The Syndicate

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:53 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:51 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:49 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:47 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:46 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:44 pm lily I don't think you're really evaluating ilario. It seems like you decided to push him wolf and find reasons for it. It's either a confirmation bias or an agenda and that's part of what I'm trying to figure out

I don't see how it can be an agenda unless I'm a wolf and he is the game winning ML. I am definitely evaluating him and have been explaining my thought process through so many posts for the last 200 posts or so

wasn't it you that said if we mis-elim today that it probably is game over?

like how is this ever a real argument from you

did u forget that this was in reference to u accusing me of being a 3p?

how does that make any difference in the math you presented in thread lily? if it's 2-1-4 rn, and we elim one villager then you literally said it would be game over overnight

yes? but my point is you're talking about agenda when a 3p doesn't have an agenda here they would just let whichever side they can win with lead the way and coast

it doesn't make sense to me lol

even a bad 3p should see that it would be faster to win with the wolves here? like are you serious?

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:49 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:47 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:46 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:44 pm lily I don't think you're really evaluating ilario. It seems like you decided to push him wolf and find reasons for it. It's either a confirmation bias or an agenda and that's part of what I'm trying to figure out

I don't see how it can be an agenda unless I'm a wolf and he is the game winning ML. I am definitely evaluating him and have been explaining my thought process through so many posts for the last 200 posts or so

wasn't it you that said if we mis-elim today that it probably is game over?

like how is this ever a real argument from you

did u forget that this was in reference to u accusing me of being a 3p?

how does that make any difference in the math you presented in thread lily? if it's 2-1-4 rn, and we elim one villager then you literally said it would be game over overnight

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:48 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:46 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:44 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:33 pm @Lilypetal
whats ur case on Dya, ignoring Illario
do u think they can be a wolf with anyone else?

i have spent a majority of the last few phases focused on making ppl see how wolfy Ilario is so I don't rly have a case on Dya

I think for mech reasons them being targeted by porscha is really damning but mech is lame

i think they have been less towny than almost everyone in the game. I think it's easy to imagine a team of porscha/belzy/dya. They're way too defensive for how little they've been pushed.

I could iso and properly case if u want but I'm a bit tuckered out rn and today is between me and Ilario anyway

I don't really see anyone being wolves but Ilario and dya. I think everyone else has been towny or done things indicative of them being town. It's really just down to dya/ilario.

I've been pushed literally all game. It's not been a little bit. I've been solidly in the poe day after day. And if not pushed for elim, then continually being told I'm not being towny enough all game and put in the POE to pursue another day. You yourself have done this. that still counts as a push

there's NO evidence that porscha targeted me. None. zip. nada. stop saying it like it's a fact because it isn't unless you know something from being in wolf chat that I don't know

I thought it was fact tbh but I don't have an exact handle on all the mech that went down

I really don't think being poe'd and not pursued for elim is being pushed that hard though.

ok then we have different defintions of being pushed and different tolerances. Hooray, we figured out we're different people

your opinion doesn't invalidate my experience

you also didnt have to hear all game how someone would push you more but I was being too mean.

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:47 pm @dyachei
who would u have bussed day 1, reminder that their is no access to vote progression, and I do not remember anything outside the final VC
I'm town, and I think a fair share of people had no intention of killing Porsche day 1, or even Belzy

porscha. there was a significant wagon on her and I would have gone her over my aro push if I were a wolf. She was the main counter to you until others started looking at aro (after I voted)

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:46 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:44 pm lily I don't think you're really evaluating ilario. It seems like you decided to push him wolf and find reasons for it. It's either a confirmation bias or an agenda and that's part of what I'm trying to figure out

I don't see how it can be an agenda unless I'm a wolf and he is the game winning ML. I am definitely evaluating him and have been explaining my thought process through so many posts for the last 200 posts or so

wasn't it you that said if we mis-elim today that it probably is game over?

like how is this ever a real argument from you

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:44 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:33 pm @Lilypetal
whats ur case on Dya, ignoring Illario
do u think they can be a wolf with anyone else?

i have spent a majority of the last few phases focused on making ppl see how wolfy Ilario is so I don't rly have a case on Dya

I think for mech reasons them being targeted by porscha is really damning but mech is lame

i think they have been less towny than almost everyone in the game. I think it's easy to imagine a team of porscha/belzy/dya. They're way too defensive for how little they've been pushed.

