The Syndicate

lily has literally played with me as a wolf before and should be able to see how different this game is lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:37 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:49 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:45 am i personally think lily already has and my own poe would be rondo/neon/wisp, doubt i can get everyone on board so mostly just posting for #thecred
I don't think lily outs her power like that and shoots a teammate as a wolf. It would have been easy to not claim anything like that at all. I also think the way neon has approached her makes them a difference check? Like she kept going on about her tinfoil on lily then just went all in.
Meh i mean

Maybe but also if she did have a slank vig her options were porscha and belzy, if belzy is also mafia her hands are kinda tied yeah

slank vigs aren't usually compulsory though?

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:06 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:56 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:54 am welp then nvm about this exercise LOL, lets just go for belzy
anyways, the team is rondo/wisp/belzy

after reading d1 again i wanna flip rondos slot the most today but ill leave it upto mac
*sip*

Team is Mac/Lily/Ilario

Book it

you can decide if I'm shit posting or not

this is never the team. I don't think mac/ilario can be w/w

rondo came in today, disagreed with ender's case on me. Then did a 180 and voted me in like his next post

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:45 am i personally think lily already has and my own poe would be rondo/neon/wisp, doubt i can get everyone on board so mostly just posting for #thecred

I don't think lily outs her power like that and shoots a teammate as a wolf. It would have been easy to not claim anything like that at all. I also think the way neon has approached her makes them a difference check? Like she kept going on about her tinfoil on lily then just went all in.

just wanted to leave a legacy

town to wolf I think

mac
ilario
millium
nanook
ender
lily
rondo
neon
belzy

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:31 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:24 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:19 am I will say that the root cause of this entire dialogue has been that you townread me while repeatedly insisting my reads are bad without explaining why and it made me feel like you think I'm a dumbass (if town) and when I expressed that you hurt my feelings you then accused me of ate and got real mad that I was upset. Which then actually pissed me off because I felt that you just hand waved away my feelings and accused me of being manipulative instead of addressing it in a friendly way. And then continued to use that perspective to deflect every suspicion I had on you about game related stuff.

But you no doubt see it differently. I hope you see it from my perspective tho.
I have explained why your reads are bad, you just don't care for the explanations. I explained it when I thought alison was town but you ignored those.

I'm not going to address you in a friendly way when you've been treating me like crap all game mac. Maybe consider how your treatment of people makes them react to you because you keep assuming this is everyone else's fault. You've done it to multiple people this game, not just me. You treat me with contempt all game and then say "i feel hurt" it's not going to get you the reaction you want. I'm not going to apologize for playing the game as I see fit, which is basically what you want me to apologize for.

consider also how much you dish out for apparently being very thin skinned. If you can't take it, stop dishing it
I don't like you, you don't like me, that's cool. Moving on.

I didn't have a problem with you before this game. Maybe have a think on that. And why pulling in my "influence" on the mafia community was a fucking bad plan

you don't have to like me. It doesn't bother me if you don't. But you brought this on yourself

as long as you guys actually try to solve the game once I'm gone, I don't care if you eliminate me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:19 am I will say that the root cause of this entire dialogue has been that you townread me while repeatedly insisting my reads are bad without explaining why and it made me feel like you think I'm a dumbass (if town) and when I expressed that you hurt my feelings you then accused me of ate and got real mad that I was upset. Which then actually pissed me off because I felt that you just hand waved away my feelings and accused me of being manipulative instead of addressing it in a friendly way. And then continued to use that perspective to deflect every suspicion I had on you about game related stuff.

But you no doubt see it differently. I hope you see it from my perspective tho.

I have explained why your reads are bad, you just don't care for the explanations. I explained it when I thought alison was town but you ignored those.

I'm not going to address you in a friendly way when you've been treating me like crap all game mac. Maybe consider how your treatment of people makes them react to you because you keep assuming this is everyone else's fault. You've done it to multiple people this game, not just me. You treat me with contempt all game and then say "i feel hurt" it's not going to get you the reaction you want. I'm not going to apologize for playing the game as I see fit, which is basically what you want me to apologize for.

consider also how much you dish out for apparently being very thin skinned. If you can't take it, stop dishing it

whatever, I said I was done and I am. If I survive the day I'll try and post tomorrow

It's only been this game that I've felt strongly about this, mac. So go reread some posts and realize that disagreement isn't mean. But telling someone they are essentially bullying you for it is awful

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:11 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:09 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:07 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:03 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:02 am Rondo is never in any wolfteams with Ilario and Dyachei based on how they both tried to put him in the POE today which means he is probably just town mathematically (also he's towny).

