The Syndicate

sunbae wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:04 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:56 pm
sunbae wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:50 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:47 pm sunbae hi lets interact before I go to sleep
I had big spooky woof vibes from you on early day one because you never really bit into a wolf read like i know you're good at doing. At one point I even voted you but realized, well, i just dont wanna push you on d1 so whatever let's just cut down the "not really playing" group and worry about the rest later

Then you bit into Alison and like, idk, I feel like Alison seems villagery but everyone else is saying I'm wrong so what to do what to do. It did make me feel better about operation: give it a day though

And you uh, haven't really let up on it. Which I think is pretty decent as a look but I just don't follow it. And I kinda lost who you feel good about in the shuffle too. idk why its harder for me to keep up here than on mu but its been more difficult to organize my thoughts

so can you dumb the alison read down for me so i can follow?
and can you tell me who is clearly a villager?
Alison entered the thread and left it without really interacting, which just isn't normal for her village play. She caught up all over the place and clearly knew stuff that happened later than where she was on catch up, which makes me think someone filled her in on things, because it sure as hell didn't happen in the thread. When she did get down to playing it was to white knight a lhf. THis makes up a wolf picture for me

my top towns are (now) chloe and amy. Amy is like the only one that took my case on alison seriously, so I may be a bit pocketed. Chloe is based on tangy. I liked tangy when she was in the thread and I could follow along with her thought process. I also think c4 is likely to be v
I really appreciate it thanks. Can you like, pinpoint the "knew stuff she shouldn't know yet" thing for me? I usually dig those types of reads.

I'm pretty surprised the thread isn't on a consensus for Outed Wolf being a villager. I mean, I understand he's good but I feel like his sequence to me on day 1 just required a lot of nonsense to be from a wolf. Like he came up with the idea to try and trap/gotcha me, I gave him an answer he could trap/gotcha me, and then he shrugs it off and is just like "eh ill think about that later" and doesn't make a big deal out of it. The idea of wolf-Outed Wolf thinking "Hey, I'ma set a lil trap on why he said things in a certain order, then he'll give me an answer and I'll just shrug and not care and move on with my life so that he thinks it's villagery of me to not care. Also, he'll probs just shrug at the pointless question and that'll get me nowhere but w/e" seems nonsensical to me whereas town-Outed Wolf thinking "oh hey that orders weird, whats up with that? Oh you have a reason? weird, could be a wolf thing but whatever anyways onto something else" just seems like a pretty reasonable train of thought?

I was pretty wavering on Tangy towards eod but part of it might have just been "nothing interesting has happened for 24 hours so maybe theres something hidden!" wheel spinning. Can you explain that one like I'm 5 also?

with tangy it's about thought process and gut feels. SO I can't really explain it better.

I also think visor is light v as of today

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:59 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:56 pm
sunbae wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:50 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:47 pm sunbae hi lets interact before I go to sleep
I had big spooky woof vibes from you on early day one because you never really bit into a wolf read like i know you're good at doing. At one point I even voted you but realized, well, i just dont wanna push you on d1 so whatever let's just cut down the "not really playing" group and worry about the rest later

Then you bit into Alison and like, idk, I feel like Alison seems villagery but everyone else is saying I'm wrong so what to do what to do. It did make me feel better about operation: give it a day though

And you uh, haven't really let up on it. Which I think is pretty decent as a look but I just don't follow it. And I kinda lost who you feel good about in the shuffle too. idk why its harder for me to keep up here than on mu but its been more difficult to organize my thoughts

so can you dumb the alison read down for me so i can follow?
and can you tell me who is clearly a villager?
Alison entered the thread and left it without really interacting, which just isn't normal for her village play. She caught up all over the place and clearly knew stuff that happened later than where she was on catch up, which makes me think someone filled her in on things, because it sure as hell didn't happen in the thread. When she did get down to playing it was to white knight a lhf. THis makes up a wolf picture for me

