The Syndicate

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 12:13 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:34 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:30 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:29 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:22 pm It’s Nutella and dk

Both lock town

Cool I agree

Can you imagine for a minute

If Mac and jay and spf are also town

How cool would that be

The universe isn’t usually that kind tho

mafia should prolly just concede if that's the case

blocks three nightkills, nails the exact entire scumteam on d3, and predicts the outcome on d1. what a god

LMAO

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:33 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:26 pm this game was stressful at points and i definitely was not spot-on with all of my foses :P but this game was still a lot of fun, and i'm happy to have played with y'all! i'd like to join more syndicate games in the future for sure

Please do! You have a great impact on the climate of a game regardless of your alignment, and it makes every game with you in it such a pleasure.

Also, I am 5-0 in games featuring SPF.

much appreciated! i'm glad that our streak is still going strong =)

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:30 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:26 pm this game was stressful at points and i definitely was not spot-on with all of my foses :P but this game was still a lot of fun, and i'm happy to have played with y'all! i'd like to join more syndicate games in the future for sure

curse u... almost got away with it too if it werent for the meddling gay jailkeeper

no one ever expects the gay jailkeeper :P

this game was stressful at points and i definitely was not spot-on with all of my foses :P but this game was still a lot of fun, and i'm happy to have played with y'all! i'd like to join more syndicate games in the future for sure

oh cool, im glad i used my action on koba in that case

i''m surprised that the game is over but that's dope

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:11 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:10 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:07 pm i hardclaim mafia

Wait is this a role swap

im gay

i live in tennessee

i hardclaim mafia

apologies for not being able to provide more fruitful analysis today. my head has been elsewhere over the last couple of days and i've been struggling to get into this game in the way that i would like to.

that said, i would lean cautiously on DOOM, nutella, nanook, and jagged all being town. i suspect that there may be one mafia within that group that i've simply failed to catch (especially if alison flips town), but those are the names that i generally feel the best about having town equity today

i already said this last night, but i'm finding that jagged's town equity is increasing more largely as the day goes on. the number of possible team combinations that involve him are slowly dwindling (for example, i don't feel that DOOM or koba make a good fit for a jagged partner - perhaps i'm just gullible, but i don't feel that the level of personal anger/frustration would come from teammates), and i do think there is some truth to the idea that if he was playing from a scum mindset, he would probably be trying to "pick a lane" as opposed to wandering aimlessly and feeling confused. i feel that both his approach and his interactions w/the people here are indicative of someone with a torn town mindset. it's hard to imagine jagged not just bussing alison for towncred here if they were partnered

that said, i still don't see a good reason to townread alison. i think her game has been strong at points but she's consistently maintained and reinforced an objectively incorrect POE and i've consistently felt that she has the highest level of deepwolf equity out of everyone in this game. as for her partners, i'm actually not very sure - i'm starting to tinfoil tutuu more than i was before. i don't find her to be the shining beacon of towniness that i saw her as during the first 2 days. my gun to head guess for the team would perhaps be something like alison/koba/tutuu? hm

don't have a ton of time to give my two cents right now, but i'm coming closer to a jagged!town world - and i'm not sure what that means for my read on alison. if i ignore the prospect of hunting for partners, then alison remains an appealing vote. i am struggling, however, to find a team for alison that i feel makes a comfortable fit

would appreciate it if we didn't end the day until the deadline - i'd like to take some time tomorrow to gather my thoughts and leave some legacy stuff

Made wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:43 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:39 am the only thing that makes me concerned about an alison vote today is that i am heavily tinfoiling tutuu, and that's exactly where tutuu is voting

hmm

Super behind, but the way I keep things simple with Tutuu WiFom it boils down to one question: was Tutuu targeted? If she was then she’s town. If she wasn’t she is mafia.

