The Syndicate

i love it when people do shit like that in thread. it's my favorite

nut, it's because i read you town rn. your bad tunnel on me just makes me believe it more

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:04 pm it's time for wagon purity reads with nutella

[VOTE: dya] aubergine

if only you had conviction for literally anything else

[VOTE: c4] aubergine

I think c4 started off looking villagery with his posts looking nothing like cov where he was a wolf. There wasnt the same amount of conniving. Come to think of it, I dont know what his read on vulgard was, do you know, NL? Anyway, his posts have had almost zero solving, just telling me I'm a wolf since then. I happen to know I'm not a wolf, so his push looks really bad to me, personally.

spf I think has deep wolf capabilities in this game. Vulgard went out of his way to defend her and his read of her is really kind of bland compared to other reads. I don't have it in me to look over spf's posts again because they tend to be walls. her case has also been "dya's a wolf" without doing much else, but she looks better than c4. there was 1 post in vulgard's iso I thought looked good for her because it seemed more genuine.

Dizzy I'm looking at on the day of the claim from sunbae. I think his reaction to the claim is hard to fake and if he had been vulgard's bro, i think there would have been more dejectedness no excitement at figuring out an interaction.

I think I read enough of spf that could be wolfy from vulgard's ISO. she's in my poe. I have a hard time with dizzy because of the way he treated the marl thing. I think he's just town.

I don't know how to read arete

I still think it's syn. But after that is probably c4

I mean, i have when i've posted them, but no one seems to read them, marl

but Im heading out of my poe now

maybe dizzy, maybe arete

Arete wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:08 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:04 pm I still think it's syn/c4. if it's not c4, it might be you
what if it's not Syn (but is c4)

or do you think Syn is ~lock wolf

i think there's a very high likelihood of it being syn

I'd be shocked if he's not a wolf

I still think it's syn/c4. if it's not c4, it might be you

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:55 pm that's true, dya, but you immediately followed it up with this post:

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:06 pm ugh then he starts treating spf like a villager
which implied to me that you came out of vulgard's interactions w/me feeling lukewarm/uncertain of yourself, which is probably the positioning that a wolf who wanted to keep me in the POE would have, no?

If I were a wolf and there were people already suspecting you I would have pushed you today

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:50 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:23 pm can you post a readslist spf?
amy - clear

arete - i actually have been pondering the theory that arete/vulgard are teamed quite a lot within the last ~24 hours or so. the fact that arete's townread on vulgard was initially predicted on the idea that vulgar did something that he would "NEVER" do as mafia made me wonder if the two of them worked together to take advantage of their meta on each other. the way that arete reacted to vulgard's claim and their slow spiral into acceptance of vulgard being a wolf makes me lean on this world being more likely than not

bronana - i like your progression on vulgard and arete. i felt like i could easily track how your perception of the dynamic between them shifted as each day went on - you decided to blindly trust them on d1, and then you showed more skepticism on d2 (going as far as to put them in their own separate tiers), and your reaction to vulgard being guiltied on d3 felt like a natural buildup of the concern that you've had about the dynamic since d2 (this is also something that i've noticed reflected in your treatment of arete today). i think your progression on KZA is fine. i would lean on you being a villager

c4 - starting to think that c4 could be a wolf and that i'm just sipping on Dumb B*tch Juice, because his posts today have been underwhelming even if i've felt that they weren't "optimal" posts for c4 to make in this position as a wolf. i'm wondering if he's deflated because he knows that his team is about to lose. upper end of my POE

dyachei - i think they're a wolf, and if we live in a world where they're a villager, i need to find out sooner than later for my own clarity. their push on alison consistently felt like it was represented with the intention to make alison look bad moreso than an authentic suspicion toward alison. their analysis has felt more like a wolf throwing stuff at the wall moreso than a villager gradually putting the pieces together - i can't help but continue to think of the exchange i had with dyachei earlier in the day where they shaded me by saying that vulgard had "finally" given me a mention in his ISO, even though the post that dyachei was referencing was vulgard's 10th post in the game, and even though vulgard had mentioned me 15 times up until that point. it's a point that i said i wouldn't harp on too much, but it reminds me overall of how dyachei's solving in this game has felt fairly "stuck" and inauthentic to me. i'll feel bad if they're a villager but i think they're most likely a wolf

