The Syndicate

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:17 pm I think SPF is scum over Hally.

why's that?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:14 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:04 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:03 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:02 pm If you believe Gavial is mafia, we should chop someone on his wagon right now. There will be mafia there if Gavial is mafia.

how does that work?

Gavial is very expandable if he's mafia. He will probably get caught. Scum wants to get the cred when they can get it. If Gavial is mafia, they are probably already spooked. That is how that works.

@staypositivefriend Do you think this perspective makes sense or not?

it's reasonable enough, yeah. there are usually wolves that try to bus their partner(s) early if they feel like they're going to inevitably get chopped, so it's not unreasonable to assume that someone would already be bussing gavial in a world where gavial is a wolf

i questioned you about that read initially because it seemed a little too definitive/strong, but i think that your perspective is fine after you explained it more

aroot is a state of mind

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:04 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:03 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:02 pm If you believe Gavial is mafia, we should chop someone on his wagon right now. There will be mafia there if Gavial is mafia.

how does that work?

Gavial is very expandable if he's mafia. He will probably get caught. Scum wants to get the cred when they can get it. If Gavial is mafia, they are probably already spooked. That is how that works.

imagine for a second that gavial is a 100% mechanically confirmed wolf. who is the wolf on his wagon right now?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:02 pm If you believe Gavial is mafia, we should chop someone on his wagon right now. There will be mafia there if Gavial is mafia.

how does that work?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:19 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:15 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:13 pm I HARD SHIELD GAVIAL.

do you think his posts are town-indicative, or is this a meme

Do you have an independently formed idea why Gavial is wolfy?

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 24#p797958

^^^^^

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:13 pm I HARD SHIELD GAVIAL.

do you think his posts are town-indicative, or is this a meme

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:55 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:03 pm @Vulgard - regarding https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 00#p797367, you need to re-read the beginning of the thread again. a lot of the stuff you said was factually inaccurate and i suspect that it's because you were rushing through the thread in your catch-up. i did not townread hally - i actually threw shade on hally early on, and i'm confused at how you missed that early exchange between us. i think that you're town though, and it's primarily because of your progression on me. if you were a wolf and you wanted to make up a reason to justify your suspicion toward me, there would be a lot of easier avenues to that destination than to pontificate about my meta for a page or two and then conclude that you were incorrect all along. if you wanted to pocket me or get in my good graces, there are also easier ways to do that than the paranoid, uncertain attitude you've shown toward me within the last couple of pages. it comes off like you are genuinely trying to consider my alignment, and that's a feeling that is reflected in most of the posts i've seen from you (ie: your read on hally)

I'll admit one thing here. I thought you townread Hally, because: At first you did question Hally, yes, but then they explained themselves. At that point you went like "fair enough" which I took as a townread. I didn't consider that townread warranted.

Aside from that. Despite you explaining it extensively in this post, I still don't understand how you townread me from your perspective. I made a factually incorrect push on you (from your presented perspective). Your response is to call me town for it because it looks genuine. What separates my push from agenda, especially if I got facts wrong? Don't wolves try to misconstrue the facts as part of their agenda? How can you tell whether I did it on purpose or not?

Basically, this post looks like a pocket/placating attempt to me. And yes, I've just called my push agenda because I'm not sure how SPF concluded I'm V. I'd expect most villagers I push for factually incorrect reasons to think I'm a wolf. Either that, or berate me for flimsy reasoning. I'm used to that as well. I'd expect SPF to wolfread me back or get suspicious of me if she's town.

This treatment feels... off.

SPF don't read:

Spoiler: show

Or maybe I'm not accustomed to being understood and I wolfread it on instinct.

I totally don't want SPF to just be town.

your read on me being predicted on factually incorrect information is not alignment indicative. most wolves don't outright lie about their reasoning, and the way that you carried this internal attitude of: "SPF townread hally" throughout your posts implied to me that you genuinely thought that i townread them regardless of your alignment

i think that your push on me is genuine because it isn't really a push - you came into the game w/concerns about me and then spent several lengthy posts desperately trying to dig up previous meta to verify if your read on me was correct, only to then conclude that your entire pursuit was fruitless. wolves that try to push on me usually treat me in a static way - i am either Good or i'm Bad, whereas your read on me exists in this continuum of: "SPF might be a wolf but she also might be a villager, i don't know", and i find the consideration and the self-doubt believable. i also think that your approach to reading me, in general, has an extremely high level of effort for comparatively low payoff in a world where you are a wolf. why even bother going through the meta stuff as a wolf instead of just saying: "SPF is kind of scummy" and leaving it at that?

