The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:32 pm Like, part of me is like "it's SPF" as like one of the players who called sheep town has to be wolf.

The player that fits that criteria were like SPF and Cape.

SPF fits better than Cape if my memory is correct.

if you're town this is a pretty bad metric to use for suspecting me considering that I ended up taking back that town read on sheep pretty swiftly and actively had him in my POE for the remainder of my posts

hi I'm out of town and dealing with Stuff and not super present at the moment

just gonna say that Nutella is still an incredibly obvious wolf and it's not a coincidence that the wolves have gone out of their way to nightkill the people who suspect her and any town who lets her live another dagpnass when she's been openwolfing for the entire game should do some self reflection about how they let that happen

tbh standard forum mafia logic tells me that there should be two wolves alive right now

or at least i think it's correct to play today with the assumption that there are

im also just going to give the disclaimer that my WIM is pretty shot right now for non-mafia related reasons but gonna do my best to keep up with this game anyway

i gotta admit that i'm still quite tunneled on nutella - did not like the way she used an incorrect framing pfyxyy's legacy as an excuse to continue pushing me today, do not like that she's not really trying to solve outside of me at all (though i guess you could say this is the pot calling the kettle black in some ways) and generally just think she has the worst vibes out of anyone here

that said i will dedicate some time to looking through the sheep spew and such to figure out if there's another wolf alive ~with~ nutella or who the maf might be in a world where nut is town

also yes i got the prize

the basic idea behind the prize is that the next time im voted to perform during the nightphase, i get to choose two different songs and all the votes for both songs will be counted toward me

it's pretty cool

still processing things generally but the main takeaway for me after reading through the last few pages is that i think falcon is town

personally i found it pretty towny that he was one of the first ppl to point out that he thought i submitted the glass beach song (which was a banger) even though he said he didn't like it and could have easily used that as an excuse to vote for one of nut/sheep to get the prize instead

to me it was towny that he was pushing the thread in the direction of letting me get the prize without really like directly advocating for it in a way that would give him credit - just strikes me as a weird angle for him to take if he's wolfing here

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 5:22 pm I'm alive and we got a mafia I'll take it!

I guess SPF got the prize even though my song was better tho tbh smh but at least she's on the poll

i think pyxxy was right and spf/sheep are teamed so i will continue to [VOTE: spf] aubergine

we got this

me when i nightkill one of the main people pushing on me and then lie about their reads as an excuse to continue tunneling on a villager

hello

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:59 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:46 pm if y'all want nutella to be eliminated today then it is strictly beneficial to make sure that i dont have enough votes to be put up for a performance, since im the only person here who can reliably tell what nutella's song will be (probably)

but doubt ppl are gonna move next in the next hour and a half

like if nutella is town

This should 1000000% die

if nutella is town then i accept that i have played this game as a wolf even though im town and rightfully deserve to die for it

thankfully i am about as confident as it is possible for me to be confident that nutella is not town

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:58 pm I am getting worried by SPF recently

i too am getting worried by you

what worries you about me?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:56 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:54 pm tbh it's hard to make reads off of specific votes because the game is super uncoordinated and because it would be optimal for the wolves to pretend that they want nutella eliminated today but then place their vote elsewhere so that nutella has a higher chance of surviving during the competition

which aligns with how basically everyone is playing outside of exactly lorab

I can't unvote sheep because then it's you vs Nutella and I think it's better for 3 people so better odds you survive?

better odds that i survive maybe but worse odds that nutella dies, right?

so it's a tradeoff

fmpov the number one priority of any villager who is sentient in this game should be to get nutella killed as swiftly as possible

im not strictly opposed to sheep being in contention as well but i definitely do worry that nutella will survive the night again and tomorrow will just be a repeat of today

eh fuck it pyxyy can be town since he's one of the only ppl actively trying to solve the game and bcuzi think the way he's pressuring nut to use her ability on sheep is towny

tbh it's hard to make reads off of specific votes because the game is super uncoordinated and because it would be optimal for the wolves to pretend that they want nutella eliminated today but then place their vote elsewhere so that nutella has a higher chance of surviving during the competition

which aligns with how basically everyone is playing outside of exactly lorab

:3

if y'all want nutella to be eliminated today then it is strictly beneficial to make sure that i dont have enough votes to be put up for a performance, since im the only person here who can reliably tell what nutella's song will be (probably)

but doubt ppl are gonna move next in the next hour and a half

if i stick with my early townread on falcon and lorab and trust that my weak townreads on pyxy/tsp are correct then it would imply that all the mafia are in nutella/cape/sheep/wilgy

cape is also worrying me today

wilgy can u explain to me why ur not voting nutella

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:39 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:37 pm wilgy can also be mafia

your face can be mafia

so true

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:37 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:34 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:22 pm @staypositivefriend hey I see that you voted last night for Cloud Cult but I don't see why?