my top towns are (now) chloe and amy. Amy is like the only one that took my case on alison seriously, so I may be a bit pocketed. Chloe is based on tangy. I liked tangy when she was in the thread and I could follow along with her thought process. I also think c4 is likely to be v
i think these reasons are overall pretty weak. she said that catching up out of order is typical and nai for her, and i have no trouble believing she saw stuff on different pages to respond to

and like i've said before, alison sitting back/not interacting much/having low impact is generally nai for her as well or i guess depends on the game/situation -- like i said in my sod post, there's def an argument to be made that her not impacting eod could come from a wolf just letting the gav chop go through while not really ending on a strong stance (she didn't end on hard whiteknighting gav after all, she kinda waved her hand and said vulgard could be right)

these are the kind of things that I use to read alison becuase I dont think she usually makes major missteps

i think OMGUSing today isn't helping things

Amy wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:58 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:57 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:52 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:50 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:47 pm
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Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:46 pm
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:40 pm

... because he was wrong? he spent like 80 posts yesterday saying how much of a gavial god reader he was and that we couldnt let gavial slip away and we had to kill gavial

with his EXTENSIVE history of catching gavial and hes NEVER BEEN WRONG BEFORE

and he was wrong.

W R O N G
R
O
N
G

INCORRECT

NOT RIGHT

so i gave him a bit of shit for it
this made me laugh

which ?might? be a good look for you, in my experience villagers are funnier than wolves
i-

arete is this a real read
yes!
i say this as someone who is townreading outed wolf but

outed wolf being funny is not alignment indicative

and in fact i would argue this is true of anyone who is at least halfway competent at wolfing

you don't need a town rolecard to crack jokes
both wolves and villagers can make jokes and use humor but jokes made by villagers tend to be funnier
i would really like to roll wolf against you someday, i think

oh no amy thinks she's funny

sunbae wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:50 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:47 pm sunbae hi lets interact before I go to sleep
I had big spooky woof vibes from you on early day one because you never really bit into a wolf read like i know you're good at doing. At one point I even voted you but realized, well, i just dont wanna push you on d1 so whatever let's just cut down the "not really playing" group and worry about the rest later

Then you bit into Alison and like, idk, I feel like Alison seems villagery but everyone else is saying I'm wrong so what to do what to do. It did make me feel better about operation: give it a day though

And you uh, haven't really let up on it. Which I think is pretty decent as a look but I just don't follow it. And I kinda lost who you feel good about in the shuffle too. idk why its harder for me to keep up here than on mu but its been more difficult to organize my thoughts

so can you dumb the alison read down for me so i can follow?
and can you tell me who is clearly a villager?

Alison entered the thread and left it without really interacting, which just isn't normal for her village play. She caught up all over the place and clearly knew stuff that happened later than where she was on catch up, which makes me think someone filled her in on things, because it sure as hell didn't happen in the thread. When she did get down to playing it was to white knight a lhf. THis makes up a wolf picture for me

my top towns are (now) chloe and amy. Amy is like the only one that took my case on alison seriously, so I may be a bit pocketed. Chloe is based on tangy. I liked tangy when she was in the thread and I could follow along with her thought process. I also think c4 is likely to be v

sunbae hi lets interact before I go to sleep

outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:40 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:37 pm
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:32 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:29 pm
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:31 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:29 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:27 pm

is his godread on you as good as his godread on gavial?
his godread on me is real and supported by an extensive history of games as both V/V and V/W
much like his extensive history of games with seth eh?
I'm sort of mrrr about how Outed Wolf is trying to discredit townreads on me/reasons to townread me without actually pushing for me to get killed (or even really expressing more than a slight scumread on me)

it kind of feels like he's trying to make sure that I'm a viable push for the future but doesn't want to get his hands dirty pushing me now
LOL

hilarious post - i said i thought you were a villager yesterday, the post is making light of vulgard not you
alright, what was your motivation behind discrediting Vul's reads?
... because he was wrong? he spent like 80 posts yesterday saying how much of a gavial god reader he was and that we couldnt let gavial slip away and we had to kill gavial

with his EXTENSIVE history of catching gavial and hes NEVER BEEN WRONG BEFORE

and he was wrong.