Is this help for in any way or kinda beside the point?

that's a very good question worth pursuing, but it isn't the type of question that i feel i can put much weight into, because i personally am not a big fan of nightkill analysis/theorizing about who would or wouldn't kill tutuu. it becomes so WIFOM-y to me that i don't particularly like it

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:42 am @staypositivefriend what do you tihnk of the way Grogu is treating Alison

it's sketchy, but also weirdly passionate

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:41 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:39 am the only thing that makes me concerned about an alison vote today is that i am heavily tinfoiling tutuu, and that's exactly where tutuu is voting

hmm

what do you think of the "I'm town" arguments Alison gave?

her argument about not killing tutuu/not letting tutuu carry the kill is fine - good, even, but it comes bundled with a variety of assumptions that we can not deductively know (ie: what if tutuu carried the vig kill and alison carried the maf kil? (ok not likely tbh) what if tutuu's role made it mechanically optimal for her to carry the kill?) it ultimately boils down to wifom, even if the wifom is convincing, and that's why i'm reluctant to put much stock into it

her argument about her never allowing herself to be bussed this early as scum is fine too, but again, it's the type of argument that doesn't connect with me because it assumes definitive statements about the organization & the mechanics of the scumteam that are impossible for us to deductively know - and as such, arguments made on that basis aren't as impactful as they should be

anyway i think the reasoning is fine, but it doesn't particularly make me want to townclear alison. i don't view the arguments in that way

the only thing that makes me concerned about an alison vote today is that i am heavily tinfoiling tutuu, and that's exactly where tutuu is voting

hmm

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:14 am I'm kinda scum reading the nature of Nutellas response here. I don't like how she believes Alison to currently be scum, but is trying to discredit her world view on the basis of itself. I'd find that if someone is scum, the world view naturally has a scum agenda, and if you wish to prove Alison is scum, you angle not to discredit her world view but first saying why she is scum; why her reasons for saying she is town are invalid. I think Nutella going to why Alisons world view is incorrect is necessary for Nutella to do, in a world Nutella is scum. @staypositivefriend does this make sense?

i believe i understand what you're getting at - you're saying that it's scummy that nutella is focusing on poking holes into the perspective that alison outed, as opposed to explaining ~why~ the perspective is coming from a scum-motivated place, right? i think that's a legitimate point, but it could make sense from a nutella!town perspective for her to come to the revelation that alison is mafia ~by~ poking holes in her perspective - it's possible that the confidence nutella is claiming to have about alison right now wouldn't have formed if she didn't go out of her way to do that

if i had to place my vote right now, it would probably be for alison over nutella, but i'm keeping an open mind. the associatives that are forming today are incredibly valuable regardless

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:03 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:43 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:41 pm i mean actually i think the two megaposts are a decent point towards alison being mafia because crafting those kinds of narratives is absolutely her scum meta and the fact that she waited so long to post after the pr stuff started and crafted this very long "here's why i'm right and you should listen" novel points to her being scum cooking it up

didn't you characterize alison's megaposts as "fairly convincing" on http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 94#p710094? i am confused

yes that's exactly the problem

it's alison

i'm just a little confused about how you got from the thought process of: "alison's wallposts are convincing" to "alison's wallposts are scum-indicative"

her wallposts would be convincing as either alignment, right? so what about the wallpost makes it specifically scum indicative? are you arguing that she doesn't focus on narratives as much as town?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:41 pm i mean actually i think the two megaposts are a decent point towards alison being mafia because crafting those kinds of narratives is absolutely her scum meta and the fact that she waited so long to post after the pr stuff started and crafted this very long "here's why i'm right and you should listen" novel points to her being scum cooking it up

didn't you characterize alison's megaposts as "fairly convincing" on http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 94#p710094? i am confused

nutella, what do you think of alison's push on you? you seemed willing to consider that alison could be town just a little bit ago - do you still feel that way?