Did you think that was Long Con's song? Or did you think it was Nutella's song?

i was very confident that it was long con's song, which is why i voted for it

Did you say in the thread that you were super confident about whose song was whose?

yes

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:31 pm i am pretty confident about which person is which bcuz i spend a lot of time in mafia-related music circles, it's not TMI

tsp felt kinda towny in the brief moments he's been in the thread and i kinda soulread him as town for bad reasons

wilgy can also be mafia

yoo

sheep/cape proly has one, just vibes

think lorab is town his suspicion and conviction about LC being mafia felt pretty authentic to me

i it's tempting to say that pyxyy is town bcuz theway nutella played off of her read that she and LC were t v t felt like a wolf taking advantage of an incorrect townie, and bcuz idk why pyxyy would call nutell town but then abruptly turn on her (but she's voting sheep now anywayso this point holds less water to me)

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:30 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:28 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:22 pm @staypositivefriend hey I see that you voted last night for Cloud Cult but I don't see why?

Did you think that was Long Con's song? Or did you think it was Nutella's song?

she knew which was which and wanted to save LC over me, she even said she actually liked my song more smh

my dear nut I must apologize but u r wolfing

yes she is openwolfing im not sure why anyone is voting outside of her, including u

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:22 pm @staypositivefriend hey I see that you voted last night for Cloud Cult but I don't see why?

Did you think that was Long Con's song? Or did you think it was Nutella's song?

i was very confident that it was long con's song, which is why i voted for it

i feel bad for slanking tbh ive found it hard to find motivation for this game and the best thing i can give u is to bury one obvious wolf and hope that y'all can put the pieces together from there

nutella is maf just kill her please lol

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:59 pm this game is falling apart lol votes are kinda all over the place

spf is right there being extremely manipulative but yall are throwing darts at vaguely towny slots

this is such an openwolfy post even though i agree with nutella that the game is falling apart

not super present rn but nutella is still mafia and everyone should prioritize making sure that theyre voting for her today

wilgy who is mafia

why is this thread so dead

i'm here if anyone wants to solve with me

that isn't the problem here

kirb go squeesh

to me the fact that your reasoning to push on robyn was based on something factually incorrect that would be v ery easy to see was incorrect if u closely read the exchange at all

is evidence to me that you have not put any real thought into your worldview and that u are lazily tunneling villagers for as long as ur able to get away with it

i rest my case

when you say that robyn refused to engage with porscha's reasoning with any depth, it's incorrect in the sense that:

A. robyn was willing to engage with porscha, but porscha refused to engage with her and shut down her attempts to

B. porscha refused to explain her read on robyn, which means that there was no "in depth" reasoning for robyn to engage with in the first place

now you have shifted your reasoning to: "robyn was being cagey during the exchange", which isn't very true either, since robyn actively tried to ask porscha questions and engage with her during their conversation

now, of course, villagers can be wrong and they can misspeak, but your reasoning to push on robyn here is so egregiously factually incorrect that it shows me that you put no real thought into your push on them, and i consider this to be completely outing for you. and i hope that anyone with basic mafia knowledge would consider it outing as well

well if u can acknowledge that your original characterization of robyn here:

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:56 pm they refused to engage with porscha's read in any depth and I thought that deflection was more likely to come from a wolf

was factually incorrect

then im satisfied tbh

i think that u are disengaging at this moment because you realize that your reasoning does in fact not make any sense and is something u made up to justify ur tunnel