I think the game comes down to figuring out whether Lily or Neon is with Belzy and Dya right now. Or whether it was just Ilario all along and both Lily and neon decided to openwolf to shield someone they both should know how to read.
when I flip town, the last interaction I ever want to have with you is you saying you are sorry for confbiasing me based on your emotional outburst
Not sure I deserve this but go off.
you've been treating me like crap all game. why the fuck would I want to interact with you EVER again?

you deserve more than what I'm putting out here. I've considered exiting the game on multiple occasions because of how you've interacted with me
Seems like only one of us is going to reflect on this and take some personal accountability. Oh well.

I've personally reflected and I hope you will, too. But I was not mean to you in any situation. I disagreed with your reads and you told me I was treating you like a moron. I have no use for playing with someone that wants you to suck up to them

whatever, I'm done

when i flip town, please look closer at lily and neon. I think there's one in there

I still don't see nanook as towny but I havent played much with him so maybe I'm missing something.

Ilario is very likely town, mac is definitely town

it's not a very good case. it's confbiased mac

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:07 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:03 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:02 am Rondo is never in any wolfteams with Ilario and Dyachei based on how they both tried to put him in the POE today which means he is probably just town mathematically (also he's towny).

I think the game comes down to figuring out whether Lily or Neon is with Belzy and Dya right now. Or whether it was just Ilario all along and both Lily and neon decided to openwolf to shield someone they both should know how to read.
when I flip town, the last interaction I ever want to have with you is you saying you are sorry for confbiasing me based on your emotional outburst
Not sure I deserve this but go off.

you've been treating me like crap all game. why the fuck would I want to interact with you EVER again?

you deserve more than what I'm putting out here. I've considered exiting the game on multiple occasions because of how you've interacted with me

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:02 am Rondo is never in any wolfteams with Ilario and Dyachei based on how they both tried to put him in the POE today which means he is probably just town mathematically (also he's towny).

I think the game comes down to figuring out whether Lily or Neon is with Belzy and Dya right now. Or whether it was just Ilario all along and both Lily and neon decided to openwolf to shield someone they both should know how to read.

when I flip town, the last interaction I ever want to have with you is you saying you are sorry for confbiasing me based on your emotional outburst

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:11 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:10 am ender ur case is towny lol, but i think ur just confbiased. compare how dya played d1 to someone like santy, its not all that different imo
Wrong.

Search the ISO of Santy and see how many times Porscha and the wagon is mentioned.

Santy definitely was wrong, but they at least interacted and recognised the Porscha wagon.

Dya straight up ignore's its existence until Alison asks them.

Yes, brcause i dont know them well. I spend time on d1 trying to solve the slots I have more experience with

I also didn't treat mac like he's loverized, I treated him as lock town because he is to me and has been since d1. His alison case just convinced me more

but go ahead and vote me out today. I'm really over this game

Mac try playing without being emotional about it because you've been treating people like they're out to get you all game

I don't know lily that we'll Mac. Why would I focus on her?

Mac just wants you to be right because he thinks I'm trying to treat him like a moron

Once again en Der you sussed me in constellations and were wrong there.

I'm still not a wolf but you can vote me if you want to lose the game faster.

I focused d1 on people I know. You'll note that I read Mac that day too

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:54 pm
Millium wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:30 pm at this point

Mac
Illario

Nanook
Rondo

that's where I want the wolves to be lmao
Is this calling Mac a wolf?

no mac asked for 2 top villagers and 2 top wolves

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:25 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:24 pm im not confident in my mafia reads after belzy. but probably rondo/ender

I think neon and lily are...idk how to put this. too egocentric to be wolves?
Did you know Rondo and Ender are irl personal friends with extensive irl mafia experience together?

no, i did not know that

im not confident in my mafia reads after belzy. but probably rondo/ender

I think neon and lily are...idk how to put this. too egocentric to be wolves?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:20 pm top 2 town and top 2 mafia?

ilario and you

belzy and maybe ender?

rondo/ender/porscha/belzy?

i wish i were a wolf because of how this game is playing out but im not

I should probably read ender's iso

im confused as to why they think they can read me when we've played like 2 games together and they didnt get it right

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:08 pm I thought eod was today lol

so you continued to do very little?