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:29 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:24 pm @Allison reads list pls unless you've posted one recently

Towncore: DK, Esooa, nanook, nutella, tutuu, JJJ
Knocking on the door: SPF, DOOM
Townread: Grogu
POE: Michelle, Made, Ellie

DOOM and Grogu move around a bit, but this is roughly where I have them at right now. JJJ has been too in-sync with me today for me to leave him out of the towncore, and I don't think mafia is in a good enough position that they can afford to just have the exact same stance as me to pocket me. If JJJ is scum he has to push his own agenda, not just sheep me. I've had a couple of interactions with SPF that make me more confident about her, and that's why she's knocking at the towncore's door. I particularly liked the "chill" vibe I got from her when I quizzed her about how she feels about people not clearing her.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 5:07 am Grogu has moved in my reads. I'm still conflicted because his actual pushes are kinda opportunistic on a base level but I don't have a hard time believing he would do this as town and he comes off as honest and transparent in his posting.

I'm seeing more tinfoil towards the "middle" slots like me/SPF/JJJ/nook. I currently have townreads on all of these players and no particular inclination to tinfoil any of them.

^^two posts from alison from yesterday that pinged me at the time, and ping me slightly more now. they are focused on asserting the incorrect consensus POE while downplaying the possibility of tinfoils in the "middle" slots.

in fairness to alison, she started entertaining "tinfoil" shortly after making this post, but i want to present these for posterity's sake

Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:24 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:14 pm alison/doom/koba/esooa/grogu/jagged/nanook/nutella/tutuu

i feel comfortable removing nanook and DOOM from that pool right now, pending re-evaluation on LYLO. it feels weird to remove DOOM from that pool, but that's where my brain is taking me

so that leaves alison/koba/esooa/grogu/jagged/nutella/tutuu

now we're getting warmer, but i hesitate to comfortably remove any more names from that pool. grogu's appeals to me feel so heartfelt that i'm almost tempted to, but i feel that would be a mistake if i think about the game from a holistic perspective. one of koba or esooa would probably be the first names i would look at to further remove from this pool

Hi, I’m ok being in the scum pool. No offense positive
I would only advise you do NOT take essoa out of it. I want to keep an eye on her and I prefer we are together in this scum pool where she belongs. I believe she will be the sacrifice we make today and we will bake her and eat her flesh tonight. She can be our Jesus bread thingy

lmfao i unironically love playing with you grogu, even if youre mafia

mmm i'm still leaning town on nutella in spite of myself. i've been entertaining and chewing on the tinfoil on her but it doesn't feel like a good fit - beyond her broadly meeting the "scum archetype" that a number of people do right now

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:08 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:04 pm @jagged -

would you mind walking me through the thought process that's making you heavily consider an alison!town world right now? is it because the arguments she made on the last page were particularly convincing to you? what resonated?

It was my analyses of her interactions within my POE. I began assessing with this POE: [Alison, Omega, Grogu, DK, Esooa] and found that Alison is a poor fit with both Omega and Esooa. So for her to be mafia, if my assessments are accurate, she would have to be teamed with exactly Grogu and DK. That is on its own power unlikely, and if not then that means 1) she's town, 2) my analyses of Omega/Esooa were flawed, or 3) she would fit better with someone outside my POE instead.

I haven't looked into #3 yet. But then she popped in with her legacy and I think it looks pretty authentic. So my current feeling is that #1 is the answer.

thanks for the explanation, just acknowledging that ive seen this

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:15 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:14 pm alison/doom/koba/esooa/grogu/jagged/nanook/nutella/tutuu

i feel comfortable removing nanook and DOOM from that pool right now, pending re-evaluation on LYLO. it feels weird to remove DOOM from that pool, but that's where my brain is taking me

so that leaves alison/koba/esooa/grogu/jagged/nutella/tutuu

now we're getting warmer, but i hesitate to comfortably remove any more names from that pool. grogu's appeals to me feel so heartfelt that i'm almost tempted to, but i feel that would be a mistake if i think about the game from a holistic perspective. one of koba or esooa would probably be the first names i would look at to further remove from this pool