dyslexicon - him bringing up the possibility of vulgard/dya being teamed looks mildly good for him now, but it looks even better in a world where dyachei is a wolf. his progression on KZA is one that's fairly unlikely for wolf!dizzy to take, IMO. his posting has generally been villagery even though nothing has really blown me away

marluxion - i think that marl is spewed town by vulgard a thousand times over. i'm gonna laugh so hard if the two of them are wolves together. marluxion made a point of trying to "work with" vulgard so many times throughout his ISO, and it really felt like vulgard was exploiting their dynamic to manipulate him and pocket him

nutella - i still think that nutella is a villager, although i'm lacking in the clearing interactions from either of the flipped wolves that i was hoping would ~definitively~ clear her. she's playing the most tonally pure game i have ever seen from her if she is a wolf, and her reads have been bouncing back and forth so rapidly in a way that i know nutella struggles to replicate as a wolf (particularly, the way that nutella got paranoid of me, and then gradually talked herself into wolfreading over the course of a few hours is the kind of silent, mostly internal progression that i think is indicative of nutella genuinely trying to solve)

outed wolf: there's apparently a strong consensus that outed wolf can not be partnered with vulgard, but i honestly haven't gotten there yet. i still think he's more likely to be a villager than not, largely because i trust sunbae to have read him more correctly than i will, and he's had a bunch of micro moments that i've found villagery even if holistically i dont feel they add up to much

syn: townread on dyachei doesn't make any sense. wolfread on outed wolf doesn't make very much sense either. feels both deflated and attached and entirely too confident for someone in that type of position. i've been circling back and forth about whether or not his "final" posts before he got super deflated are villagery or not, but his overall perspective doesn't make sense to me, and chloe/tan both had some interactions with vulgard that pinged me a bit

clearly leaving out i found posts that looked good for you, too

Marluxion wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:30 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:55 am I feel like Im wasting my time looking at vulgard's iso...which i think only arete is also doing?
have not looked at his iso yet, i'm focused on the neighborhood for now since only i can see it

this is fair. i meant like everyone else - they've all made up their mind on me

I feel like Im wasting my time looking at vulgard's iso...which i think only arete is also doing?

I've stopped for tonight, i stopped getting anything out of my reading

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:56 pm c4e5g3d5:

- Asks for ways to read Gavial.
- Claims Gavial is plain bad but ignoring him is "low-risk." I have no idea what he means by that.
- Puts Gavial at the bottom of his readlist. ...What? Where is the progression there? There are no other mentions of Gavial in his ISO beforehand, other than the ones I listed above. His top townread is also Sunbae (next to me), but he has absolutely no progression on this townread. He hadn't even said "sunbae town" beforehand in his ISO. I have no idea how he got there.
- Claims that Alison's treatment of Gavial is "irresponsible at best, hard agenda'd at worst" because she's "steering first, evaluating later." Okay, but... I didn't get that impression from her treatment of Gavial whatsoever. How was it agenda'd? She was literally just calling his stuff NAI. Not calling him mafia, not calling him town, but consistently claiming his behavior is NAI. That's not agenda, that's hardlining a nullread, which... I suppose there are some worlds in which you could consider that agenda, but maintaining a nullread on day 1, despite it being on a polarized player, doesn't feel like agenda to me. Maybe we have different ways of approaching the game, but this line of thinking from c4 strikes me as odd. I guess it's possible he's just tunneled, but.
- Implies in the next post about Gavial that he thinks Gavial is just mafia. He underlines the fact Gavial's partners can treat him in any way they want and that it wouldn't be consequential, and also claims there isn't any cred to be found for this pelt. I think this is a towny approach to Gavial, because it comes from the premise of a lack of TMI. I doubt a wolf wastes their time writing a post that says "anyone can be aligned with Gavial, also there's no cred for bussing him" when Gavial is going to flip town, rendering the entire post useless for agenda purposes. It looks more like a villager who genuinely thinks Gavial is a wolf and doesn't want wolves to get cred for bussing him or taking contrarian/surprising stances regarding him.
- Makes a preflip read that Alison is mafia and Dya is town if Gavial is a villager. The read is made based on a post by Gavial where he doesn't want people to push Alison and wants to push Dya. ...I have no idea why he's following Gavial's reads, since the post is basically sheeping Gavial's reads. He showed a mindset implying Gavial is mafia before, so why is he taking Gavial's reads seriously here? From c4's POV, Gavial's reads should be fake. He had just talked about the idea that people shouldn't consider anyone's treatment of Gavial "unaligning," clearly implying that c4 thinks Gavial is mafia. But here, just two posts later, he reads Gavial's posts and thinks "hmm, if town!Gavial doesn't want to push Alison but wants to push Dya, then Alison must be mafia and Dya must be town." It would make more sense if he said "if Gavial w then Alison w dya v," since that would at least be a logical connection given Gavial's post, but the way it is written, it makes no sense to me. I guess it could be a meme, but c4 doesn't treat it as such in any of his following posts and it's not obvious that it's a joke, so I'm taking it seriously. It's a completely wacky post to write if you think Gavial is mafia, which is the POV c4 had presented just two posts ago. It's indicative of c4's view of Gavial being inconsistent in a really weird way.
- Claims he's not going to push on dya unless Gavial flips green. ...But he had previously said that Gavial V = dya V. So how does this follow whatsoever? Also noting the fact he maintains the townreads on me and Sunbae, but never explains either. His only explanation is that we are "just town" which I find lacking.

