The Syndicate

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:36 am actually i townread neon more confidently than neon but it doesnt matter

more confidently than RONDO

i need to go to sleep

actually i townread neon more confidently than neon but it doesnt matter

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:32 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:07 am Experiment time

Aro
Belzy
Ender
Neon
Rondo

Are these all town?

@staypositivefriend what do you think of this?

hm

the name in that list that immediately stands out to me as having the highest chance of being mafia is belzy. this is because it appears to me that this entire playerlist has collectively cleared belzy off of Good Vibes and Sounding Pure (to my understanding anyway), and i think that type of reasoning makes belzy particularly likely to be the deepwolf out of all the potential deepwolves in your list

agreed that rondo and neon and ender are town roughly in that order. i was POE'ing ender but am being influenced/agreeing with the recent consensus that his posts have been an improvement. read on aro is REDACTED until further notice

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:32 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:30 am [VOTE: santygrass] aubergine

awooooooooooooooooooooo

Ur vote and post aside, I want u to know pikachu that every time u post, I get super excited in the game and enjoy having convos/playing with u and just wanted u to know that hehe.

i appreciate that tbh, i enjoy your energy/presence in games as well

that was honestly such a good x-post. couldnt have asked for better timing

[VOTE: santygrass] aubergine

awooooooooooooooooooooo

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:28 am think ppl who say neon are town are either town and likely to be right, or mafia and likely to be tmi

therefore neon town

since we're all trashing alison right now i guess i'll just chime in and say that this post from alison pinged me because it was basically just the exact same reason that i am townreading neon myself but it felt more unnatural/generic coming from alison? i actually dont have a logical reason behind this ping, i just thought the read came off as being out of place at the time

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:44 am @staypositivefriend I would like your actual read on neon cuz choosing to not give one and sheep santy/lily instead does not sit right with me.

santy, lily, and blade have now all projected high confidence townreads on neon. i think this makes neon more likely than not to be town. you can see this as a copout i suppose, but i think it is a very legitimate way to get a read on a player like neon whose playstyle i kind of struggle to get a read on

my actual thoughts on her was that i thought the way she defended herself against pressure earlier was centered around feeling like her playstyle was being "misunderstood" in a way that might be town indicative, and that i generally have not taken any issue with her posts. if i thought that she was actively wolfy then i would express it

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:31 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:28 am oh and im withholding my thoughts on aro's alignment until i see something specific. sorry not sorry!

Pika

Imma look over ur post in a bit and let it simmer because I do value ur perspective/solve and on quick skim it seems like some of our tr are similar.

If you did mention it then I apologize, but which of your reads do you feel least confident on and have potential
Blinders too that I could maybe help out with to give input on?

getting additional perspectives on wisp, belzy, and porscha would be helpful for me right now tbh. i just remembered that i forgot to include wisp in my list of reads but i honestly don't even know what my read on him is

oh and im withholding my thoughts on aro's alignment until i see something specific. sorry not sorry!

good chance that my view of the game will be fairly different in like 24 hours

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:10 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:04 am

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:50 am @staypositivefriend pikachu, what do u think of the confidence of my read on your slot?

some mix of feeling like you are townclearing me too easily when i am definitely still within both of my ranges but that i also find it plausible that you would feel feel confident about your ability to find me as town

i actually remember that you townread me fairly confidently too in the anni mash a few months ago when i was W and you were T, so i dont think that you strongly townreading me is wolf indicative at least. i am planning to read you by other metrics this game

unfortunately im not really here rn, just staying caught up with the game so that i dont have an overwhelming amount of content to catch up with when i wake up tomorrow

Btw I think it’s townie of u to bring up anni lol, cause it kind of makes my “confident read” on you seem worse based on the fact I was “wrong on you before.” Granted, that was our second game and I hadn’t really played with u much then.

But now it’s just so much different and all the recency from our games. Additionally, I feel like we can both agree that we have similar play styles, hence we’re able to have a better feeling of one another through analysing intent/content of our posts.