Remind me again why you're clearing DOOM?

i expanded on that a bit in this post: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 20#p710120

doom has just consistently outed posts that feel diametrically opposed to someone coming from a mafia perspective today - i think that she could be scum if the game goes to a LYLO situation, but nothing inspires me to consider her a realistic part of the POE right now

alison/doom/koba/esooa/grogu/jagged/nanook/nutella/tutuu

i feel comfortable removing nanook and DOOM from that pool right now, pending re-evaluation on LYLO. it feels weird to remove DOOM from that pool, but that's where my brain is taking me

so that leaves alison/koba/esooa/grogu/jagged/nutella/tutuu

now we're getting warmer, but i hesitate to comfortably remove any more names from that pool. grogu's appeals to me feel so heartfelt that i'm almost tempted to, but i feel that would be a mistake if i think about the game from a holistic perspective. one of koba or esooa would probably be the first names i would look at to further remove from this pool

mmm i'm arriving at a nanook town world upon giving his ISO a look. i would probably not re-evaluate that slot until LYLO

@jagged -

would you mind walking me through the thought process that's making you heavily consider an alison!town world right now? is it because the arguments she made on the last page were particularly convincing to you? what resonated?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:00 pm remember i had been townreading made, so that was a reevaluation

if that's the case, i'd be curious what "info" you felt pointed to a made!scum world even after you had re-evaluated

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:57 pm i think made is the most probable hit with the info we have

this is one of the few posts from nutella that outright pinged me - because it felt like nutella's mindset was disconnected from the rest of the game. when i saw ellie flip town, my first instinct was not: "well, i guess it's made now!". my instinct was: "we need to re-evaluate everything".

so for nutella to enter the game after the ellie flip with a hardpush on made "based on the info we have" does not strike me as a particularly well substantiated or organic vote

thanks for the POE alison - i'm giving it a look and taking it into consideration. i'm roughly at the place where i feel that both DK and esooa have more town equity than not, so if you ~are~ town, it's reassuring to me that our heads are in a relatively similar place

to be honest, i'm facing major information overload syndrome in this game. i don't think i've ever felt so aimless in a mafia game before - this is usually the type of situation i thrive in, but i've felt pretty unable to really "kick it into gear" and help create the conditions for a victory

although DOOM could still potentially be scum, the fact that she was part of the "consensus POE" of universally scumread players throughout the entire game is a small point in favor of her being town - nobody has really shielded her (to my memory), and she's always been in the outskirts of the POE as a plausible chop option. her frustration with being FOS'd today felt very authentic, and i like that it felt as though she was going to enter "anti-spew" mode, but then made a point of still outing insightful analysis/reads. i also thought that her concerns about me felt towny, solely in the sense that they dont make much sense for DOOM to post if she was playing from a mafia mindset. i won't die on the hill of this read being accurate, but i am townleaning DOOM and i am presently not interested in voting for her

koba fits the archetype of "scum" in the sense that they have faced a high level of protection from early on, and my tinfoil read on them was shot down pretty heavily. their push on DOOM also concerns me. that said, their approach does not necessarily ping me today - i feel that their frustration over not being listened to is something that could easily come from a koba!town mindset. i just want to see koba flesh out their reads more, honestly. as things stand, i probably will not end up with a vote on them today

i feel the same about esooa - i still maintain that she had some very strong towntells (on d2 in particular) and that she maintained a consistently strong gamesolve-y tone throughout yesterday. i feel that her presence today has been deflated a bit (perhaps i just havent read her posts closely enough), but i would not characterize esooa as someone that i am actively worried about - she has deepwolf potential, but much like koba, it doesn't seem like a good fit

