The Syndicate

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:47 am I need @protocultures to find a new suspect too

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:34 pm @protocultures Do you really think Mac/Nanook is the team???

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:11 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:47 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:32 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:32 pm I mean a bunch of people voting TSP.

I don't really see it.

@protocultures What did you mean with this post? Your previous post was from 3 hours ago and then you just disappeared

I didnt scumread TSP. A lot of other were scumreading TSP. What do you mean?

hmn ok I wasn't sure what you meant by "I mean"
It feels a lot like a pre "I told you so" post

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:35 pm Hi all. I've exed wrong twice in a row the past two days and repeatedly not been nightkilled. I am therefore throwing out most of my readslist and starting from scratch. The only reads I will be keeping are my towncore, which I am relying on to help me solve the game. You could make an argument that maybe I haven't been shot because there's a wolf in my core, but I don't think wolves would shoot me even if wolves are outside my towncore.

Here are some compelling reasons to view me as town. Every nightkill has been made on someone who townreads me. nutella, tutuu and Amy all plainly stated that they simply thought I was town based on play. Therefore, if I am mafia, I would have made the decision to consecutively shoot people who had townreads on me.

This is unlikely for the obvious reason (as scum I want to keep my allies alive), but it is doubly unlikely when you consider the gamestate reasons. If I am scum and the D1 wagon was W/W, then I surely would intend to garner as much towncred as I could off being the counterwagon to 112, and try to compensate for our lack of numbers by going deep. Therefore it would be unlikely for me to repeatedly shoot people that considered me town if my strategy was to try to get as much towncred as possible and establish myself as a deepwolf.

I'm going to catch up on the thread now - I consider this state of affairs to strongly indicate me as town and I would encourage anyone who disagrees with that assessment to speak out now.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:32 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:32 pm I mean a bunch of people voting TSP.

I don't really see it.

@protocultures What did you mean with this post? Your previous post was from 3 hours ago and then you just disappeared

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:05 pm I’m just struggling to see the argument here:

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:50 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:12 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:33 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:46 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:44 pm gotta say Proto is starting to look mighty poo to me

I also find this post incredibly towny

why

Does mafia Mac ever make such a bad and naked push onto billboard town?

Yes.

Let's kill Mac please.

and lord knows townies make bad arguments, but ... you do see what I’m saying about how this absolutely is not valid, right?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:03 pm Proto, does your case on Mac essentially amount to “these players got killed because they thought Mac was bad and he was paranoid and wanted them gone?”

Because, no offense to TSP or Urist (for example) but why should we give a shit what they thought at this point? They dead.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:15 pm @protocultures why Mac over LC, Nanook and I specifically?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:53 pm Nanook’s slanking and Mac and Alison are TMIing me as town and people are still voting me smh

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:14 pm Fine.

POE:
Kill: Carotte

Sort out:
Ted
Nanook

Probably town but hmm:
Proto

Town until I decide otherwise:
Mac
Alison
Tutuu

Actually town:
10k
Colin

And I’m missing a name. They’re probably in the sort out pile

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:17 pm Two of Alison carrot Mac. Proto can be tinfoil. Epi also potential tinfoil but we have to trust he’s town I guess.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:12 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:33 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:46 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:44 pm gotta say Proto is starting to look mighty poo to me

I also find this post incredibly towny

why

Does mafia Mac ever make such a bad and naked push onto billboard town?

Yes.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:31 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:18 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:46 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:10 pm Mac, are you bad?

No I am obvious when I am mafia. Obvious in a "he's mafia but I can't actually get him yeeted" kinda way.

Arbitrarily I think this is what you are

It's pretty obvious to me that you haven't actually earnestly analysed anything in a non surface level way so even if you're town this is a garbage baseless take that'll lose town the game on your back. You know better than to play this way. Your entire tone is sporadic and manic and totally unlike any TSP I've ever seen. I am very clearly my town self. I am nothing like Pyre and Space Invaders, games you played with me. I cannot believe you think this is accurate and now I am even more convinced you are mafia.

Joe. Calm down. I just played a game where I got beaten up by a wolf team I could do nothing about for two weeks. I move back to school this week and have a lot of work to do in preparation. I'm only sporadically around for the thread and I'm only sporadically even on the internet at all, and the entire reason I'm here is to relax. You're right. I haven't earnestly analysed anything in a non surface level way. The one non-this-is-how-this-post-makes-me-feel take I've had is that Amy was in prime position to have bussed and that went nowhere.

