The Syndicate

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:47 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:45 pm dizzy i know ur maf
Wilgy's role reversal, right?

say "I wiww do anything you say pwease don't kiww me"

dizzy i know ur maf

@Syn say "I wiww do anything you say pwease don't kiww me"

@Kylemii say "I wiww do anything you say pwease don't kiww me"

say those words

who do u guys sus

i wanna accept alison's deal she seems not sus

eat* i can EAT EAT EAT it EAT iT

AM I THAT USELESS THAT U'D JUST THROW ME TO THE WOLVES LIKE THAT T_T

SURE I GUESS I CAN THE NIGHT KILL AIMED FOR ALISON THAT'S ABOUT ALL I CAN DO T_T

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:25 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:21 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:21 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:43 pm please choose night actions for tutuu
I promise to campaign against your yeet especially hard if you do so

@Alison
WAII WHAAAAA WHYYYYY
He said already, he wants me to stick around and continue doctoring people.

WOOOOOW KYLE TRUSTS A CLAIMED 3P MORE THAN A PERSON THAT HE PEEKED AS TOWN HIMSELF @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THIS @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:21 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:43 pm please choose night actions for tutuu
I promise to campaign against your yeet especially hard if you do so

@Alison

WAII WHAAAAA WHYYYYY

i laughed

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:59 pm the solution is to adopt an obama 'then perish' meme attitude in all circumstances

LMAOOOOOOO

Night 5:
Wilgy rolecops Michelle; receives role claimed by Dizzy
Master Radish visits Wilgy and makes him visit himself
Tedxtr has a busdrive and he kills MartinGG99
Long Con tracks Ted and claims he saw him swapping himself with Michelle (and visiting Martin)

I cant figure it out lol

Its not possible without knowing the order of operations i think

Thanks

And yea if not mac or nutella than at least jack after he got revived and was confirmed town cop

Unless mafia michelle had to fulfill some kind of condition before she could unlock her role and she couldnt use it to yeet jack

@Michelle can you ask if you are allowed to use ur power to force a no chop please? Just so we know if we can

Ty jpic and everyone else for the effort

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:56 pm imagine being mafia and assigning homework to the town

that really would be hilarious

so all of those three actions happened on the same night? was it night 4 or night 5?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:10 pm @Alison @Dyslexicon @Hyena @Justplayingitcool @Kylemii @Long Con @Michelle @Syn

stuff that need to be clarified, please let me know because i dont remember everything:

1) when was dead nutella put in contact with LC by hyena's role
2) when did kyle steal alison's power in order to offer her a bargain
3) when did wilgy attempt to visit michelle, and was it on the same night MR made wilgy visit himself, and was all of that on the same night ted used his busdrive?
4) did hyena try to put dyachei with nutella in contact during n2?
5) who did hyena try to put in contact with again on n4, n5, n6, n7, and n8?
6) what were all of long con's track targets again, as well as all of his remove-from-poll targets again and on which nights?
7) who were kyle's targets that he stole from using alisons' power on all days, and what did he do with all of those actions?
8) who did master radish use his self-redirect on on n4, n5, n6 and n7?
9) what were all of syn's targets from n4 and onwards
10) apart from michelle and jpic claiming ted's songs does anyone else claim them?
11) does anyone except tutuu and kyle claim to have played baseball with sloonei?

@Alison @Dyslexicon @Hyena @Justplayingitcool @Kylemii @Long Con @Michelle @Syn

i am assigning the following to hyena: 1), 4), 5)

the following to kyle: 2), 7)

to long con: 6)

to syn: 9)

i will take: 8), and TSP's targets and update everyone's time of death

anyone is free to try to help with 10) and 11) because those arent easy

jpic - can u please double check that 3) was on the same night, and also could u please look into made? can i leave you to write a summary for Made - all actions including him and everything we know about him?

help me dig for these stuff pls @ everyone

to add: the time of death of everyone + TSP's targets + check if Made had any targets and work on answering those questions above

@Alison @Dyslexicon @Hyena @Justplayingitcool @Kylemii @Long Con @Michelle @Syn

stuff that need to be clarified, please let me know because i dont remember everything:

1) when was dead nutella put in contact with LC by hyena's role
2) when did kyle steal alison's power in order to offer her a bargain
3) when did wilgy attempt to visit michelle, and was it on the same night MR made wilgy visit himself, and was all of that on the same night ted used his busdrive?
4) did hyena try to put dyachei with nutella in contact during n2?
5) who did hyena try to put in contact with again on n4, n5, n6, n7, and n8?
6) what were all of long con's track targets again, as well as all of his remove-from-poll targets again and on which nights?
7) who were kyle's targets that he stole from using alisons' power on all days, and what did he do with all of those actions?
8) who did master radish use his self-redirect on on n4, n5, n6 and n7?
9) what were all of syn's targets from n4 and onwards
10) apart from michelle and jpic claiming ted's songs does anyone else claim them?
11) does anyone except tutuu and kyle claim to have played baseball with sloonei?