Overall, c4 has an inconsistent POV on Gavial that leaves me utterly confused. The highlight of it is the post where he claims Gavial V means Alison W Dya V. He never corrects himself on this, never treats it like a joke, doesn't PHRASE it like a joke, so I assume he meant it. And if he meant it, it renders his progression on Gavial inconsistent. He had treated Gavial like a mafia member before that, but then he wrote a post where he took Gavial's reads seriously. It was when mafia!Gavial would be in antispew, and c4, who was apparently wolfreading Gavial very strongly to the point of suspecting Alison based on her treatment of him, should know this.

I don't know how to read that. It's a really weird mistake to make if you're a wolf, but I also don't see the progression if c4 is a villager. If I remove that post from the equation, c4's treatment of Gavial is ~fine, but that one post destabilizes things a bit.

too tired to parse this rn, but here's his c4 read

man he was really hedgy on you zack. he clearly wanted you as a mis-elim

outed wolf wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:38 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:21 pm like just compare that with how whenever vulgard said something i did was towny, he made up some bullshit why he didn't actually townread me
theres a flipside to this lol

i remember vulgard isoing dya and having problems with a whole bunch of things and then saying at the end i think dya is a villager

he cased me as a wolf for most of the game

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:32 am
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:40 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:37 pm
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:32 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:29 pm
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:31 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:29 pm

his godread on me is real and supported by an extensive history of games as both V/V and V/W
much like his extensive history of games with seth eh?
I'm sort of mrrr about how Outed Wolf is trying to discredit townreads on me/reasons to townread me without actually pushing for me to get killed (or even really expressing more than a slight scumread on me)

it kind of feels like he's trying to make sure that I'm a viable push for the future but doesn't want to get his hands dirty pushing me now
LOL

hilarious post - i said i thought you were a villager yesterday, the post is making light of vulgard not you
alright, what was your motivation behind discrediting Vul's reads?
... because he was wrong? he spent like 80 posts yesterday saying how much of a gavial god reader he was and that we couldnt let gavial slip away and we had to kill gavial

with his EXTENSIVE history of catching gavial and hes NEVER BEEN WRONG BEFORE

and he was wrong.

W R O N G
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INCORRECT

NOT RIGHT

so i gave him a bit of shit for it
Okay, I laughed.

I still have no read on Alison.

@c4e5g3d5 You were making these weird a aA or something reads on day 1. I thought your later reads / readlist would make it obvious why you were doing that, but they didn't. What was up with that?

sunbae wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:29 pm I kinda wanna just yeet alison, marl, and nutella into the great sky daddy yee haw
Why Nutella?

Chloe is pretty obviously town. People have called her nervous but this isn't nervous Chloe. Nervous Chloe is wolf Chloe and I'm generally decent at interpreting her posts this way. Her posts read like genuine Chloe who replaced into a town slot and is ready to solve the game. Wolf!Chloe's entrance into the thread would likely be slower, more meticulous, and less aggressive.

Also I'd townread Tangrowth pretty hard. (I'll miss you. Hope you get to resolve whatever- yeah.)