But besides that point, how are u feeling about the game and where is ur head at? Current reads list is fine.

hmmm well

i think that mac is town

i think that rondo and seanzie are both towny enough for me to not want to go after either of them today (though if one of them is mafia it's probably seanzie and not rondo)

lilypetal and santygrass both calling neon obvious town makes me think that neon is town who is being correctly townread by them or TMI'd as town

...i actually feel similarly about porscha calling lily locktown and think that it increases lily's odds of being town regardless of porscha's alignment, though i think lily has been posting fairly well over the last few hours, at least to the extent where i am probably not willing to go after her today either

there have been various points throughout this game where i have called nook/alison/illario/tilg towny but i dont stand by my townreads on any of them anymore

if you are town then i think alison's mafia equity rises slightly

nook has been posting fine but i might have cleared him a little hastily

tilg's posts "look good" but i cant really verbalize any reasons to townread him and it's not implausible to me that he could just be a wolf who did a good job at blending in with the consensus in the early phases of the game

illario is playing closer to his typical town meta than his wolf meta but he hasn't done the main thing that i usually TR him for yet so im dropping him back to null until he does

dont have any strong reasons to townread belzy but they have enough defenders today that make me think i could just be getting pinged by their playstyle

i actually perhaps find dya's content so far maybe a little bit wolf indicative but i like dya and am kind of deliberately giving them space since they are busy and since i know if they are town they will make probably make it obvious pretty soon

i dont have any reason to townread santy and generally agree with the feeling that his reads might be coming from a place of TMI

dont have any reason to townread porscha

so if i had to shotgun a list of names that contain some mafia, it would look like alison/dya/santy/porscha/ender/tilg but this is a GTH list and not something im thinking very carefully about

Millium wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:31 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:26 pm

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:27 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:18 pm Sup punks I'm the vig and I'm here to troll the shit out of this game vote nanook

[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

Why would you want to vote out the vig? (Or 3p)

[VOTE: Belzy ] aubergine

Betzy feels like pretty obvious town honestly, I've only had problems with their handling of me
but that is probably cause I never like people who vote me lol
probably one of the more natural players in this game
and no im not explaining this further

Millium wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:31 am tbf I like the fact that SPF called out Belzy's progression on me, even if I'm a bit conf biased on the matter
and they kinda poof out of existence since last night

and Ender was definitely more thoughtful in their progression in baby mafia than what I see here

arogame123
Belzy
Cham
dyachei
EnderWiggen
Neon
Porscha
santygrass
Seanzie
Tilgarial

Cham and day both feel up in the air at this point
Porscha has also done nothing, but I feel inclined to ask what should I expect from them lol
I think Neon's interactions with were good, and they really popped off with their last burst of posting (still kinda shrugging at the fact they twisted my words into wanting to kill a townie though, and from my POV Porshca still doesn't deserve a town lean.

arogame123
Belzy
EnderWiggen
Neon
Porscha
santygrass
Seanzie
Tilgarial

while I can see the argument that Santy feels to confident, this to me still feels more like their finals than semi's

arogame123
Belzy
EnderWiggen
Neon
Porscha
Seanzie
Tilgarial

this is the PoE I really want to shift through, and try to downsize it

if i had to pinpoint a concern about wisp it is the fact that he went from calling belzy obvious town to dropping belzy to his immediate POE just because i said that i scumread them

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:50 am @staypositivefriend pikachu, what do u think of the confidence of my read on your slot?

some mix of feeling like you are townclearing me too easily when i am definitely still within both of my ranges but that i also find it plausible that you would feel feel confident about your ability to find me as town

i actually remember that you townread me fairly confidently too in the anni mash a few months ago when i was W and you were T, so i dont think that you strongly townreading me is wolf indicative at least. i am planning to read you by other metrics this game

unfortunately im not really here rn, just staying caught up with the game so that i dont have an overwhelming amount of content to catch up with when i wake up tomorrow

tbh i can admit that my initial reaction of: "i reject this difference check" was a bit of an overstatement because i was annoyed that it felt like u were setting me up to push on me in a world where aro flips town

but i agreed with you that aro has a higher chance of being mafia if lily is town and i even agreed that your reasoning was fine so im not sure what you want from me, it just seems like you are being needlessly antagonistic for no reason

i will proly not continue to discussion past here

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:29 am hey @staypositivefriend you get a wolf over today or I'm going to vig you

im not sure why you think this would be a productive thing to post

there is really no point in getting passive aggressive with me because i rejected you saying that i am always mafia if aro is town tbh, this is basic common sense and you are the one making it dramatic when it doesn't need to be

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staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:21 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:18 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:08 am

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staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:13 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:10 am

do you think arogame's reason for voting lily was reasonable?