i am pocketing you, though

Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:18 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:09 pm so AMA

when are you watching madoka

at this rate? in a solid 5 to 10 years

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:12 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:03 pm marl isn't out of his wolfrange, but his string of posts while catching up w/the thread are fine. i like the meta that he outed on me and his consideration of hally's alignment felt authentic. he's on the trajectory for me to end up townreading him, even if i'm not fully there yet

i like arete outing a highly specific thought about why vulgard is a villager, but presenting it as an "unethical" read and playing up whether or not it should be outed. it seems like arete/vulgard have a lot of familiarity w/each other, and i get the impression that arete as a wolf would be more interested in trying to get vulgard to townread ~them~ instead of coming up with a highly specific reason for why vulgard might be a villager, and then ~not~ outing it (initially, at least). i have some mild reservations about arete but they've been trending upward for me overall

i vibe with these thoughts in particular and think the trajectory of how you're sorting them looks good for you. sorry again for overreacting yesterday, i'm seeing more of what looks like genuine solving intention and hope it continues

nw it happens, i'm sorry for getting a bit curt with you as well. i'm leaning on us both just being villagers and that's a huge relief to me lol

other misc stuff:

-i feel almost obligated to out a read on hally, but i'm honestly not sure what i think about them yet. i had some early concern w/the read they outed on amy and also a concern about their read on nutella coming from a place of TMI, but the rest of their posts are fine. there's nothing obviously alignment indicative about their posts in general and i'm kinda just in "wait and see" mode (this is also my current feeling about alison/dyachei/KZA/and zapp, to a lesser extent)

-i originally voted for gavial because he just felt uncomfortable. i had just gotten out of playing a game w/gavial where we were both villagers, and he was a huge source of energy in that game, and he was constantly trying to solve and bounce thoughts off of other people. his opening posts in this game felt meek in comparison - https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 87#p796787 felt like an attempt to blend in w/the vibe of the thread, and i couldn't tell if https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 8#p796658c was a joke post or a real read, but it felt equally stilted to me either way. his catch-up posts leave me feeling the same way

-i've come around to nutella most likely being a villager after thinking about it more

the rest of my thoughts are a little jumbled and i probably forgot to mention some stuff that's on my mind, so AMA

various catch-up stuff:

@Vulgard - regarding https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 00#p797367, you need to re-read the beginning of the thread again. a lot of the stuff you said was factually inaccurate and i suspect that it's because you were rushing through the thread in your catch-up. i did not townread hally - i actually threw shade on hally early on, and i'm confused at how you missed that early exchange between us. i think that you're town though, and it's primarily because of your progression on me. if you were a wolf and you wanted to make up a reason to justify your suspicion toward me, there would be a lot of easier avenues to that destination than to pontificate about my meta for a page or two and then conclude that you were incorrect all along. if you wanted to pocket me or get in my good graces, there are also easier ways to do that than the paranoid, uncertain attitude you've shown toward me within the last couple of pages. it comes off like you are genuinely trying to consider my alignment, and that's a feeling that is reflected in most of the posts i've seen from you (ie: your read on hally)

marl isn't out of his wolfrange, but his string of posts while catching up w/the thread are fine. i like the meta that he outed on me and his consideration of hally's alignment felt authentic. he's on the trajectory for me to end up townreading him, even if i'm not fully there yet

i like arete outing a highly specific thought about why vulgard is a villager, but presenting it as an "unethical" read and playing up whether or not it should be outed. it seems like arete/vulgard have a lot of familiarity w/each other, and i get the impression that arete as a wolf would be more interested in trying to get vulgard to townread ~them~ instead of coming up with a highly specific reason for why vulgard might be a villager, and then ~not~ outing it (initially, at least). i have some mild reservations about arete but they've been trending upward for me overall

c4's posts got more villagery

i have a little bit of concern about sunbae, but it's almost entirely tied up w/his read on me. his read on me seemed based on a misunderstanding of my progression on tangy, and when i explained that progression further (and seemingly clarified the issue), sunbae just said that he didn't knew if he "bought it", but what exactly is there to buy? sunbae's early impression of me feels fairly shallow, which is fine, but the fact that he followed up w/his read on me by effectively saying: "Fair Enough" while still maintaining his suspicions just kinda lacked the clear sense of consideration that i was expecting to see from him. i do think that the rest of his posts are ~generally villagery and the way that he monologued about his feelings toward nutella reminded me of a couple of moments in rock falls in particular