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:15 am i have never seen beta marluxion

my brain does not know what to do
ioagjeaognjlaegjengjagioe

SPF insisting that KZA has only townread actual villagers doesn't sit right with me, even though she hasn't seen my response yet. It's a really bold claim to make about a wolf who's been posting like garbage from the start of the game. It's an implication KZA wasn't in antispew at all and decided to TMI a bunch of villagers despite knowing he would flip quickly. Is his wolfgame demonstrably so terrible that he'd do that? And even if it is, what's stopping his partners from telling him to go into antispew considering he was a consensus scumread and likely wouldn't survive for long?

I'm kinda townreading Dya for their consistent frustration over being scumread, but at the same time I can only mildly townread them for it for so long. This and their Alison scumread they've been repping for a while are the only things I remember Dya doing, while most other players have voiced reads on every other player in the game, done significant analysis, etc.

Finals of Champs! dya was also kinda boxed in (haha, ha) by similar circumstances but I remember them having more takes there?

more on the syn slot red - doesn't really explain the chloe read at all - like there's a read but it's a non read

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:45 pm Reading bronana's ISO.

His early posts look like he's trying to be townread. He's relaxed, charismatic, offers takes that look like he's smiling behind the screen. I can't tell how much he believes in any of them. Timing would indicate "not a lot" (RVS stage) but the fact he's still making them...

I don't know.

This ISO just makes me paranoid. There's nothing outright WRONG or super wolfy I see in it, but Zack gives me the impression of competence. I don't take issue with anything in particular he's said, but I can't bring myself to trust him and call him town. Especially since he shows signs of huge self-awareness.

bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:08 pm goofy thought alert

sunbae immediately reading spf's self-meta wall from offsite but not reading tangy's whole reads wall is because sunbae/tangy are wolves and spf is town

this read is stupid and i debated whether or not to post it, then decided i'd go for it on the off chance someone calls me villagy for it

bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:31 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:23 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:21 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:15 pm wolves are in gavial/dya/hally/arete/alison/kza??? with a side helping of "i haven't done due diligence on visor yet"

marl could also be a wolf but i lean v for now

nobody else activates my fight or flight when i call them town so
possibly

seems a bit too straightforward "yes the wolves are the underwhelming people not posting much" though, I'd wager the actual team is more complex than that

fine as a place to start for day 1/2 though
i mean yes you're right that the names i listed are underwhelming and the names i didn't list aren't, and that does have shades of "too easy"

but i'd rather start in the easy world and run off on a snipe hunt later than do it the other way around, yknow?

gun to head if i were to pick people outside that pool who i haven't quite done diligence on and thus could be fooling me it's probably like. c4 mp7 you

a fine three names for you to bring up, i am somewhat surprised i've gotten such little heat
There's not a TON of that but it does give me pause.

Does anyone have a wolfgame of his I could read and verify? I want to figure out if his approach is different or mostly the same.

compare to the tangy iso. He wants to keep zack in the poe. there wasnt a lot of clearing of tangy at the time, so why did he want tangy to live?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:23 pm I'm finally on my PC and can look at Tangrowth's ISO.

Early on, she seems withdrawn from the game. She hasn't stuck her head out for anyone. She hasn't been involved in a controversial argument. Nothing. She's just been off by the wayside, doing her own solving. She adopted the role of thread moderator in a notable part of her ISO. I don't MIND that, but it's something a wolf can easily do because it doesn't force them to take stances.

A good thing is that her tone has been super friendly, but I'm trying to look past that. This playerlist is stacked, which is why I'm not giving anyone easy townreads/clears. And when I look past her tone, what I see is someone who hasn't taken any notable stances early on. Aside from easy posts like "nutella town," "why is Amy town."

This ends with her readlist and that's why I townread said readlist. Not only is there a read on every player in the game, some of them are very well-reasoned. There are also takes I consider contrarian. For instance, hard town on Dizzy back when nobody knew what to do with them and how to read their attitude. The reads she feel the strongest about have believable-looking reasoning behind them. Dizzy and Nutella reads in particular.

The Dizzy read especially looks like something you wouldn't bother with as a wolf. If Dizzy's your partner and they're inviting people to vote them... Hard shielding doesn't seem like the best of ideas. If Dizzy's town, they're misyeetable if they continue playing like this. In that case, shielding them isn't advisable, either.