I don't think you're very clearly your town self, for what it's worth. Your spurt of energy going into day 2 reminded me of you in day 3 of GOC or day 4? of Fallout, or even late game in that one amrock mash turbo. You were a wolf in all of those games too. I'm not going to try to push you today. I admitted as much in the post you're yelling about. Maybe I'll get around to actually ISOing Carot, or more accurately just trying to wrap my head around if Carot's day 2 feels wolfy or not wrt to how she interacted with me because that's all I remember.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:46 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:10 pm Mac, are you bad?

No I am obvious when I am mafia. Obvious in a "he's mafia but I can't actually get him yeeted" kinda way.

Arbitrarily I think this is what you are

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:33 pm okay so we've got

next two night kills:
tutuu
alison

obvtown:
Colin
10k
proto but I can't remember why


??:
nanook
ted

wolves:
mac?
carot

scheduled misyeet:
drwilgy

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:49 pm I can absolutely believe that Mac is a wolf here though perhaps the late vote doesn't quite work with 112's reactions. More likely Carotte wait didn't I make a read about the gif thing

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:49 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:48 pm mac is a wolf because he only wolf reads me when he's a wolf
town mac knows I'm always town

You went from great at mafia to bad at Mafia so fast lol

it's the school year again I'm back on break.
But seriously I think you read me pretty well. And it doesn't come up often, but I think these sporadic pushes from you are wolfier than not.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:48 pm mac is a wolf because he only wolf reads me when he's a wolf
town mac knows I'm always town

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:12 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:03 am wait why is TSP voting mac

He’s a wolf

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:30 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:18 amin last game proto showed evidence (imo) that he understood how d0 works. i was surprised he forgot, so i thought it was scum struggling to fill up the thread with a post.

tutuu got nightkilled, maybe proto did it... not sure how this accusation gets followed up on.

Just quoting as I go, reading with a mind on who has died, and that 112 was mafia.

Amy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:41 pm

Amy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:29 pm i also suspect that w!mac kills exactly nutella last night

certainly other wolves can make that kill, but i think mac ALWAYS makes that kill if he's a wolf

I'm sorry what?

let me first clarify that you're one of my top town and this is like. lylo tinfoil

but i got myself to thinking "IF mac is a wolf here, who would he have killed last night"

and i suspect the answer is "whoever is most likely to catch him"

which would, i believe, be nutella

linki: alison, insomnia is tedxtr

Amy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:29 pm i also suspect that w!mac kills exactly nutella last night

certainly other wolves can make that kill, but i think mac ALWAYS makes that kill if he's a wolf

Amy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:27 pm i think of all the players who like hard pushed 112, i'd agree that mac has the highest bussing equity just because i think it's absolutely in his range to do so

i'd probably consider tsp/112 soft unaligned off tsp's vote unless it was a coordinated full-team bus, tbh. i don't think tsp is investing enough effort in this game for "bus and go deep" to look like an attractive option to him

colin and proto i think made villagery choices to vote 112 over alison; alison voted in self-pres and i don't THINK the wagons were w/w

and then nutella is dead and i am me

so that's the 112 wagon

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:39 am Proto - you can town core me if you want :P

Really hope I can get a scum yeet today so that I can finally solidify myself in a town core and potentially even eat a bullet for it

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:29 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:39 am

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:49 am i'm ok with being yeeted here, i know what i signed up for when i defended 112 so it's fine.

but the mafia are probably in the people who scumread 112 but didn't vote until late in the day.

mac is actually obvious scum at this point, calling me scum with 112 and then voting for ME instead of 112 is outing.

So in your opinion it makes more sense for a 112 teammate to late vote 112 when 112 can still be saved than any other alternative?

I voted at 6-5 15 before eod. If I don't vote there any dumb fuck thing could happen. I am the least likely teammate on vote analysis. I am effectively responsible for hammering day 1. It's not out of my range to do but I wait til much later to determine whether I need to. I don't just throw away teammates for the fuck of it.

Wilgy is right about my meta. He scummed with me in pyre.

112 could not be saved, give me a break. Nobody was posting at EoD. Of all the votes on that wagon, yours is certainly the least impactful and the most likely to come from a partner.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:25 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:27 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:12 am those are actual good points

No. Neither of them are good points. Scum reading 112 and Urist and voting for Urist just means I had a bigger scum read on Urist. You will find this in keeping with the reality.

