im just saying that my actions weren't hurtful for town. i think you're hyperfocusing on the ilario flip, lets take into consideration all slots and flips please. at the very least i hope you dont think im w/w with delta, and i hope that you think its reasonable to flip delta first. jack was also arguing ilario + delta makes sense. if we flip delta and hes mafia i would argue im lock town. if we flip delta and he flips town then i would agree i objectively look bad here and we can proceed further from there, chop me after him if you wish. flipping delta now is just correct, a lot of ppl were advocating for it, delta also was chilling on one of the two v/v wagons. together with lime coke

viewtopic.php?t=2545

In this game wilgy was wolves with guillo

here is what happened EoD1:

viewtopic.php?p=1068080#p1068069

please look at this vote count and follow closely at the vote jumps, day ends a few posts below @Long Con @Scotty

guillo had 3 votes. me(town) had 3 votes. pyxxy(town) had 3 votes. wilgy is voting pyxxy

next vote count its 4-4 between me and guillo. wilgy is still on pyxxy, alone

day ends in a 5-5 tie, with wilgy voting guillo

wilgy could have easily not voted, or voted me, and gotten away with it

he also didnt see zenon's last vote shift to me. or he could have. in either way:

1) wilgy saw zenon voting me. it was 5-4 between me and his scum partner. he chose to tie up his partner

2) wilgy didnt see zenon voting me. he thought it was 4-4 between me and his scum partner. he chose to hammer the nail on his scum partner

wilgy is capable of doing egregious busses as wolf

i wouldn't townread him for voting ilario there

and the reason why i scumread him is because

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:33 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:47 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:46 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:44 pm vote delta
for a
free
win

what kind of black magic is this?

Why are YOU voting me?

It felt that you were being kept at -1 somewhat forcibly while at the same time I mostly tr the players on you.

>>>Between you and psv, I think both may need to resolve.<<<

lc senior and psv are most likely both town so the bolded part is a crime against humanity. he was also trying to kill me. that's 3/3 town. yes he voted ilario and yes he voted delta but his heart wasnt in it. wilgy is an egregious busser

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:45 pm I think v/v wagons i dont wanna vote them

i could have voted either you or psv and gotten away with it. i stayed on delta who is most likely wolf

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:39 pm Oh sorry, you campaigned-by-proxy for robyn

i did not do that

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:49 pm I mean im not stopping u guys, idk how to read ilario.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:28 pm And if Robyn is wrong on ilario, they could also be wrong on delta as scum.

yes but delta is just mafia regardless

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:28 pm I think you’re not as town as you say you are

where did i say that

i did not campaign against an ilario vote, thats all i said