I also townread the fact Tangrowth has Dizzy as "strong town" but uses language like:

"the read is subject to volatility"
"light town read"
"not worried even if I should be"
"the read is self-centered'

These parts imply different strengths / qualities of the read. A wolf wouldn't bother. Even if they wanted to fake nuance, they wouldn't decide to make their read so all over the place. It's your fake top townread, just label them as strong town and move on. What Tangrowth does instead is simultaneously express doubt and comfort. This isn't an agenda read, whether whiteknighting or townreading a partner. If the wolf goal was "pocket / defend Dizzy for townpoints," the read wouldn't need to be this way. If the wolf goal was "shield my partner Dizzy," the read STILL wouldn't need to be this way.

The introduction to the readlist also looks very hard to fake from a wolf POV. It goes on about far more things than it needs to. If Tangrowth is a wolf, she decided to produce a high-quality wallpost for no reason. The only suspicion she faced at that point was a weak push from Arete and nobody asked for a readlist.

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:35 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:33 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:26 pm I'm perhaps not going to come close to matching a fair portion of this playlist through sheer reads and/or solving methods. That's not really my strength, especially this early on, and even more so with people I don't know and entering a tense environment with an intimidating playerlist that I felt and feel more so on the outer edges of for the most part. I understand why people are explaining pleasantries as things I do, and I appreciate the kind thoughts that underlie such an association, so thanks, really. It is very important to me that people are having fun, particularly with such an enamored group of players, but I do think I may have been less concerned about the discordance in such a way that it would be easier to find my footing if I had TMI right now, even if I'd still try to put everyone at more ease publicly. As it stands... I just sort of feel like I'm dipping my toes in the pool, trying to get a feel for things, and if that means people are going to be hesitant to town read me because I'm hurling softballs or whatever, that's fine I guess, but I just don't feel like waiting for me to produce is a good way to find me as town. I guess I don't know where I fit in with this town at all yet, and that's not a comforting spot to be in... I like feeling like I have a specific purpose. I realize someone could just say well, make reads, do your own thing, but I am not going to force reads that I don't have (hence the questions), and I don't function well in a corner. I'm not expecting anyone to help me with that, it's my place to try to optimize how I can help win us this game, just musing aloud about it. I'm probably >rand in terms of being a self-oriented person, and I'll try to keep such perspective to a minimum and let you all figure me out or find me however you'd like, but I have a direct responsibility to make myself easier to find from my end too, and I wanted these things said nonetheless because I feel like at least some players will struggle to find me based on what's been said already. Anyway, without further ado, a reads list.
this is SO MANY words and i dont have a GODDAMN clue what it says
????? okay, that's fine I guess. You don't really have to. If it's helpful to someone, great, if not then whatever.
This looks genuine. Genuinely deflated. Doubly so when you consider the context. Nutella had been one of Tangrowth's top townreads, and here she's mistreating Tangrowth. Or rather, doesn't seem to be taking Tangrowth's content very seriously. Instead of wolfreading her for it, or changing her read, Tangrowth just seems sad. ...This isn't a wolf reaction. Because it doesn't look fake. Tangrowth looks genuinely hurt by this post.

I'm not continuing with this ISO, I don't need to. Tangrowth is a villager.

Needless to say, I take back my earlier comment. Her posts didn't leave an impression on me because I didn't really look at them.

tangy case. light shade then the read as a villager for the readslist. I think this is easy to fake as w/w

ugh then he starts treating spf like a villager

bronana wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:05 pm vulgard struck me as the kind of wolf who likes to wax poetic about the alignments of villagers and doesn't talk a ton about his partners

then you should agree I'm not a wolf

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:55 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:03 pm @Vulgard - regarding https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 00#p797367, you need to re-read the beginning of the thread again. a lot of the stuff you said was factually inaccurate and i suspect that it's because you were rushing through the thread in your catch-up. i did not townread hally - i actually threw shade on hally early on, and i'm confused at how you missed that early exchange between us. i think that you're town though, and it's primarily because of your progression on me. if you were a wolf and you wanted to make up a reason to justify your suspicion toward me, there would be a lot of easier avenues to that destination than to pontificate about my meta for a page or two and then conclude that you were incorrect all along. if you wanted to pocket me or get in my good graces, there are also easier ways to do that than the paranoid, uncertain attitude you've shown toward me within the last couple of pages. it comes off like you are genuinely trying to consider my alignment, and that's a feeling that is reflected in most of the posts i've seen from you (ie: your read on hally)
I'll admit one thing here. I thought you townread Hally, because: At first you did question Hally, yes, but then they explained themselves. At that point you went like "fair enough" which I took as a townread. I didn't consider that townread warranted.