DEAD:
cat - yeeted d1 - post silencer. put in contact with jackofhearts during d2 by hyena's communicator role

marmot - yeeted d2 - tetris blockhead - long con claims to have played tetris on d2 so allegedly marmot visited LC n1; LC claimed to have lost because he did not receive his RB

nanook - killed n3 - mafia goon with no abilities. shot by kyle n3 using tim's vig shot. visited by syn who attempted to use jack's cop on him n3

Sloonei - baseball role - silenced d2 by syn. on night (i forgot which one) got outed by jack

tedxtr - sends songs to a person and nullifies their vote. michelle claims song n1. jpic claims song n2. any other claims?

112 - hypnotoad, was visited n2 by MR

dyachei - killed n1 - vengeful. attempted to be put in contact with (nutella?) during d3 by hyena's role, allegedly they were afk

mac - killed n2 - neighbourizer - targeted nutella at (some point?); nutella claims to have had BTSC with mac during d2 and n3; i think he was 1-shot. put in contact with timsup2nothing during d4 by hyena's role. She was put in contact with LC in a later date (clarify)

falcon - killed n3 - negative utility umm vanilla town - presumably dead because ran out of spiders. was peeked by kyle n1 and jailkept by martin n1

nutella - self-sacrificing martyr that can revive a dead player. used ability on n3 to revive jack succesfully. she was targeted by the jailkeeper martin n3 and allegedly by dizzy aswell. was in neighbourhood with mac. later with LC

DrWilgy - weird ass role, visited michelle on (when?). role-cop esque role. received the result of a 1-shot uber protetor.

JackofHearts2005 - some kind of cop that forces target to quote. holstered on all nights; thought his role is funny words. used action on Sloonei and TSP and MR i forgot on exact nights but they're all dead. modkilled on (when was it again? coz presuambly TSP was supposd to be modkilled coz he iddnt quote properly, so mafia tried to kill jack the nght before the modkill supposedly)

Made - oh god. uh. i dunno man. he could have redirected someone but fuck me.

Master Radishes - redirector that makes his target target himself. n1 - nanook to presumably no effect. n2 - 112 to some effect. n3 - hollowkatt to no effect according to hkat. has won a roleblock by syn's tetris, he used it to roleblock tim on n6. i forgot his other actions what were they?

MartinGG99 - standard jailkeeper (protect from nk and roleblock). n1 falcon. n2 JPIC. n3 nutella. he was told his roleblock only on nutella failed

hollowkatt - passive role that has self-defensive properties and that can't be disrupted. MR claims to have disrupted his target on n3. hollowkatt claims that he received no notification. tracked to nowhere on some night

Timsup2nothin - n3 vig. shot tutuu on n3. shot failed due to kyle sealing it. n6 tried to shoot MR. shot failed due to MR blocking it. lol

TonyStarkPrime - doctor. protected ... (i will check). presumably modkilled coz he didnt quote joe pesci properly, and jack along with him

LIVING:

Alison - claims 3p gambit demon. chooses a target at day, they converse during night and accept or reject, at the end of the following day the deal is sealed and on the following night target can use action.
n1 long con tracker effective as of n2
n2 kyle steal-power-for-1-night-of-person-u-voted effective as of n3
n3 falcon protective effective as of n4
n4 tedxtr busdriver
n5 made post restriction
n6 was this when she couldnt because kyle stole her ability?
n7 dizzy roleblocker
n8 tutuu silencer, also doctor'ed dizzy

(need clarification - when did kyle stole her ability). i remember she accepted becoming a doctor and she protected dizzy n8

Dyslexicon - claims to have protected nutella during n3. 1-shot protector from all, wilgy saw this role exists. accepted alison's deal and became a roleblocker effective as of n8, which he used on JPIC. he also rolecopped michelle on n8, which he recived from syn on n7.