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:32 pm Wait lol, Hally and SPF are voting what used to be a 4 post Gavial. LOL

@Hally @staypositivefriend I'm going to crush your dreams if any or both of you are mafia and I get to ever read this game. Terrible votes!

he's mafia, though :P

sunbae wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:42 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:19 am

Hally wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:09 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:47 pm I think nutella is town and the wolves are trying to shove through a cheap misexe on someone who is normally difficult to misexe.

This points towards mafia on her wagon, which is to say sunbae/bronana/outed wolf. Probably bronana for overexplaining his vote and trying to pocket the other two by saying they're the pillars of the town.

i don’t really understand this read. why are you assuming that nutella is getting pushed by wolves as opposed to villagers who are wrong and/or don’t know her well? what specifically about the pushes is wolfy? i feel like i can see where zack and spf are coming from even though i disagree

Arete wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:48 pm also just for the record I moved my vote off Hally but I still think their opener sucked a lot

why?

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i had similar thoughts to arete as i was reading tangy’s catchup but decided to withhold judgment and observe her more. not sure where i’m at on her atm. @staypositivefriend why did you like tangy’s posts?

tangygrowth burst into a relatively tense thread and immediately became a beacon of positive energy. her primary concern wasn't to ~blend in~ or spew out a bunch of takes, but rather, to change the atmosphere of the thread and to make sure that everyone was still having fun. even as she was doing that, she zero'd in on nutella for a little while and made a point of outing a read on her (which i found villagery, or at least indicative of tangy trying to gradually get more comfortable with the game by focusing on someone that she already knows)

the strong tone paired with the lack of posts that felt focused on an agenda made me think that she was most likely just a villager. typical caveat that this read will change if tangy's trajectory doesn't go where i anticipate it will go

Blah, was trying to quote two posts sorry.

That post I quoted and this one coming back to back (this one first, previously quoted 2nd) is wolfy imo. Here you have a few reasons to villa read tangy (positive energy, agenda being the atmosphere of the thread, still making a read while doing so, strong tone, lack of wolfy agenda makes me think shes just a villager) and then it gets backpedaled into a "clearing too lightly but still rand town" hedge simply because Arete's "blending in" comments were referencing the first quick stint instead of the main one? I think nothing Arete said changes a thing from SPF's main points and the backpedal reads to me like someone not really wanting to throw down over something like this early and just disengaging.

my progression of my read on tangy was like:

1. i get "vague good feelings" about tangy and stop just short of townreading them (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 15#p797015)

2. i talk myself into townreading tangy a bit more confidently after hally prompts me to explain my good feelings about her and i put a little more thought into the read (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 32#p797132)

3. after seeing hally point out that tangy has a reputation for being a good wolf, and after skimming through tangy's ISO again and realizing that she made several filler/"blend in with the game"-esque posts before the string of posts from her that i really liked, i decide that i'm townreading her a little bit too easily (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 49#p797149)

part of my townread on tangy was predicated on the idea that she entered the game without the intention to blend in, and realizing that she did in fact attempt to blend in (regardless of her alignment) at the very beginning of the game made my read a little less strong

(i told myself i was done posting for the night but i made an exception for this :P)

Arete wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:29 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:19 am her primary concern wasn't to ~blend in~ or spew out a bunch of takes

can you elaborate on this take? I agree with the second half but strongly disagree with the first half.