grogu is an interesting case - he fits pretty well in the scum archetype because he has faced an absurd amount of protection from being pushed on or FOS'd in this game - i can't think of a single time a grogu!scum world consensus actually gained momentum. that said, some of his posts do feel a bit "tonally" towny to me - but we're at the stage of the game where i do not feel that i can reasonably remove someone from my POE for "tone". his passionate defense of alison does also not feel entirely substantiated by his logic. i would not characterize grogu as my number one scumread, but i would characterize him as someone that i'm concerned about

i will continue this later

DkKoba wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:28 pm spf she's literally softing theyre going to cc u and testing if they should lmfao

i know. if DOOM wants to lock herself into a CC with me even after i just outed a townlean on her, then she's very much welcome to

but i don't think that's the angle DOOM would likely be taking as scum - it's more likely that she's just town with an overly paranoid thought process

i'm prepared to eat crow if she actually CCs me

i almost townread DOOM for how scummy she's being

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:20 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:16 pm perhaps you can help me out - do you feel that there is a distinct difference between jagged!town work and jagged!scum work?

obviously, i'm sure that the work you do as scum comes with the intent to push a specific agenda - but do you think that your alignment is easily readable based on the ~way~ that you're doing your work?

i'm asking you because while i acknowledge that you're doing a lot of work (which i do appreciate), it's difficult for me to get specific alignment indicative information from it

I would suggest that you review my work while asking yourself "do I think Jay's perspective here is a fair one, that it makes sense, and that his conclusions reflect what I would expect from a town player?"

You can also ask "do I agree with Jay?", but that's a much higher bar and I won't always reach it town or not. If you do agree though, I think that ought to be a fair sign.

For example, if I was mafia doing today's work instead of town doing today's work, I think I would have found any way I could to make Omega and Alison fit together. Breaking them apart has splintered my own POE, and in the broader game theory it makes me more vulnerable. But I seek truth, SPF. I seek truth.

thanks. i feel that the primary reason i'm so concerned about you today is that i have a significant lack of reasons to townread you compared to the rest of the people in the game. i like your energy, and i like your analysis, but there are few moments that i feel i can point to and say: "this is something that jagged almost certainly would not do as scum". perhaps giving your analysis more scrutiny and asking myself those questions will help me get to that place

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:13 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:09 pm something that i found interesting is that when tutuu did her "trustfall" earlier, she noted that she had the hardest time coming up with a reason to both townread ~and~ scumread jagged

i found myself in a similar position when i outed a trustfall/distrustfall yesterday

if jagged has mostly just skated by on "good vibes/energy" and there are no concrete reasons to label him town, then that concerns me. it could be indicative of a jagged!scum world. i feel that the possibility needs to be explored thoroughly today

I honestly don't understand the perspective that all I have going for me are good vibes and energy. I have done a crap load of work, and not just this phase. That doesn't mean I must be town, the end, but I would hope that an assessment of the work I have done would help to clarify that I am doing it authentically.

perhaps you can help me out - do you feel that there is a distinct difference between jagged!town work and jagged!scum work?

obviously, i'm sure that the work you do as scum comes with the intent to push a specific agenda - but do you think that your alignment is easily readable based on the ~way~ that you're doing your work?

i'm asking you because while i acknowledge that you're doing a lot of work (which i do appreciate), it's difficult for me to get specific alignment indicative information from it

Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:09 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:04 pm a side benefit of being clear is that i'm not obligated to explain my reads in-depth like i typically am, so i am simply going to post Vibe Reports as my reads fluctuate. i will do my best to write up a legacy wallpost before the day ends outlining my thought process and the best path forward for a victory

nanook > DOOM > nutella > tutuu esooa > koba > grogu > jagged > alison

as things stand, i would need to see a solid case on nanook/tutuu to get to a world where they're mafia today. i am reconsidering nutella and have felt uneasy about her at several points today, but i still perceive her to be outside of her "scumrange", based on my relatively limited perception of her. the strongest argument for her being mafia is simply that she has rode along the consensus POE and then continued to pursue the same angles today (with an immediate push on me/made), but she does Feel authentic to me.