Aside from that. Despite you explaining it extensively in this post, I still don't understand how you townread me from your perspective. I made a factually incorrect push on you (from your presented perspective). Your response is to call me town for it because it looks genuine. What separates my push from agenda, especially if I got facts wrong? Don't wolves try to misconstrue the facts as part of their agenda? How can you tell whether I did it on purpose or not?

Basically, this post looks like a pocket/placating attempt to me. And yes, I've just called my push agenda because I'm not sure how SPF concluded I'm V. I'd expect most villagers I push for factually incorrect reasons to think I'm a wolf. Either that, or berate me for flimsy reasoning. I'm used to that as well. I'd expect SPF to wolfread me back or get suspicious of me if she's town.

This treatment feels... off.

SPF don't read:
Spoiler: show
Or maybe I'm not accustomed to being understood and I wolfread it on instinct.

I totally don't want SPF to just be town.

thiws post is kind of a good look for spf

it's just how it felt to me at the time spf

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:01 am I might be demanding too much from Hally, but last time I played with them they 400 posted on day 1 (I know this is a light game). Another key thing is that I was paranoid about them the whole game. I recognized her contributions as towny in a vacuum, but still couldn't shake off the feeling they were W.

This game's completely different. It's less anything specific and more a few niche things. Like the fact Hally isn't building a voltron when I'm told town!Hally is the cooperative archetype. I can't follow their progression on Zack and SPF. It looks like they townread both because the duo scumread nutella for "valid reasons." Hally townreading nutella despite acknowledging those reasons could come from TMI. In a world where Hally's a wolf, their treatment of Zack and SPF is either pocketing or townreading mates. Alternatively, Nutella is the wolf and Hally's defending. It doesn't feel like the reads from these interactions formed naturally. SPF I could buy because there was at least some questioning going on, but Zack gets one for nothing. To say nothing of c4 who Hally slides in there and gives no thoughts about.

I'm checking their ISO and their townreads don't look warranted. Amy and nutella are fine, but Zack/c4/SPF got townreads for no clear reason. Hally questions what SPF's been doing and comes out of it with a townread because... why? Because the way SPF approached her read on nutella? The fact Hally isn't explaining it looks like they're trying to let SPF!town consensus slide in. "If SPF's called town enough times, we can get it." Either a w/w maneuver or a pocket. Either way it doesn't look justified.

In the game I played with Hally, where they were town, I could at least tell how they were reaching conclusions. They were questioning players and forming reads on them that way. There was some level of meandering in those reads, mind-changing, doubt. Here I see confident reads back to back to back and half of them seem to have come from flimsy bases (plural of basis?). I don't mind people giving lots of townreads on principle but the way Hally's doing it isn't believable to me.

Don't ask why I decided to go back to Hally instead of continuing to read SPF's ISO.

I think I called Hally a she instead of a they sometime before in my ISO, sorry if I did.

this is a kind of interesting interaction with spf via his hally read. I know they were using it to sus hally, but I wonder if the reason he was really stuck on the spf read was because they're partnered?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:54 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:50 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:44 am
Arete wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:42 am I'm pretty sure Vul is already out of his wolfrange from his linguistic analysis of SPF but there are a couple points in his posts that are very yikes

right now I would call him like 98 percent town but I should have a more confident read later and this isn't at sheepable territory yet

(for the unfamiliar, Vul and I have highly accurate reads on each other, essentially 100 percent accurate discounting third parties)
Any reads on your end other than the read on Tangrowth?

Currently reading SPF's CoV ISO. If anyone has other wolfgames she played on forum, link them to me, please. I'm trying to verify if I correctly spotted a tell between her village/wolfplay.
a mention of spf finally. nothing really telling here and I wish I remembered arete's read on the syn slot at this time
vulgard mentioned me roughly a dozen times in his first post alone - im confused about the use of the word "finally" here

aside from that one post he hadn't mentioned you much

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:44 am
Arete wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:42 am I'm pretty sure Vul is already out of his wolfrange from his linguistic analysis of SPF but there are a couple points in his posts that are very yikes

right now I would call him like 98 percent town but I should have a more confident read later and this isn't at sheepable territory yet

(for the unfamiliar, Vul and I have highly accurate reads on each other, essentially 100 percent accurate discounting third parties)
Any reads on your end other than the read on Tangrowth?