arogame's reasoning was basically just: "i agree with SPF", and tilg's reasoning was more or less exactly the same

i dont think that both of them are mafia (most likely), so choosing to vote for lily based on my push on her is not inherently unreasonable, if that makes sense. i think the reason why the chances of there being a wolf in aro/tilg increase if lily is town is because i think lily was an easy target for a wolf trying to get integrated into the game to park their vote on, but i dont think the reasoning itself is much of a problem

my reasoning is no different if not even less contextual so I don't know why you felt the need to dramatically reject it

i rejected the existence of the dichotomy (or trichotomy) but not the read itself

very disappointing decision making if you are town

i agree that being reluctant to accept that i am a "straight up difference check" with a player who i barely have a read on roughly halfway through d1 is a bad way to play mafia and not just common sense

if tilgarial is town and lily is town there is almost always 1 between you

instead of accepting this to made yet another dramatic grandstand against the way I make reads

i have said multiple times t hat i think aro has a mildly higher chance of being mafia in a world where lily is town, but that i reject the implication that a world where aro is town is a world where i'm always mafia. it is extremely simple and i don't know why youre making a thing of it

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:18 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:08 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:05 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:13 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:10 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:09 am

do you think lily is town?

i think her posting right now is fine but havent seen enough to decide if she's town yet

do you think arogame's reason for voting lily was reasonable?

arogame's reasoning was basically just: "i agree with SPF", and tilg's reasoning was more or less exactly the same

i dont think that both of them are mafia (most likely), so choosing to vote for lily based on my push on her is not inherently unreasonable, if that makes sense. i think the reason why the chances of there being a wolf in aro/tilg increase if lily is town is because i think lily was an easy target for a wolf trying to get integrated into the game to park their vote on, but i dont think the reasoning itself is much of a problem

my reasoning is no different if not even less contextual so I don't know why you felt the need to dramatically reject it

i rejected the existence of the dichotomy (or trichotomy) but not the read itself

very disappointing decision making if you are town

i agree that being reluctant to accept that i am a "straight up difference check" with a player who i barely have a read on roughly halfway through d1 is a bad way to play mafia and not just common sense

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:05 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:13 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:10 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:09 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:07 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:03 am so lily is town. her explanations and play atm is just very inno.

so tilg/spf/aro always contains mafia.

i reject this difference check and if one of aro/tilg is mafia then i dont really think this reason is why

do you think lily is town?

i think her posting right now is fine but havent seen enough to decide if she's town yet

do you think arogame's reason for voting lily was reasonable?

arogame's reasoning was basically just: "i agree with SPF", and tilg's reasoning was more or less exactly the same

i dont think that both of them are mafia (most likely), so choosing to vote for lily based on my push on her is not inherently unreasonable, if that makes sense. i think the reason why the chances of there being a wolf in aro/tilg increase if lily is town is because i think lily was an easy target for a wolf trying to get integrated into the game to park their vote on, but i dont think the reasoning itself is much of a problem

my reasoning is no different if not even less contextual so I don't know why you felt the need to dramatically reject it

i rejected the existence of the dichotomy (or trichotomy) but not the read itself

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:27 am hm hm hm i kinda TR spf but im too scared to say it because then i'll be wrong

i am mafia

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:21 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:18 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:15 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:10 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:08 am my revised reads atm are probs something like

alison neon mac santy sean as villa

rondo wisp betsy as villa leans

ill probs have to go over tilgs wolf game at some point to see if my townlean there was justified but ngl their read on me felt pretty thoughtful and i cant recall if they matched anything like that last game

/vote ender

what changed ur mind about ender? iirc i thought u had him as a mild townlean last time u mentioned him

His pop in felt wolfy, mostly his vote on santy pinged me. Ender I feel is pretty thorough and has a solid process as a villager, I rate his villa game highly partly due to these things. He tends to work his way up to scumreads more slowly however the vote on santy felt pretty abrupt and oppurtunistic. I think others have also gotten more towny so that mild tr I had on him earlier doesn’t hold up as much anymore. I also think he could be your partner because of how weirded out you got when I outed that mild tr on him when again you know as villa I tend to throw out a bunch of random reads early, sometimes for weak reasons

lol i think it's funny that youre still fixated on me being weirded out by you townreading ender. the reason why i didnt engage with ur suspicion about that earlier is because i already explained that it was not about the individual reads themselves but about the amount of reads that i perceived as potentially ~pockety~ in quick succession (ie: you townreading me then ender then saying u dont sr aro anymore, etc) that made me think ur mindset was more focused on getting on good terms with ppl than pursuing suspicions like you usually do

but it seems like you either didnt read it or dont believe it so i dunno if it's worth discussing further. beyond that, i agree with you that his pop-in was wolfy and i also think the way that he backed off his townread on you once you accused him of townreading you too easily was possibly wolf-indicative too