the read on DOOM may shift as i sort things out, but i'm finding a doom!scum world increasingly less likely as the day goes on

out of the consensus "POE", grogu is the one with the most scum equity, in the sense that he has been an easy target for the mafia to pounce on for this entire game but he has largely been shielded by the rest of the players

i am fairly certain that alison/jagged has at least one, but i have yet to see a compelling reason for why they can't be a team

i don't think that i'm 3/3 yet

This is horrible, why are you town again?

your words cut me deeply, baby yoda

something that i found interesting is that when tutuu did her "trustfall" earlier, she noted that she had the hardest time coming up with a reason to both townread ~and~ scumread jagged

i found myself in a similar position when i outed a trustfall/distrustfall yesterday

if jagged has mostly just skated by on "good vibes/energy" and there are no concrete reasons to label him town, then that concerns me. it could be indicative of a jagged!scum world. i feel that the possibility needs to be explored thoroughly today

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:06 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:04 pm a side benefit of being clear is that i'm not obligated to explain my reads in-depth like i typically am, so i am simply going to post Vibe Reports as my reads fluctuate. i will do my best to write up a legacy wallpost before the day ends outlining my thought process and the best path forward for a victory

nanook > DOOM > nutella > tutuu esooa > koba > grogu > jagged > alison

as things stand, i would need to see a solid case on nanook/tutuu to get to a world where they're mafia today. i am reconsidering nutella and have felt uneasy about her at several points today, but i still perceive her to be outside of her "scumrange", based on my relatively limited perception of her. the strongest argument for her being mafia is simply that she has rode along the consensus POE and then continued to pursue the same angles today (with an immediate push on me/made), but she does Feel authentic to me.

the read on DOOM may shift as i sort things out, but i'm finding a doom!scum world increasingly less likely as the day goes on

out of the consensus "POE", grogu is the one with the most scum equity, in the sense that he has been an easy target for the mafia to pounce on for this entire game but he has largely been shielded by the rest of the players

i am fairly certain that alison/jagged has at least one, but i have yet to see a compelling reason for why they can't be a team

i don't think that i'm 3/3 yet

This is a fairly concerning post with how Koba and Alison have posted about SPF but I will deal with that when those two die

can you explain this more? what concerns you?

a side benefit of being clear is that i'm not obligated to explain my reads in-depth like i typically am, so i am simply going to post Vibe Reports as my reads fluctuate. i will do my best to write up a legacy wallpost before the day ends outlining my thought process and the best path forward for a victory

nanook > DOOM > nutella > tutuu esooa > koba > grogu > jagged > alison

as things stand, i would need to see a solid case on nanook/tutuu to get to a world where they're mafia today. i am reconsidering nutella and have felt uneasy about her at several points today, but i still perceive her to be outside of her "scumrange", based on my relatively limited perception of her. the strongest argument for her being mafia is simply that she has rode along the consensus POE and then continued to pursue the same angles today (with an immediate push on me/made), but she does Feel authentic to me.

the read on DOOM may shift as i sort things out, but i'm finding a doom!scum world increasingly less likely as the day goes on

out of the consensus "POE", grogu is the one with the most scum equity, in the sense that he has been an easy target for the mafia to pounce on for this entire game but he has largely been shielded by the rest of the players

i am fairly certain that alison/jagged has at least one, but i have yet to see a compelling reason for why they can't be a team

i don't think that i'm 3/3 yet

Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:50 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:43 pm if anybody has any strong reasons for why alison should be considered town, i would very much like to hear them

I think they are town. I think scum is pushing these grogu, Ali and omega crap to win.

hello green friend, could you please explain to me why you think that alison is town? any particular reasons why?

might f*ck around and townlean DOOM

anyone else feeling that way?

if anybody has any strong reasons for why alison should be considered town, i would very much like to hear them