I could iso and properly case if u want but I'm a bit tuckered out rn and today is between me and Ilario anyway

I don't really see anyone being wolves but Ilario and dya. I think everyone else has been towny or done things indicative of them being town. It's really just down to dya/ilario.

I've been pushed literally all game. It's not been a little bit. I've been solidly in the poe day after day. And if not pushed for elim, then continually being told I'm not being towny enough all game and put in the POE to pursue another day. You yourself have done this. that still counts as a push

there's NO evidence that porscha targeted me. None. zip. nada. stop saying it like it's a fact because it isn't unless you know something from being in wolf chat that I don't know

lily I don't think you're really evaluating ilario. It seems like you decided to push him wolf and find reasons for it. It's either a confirmation bias or an agenda and that's part of what I'm trying to figure out

and I certainly wouldn't have fought the alison elim as hard as I did if I were a wolf because she's scary to wolf against

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:41 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:36 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:35 pm looking back at Dya, day 2 where they went back and forth voting Belzy, and Porsche
I think at that point people were already talking about how outted Belzy and Porsche were
I just wish I had any vote progression for day 2, or even just the day end vote

i wanted porscha or belzy over alison the entire time.

but didn't u say u would buss there?
again I wish I had any VCs

I would have bussed d1 is what I said and I would have if I were a wolf. I bus early frequently, including in the game lily and I played together

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:40 pm There is still an unaccounted for KP I believe, so either mafia has a vig, or a 3p is killing
which points to you in most worlds, and killing you will make the game less swingy

since we are at 4/1/2
killing a wolf with the worst case night kill of 1
either places at 3/1/1 or 3/0/1
still a chance of 2 kilsl though, which can but us at 2/1/1, which always leads us to a loss I think

killing 3p here
4/0/2, assuming one might kill puts us at
3/0/2

@dyachei
you said ur ability works in any lylo, or just f3?

any lylo

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:35 pm looking back at Dya, day 2 where they went back and forth voting Belzy, and Porsche
I think at that point people were already talking about how outted Belzy and Porsche were
I just wish I had any vote progression for day 2, or even just the day end vote

i wanted porscha or belzy over alison the entire time.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:29 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:25 pm I'm beginning to think you're 3p. So I'm currently looking into who could be rondo's partner

why am i a 3p why can't i be a wolf or town

you can be, but I really don't think you're town because you're coming across agenda'd to me. You claim to know porscha's game but protected her from elim (yes, I know your reasons, I just don't agree with them). If ilario is town, then he rb'd you and rondo, so you two being wolves together is less likely though still possible with mechanic shenanigans. That leaves you as 3p

By POE it would have to be nanook. I intend on reading nanook and rondo

I'm beginning to think you're 3p. So I'm currently looking into who could be rondo's partner

The game probably ends if we dont get a wolf today. I think the most likely wolf is rondo

This dome between lily and illario has me disappointed in both of them

I guess I'm not playing the game you want me to play but like I play how I want not how others want me to. If you can't see me as town just vote me.out cuz I'm pretty over this game. Then you can tell me in post you'll do better in future games

Telling me to solve when I've been analyzing spew and solving all day is pretty insulting

Also don't think that solving belzy by Elim yesterday was playing into the wolf es hands because Mac didn't count for parity anyway if you read belzys role

Still not a wolf ender

Kind of wish rondo could lie detect that statement

Ender fwiw I can buy lily as 3p I can just also see her as a wolf here

I really wish people would read my posts on belzy spew because millium is saying similar things to me and so is illario and so is lily at points but it feels like my posts are being ignored

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:48 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:47 pm Yeah fk it dya is right, the spew looks good for wisp, im not even a page into belzys iso and I can see that

Honestly idk why you didn't read Porscha's spew and get to this. This is where I was yesterday

you know for someone that thinks im a wolf you agree with an awful lot of my takes