LOL yeah i am very fixated on that still. the ironic thing is if we are v/v then we have truly fallen into our old time song and dance for d1. 1.we find each other quickly. 2. you get paranoid of me finding you 3. i get paranoid of you being paranoid of me and find something that bugs me about it and park on you for d1

it's tradition at this point tbh, it would be wrong if we broke the cycle. im pretty sure that ur town now but i imagine it will proly take u another dayphase or two to get there on me

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:15 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:10 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:08 am my revised reads atm are probs something like

alison neon mac santy sean as villa

rondo wisp betsy as villa leans

ill probs have to go over tilgs wolf game at some point to see if my townlean there was justified but ngl their read on me felt pretty thoughtful and i cant recall if they matched anything like that last game

/vote ender

what changed ur mind about ender? iirc i thought u had him as a mild townlean last time u mentioned him

His pop in felt wolfy, mostly his vote on santy pinged me. Ender I feel is pretty thorough and has a solid process as a villager, I rate his villa game highly partly due to these things. He tends to work his way up to scumreads more slowly however the vote on santy felt pretty abrupt and oppurtunistic. I think others have also gotten more towny so that mild tr I had on him earlier doesn’t hold up as much anymore. I also think he could be your partner because of how weirded out you got when I outed that mild tr on him when again you know as villa I tend to throw out a bunch of random reads early, sometimes for weak reasons

lol i think it's funny that youre still fixated on me being weirded out by you townreading ender. the reason why i didnt engage with ur suspicion about that earlier is because i already explained that it was not about the individual reads themselves but about the amount of reads that i perceived as potentially ~pockety~ in quick succession (ie: you townreading me then ender then saying u dont sr aro anymore, etc) that made me think ur mindset was more focused on getting on good terms with ppl than pursuing suspicions like you usually do

but it seems like you either didnt read it or dont believe it so i dunno if it's worth discussing further. beyond that, i agree with you that his pop-in was wolfy and i also think the way that he backed off his townread on you once you accused him of townreading you too easily was possibly wolf-indicative too

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:13 am I have had this song stuck in my head all day and now you have to suffer too

Spoiler: show

this song was stuck in my head for like 2 full months last year and i couldn't stop coming back to it. it's infectious

i think the worst part about aro is actually just him taking back his read on lily extremely fast and then switching to neon who it appears is most likely town as well

but im withholding further judgement on aro until he posts more

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:10 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:09 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:07 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:03 am so lily is town. her explanations and play atm is just very inno.

so tilg/spf/aro always contains mafia.

i reject this difference check and if one of aro/tilg is mafia then i dont really think this reason is why

do you think lily is town?

i think her posting right now is fine but havent seen enough to decide if she's town yet

do you think arogame's reason for voting lily was reasonable?

arogame's reasoning was basically just: "i agree with SPF", and tilg's reasoning was more or less exactly the same

i dont think that both of them are mafia (most likely), so choosing to vote for lily based on my push on her is not inherently unreasonable, if that makes sense. i think the reason why the chances of there being a wolf in aro/tilg increase if lily is town is because i think lily was an easy target for a wolf trying to get integrated into the game to park their vote on, but i dont think the reasoning itself is much of a problem

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:08 am my revised reads atm are probs something like

alison neon mac santy sean as villa

rondo wisp betsy as villa leans

ill probs have to go over tilgs wolf game at some point to see if my townlean there was justified but ngl their read on me felt pretty thoughtful and i cant recall if they matched anything like that last game

/vote ender

what changed ur mind about ender? iirc i thought u had him as a mild townlean last time u mentioned him

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:09 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:07 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:03 am so lily is town. her explanations and play atm is just very inno.

so tilg/spf/aro always contains mafia.

i reject this difference check and if one of aro/tilg is mafia then i dont really think this reason is why

do you think lily is town?

i think her posting right now is fine but havent seen enough to decide if she's town yet

if lily is town then i do agree that aro/tilg both sheeping my push on lily and not really providing a reason beyond: "i agree with SPF's push" looks worse for both of them but i think that creating dichotomies like that this early into the game is generally more harmful than not

if there is a maf between tilg and aro i would lean on it being aro

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:03 am so lily is town. her explanations and play atm is just very inno.

so tilg/spf/aro always contains mafia.

i reject this difference check and if one of aro/tilg is mafia then i dont really think this reason is why

lily what made you townread aro last night in the first place?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:46 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:37 pm mac do u think that porscha is outed mafia

no

do you still feel confident about santy being mafia?