W R O N G
R
O
N
G

INCORRECT

NOT RIGHT

so i gave him a bit of shit for it

visor just might be v

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:38 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:32 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:31 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:30 pm @c4e5g3d5

you had no response to the fact I didn't actually end on alison. that was part of your case against me. does that change anything for you to realize I was on gav?
Not really, that strengthens it if anything.
how does it strengthen it when it was part of your case i was off wagon?

that makes no fucking sense
My case was that you still wanted Seth D1 Alison D2 because you didn't do anything to sway thread momentum onto Alison there and you were happy to let the Seth shit happen. You ending on Alison only served as an extra point to show you wanted Alison next.

Without that, there's slightly less evidence that you wanted Alison next, but there's still plenty of that in your readlist. What that provides, however, is a hell of a lot more evidence that you wanted to kill Seth first.

i tried getting people on alison all day. are you fucking kidding me?

all I did was try and get people on alison. I didn't have the influence in thread for it

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:31 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:30 pm @c4e5g3d5

you had no response to the fact I didn't actually end on alison. that was part of your case against me. does that change anything for you to realize I was on gav?
Not really, that strengthens it if anything.

how does it strengthen it when it was part of your case i was off wagon?

that makes no fucking sense

@c4e5g3d5

you had no response to the fact I didn't actually end on alison. that was part of your case against me. does that change anything for you to realize I was on gav?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:09 pm I think in this specific state my OMGUSes are a lot more likely to be correct than usual so I would appreciate if people didn't brush it off as "oh she's just OMGUSing".

you're asking me to have reread or remember every post in the game. I've iso'd no one and it's a light game. I don't really intend on isoing people rn

tell me why you were so sure gav was a villager

bronana wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:02 pm I'm not sure why amy and dya have to be aligned with each other at all

because alison is omgusing

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:42 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:35 pm i dont think it would do too much to my read on amy? might make her less confident town?

but her read on you is not why im townreading her
Okay but in that scenario Amy has literally tried to line up the exes of two townies, would you not take that into account at all?

without you pointing out exactly that, no because i didnt notice that. also gav is kind of a special case

i dont think it would do too much to my read on amy? might make her less confident town?

but her read on you is not why im townreading her

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:28 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:27 pm
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:24 pm I'd actually like your read on Amy sunbae (and Zack)

Don't have to give it now if you want, but sometime today
who's read?

Amy is probably my top town

sunbae i have somewhat town vibes on

and zack is in my null pile
Why's Amy your top town?

Also does that change if you know for a fact that I'm town?

some of it is her thought process in thread matching to her meta that i've gathered. Some of it is her snarkiness. mostly it's her approach to the thread

and how would i know for a fact you're town?

bronana wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:58 pm guess you all are puckered out after crafting your overnight walls and bantering with each other right after flips

how am i supposed to keep up my blendy wolf charade if everyone scatters when i arrive smh

what reads do you have rn?

so can we also talk about how alison might have TMI on gav town?

Amy wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:33 pm i have decided i am going to be lazy and call chloe a villager

[VOTE: Marluxion] aubergine

tangy was my other top town, so chloe can be for now

Chloe wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:27 pm why is literally nobody engaging with me on my marl read

this is legit one of the things i said was weird about his slot
and its still happening!!!

am i crazy?

ive gotta go for a bit but like
whatze heck

I dont know how to accurately read a marl

outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:24 pm I'd actually like your read on Amy sunbae (and Zack)

Don't have to give it now if you want, but sometime today

who's read?