Hyena - a role that lets a dead person be in BTSC with living person. n1 - cat with jack (confirmed by jack). n2 - dyachei with (i forgot who, nutella?). n3 - mac with tim (confirmed by tim). tracked by long con during n3 and seen visiting tim and mac. need clarifiaction on his other targets i forgot them

JustPlayingitcool - makes a bet on top wagon over/under - reward is double voter or 0 voter. claims to have received ted's song on n2. tracked by LC on (which night?) and seen visiting noone. roleblocked by dizzy on n8.

Kylemii - claimed that he needed to be silenced during d2 to power himself up. he needed to complete a bunch of tasks that included that, as well as not receiving votes and some other stuff. he peeked: n1 falcon, n2 LC, n3 tutuu, n4 ted. on n4 he got a "ding ding ding bell" telling him that he has successfully peeked both at least 1 town and at least 1 mafai. also used alison's power steal to steal tim's shot on n3 and use it to shoot nanook. played baseball on day 3 (so targeted n2) and hit the ball. who were his other steal targets and what did he do with those? on all days?

Long Con - removes people from the poll. claims to have played tetris on d2. n2 forgot to submit track and it was allegedly stolen by marmot anyway. n3 tracked hyena and saw him visiting mac and tim. has a bunch of tracks and removes, i dont remember them all by heart

Michelle - 1-shot governor (she chooses the chop). removed from poll n1. claims to have received ted's song n1. on day (i forgot) kyle tried to steal her role and he saw nothing

Syn - backup of the yeet. n1 uset cat's silencer to silence sloonei. n2 used marmot's tetris to play vs MR, scored 0 on purpose. n3 used jack's alignment cop on i think nanook? what were his other targets

tutuu - tie decidor. allegedly targeted by sloonei to play baseball n1. removed from poll at some point. tracked to nowhere during n8 and removed from poll n8.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:35 pm 7 mafia + 2 3ps seems like a bit much in a 27 person game

they'd have no power and town has had a ton of power so i'd be fine with it

and i even messed up already i missed a few combinations T_T

alison
dizzy
hyena
jpic
kylemii
long con
michelle
syn
tutuu

i am removing mine and alison's names, and every possible combination of 2 becomes:

dizzy + hyena
dizzy + jpic
dizzy + kyle
dizzy + long con
dizzy + michelle
dizzy + syn
hyena + jpic
hyena + kyle
hyena + long con
hyena + michelle
hyena + syn
jpic + kyle
jpic + long con
jpic + michelle
jpic + syn
kyle + long con
kyle + michelle
kyle + syn
michelle + syn

i think im then supposed to like. go over the mech again and see if there are any changes for any combination. but. a bit later. thats a bunch of effort. maybe its time to revive the mech list. will need a lot of help with that one

i dunno why dizzy roleblocked jpic instead of syn. why? @Dyslexicon

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:25 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:20 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:18 pm Dizzy very likely town from my PoV due to the roleblock and tightening the PoE
Dizzy was publicly known to be a roleblocker. He had to roleblock someone. It doesn't matter anyway since Michelle's claim can be tested.
Wouldn't it have made more sense if dizzy roleblocked you and killed LC?

he gets redirected and roleblocks himself i think? i dunno (if that, or if he would have gotten redirected to the previous bargainee - the dead made)

michelle cant be the 1-shot night protector though (the role wilgy peeked)

because kyle would have saw it when he stole from michelle, and he didnt

so i dunno.

is it just syn?

or there is a team of 2 mafia members thats screwing up the authenticity of the mech

wait

even if we agree to No Chop

we can force michelle to redirect it to No Chop

right?

so we should always vote michelle and have her confirm her power?

if her power is confirmed i think shes always town

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:46 pm Michelle didn't have anything to steal

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:15 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:13 pm i also thought that dizzy + michelle team mechanically can make sense, it would explain wilgy getting dizzy's role from michelle (michelle could be the mafia 1-shot protector) and dizzy could be whatever role. dizzy could have manufactured that fake claim for michelle coz its super towny and michelle gets away with it
Michelle's role can be proven.