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:09 pm porscha scumread robyn

robyn asked porscha why

porscha refused to explain why

robyn said "fine it wouldnt be optimal to engage with your suspicion anyway"

you see this interaction and characterize it as: "robyn refused to meaningfully engage with porscha's reasoning to wolfread them"

this is dishonest and borderline lying

no i want you to respond to this and explain to me exactly where im misunderstanding

porscha scumread robyn

robyn asked porscha why

porscha refused to explain why

robyn said "fine it wouldnt be optimal to engage with your suspicion anyway"

you see this interaction and characterize it as: "robyn refused to meaningfully engage with porscha's reasoning to wolfread them"

this is dishonest and borderline lying

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:11 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:09 am abbie coming into the thread and townreading me and building a towncore is v!abbie i believe. maybe i'm biased that she read me right but i will reevaluate this later

porscha coming into the thread and thinking i was wolfing was slightly towny. i don't know why she suspected me beyond vibes. but suspecting me and instantly being confrontational is what i expect of v!porscha, especially after the previous two games where she saw me wolf up closely. so, porscha, i ask, why do you suspect me?

i am unsure of nutella's alignment and i expected something to sway me one way or another, but something hasn't

I plead the fifth on why

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:14 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:13 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:11 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:09 am abbie coming into the thread and townreading me and building a towncore is v!abbie i believe. maybe i'm biased that she read me right but i will reevaluate this later

porscha coming into the thread and thinking i was wolfing was slightly towny. i don't know why she suspected me beyond vibes. but suspecting me and instantly being confrontational is what i expect of v!porscha, especially after the previous two games where she saw me wolf up closely. so, porscha, i ask, why do you suspect me?

i am unsure of nutella's alignment and i expected something to sway me one way or another, but something hasn't

I plead the fifth on why

so it's just paranoia of my huge wolfrange, good, a specific reason would be contrived

no I have very specific reasons that I am not speaking aloud

but robyn DID ask porscha to explain, and porscha explicitly refused to and refused to engage with it

so it doesn't make sense to say robyn is wolfy for not engaging with reasoning that literally didnt exist!

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:05 pm .....did you read the robyn quote in there because lol


the reality distortion is too strong

yes. robyn said that it would be suboptimal to engage with porscha about their read on them, altho they tried a little bit

but porscha iss the one who explicitly refused to give any reasoning for robyn being mafia

so how could you say that it's wolfy for robyn to not meaningfully engage with porscha's reasoning

when porscha did not give any reasoning?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:03 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:56 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:48 pm can you explain to me how your reasoning was meaningfully different to an extent that you thought long con's push on robyn was predatory?

iirc I didn't like robyn's reaction to being pushed and it looked like they had a guilty conscience/they refused to engage with porscha's read in any depth and I thought that deflection was more likely to come from a wolf who knew the push was right and didn't want to get caught in a back and forth. LC seemed to just hop on the vote at a convenient time and his reaction that robyn was being "manipulative" felt made up to me because that wasn't actually a meaningful description of the interaction it was just a buzzword to justify a drive by vote.

Yes I didn't explain all this nuance at the time because my brain just processed both as wolfy and likely a difference check so I voted on the one I felt slightly stronger about at the time

you say that "robyn refused to engage with porscha's read in any depth", but porscha was the one who refused to explain her read on robyn during the exchange in the first place:

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:14 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:13 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:11 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:09 am abbie coming into the thread and townreading me and building a towncore is v!abbie i believe. maybe i'm biased that she read me right but i will reevaluate this later

porscha coming into the thread and thinking i was wolfing was slightly towny. i don't know why she suspected me beyond vibes. but suspecting me and instantly being confrontational is what i expect of v!porscha, especially after the previous two games where she saw me wolf up closely. so, porscha, i ask, why do you suspect me?

i am unsure of nutella's alignment and i expected something to sway me one way or another, but something hasn't

I plead the fifth on why

so it's just paranoia of my huge wolfrange, good, a specific reason would be contrived

no I have very specific reasons that I am not speaking aloud

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:21 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:17 am actually it's suboptimal to engage with suspicion against myself at this stage of the game, so i'm gonna have to ignore you irt your read about me

exactly why I didnt bother giving you my reasons, you will come up with any reason to ignore me anyway

porscha specifically went out of her way to avoid talking about her read on robyn....so saying that it's scummy that robyn "didn't engage with porscha's read in any depth" doesn't align with what actually happened in the exchange

plus, robyn actively tried to engage with porscha about stuff unrelated to porscha's unexplained push on her

so like....what do you mean? lol. this reasoning sounds blatantly made up

actually i think this point is probably outing for nutella

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:56 pm LC seemed to just hop on the vote at a convenient time and his reaction that robyn was being "manipulative" felt made up to me because that wasn't actually a meaningful description of the interaction it was just a buzzword to justify a drive by vote.