Amy is probably my top town

sunbae i have somewhat town vibes on

and zack is in my null pile

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:22 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:21 pm because it's the same sentiment. As in you're aggressively pushing things like this that are NAI
i just mean like

that kind of wording is normal for you, it's not for amy i dont think

and i don't think it's nai given her attitude toward the chop yesterday

its not abnormal for amy

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:19 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:14 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:12 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:07 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:06 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:04 pm

bc i was just slightly surprised at the result and had some reads change and wanted to get them down and cross my fingers i wouldnt die

why does this post make me want to snapvote you lol
???????????
i mean you were driving the "we're always ending on gavial it shouldnt even be a question" train

so

did you not have like

any thoughts to get down after that
nutella have you ever seen me post a SOD wall in my life outside of anni lmao

i did basically 0 overnight reading and think it's kind of silly that doing otherwise is an expectation you have of me

i have thoughts but they're... still mostly pretty jumbled. i'll sort out how i feel about gavial shit in a bit, doing some work stuff
okay

i know you dont tend to write overnight but i still get uneasy feelings that your literal first post at sod was just reacting to people's sod posts instead of...reacting to the flips
i'm sorry that "gg hally" isn't a sufficient reaction to the flips for you

Spoiler: show
honestly gav flipping town doesn't really bother me enough that i felt like commenting on it, tbh. that's probably callous of me. shrug

why does this sound EXACTLY like dya saying "i'm sorry that's a problem for you"

which iirc you specifically townread them for

because it's the same sentiment. As in you're aggressively pushing things like this that are NAI

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

wait not kza, gavial

I actually ended on kza, not alison, just couldn't post about it due to cap

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:35 pm spf sunbae Vulgard 3/3 core
nut prolly threadspewed
Couldn't give fewer shits about dya unless Seth flips green
Couldn't give fewer shits about Hally and Zack unless KZA flips green

Alison
Amy
Arete
Dyslexicon
Marluxion
outed wolf
Tangrowth

Someone gimme their most urgent legacy top townie in that bunch

amy

and with that, I'm done posting so here's a reads list

V
Amy
Tangy

V lean
c4
sunbae
vulgard

dunno what to do with
nutella
hally
zack
visor
dizzy
arete
spf

w lean
gav
kza

w
alison

Amy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:34 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:31 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:30 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:28 pm why does it feel like visor hasn't talked about a bunch of reads but just keeps harping on one read instead?
honestly, i haven't gotten this impression

at the very least he detoured to explore my alignment for a while
2 reads is many more than 1...
i mean he's also expressed other reads, i was just using that as an example lol

i think he's definitely focused on your a Lot but i don't think it's correct to reduce his play today solely to that

certainly feels like it from my pov. and Im used to visor being more...well-rounded in his approach

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:32 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:21 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:21 pm anyone have any burning questions for me before the day ends?
are you gay?
i'm straight!

a shocking twist turn!

Amy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:30 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:28 pm why does it feel like visor hasn't talked about a bunch of reads but just keeps harping on one read instead?
honestly, i haven't gotten this impression

at the very least he detoured to explore my alignment for a while

2 reads is many more than 1...

why does it feel like visor hasn't talked about a bunch of reads but just keeps harping on one read instead?

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:22 pm Caught up
Someone tell me if I actually need to bother developing a KZA read this cycle
Or ever

i mean, I think you'll find his iso short?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:21 pm anyone have any burning questions for me before the day ends?

are you gay?

Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:13 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:11 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:03 pm dizzy is mostly trolling/playing up his contrarianism to stir reactions and amuse himself

there’s some nuggets of seriousness in what he’s saying but he probably hasn’t read most of the thread and is just making a scene because it’s fun

i don’t really know why people are reacting to him as though he’s presenting fully serious, lucid and informed takes on the game
you don't know why people are confused at someone - that has a reputation as a strong player afaik - who is making bizarre posts? really?
i think it’s kind of obvious he hasn’t read and is not being fully serious but i also know him extremely well so my perspective on it is different

I don't really find it obvious at all because he certainly seems like he's read a lot

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

that doesn't screw us so much as leave us with another possible wolf though?

why wouldn't you just move on to a different wolf read if gavial flips v then?

your sentence makes more sense if you meant wolf

Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:38 pm The ultimate downside of voting kza is that if he is town we are completely screwed on where to go next because he's had next to no interactions

if he's town?

Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:33 pm Can uh
Someone tell me how many posts I have in thread and also how to find this information on mobile

78 posts and I have no idea about the 2nd part

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:31 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:27 pm
Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:23 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:06 pm
- I personally find Gavial's approach this game to be closer to his town meta than his scum meta but I don't feel strongly enough about it to fight the yeet there, I just don't really expect it to be a hit. Weh.
- if I'm wrong then I agree with whoever said that Gavial's treatment of Dya is exactly how he treats his partners.

Can you talk about what seths wolf meta even is? Because the impression I got was the opposite from yours. I want to know how you'd define it
If he's town his posts all make me want to hurt something + he usually deathtunnels villagers for sucky reasons

(think like your town meta but 100000 times more annoying and poorly reasoned)

if he's Mafia his posts ... don't do that? and generally feel like a limp noodle? and I guess he isn't doing so much of the 'sucky deathtunnels' but his posts definitely make me hate everything
your description of his meta makes it sound like this is his wolf game so i'm confused why you think it isn't

idk feels like he's tunneling me fmpov

oh the way you stated it made me feel like you had a specific w/v you were talking about, not that you thought it could be either

Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:44 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:36 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:33 pm i retract my townread on dyslexicon
I thought it was weird they retracted their defense of gavial and called him scum

i squinted at that too but i don’t really get why he does it as a wolf

it doesn’t really make sense as w/w to go in hard defending a teammate that you know is going to be caught easily only to then limply wolf read them after they’re pretty much already dead

i could see it more as w/v though, i dunno

i think dizzy’s play this game is generally pretty bizarre

w/v in which direction?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:29 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:00 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:58 pm
Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:56 pm If Hally / SPF / Vulgard / Arete are all town and seth randed wolf i'm gonna feel like a bully in the postgame

that's like a squad of 5 professional wrestlers taking a high schooler's lunch money
kind of like his perspective in this post
not really sure it's AI though
why not?

marl posts like this as both alignments, ime

i think he fakes perspective well

why do you feel so weird to me hally?

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:58 pm
Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:56 pm If Hally / SPF / Vulgard / Arete are all town and seth randed wolf i'm gonna feel like a bully in the postgame

that's like a squad of 5 professional wrestlers taking a high schooler's lunch money
kind of like his perspective in this post

not really sure it's AI though

Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:56 pm If Hally / SPF / Vulgard / Arete are all town and seth randed wolf i'm gonna feel like a bully in the postgame

that's like a squad of 5 professional wrestlers taking a high schooler's lunch money

kind of like his perspective in this post

i dont remember anything kza has posted

probably not a good sign

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:15 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:55 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:47 pm it's super frustrating to finally rand town in a game with visor and zack and have them not even explain their shitty reads on me
this is the post, I could have read into the wording wrong but it sounds kinda like implying they are town
I finally randed town in a game with them in it

it's not implying they're town
but the part about their reads on you kinda is

no it isn't. they have shitty reads on me they havent explained. I don't know if they're real or fake reads. I just know they're shitty

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:59 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:55 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:47 pm it's super frustrating to finally rand town in a game with visor and zack and have them not even explain their shitty reads on me
this is the post, I could have read into the wording wrong but it sounds kinda like implying they are town
I finally randed town in a game with them in it

it's not implying they're town
I know you're probably remembering the recent org game (and maybe also the one before that), but FMPOV the last game we played together (rocks) we *were* v/v, and I've only played one other game since then.

rocks fall didnt count much for me since I died n1

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:55 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:47 pm it's super frustrating to finally rand town in a game with visor and zack and have them not even explain their shitty reads on me
this is the post, I could have read into the wording wrong but it sounds kinda like implying they are town

I finally randed town in a game with them in it

it's not implying they're town

Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:45 pm afaict nobody has a concrete read on zack unless i missed something

i dunno if this means anything, it’s just not what i would expect given who he is and this player list

especially from that visor guy, right?

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