Currently reading SPF's CoV ISO. If anyone has other wolfgames she played on forum, link them to me, please. I'm trying to verify if I correctly spotted a tell between her village/wolfplay.

a mention of spf finally. nothing really telling here and I wish I remembered arete's read on the syn slot at this time

it's making me question my c4 read

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:38 am c4, dya and KZA are in the "no impressions made" club and I would like them to play the game. I do not townread c4 for a carefully voiced scumread (?) on SPF. That's in any average wolf's wolfrange and I think SPF is too quick to clear them regardless of alignment.

dya and KZA just haven't talked about the game much yet. Dya got offended based on a single accusation if I read that correctly, and KZA 5-posted and dipped.

you really think he sat here and said, let me put 2 teammates into my POE?

how the fuck do you guys have me as a wolf? have you read vulgard's posts?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:41 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:41 pm @nutella I think he pocketed arete and marl, so they shouldn't be wolves. my solve is looking good so far
cool nobody thinks those two people are wolves, they are not in the poe.

how about you look at the poe

you know what? this attitude of yours can fuck off. you asked me to show you why my solve is correct. well, poes are made by ruling people out...which I'm doing by looking at vulgard's posts.

if that's not good enough for you, go suck eggs

@nutella I think he pocketed arete and marl, so they shouldn't be wolves. my solve is looking good so far

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:23 am Marl is a villager. This is the exact part of Sunbae's posting I thought was wolfy because my perspective was opposed. I didn't explicitly say it by bringing up a quote, but Marl zeroes in on that and has my exact initial reaction.

this feels like a pocket attempt. marl not a likely partner with this and the neighborhood chat thing

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:15 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:13 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:12 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:11 pm everyone has made up their mind already. sure feels like it's a guaranteed sure thing
if youre town in this situation you should have a solve
if you read my posts instead of being condescending to me about the rand, you'd know I think it's syn/c4
i know those are your SUSPECTS but you arent trying to convince us it's the SOLVE

I ALREADY DID THE WORK TO SHOW THEY'RE THE SOLVES NUTELLA

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:12 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:11 pm everyone has made up their mind already. sure feels like it's a guaranteed sure thing
if youre town in this situation you should have a solve

if you read my posts instead of being condescending to me about the rand, you'd know I think it's syn/c4

Amy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:09 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:01 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:01 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:54 pm syn thinks that dyachei is a villager. they think so because they don't believe that dyachei would give up and lolcat so easily, and that they'd be more likely to put up a fight as a wolf
fwiw I'm confident that this isn't true, in one of the hydra games (I think hydra game 3?) they were a wolf and spent a while lolcatting and then saying it wasn't wolf-AI

which it might not be, I'm willing to listen to the meta that they would do this as villa, but it's definitely not village indicative
@Amy now's your time to shine
@Arete dya posting cats rly is NAI lol

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:06 pm I should just start posting cats again with how likely I am to be listened to
i mean, right now my biggest issue is that you came into the day defending your catting instead of like... trying to actually solve the game

i get that it's a rough situation for you regardless of alignment, but if you're town it would be rly helpful for you to actually put in the work today. there are other suspects, your flipping isn't a guaranteed sure thing

everyone has made up their mind already. sure feels like it's a guaranteed sure thing

I should just start posting cats again with how likely I am to be listened to

Arete wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:01 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:54 pm syn thinks that dyachei is a villager. they think so because they don't believe that dyachei would give up and lolcat so easily, and that they'd be more likely to put up a fight as a wolf
fwiw I'm confident that this isn't true, in one of the hydra games (I think hydra game 3?) they were a wolf and spent a while lolcatting and then saying it wasn't wolf-AI

which it might not be, I'm willing to listen to the meta that they would do this as villa, but it's definitely not village indicative

@Amy now's your time to shine

Amy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:55 pm dya i'm not voting you because i think your lolcatting was wolf indicative, i'm voting you because i think you're wolfing lol

I was pointing this out for dizzy's use

i lolcat as all alignments

even amy pointed this out

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