also, hard to imagine a villager seeing long con's vote on robym, having this thought process, and then immediately posting this:

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:56 am [VOTE: robyn] aubergine for that interaction with porscha lol

lc wolf if theyre not though maybe

you think that you would not join the wagon on a player who you think is being opportunistically pushed on by one of your wolrfreads, but what do i know tbh

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:56 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:48 pm can you explain to me how your reasoning was meaningfully different to an extent that you thought long con's push on robyn was predatory?

iirc I didn't like robyn's reaction to being pushed and it looked like they had a guilty conscience/they refused to engage with porscha's read in any depth and I thought that deflection was more likely to come from a wolf who knew the push was right and didn't want to get caught in a back and forth. LC seemed to just hop on the vote at a convenient time and his reaction that robyn was being "manipulative" felt made up to me because that wasn't actually a meaningful description of the interaction it was just a buzzword to justify a drive by vote.

Yes I didn't explain all this nuance at the time because my brain just processed both as wolfy and likely a difference check so I voted on the one I felt slightly stronger about at the time

you say that "robyn refused to engage with porscha's read in any depth", but porscha was the one who refused to explain her read on robyn during the exchange in the first place:

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:14 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:13 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:11 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:09 am abbie coming into the thread and townreading me and building a towncore is v!abbie i believe. maybe i'm biased that she read me right but i will reevaluate this later

porscha coming into the thread and thinking i was wolfing was slightly towny. i don't know why she suspected me beyond vibes. but suspecting me and instantly being confrontational is what i expect of v!porscha, especially after the previous two games where she saw me wolf up closely. so, porscha, i ask, why do you suspect me?

i am unsure of nutella's alignment and i expected something to sway me one way or another, but something hasn't

I plead the fifth on why

so it's just paranoia of my huge wolfrange, good, a specific reason would be contrived

no I have very specific reasons that I am not speaking aloud

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:21 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:17 am actually it's suboptimal to engage with suspicion against myself at this stage of the game, so i'm gonna have to ignore you irt your read about me

exactly why I didnt bother giving you my reasons, you will come up with any reason to ignore me anyway

porscha specifically went out of her way to avoid talking about her read on robyn....so saying that it's scummy that robyn "didn't engage with porscha's read in any depth" doesn't align with what actually happened in the exchange

plus, robyn actively tried to engage with porscha about stuff unrelated to porscha's unexplained push on her

so like....what do you mean? lol. this reasoning sounds blatantly made up

i gotta be honesst i dont have a super coherent worldview outside of nutella being a wolf so im gonna focus on forming that today

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:41 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:37 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:35 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:29 pm im gonna be honest though, the real argument for you being mafia is just the fact that your vibes are off lol

nutella is a great player but she is caught almost immediately whenever she's mafia. this is because she struggles to project towniness and solving in the same way that she does as town, and her general posts are stilted and uncomfortable

nutella is a popular n1 kill in most town games that she plays bcuz she's such a fierce solver and so good at projecting towniness

and here we are on d3 and she has done nothing but tunnel two villagers to death with shakey reasoning while making no attempt to meaningfully re-assess or shake up her wolrdview, while not towntelling

she's just outed mafia idk what to say lol

yeah there is no way you actually believe this lol

my perspectives have been clear throughout the thread

oh they've been clear, but that's part of the problem lol

you thought robyn was mafia because "of an interaction"

you thought long con was mafia because "he pushed robyn" even though you had the same suspicions about robyn at the same time as him

your reads are transparently lacking in depth of thought

i've already responded to this point. maybe you missed it because you had left the thread but the nuance in the difference between my robyn vote and LC's was relevant in my biased pov, need I pull the "hypocrisy is a staple of town play" quote bc none of this is actually scummy it's just messy which real reactive reads can often be

well, let's try unpacking that

this was your vote on robyn:

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:56 am [VOTE: robyn] aubergine for that interaction with porscha lol

lc wolf if theyre not though maybe

this was long con's vote on robyn, which immediately preceded your vote:

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:52 am [VOTE: robyn] aubergine she seems the most manipulative.

so, your reasoning to vote robyn was: "that interaction with porscha"

LC'ss reasoning to vote robyn was: "they seem the most manipulative"

can you explain to me how your reasoning was meaningfully different to an extent that you thought long con's push on robyn was predatory?

(but not predatory to an extent that you wanted to stop voting with LC....only predatory to the extent that you wanted to vote LC if robyn flipped town lol)