when i think of a wolf that is trying to "blend in" with a thread, i think of someone that's trying to match the vibe or the overall atmosphere of the thread they're in. a wolf in RVS will often be performatively casual/jokey because it's what they perceive as "normal" behavior. a wolf right outside of RVS will often force themselves to take stances or out reads because it's what they feel they "should" do. there are a lot of talented wolves that win games by mirroring other people and doing all the "right" things at the "right" moments

i think it's fair to say that tangy's posts up until the ones at the top of page 4 were "blending in" (i forgot she made any posts before that point TBQH), so that lends credibility to your point and diminishes mine a little bit

but i was specifically thinking about tangy's string of posts at the top of page 4 - she entered a thread that was in the middle of some pretty intense/divisive conversation, and there were a lot of reads/stances being thrown out. tangy's posts around that time were extremely casual and extremely relaxed - she expressed happiness at being in the game, she asked a few softball questions about my meta (among other things), but her commentary of the game itself was minimal and she seemed disinterested in giving her takes on the stuff that was going on, barring her read on nutella. her posts were casual in nature, but they were distinct from the vibe in the rest of the thread that is fairly unusual for wolves who are trying to dip their toes into the thread

kinda thinking that i'm clearing tangy too easily after writing this out tbh, but i do think that she's rand town so far

Hally wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:09 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:47 pm I think nutella is town and the wolves are trying to shove through a cheap misexe on someone who is normally difficult to misexe.

This points towards mafia on her wagon, which is to say sunbae/bronana/outed wolf. Probably bronana for overexplaining his vote and trying to pocket the other two by saying they're the pillars of the town.

i don’t really understand this read. why are you assuming that nutella is getting pushed by wolves as opposed to villagers who are wrong and/or don’t know her well? what specifically about the pushes is wolfy? i feel like i can see where zack and spf are coming from even though i disagree

Arete wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:48 pm also just for the record I moved my vote off Hally but I still think their opener sucked a lot

why?

—————

i had similar thoughts to arete as i was reading tangy’s catchup but decided to withhold judgment and observe her more. not sure where i’m at on her atm. @staypositivefriend why did you like tangy’s posts?

tangygrowth burst into a relatively tense thread and immediately became a beacon of positive energy. her primary concern wasn't to ~blend in~ or spew out a bunch of takes, but rather, to change the atmosphere of the thread and to make sure that everyone was still having fun. even as she was doing that, she zero'd in on nutella for a little while and made a point of outing a read on her (which i found villagery, or at least indicative of tangy trying to gradually get more comfortable with the game by focusing on someone that she already knows)

the strong tone paired with the lack of posts that felt focused on an agenda made me think that she was most likely just a villager. typical caveat that this read will change if tangy's trajectory doesn't go where i anticipate it will go

i think that amy and c4 are both most likely town. i have some vague good feelings about tangrowth as well. the rest of my reads are either ones that are in a state of flux or ones that i'd prefer to keep close to my chest. ask me for my thoughts on anyone here so far and i'll prolly answer

also, this is a wolf: [VOTE: gavial] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:36 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:43 pm the reasoning here is that if it's wolfy for you to put multiple thoughts into one post, it's also wolfy for dyachei to make multiple posts with zero thoughts, yes? you are drawing a contrast between dyachei and yourself, and saying that people should be looking at dyachei instead of you if they're looking for wolfy behavior, right?

if that's not what you mean to say, then i do apologize for misconstruing your words, but i don't really see any other way to interpret that post. you are not saying that you personally find dyachei wolfy, but you are attempting to draw attention to behavior from dyachei that looks wolfy, yes?

no lmfao holy shit you are STILL misrepresenting something i have explained twice and it's incredibly frustrating

i DONT understand where youre seeing implication of dya being wolfy, anywhere, unless it's literally just the "however" to compare to me

but the comparison was to draw attention to the fact that theres a REASON my post was like that, and that it was frustrating to watch someone else appear flippant about their post count when i am so conscious of mine and ending up getting wolfread for my approach to managing it

yes I was tempted to actually wolfread dya for their first few posts, sure. I ultimately didn't end up finding them wolfy. but yes I was frustrated in that moment that simultaneously the postcap was being ignored as something that can affect how people post.


you really, really are not making any attempt to understand my perspective here and it's really frustrating and i hope you're just a wolf for it because then you have motive to push me. if you're town fucking slow down and listen

i don't appreciate that my attempts to calmly explain my perspective to you in detail so that we can get on more common ground is for you to become more aggressive and accuse me of intentionally not trying to understand your perspective. i am going to drop the conversation here because this is clearly not going to be helpful