i have no idea how to read neon but i trust that lily and santy are both probably not wrong about her tbh so im not voting her today

mac do u think that porscha is outed mafia

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:33 pm a hot take that i have is that i actually lightly scumread Belzy. i think that he sounds okay on a tonal level but the actual content of his posts is generally disjointed and the way that he handled his suspicion of the wisp slot in particular didnt really feel like it came from the perspective of someone who cared about wisp's alignment

they*, sorry

that sad im still kind of getting a grasp on the game atm. i townread mac and rondo and seanzie and maybe illario and my other reads are still developing

a hot take that i have is that i actually lightly scumread Belzy. i think that he sounds okay on a tonal level but the actual content of his posts is generally disjointed and the way that he handled his suspicion of the wisp slot in particular didnt really feel like it came from the perspective of someone who cared about wisp's alignment

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:27 pm Spf have you talked about your read on Tilg?

yeah i saw you ask me why i voted for tilg but then i avoided the question because it was a vote that i made because i got gut pinged by some of tilg's posting last night and decided to ~follow my instincts~ and give lily space for a while since she was posting again

but then i looked at tilg's ISO and i think it's fine so i dont actually scumread him

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staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:33 am i change my mind about ilario being town tbh. mac takes his spot in my current towncore

what made you change your mind on Ilario?

Also, I'd like ur thoughts on my recent "list of townies" with varying confidences.

i thought he had a strong start but then he had kind of a weird sequence of posts where he:

1. townread me weirdly quickly

2. posted a read on ender i thought was kind of meh because it wasnt really informative (ie: "i think ender is fine so far apart from these things that Werent Fine")

3. a townread on belzdy w/out explanation

4. him dropping his wolfread on you kind of weirdly quickly after u all started engaging with me

there's nothing super wrong with any of these posts, just dont see much evidence of scumhunting in them and think ilario could be just playing to pocket ppl and that i cleared him too easily

ur townread on mac is fine and i agree

ur townread on illario i just discussed

ur townread on nook is fine and i agree

dont really have a read on wisp yet but he hasn't actively pinged me so i suppose that's something

dont have a read on ender yet

think that rondo sounds nearly identical to the king of the hill mafia game we just played so without looking into his meta further i think he's town

You are pushing Aro here but you are voting Lily now. Do you think they are partnered or if not who could be? Or have you moved to Aro town?

well to be clear, at the time i made that post, i did think that aro was town because the way he reacted to my push on him was out of character and overly aggressive in a way i thought was town indicative

but then once he revealed it was a reaction test then i felt less good about the townread because i realized it wasn't him authentically just getting angry about him pushing on me but him putting on a performance to make it "look" like he was angry, which i guess i read as less towny by default

so tbh i actually am rather torn on aro's alignment at the moment - i think his content has broadly been "fine" but dont really perceive him to have done anything particularly town indicative, and i think he's the type of player ill figure out more easily as the game goes on

i do also want to note that my only real concern about alison's posts so far is how she wolfread aro for his reaction testing being "performative" as though performative isnt the laziest buzzword of all time that doesnt really tell me anything about your actual thoughts behind aro's posts. felt shallow in a way that alison's reads typically are not, but i got the sense there was more behind her scumread on aro that she wasn't really explaining

Is there a reason you didnt push her on/for it? Or did you come to that conclusion later?

it's something i only picked up on within the last few hours and i have been too low energy to push for anything in the last few hours lol

but hey im making content now! go me

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:28 am I've cooled on my illario townread, will consider again later.

i thought this post from ender was towny on first impression bcuz it's rare for a wolf to just naturally re-assess one of their townreads without being specifically prompted to

but then i realized the only reason ender changed his townread on illario is probably because illario specifically called out that ender's townread on illario was wolfy

which kind of makes me think that ender did it to appease illario and keep illario on his good side and not because he was genuinely weighing illario's alignment

im also kind of skeptical of how real ender's townread on illario was in the first place considering that the posts that he called illario towny for were barely or only tangentially related to the actual game

so yeah he could be mafia

havent really read illario's posts closely since our exchange last night but him getting overly hung up on me getting paranoid about him and then getting scared that i was trying to replicate our dynamic as T v T is an overly convoluted scumread/suspicion in a way that is probably town indicative for him. i also generally just think that he's playing closer to my perception of illario d1 town meta where he is deliberately keeping a low presence and staying outside of the main wagons and seems to be perceiving himself as an Observer rather than a participant

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arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:34 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:33 am i change my mind about ilario being town tbh. mac takes his spot in my current towncore

what made you change your mind on Ilario?