We assume Michelle is town and select an exe based on that. Then we vote Michelle, and if Michelle is mafia she dies. If she's town she redirects the exe to whoever we selected.

yea. we could try that today with syn if we decide to not not chop

when did kyle try to steal michelle's role did he really receive nothing? let me check

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:11 pm Michelle can in theory be scum with Dizzy, she has some other role and they conspired to make it seem like she has a role that a scum would have used long ago. What is our mech on Dizzy?

dizzy claims a 1-shot protector from all. we know this role exists coz wilgy peeked michelle and received this role

it was allegedly used on nutella on n3. martin is a jailkeeper (standard variation) who was notifeid that his roleblocked on nutella n3 failed, but his protection didnt fail

no other mech on dizzy afaik

i also thought that dizzy + michelle team mechanically can make sense, it would explain wilgy getting dizzy's role from michelle (michelle could be the mafia 1-shot protector) and dizzy could be whatever role. dizzy could have manufactured that fake claim for michelle coz its super towny and michelle gets away with it

i didnt ask for this fucking situation why do i have to be the sole decider and it falls on me to decide between one person thinking ive made a dick move if it goes wrong and they get screwed over and the whole town thinking ive made a dick move if it ends up being wrong and we all lose and get screwed over. why dont i make every single one of you lose wouldnt that be the most fair

this is why i hate 3ps i abhor kingmaker-esque situations like this where win conditions can be dubious and its up to people to bargain and plea about giving the win to who or what and stuff

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:01 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:58 am @Alison if i accept ur bargain today and we yeet non-bargainee mafia today we all win

so help us find the mafia and i accept ur bargain?
i don't think you should accept as power is useless

the power doesnt matter? its about whether we trust alison and increase her chance to win or we distrust alison and decrease her chance to win

didnt u just say u trust alison

@Alison if i accept ur bargain today and we yeet non-bargainee mafia today we all win

so help us find the mafia and i accept ur bargain?

SYNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN WAS IT YOU ALL ALONG????? I KNEW IT WAS YOU @Syn

and its NOT ME

who is it?

i suggest we all close our eyes and whoever is the evil doer to raise their hand. we will close our eyes so they are incentivized to raise their hand coz they will be safe.

at least 1 person AMONG US is LYING cuz ppl are DYING

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:39 am i believe alison, sue me

then whos evil lol

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:36 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:35 am kyle can u steal michelle's power coz i think she's gonna use it on me tomorrow
kyle has already tried stealing michelle's power

wot? it didnt work? why not? when did he try?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:36 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:30 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:29 amnope, I don't think so

Oh, I thought he was, but I can't keep track. In that case, Alison still makes some sense here. And then it also makes sense HK with a useless power died in front of me and LC.
This argument is bad.

Mafia has strong incentive not to kill off my bargainees because I said I was protecting them. Mafia has strong incentive not to piss me off because there's a decent chance I'll be a kingmaker during F3 if they survive that long. You're also assuming that I'll only target non-bargainees if I inherited the mafia kill (which is not a mechanic I've ever seen on the syndicate btw, and didn't happen in radiohead, shadow corridors where the original Gambit Demon occurred, etc.). If I was a hostile 3P here it would make more sense to kill off investigatives even if they're bargainees, because then the rest of the town has no way to get mech info on each other and will eat themselves until I win anyway.

thats only if ur a hostile 3p with the "last woman standing" wincon

if ur a hostile 3p that said the truth about ur wincon then ur incentivized to kill non-bargainees and win the game today/tomorrow

kyle can u steal michelle's power coz i think she's gonna use it on me tomorrow

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:29 am Wilgy's role made Tutu's role look green to her when she opened it before the game started, but she is actually mafia and Michelle knows this because Michelle is psychic.

LOL

i mean to be honest

fair enough

that is a possibility

by optimize i mean - make myself look better after those players flip

if i was mafia i could have optimized any of the scum yeets better but i didnt so im town unless im mafia who purposely didnt optimize any of them for the sole purpose of making this argument now to try to acquire townreads

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:19 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:15 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:12 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:11 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:10 am I am extremely upset that Kyle desconsidered the convo we had yday with LC when he said he will not take anyone from the poll. Stealing LCs ability and use it is antitown.
Taking exactly tutuu who was a CFD attempt from HK looks very bad especially after HKs flip.
Why died HK?
Why let mafia Kyle to help town so much? Something is not right
LC said he wasn't going to use it but did it anyway
LC didn't use it, Kyle used it on tutuu today after stealing it
LC claimed he used it on dizzy at the start of the day. obvs we know kyle stole it, but the intent was still there
I see.

My question stays, why is not mafia killing Kyle, who is constantly helping town apparently, and is not protected since forever? Why HK?

presumably because alison is the one making the kills and she is leaving kyle and LC and dizzy alive because they are bargainees to fulfill her wincon and out of the people who aren't bargainees she decided hollowkat was the hardest to mischop

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