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:22 pm
no, you are still misconstruing literally everything i said and everything i tried to explain in the very response you are quoting

stop twisting my words

you said my post was suspicious because of "nervous energy" or something and i've explained that that is because of my efforts to conserve posts and the fact that doing so is incredibly unnatural for me and makes the tone of my posts sound unnatural

so no, i haven't misrepresented your reasoning, i've acknowledged it

and i did not call dya wolfy so stop fucking implying i did, that's really uh. un-- well. the u word. you know the one

so, to recap, the wording of your original post was this:

"ah yes putting multiy thoughts in one post is wolfy for me, it is known

dya however has multiple posts with zero thoughts

there is a cap of 100 with no lift"

the reasoning here is that if it's wolfy for you to put multiple thoughts into one post, it's also wolfy for dyachei to make multiple posts with zero thoughts, yes? you are drawing a contrast between dyachei and yourself, and saying that people should be looking at dyachei instead of you if they're looking for wolfy behavior, right?

if that's not what you mean to say, then i do apologize for misconstruing your words, but i don't really see any other way to interpret that post. you are not saying that you personally find dyachei wolfy, but you are attempting to draw attention to behavior from dyachei that looks wolfy, yes?

to recap further, when you said the following:

"ah yes putting multiy thoughts in one post is wolfy for me, it is known"

you were characterizing the reasoning for people scumreading you as being about your attempts to condense your posts, when the real reason was ~nervousness~. i understand that you are saying that you sounding tonally off is a byproduct of you attempting to conserve your posts, but you have to admit that you made a bit of an extrapolation there, yes? you used hyperbolized language to describe what you perceived as the real reason people were scumreading you for, and then used that as the foundation for your argument. that's why i called it a "misrepresentation"

i don't really see the point in getting bogged down in a discussion like this, so we should probably table it here, but i am put off by the aggressiveness and i felt like it was important to make this post and explain my perspective, because we are clearly miscommunicating incredibly badly if we're both town

Hally wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:29 pm nutella is a villager

what makes you think so?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:54 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:46 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:33 pm ah yes putting multiy thoughts in one post is wolfy for me, it is known

dya however has multiple posts with zero thoughts

there is a cap of 100 with no lift

like

let that sink in

conserve your posts and don't judge me for trying to do so myself

thanks

i actually find this post wolfy - i remember that when dyachei called you out for doing something wolfy in the zelda mash, you responded in the exact same way. you deflected the main point by gesturing to dyachei and saying: "but you're scummy too!". i feel like i'm seeing double right now

also, i don't think that anyone said that you were wolfy for trying to conserve your posts, so this feels dishonest to me

(i wrote this in my last post but it disappeared into the void for some reason?)

I don't suspect dya necessarily

I almost did with the number of shitposts but they improved

And ppl wolfread me tonally for that one post and I know the tone is a direct result of me conserving posts so

i mean, sure

but the argument of your post is still:

"you find ME wolfy? what about this OTHER person? bet you feel stupid now, huh?"

which feels even worse in the context of you misrepresenting the reason why you were getting scumread in the first place

and your reactions to the early pressure in general feel overly accusatory and overly aggressive, like you telling dya "not to waste" their posts on fish emojis, or describing the votes on you as being from the "mu elite bros clique"

i dont fault you for preserving your posts, but something just feels off. i'll let you do your thing and see if i still feel the same way, because i dont think the pressure from me is helping you if you are town

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:49 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:43 pm you'll townread me by the end of the day. just chill

the fuck is this a threat lmao

nope, im just telling him to not get ahead of himself :P

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:33 pm ah yes putting multiy thoughts in one post is wolfy for me, it is known

dya however has multiple posts with zero thoughts

there is a cap of 100 with no lift

like

let that sink in

conserve your posts and don't judge me for trying to do so myself

thanks

i actually find this post wolfy - i remember that when dyachei called you out for doing something wolfy in the zelda mash, you responded in the exact same way. you deflected the main point by gesturing to dyachei and saying: "but you're scummy too!". i feel like i'm seeing double right now

also, i don't think that anyone said that you were wolfy for trying to conserve your posts, so this feels dishonest to me

(i wrote this in my last post but it disappeared into the void for some reason?)

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:33 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:07 pm

Amy wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:06 pm is now a good time to say that zack's opening post rubbed me the wrong way

probably just not used to him breaking kayfabe, but

in what way did it bother you?

Above: what bothered Amy
Below: "Hey Amy what bothered you?"