Also, I'd like ur thoughts on my recent "list of townies" with varying confidences.

i thought he had a strong start but then he had kind of a weird sequence of posts where he:

1. townread me weirdly quickly

2. posted a read on ender i thought was kind of meh because it wasnt really informative (ie: "i think ender is fine so far apart from these things that Werent Fine")

3. a townread on belzdy w/out explanation

4. him dropping his wolfread on you kind of weirdly quickly after u all started engaging with me

there's nothing super wrong with any of these posts, just dont see much evidence of scumhunting in them and think ilario could be just playing to pocket ppl and that i cleared him too easily

ur townread on mac is fine and i agree

ur townread on illario i just discussed

ur townread on nook is fine and i agree

dont really have a read on wisp yet but he hasn't actively pinged me so i suppose that's something

dont have a read on ender yet

think that rondo sounds nearly identical to the king of the hill mafia game we just played so without looking into his meta further i think he's town

You are pushing Aro here but you are voting Lily now. Do you think they are partnered or if not who could be? Or have you moved to Aro town?

well to be clear, at the time i made that post, i did think that aro was town because the way he reacted to my push on him was out of character and overly aggressive in a way i thought was town indicative

but then once he revealed it was a reaction test then i felt less good about the townread because i realized it wasn't him authentically just getting angry about him pushing on me but him putting on a performance to make it "look" like he was angry, which i guess i read as less towny by default

so tbh i actually am rather torn on aro's alignment at the moment - i think his content has broadly been "fine" but dont really perceive him to have done anything particularly town indicative, and i think he's the type of player ill figure out more easily as the game goes on

i do also want to note that my only real concern about alison's posts so far is how she wolfread aro for his reaction testing being "performative" as though performative isnt the laziest buzzword of all time that doesnt really tell me anything about your actual thoughts behind aro's posts. felt shallow in a way that alison's reads typically are not, but i got the sense there was more behind her scumread on aro that she wasn't really explaining

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arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:34 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:33 am i change my mind about ilario being town tbh. mac takes his spot in my current towncore

what made you change your mind on Ilario?

Also, I'd like ur thoughts on my recent "list of townies" with varying confidences.

i thought he had a strong start but then he had kind of a weird sequence of posts where he:

1. townread me weirdly quickly

2. posted a read on ender i thought was kind of meh because it wasnt really informative (ie: "i think ender is fine so far apart from these things that Werent Fine")

3. a townread on belzdy w/out explanation

4. him dropping his wolfread on you kind of weirdly quickly after u all started engaging with me

there's nothing super wrong with any of these posts, just dont see much evidence of scumhunting in them and think ilario could be just playing to pocket ppl and that i cleared him too easily

ur townread on mac is fine and i agree

ur townread on illario i just discussed

ur townread on nook is fine and i agree

dont really have a read on wisp yet but he hasn't actively pinged me so i suppose that's something

dont have a read on ender yet

think that rondo sounds nearly identical to the king of the hill mafia game we just played so without looking into his meta further i think he's town

You are pushing Aro here but you are voting Lily now. Do you think they are partnered or if not who could be? Or have you moved to Aro town?

well to be clear, at the time i made that post, i did think that aro was town because the way he reacted to my push on him was out of character and overly aggressive in a way i thought was town indicative

but then once he revealed it was a reaction test then i felt less good about the townread because i realized it wasn't him authentically just getting angry about him pushing on me but him putting on a performance to make it "look" like he was angry, which i guess i read as less towny by default

so tbh i actually am rather torn on aro's alignment at the moment - i think his content has broadly been "fine" but dont really perceive him to have done anything particularly town indicative, and i think he's the type of player ill figure out more easily as the game goes on

i vaguely think that seanzie is town as well but not really for any meta reason - i just thought the specific attitude he projected of like: "you can't tell me how to play this game and if you don't like it then vote me" was towny and that wolves usually react to being pressured in a more appeasing/concilstory way

i do think that rondo is V

i want to contribute and post thoughts but im feeling particularly low energy tonight and kind of struggling to tbh

maybe in an hour or two

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:10 pm i wish there was someone i didnt like in the lobby just so i could guilt free tunnel a slot d1

ill most likely keep my vote on spf or ender today...perhaps aro but nott really because id feel bad if he flips town after the big effort he went with to work with me

stop pushing on me tbh

Millium wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:44 pm [VOTE: Lily] aubergine

why?