@koba -

i'm clear, and i'm re-evaluating all of my reads today (including on nutella)

so, if you think you have a solid case against nutella, i would recommend sharing it with me and helping me understand your perspective. if nothing else, it will help me have a more comfortable legacy read on you

hello, i'm at work and don't have a ton of time to dedicate to my solving right now, but i'm staying caught up with the thread and i will drop my two cents when i have the ability

i would like to chime in and say that i am personally not interested in a DOOM chop today. i feel that her posts in the last hour or so have a respectable amount of town equity, and even if i'm wrong about that fact, there is zero world where DOOM!scum survives until the endgame. if she is scum, then her lynch is somewhat of an inevitability. in that regard, i would like to go for a deeper scum today. my gut and my brain are currently pointing me to alison, but i'm not married to that stance just yet. however, i do not personally feel that alison has towntold yet today.

i do feel that nanook and tutuu have, though

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:18 am It's nice because I have anti partner stuff with almost all poe

ez clap

oh yeah? if you truly think that you dont make sense as partners with any of the people in the POE, it might be worth compiling the reasons together

damn, it feels good to be able to solve without caring about how i'm being perceived. i should claim my role in disadvantageous situations more often :P

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:10 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:09 am anyway, i claim jailkeeper. i saved tutuu last night.

you might be upset that i claimed, but i'm outing for a couple of reasons:

1. i'm a consensus scumread right now, and a push that the mafia are almost certainly banking on getting chopped within the next day or so. me being confirmed town is going to force the scum to re-orient their position in the game

2. for the town that are misreading me, having me as confirmed town will also help them recontextualize the game. if me/michelle/made are all confirmed to be town today, then that's going to force people to scumhunt in places that they haven't otherwise looked yet

3. made (who appears to be confirmed town?) is actively scumreading and actively suspicious of tutuu, along with DK. although i do not see tutuu getting chopped today, having tutuu as a mechanically confirmed clear along with myself is going to be extremely valuable

4. my claim guarantees that the town will have a mechanical clear for the next 3 days - (they would have to kill me/made/tutuu to create a clearless game)

i view the game like this: with my claim today, we have three mechanically confirmed town players and 9 "unclear" players, with 3 (?) incorrect chops needed for ut olose this game

there are three scum in that pool of nine, and i am confident that if we put our brains together, we can box in the wolves and get the game back in a stable position

(addendum: i realize that tutuu, could, in theory, be a scum whose kill i roleblocked - but i find that extremely extremely unlikely)

Wait do we have auto ROFL

Ur forgetting michelle

4 clears. Is that not auto?

unfortunately it's 3 clears at best - because you aren't actually confirmed town because of my visit (since i could have blocked your kill) - i jumped the gun in assuming that the no kill was a confirmation of my townread on you

if DOOM flipped scum i would probably lockclear nutella, and vice versa. i don't think their interactions on day one are partner indicative

Made wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:06 am also fuck, i have a giant blind spot for Esooa

same

i think the most telling thing for her alignment will be her interactions w/the flipped scum. the lack of a flipped scum makes her harder for me to parse with confidence

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:02 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:00 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:59 am thinking out loud:

is an alison and jay team ever possible?

it would certainly fit within the framework of alison declaring "lock clear" for a highly specific reason as soon as the game started. it would absolutely fit with what i understand of alison's scumgame to position herself and her partner as lock clears

Maybe but I vibe with Jay here tonight overall and his progression on her

Eh

Would go to him if the other names I said last post don't end it

this is primarily an ego and gut driven read but you and jagged both agreeing within the same series of posts that i made the "most sense" as scum gave me the strong feeling that one of you was piggybacking the other

this read might entirely evaporate when i explore you/jagged's ISOs again

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:59 am thinking out loud:

is an alison and jay team ever possible?

it would certainly fit within the framework of alison declaring "lock clear" for a highly specific reason as soon as the game started. it would absolutely fit with what i understand of alison's scumgame to position herself and her partner as lock clears

thinking out loud:

is an alison and jay team ever possible?