Voting not Urist right now is partly for the same reason I didn't just vote 112 day 1. Why bother? His wagon is formed and everybody seems at peace with it. I'll be of more use elsewhere.

So no.

You had a maf read on 112 the entire day. I don't recall whom you were voting before me, but it sure wasn't 112. And to stay on me when it was clear that Alison was being wagoned and there was a chance of 112 not beng yeeted... yuck. If you were town, I think you'd have abandoned your read on me and wagoned 112 a lot earlier. You only voted 112 when it was already decided.

If you actually thought I was outed scum, you'd just vote for me.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:49 am i'm ok with being yeeted here, i know what i signed up for when i defended 112 so it's fine.

but the mafia are probably in the people who scumread 112 but didn't vote until late in the day.

mac is actually obvious scum at this point, calling me scum with 112 and then voting for ME instead of 112 is outing.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:24 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:18 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:11 am I'm back. Sorry for missing yesterday, mixed up which days the thread would be open and thought I had more time.

Why aren't we lynching Nanook?

Same reason why we aren’t yeeting you or LC, there’s so little to actually scum read that we don’t know for sure who’s the scum, just that they’re likely to be lurkers / off-wagonners.

Well, perhaps we should murk the people who were actively on civ wagons day 1. I think it's silly that Nanook isn't being discussed as much as it should be.

Even a policy yeet on 10k or me should probably be more in discussion if content is the issue.

Re yesterday, I probably would've voted Nanook again without crying about TSP getting yeeted.

I don't feel as confident in proto as I was day 2, BUT they are still likely town. Sad to see our towncore decimated.

112 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:00 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:08 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:01 pm What's 112 wolf meta?

It's hard to say tbh. I think of anyone here I have the best idea but I wouldn't trust my meta all that much.

The first time I encountered 112 was in champs last year in the qualifiers they were town and they had as much wim as anyone I'd ever played with. Sharp as hell, unafraid to ruffle feathers. We had a town v town war. I've never seen that 112 since so I think that it's unfair to scumread her in the absence of that meta.

The second time I played with 112 they randed wolf and deepwolfed very well and got to f3 in the champs semi last year where they bested me and Vanity after I got myself into kingmaker. In that game their wolfgame was typified by being unafraid to vote for and even eliminate partners. They would have been scumread more if not for flips revealing that 112 had pushed partners. By the end of the game there was evidence of 112 having cased and voted on each and every single partner. One notable thing was hammering their teammate Evenstar while 112 and I were both in the thread laughing at how outed she was. 112 just lolnoped and hammered her when really I wasn't even that convinced she was mafia.

I think the two aforementioned games are probably 112 playing town (and mafia) at her top form. Since then by and large I have seen 112 play near identical as either alignment. Mostly surface level reads. Significant periods of no content. Doesn't really care when people scumread her. Just hasn't seemed to have near the wim as either alignment. I understand a lot has occured for 112 personally since champs last year and I think mostly 112 feels like they can't afford to get themselves that immersed in mafia for their own sanity frankly.

Hope that helps.

I'm just biding energy until we get 112 Unleashed.

112 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:14 am Town
tutuu
Amy
Urist
Mac

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:05 am I mean it makes no sense for Proto to vote to save Alison over mafia (which he specifically said he did) if Alison is town and 112 is mafia. Especially in the context. I guess it can be just a hard bus but I don't feel it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:58 am

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:56 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:55 am *places Proto into the bin gently*

Let's thunderdome!

Even if we did I don't think people are suspicious enough of either of us. I dunno why you want to yeet me so bad. All I know is that it probably means you're town cuz there isn't much long term gain in you pushing me here as mafia. So I'm just gonna pet your head gently til you stop being silly.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:55 am *places Proto into the bin gently*

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:39 am

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:32 am At this stage of the game I am the towniest Joseph.

I have voted on mafia and killed mafia and not voted on anyone who flipped town. Please explain how you are townier than me?

You pushed TSP for 2 days straight. He was town. He also scumread you.

You know who kills Nutella? Someone with meta with Nutella. Also you.

Alison is not the only person who kills tutuu. Anyone with a brain kills tutuu because their posts were so towny that they were everyone's top town by end of prev day.

If you are town Joseph, it sucks to be you, but now I am going push real hard to get you voted today. And I'm probably going to start hard scumreading people who defend you.

Hello it’s me, Joseph’s partner

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:10 am Team is just Alison and Proto. Don't care which goes.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:16 pm What does it mean that Alison is town because she looked good on both wagons? I think I read that.