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 8:57 pm also i think ender started to push dya after dya claimed their role so i kinda think ender just wants dya to be gone before lylo

i think it started before then but i dont remember exactly

lily it was an objectively bad play to not let us resolve the porscha wagon

ilario can you make an ordered read list for me?

mac
ilario
millium

towncore?

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 8:15 pm I think if the wagons are t v t is always one on Aro and maybe two on Millium but Milliums wagon has been pretty cleared to

porscha and belzy were on millium

that's especially true if belzy is mafia fwiw

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 8:10 pm And everyone on Aro has flipped town so far

i kind of think we're in a millium v world and mafia wanted him to go over more than aro. I expect only 1 wolf on aro's wagon

the way belzy lied to mac in chat probably always makes him a villager. I don't think mac would have outed the claim in thread when he was suspicious if he were a wolf.

@ilario have you posted an ender case? I dont remember

I honestly don't care if mac shoots me. The game will be over sooner and I won't have to keep being told how mean I am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:34 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:23 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:17 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:00 pm i'm just trying to go by what you said in the thread
just seems like every post you make is some stab at me
fmpov it seems like I can't say anything without you getting offended

I'm not making stabs at you. I can't be any clearer than that
every time I speak of or to you I get a rebuke that feels like suspicion but you've come up short of ever actually attempting to chop me or persuade anyone to so I'm not sure what the purpose of the consistent negative attitude towards me is if you don't think I'm mafia
I'm literally not trying to do that though. I think you're town. But I don't trust your reads. You've kept me in the POE day after day. You've said I'm clear if belzy is mafia, but here you are in the same day saying you might shoot me even though you think belzy is mafia. I'm doing my best to understand your reads but if this is how you feel, I really don't need to interact with you anymore
I wouldn't trust my reads either from your vantage point but the way you go about interacting with me is too hostile for my taste. You just make me feel small every time you speak to me. And when I share with you how I'm feeling you don't care at all and say things like "if this is how you feel I don't need to interact with you anymore" which just sucks to read.

Instead of trying to see my perspective and slightly moderate the way you speak to me you just have this "I don't care about your feelings or attempts to appeal to my emotions" mentality that frankly annoys the shit out of me.

interacting with you just makes you think I'm attacking you and makes me frustrated. I'm trying to get rid of the problem entirely. You don't like my methods, whatever. But I'm not going to validate your feelings that I'm attacking you or being sharp with you or however you try to put it because I'm not.

You did AtE and I stand by that. you tried to make me feel guilty for my posts and tried to impact my reads with it.

I'm not going to moderate the way I speak because I haven't been treating you like crap. It's perceived insult when there is none

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:23 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:17 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:00 pm i'm just trying to go by what you said in the thread
just seems like every post you make is some stab at me
fmpov it seems like I can't say anything without you getting offended

I'm not making stabs at you. I can't be any clearer than that
every time I speak of or to you I get a rebuke that feels like suspicion but you've come up short of ever actually attempting to chop me or persuade anyone to so I'm not sure what the purpose of the consistent negative attitude towards me is if you don't think I'm mafia

I'm literally not trying to do that though. I think you're town. But I don't trust your reads. You've kept me in the POE day after day. You've said I'm clear if belzy is mafia, but here you are in the same day saying you might shoot me even though you think belzy is mafia. I'm doing my best to understand your reads but if this is how you feel, I really don't need to interact with you anymore

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:17 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:00 pm i'm just trying to go by what you said in the thread
just seems like every post you make is some stab at me

fmpov it seems like I can't say anything without you getting offended

I'm not making stabs at you. I can't be any clearer than that

i'm just trying to go by what you said in the thread

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:55 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:54 pm
Millium wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:53 pm just thinking about previous night watcher, that would be such a terribly designed role
tracker, I think neon said. And i've seen it before
Yes i have said that... repeatedly

I'm listening fwiw.

Millium wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:53 pm just thinking about previous night watcher, that would be such a terribly designed role

tracker, I think neon said. And i've seen it before

i thought you said I couldnt be a wolf with belzy

so i guess that begs the question, mac. what does your POE look like as of now?

so where do we go if we agree belzy is mafia and mac is shooting them?

im worried if we're wrong on belzy and we let mac shoot, we lose the game though

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