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:42 pm Quick question that may be super stupid:
Why are we sure there's a 3p?

i think they stated in the OP that a 3p exists

can't mis-elim*

right we can mis-elim. which is why i want to vote rondo today

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:35 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:35 pm it feels like we're in an f3 already and I hate f3s

this is effectively lylo if 3p wolfsides

it really depends on their win condition doesnt it?

it feels like we're in an f3 already and I hate f3s

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:25 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:23 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:21 pm I don't know all of his rb targets tbh do you happen to know

he claimed to rb you and rondo last night. the rest are in the thread somewhere. last day he blocked ender

oh as in he got an additional rb from millium's present?

i suppose that's why he widened the poe but I don't understand why he's voting rondo then

yeah

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:21 pm I don't know all of his rb targets tbh do you happen to know

he claimed to rb you and rondo last night. the rest are in the thread somewhere. last day he blocked ender

why are you still alive after shooting a wolf?

why would ilario lie about his rb targets though?

if you're town then rondo has to be a wolf. That's where Im voting today. I need to see another night of actions and think about things before I vote between you and ilario

i'll give you that they seem like a more confident read of ilario but it doesnt seem to be tMI to me. It just reads as slightly stronger. I still think the treatmnt is pretty similar

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:05 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:04 pm they dont explain their vote on millium before voting either

no, they sheeped consensus and said they were just pressuring millium

they said that after the fact!

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:04 pm @dyachei

why is rondo a wolf

literally explained this earlier tonight

they aren't cleared through spew. the use of their claimed power has been suspect

they dont explain their vote on millium before voting either

i still disagree with you on a head to head

again belzy gives reasons for their scumread. Mainly that millium keeps self editing.

also belzy literally asks for people's reads on ilario so your main comparison point seems weak

im reading your case on belzy and illario and you say belzy doesn't give reasons for their ilario push but they do? like several times right in the posts where you say there's no progression. refusing to explain reads for instance.

You have mentioned a few scumreads I scum lean to as well, while some of them are widely townread by others, so I just want discussion on these reads. I mostly wanna know how you read Alison, Ilario and Porscha.

I think this might be a rule of 3 on alison, ilario, and porscha. Like why pick out those three specifically? I doubt 2 of the 3 are wolves

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:39 pm

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:20 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:17 am @Neon @ilario I think you're both town. So stop antagonising each other please. I want Ilario's perspective on the game to be logical and up to date and side questing him atm is annoying.

Wake me up when ilario comes with a real perspective on the game.

this feels like it's not w/w

i still think this shows belzy was trying to get others to join the ilario wagon

im gonna be honest I dont think it will change my mind and it feels like a waste of time

i've read it and i dont agree with you. idk what else to tell you

i dont agree with you and it feels like you either have an agenda or are confbiased into reading it that way

ender
millium
ilario
nanook
lily
rondo

That's villager to wolf

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:35 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:33 pm im just getting frustrated because this game has lasted forever and hasn't been particularly fun for me. But I'm tired of being told that everything makes me a wolf

I am dedicating today to trying to find you if I'm being stupid on you.

Talk to me about your spew takes with quotes and lemme know your worldview?

I think if I can solve you 100% I just win this game tbh

I just read the iso and didnt save the quotes.

I think the way belzy treats millium is as a villager they're trying to mis-elim. They mention him early and often and try to sway people to vote him. They say things like "this needs more attention" and the like. I also think that porscha and belzy both ending on millium when aro was the counter wagon is probably v indicative of millium.

I think the way belzy treats you is trying to pocket you. They make an effort to chat with you often. They try to get on your good side and protect you d1.

I think the way they treat ilario is reminiscent of their treatment of millium. They push him early and often. They vote him multiple days (including past d2 when ilario was a stronger wagon). They try to convince others to vote ilario, too.

im just getting frustrated because this game has lasted forever and hasn't been particularly fun for me. But I'm tired of being told that everything makes me a wolf

it's not unprompted? you literally talked about how belzy talks to me a similar amount as they talk to rondo

it depends on 3p's win condition