Doesn't look like a question actually meant to figure something out

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:26 pm (i actually do sort of townread amy because i think that occam's razor points to her suspicion about zack being genuine)

Just general overexplanation, she could've just said "genuine" and have been done with it.

Little things, but they're things I very distinctly see from her wolf game and not from her town game. Her writing more words than she actually means is a tell I've caught her on quickly before.

1. "breaking kayfabe" is vague reasoning, and it was obvious that amy had more to say. i wanted her to expand on the reasoning. she did

2. that's not an overexplanation - i am actually underexplaining the read by vaguely gesturing to occam's razor without explaining what led me to that thought process

you'll townread me by the end of the day. just chill

Hally wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:49 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:25 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:18 pm might be a sucker but i kinda doubt w!amy dumps on zack first thing

i don’t think w!her sees zack as a viable push early on

the thing is, i dont think that amy would view zack as a viable push regardless of her alignment. i dont think that amy as town or amy as a wolf would be gunning for zack to get chopped right now

so the argument that you're making here is actually closer to: "amy would not throw shade on zack (while at the same time not voting for him) early in the game" than "amy would not see zack as a viable push", and i feel like the former is a lot more flimsy than the latter

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:26 pm (i actually do sort of townread amy because i think that occam's razor points to her suspicion about zack being genuine)

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

i’m confused why you even made the first post if you’re essentially villa reading amy for the same thing

also why is c4 v and why are you voting nutella?

the issue i took w/your post was about the framing of the read, and not the read itself. i thought it was odd that your read implied that amy's push on zack was something that she considered "viable" from her perspective and not just something she was throwing out to get discussion going. but i did come to the same conclusion as you after i thought about your read more, i just took a different path to get there

i can't really explain my feelings about c4 without getting into meta, so i kinda regret outing that read in the first place, but i liked that he dropped a silent vote on me, paused for a while, and then brought attention to his silent vote again when nobody responded to it. it felt like he was circling around me to see how i would react, and the fact that he made a point of bringing up his vote ~again~ after being ignored made me feel like his read carried real conviction/concern behind it

im voting nutella because https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 39#p796539 gave me nervous energy

bronana wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:49 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:46 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:43 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:42 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:35 pm Imagine I'm voting spf for the first time

town

This mean you know why?

not really - i just see that you're being coy about your reasoning for finding me suspicious and keeping your cards close to your chest, which is the direct inverse of how you approached the early game as a wolf in CoV, which makes me think that youre probably just playing from a villager mindset

(you also agreed with me about arete's vote being vaguely towny even though i did not put that thought into the thread and decided to keep it to myself)

this gave me vibes of "wolf says a bunch of words they think will sound good" but i think that's also the vibe I got from your opening posts in rocks fall so

all i do is say words that sound good :P

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:43 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:42 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:35 pm Imagine I'm voting spf for the first time

town

This mean you know why?

not really - i just see that you're being coy about your reasoning for finding me suspicious and keeping your cards close to your chest, which is the direct inverse of how you approached the early game as a wolf in CoV, which makes me think that youre probably just playing from a villager mindset

(you also agreed with me about arete's vote being vaguely towny even though i did not put that thought into the thread and decided to keep it to myself)

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:35 pm Imagine I'm voting spf for the first time

town

Amy wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:29 pm how the fuck are me and spf's join dates two minutes apart

we are intrinsically linked by the fate of the mafia gods

(i actually do sort of townread amy because i think that occam's razor points to her suspicion about zack being genuine)

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Hally wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:18 pm might be a sucker but i kinda doubt w!amy dumps on zack first thing

i don’t think w!her sees zack as a viable push early on

the thing is, i dont think that amy would view zack as a viable push regardless of her alignment. i dont think that amy as town or amy as a wolf would be gunning for zack to get chopped right now

so the argument that you're making here is actually closer to: "amy would not throw shade on zack (while at the same time not voting for him) early in the game" than "amy would not see zack as a viable push", and i feel like the former is a lot more flimsy than the latter

Amy wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:06 pm is now a good time to say that zack's opening post rubbed me the wrong way

probably just not used to him breaking kayfabe, but

in what way did it bother you?

Amy wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:05 pm how the fuck do you play mafia btw

i haven't had the mental wherewithal to give a shit about a game since rocks

and might still not

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

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