The Syndicate

it does feel quite a lot like esooa is boxed in - even if she did want to throw in the towel today and give up, i would still expect her to have a scumread or a thought about who the wolves might be or literally ~anything~ other than bitter resignation

we've entered the stage of the game where im tinfoiling the leetic/ilario slot but ill probably change my mind in like an hour

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:38 am Nutella is squarely in her lamist town meta and has been the whole game

also, it isn't that uncommon for mac to strongly townread his partners, but mac accused so many people of TMI'ing nutella as town throughout the game that i think it's pretty easy to view it as him TMI'ing nutella as town

im worried that im misreading nutella and that everyone else is right but im still not really feeling it

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:26 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:23 pm i might yeah, i'm p much equally fine with anne/naa chops

i think anne is straight up wolfy on play, i do see some argument for her being town on wagonomics but again her d1 wagon was pretty pure imo and w/w wagons are more common than ppl think so it means little to me when shes the least towny person in the game

i think naa has had some glimmers of townie perspective but i have close to no experience with him and something seems slimy/off about how hes engaged with people, maybe i expect him to be more abrasive as town and maybe thats not fair but he's hard poe and his views of the game are fairly incoherent to me
I can at least guarantee there are no wolves voting for naa right meow

one minor point in nutella's favor is that i felt like mac was kinda trying to manipulate nutella into voting for NAA in this post

which also makes me a little more paranoid about anne lol

for posterity:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:38 pm Town

falcon
iaafr
Lime coke
Nutella

Prob town but weh

Jay
spf
Marmot
wilgy
Axe

Haven't seen them post

Anne

Kill in

Dyslexicon
Cassandra
leetic

if I've missed anyone they're null too I guess

you can flip me now

*farts*

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:22 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:21 pm if ur town then who's mafia, esooa?
NAA

if NAA flips town would u agree to self-vote?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:00 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:57 pm can someone walk me through why iaaft is being considered for his claim? i feel like i missed something
P1: Loyal means the action will fail when used on a player of a different alignment.
P2: iaafr used his dayvig on NotAnAxehole, who flipped town.
P3: This is not a bastard game.
C: iaafr is clear town.

okay thanks for explaining, im fine w/rolling with that and i think he's probably town anyway

if ur town then who's mafia, esooa?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:57 pm can someone walk me through why iaaft is being considered clear for his claim? i feel like i missed something

fixed

can someone walk me through why iaaft is being considered for his claim? i feel like i missed something

it's probably just esooa/wilgy and then maybe dizzy if one of those two is town

be back later

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:26 pm spf my eod was clearing for me because i dont usually bus as mafia in that manner, but i wont dispute whatever youre saying

yeah i mean i think it looked pretty towny for you, im just not at "bet the game" levels

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:24 pm Clear: iaafr
Lock town: Marmot, LC, anne
Town: spf, Wilgy
Others: nutella, Esooa, Dyslexicon

We can do this.

remove anne from locktown imo - i agree that her being the counterwagon to a wolf 2 days in a row looks good for her overall but i dont think she's at the same level of marmot/LC

did drwilgy ever claim how many shots he had? why didnt he shoot tonight?

that's the second day in a row where ive ended with my vote on a wolf, so anyone that still thinks im mafia just let me continue burying the rest of my team pls

ill figure this game out later

you would probably call it wolfy if i sat back and ~didnt~ push for my reads so that reasoning feels disingenuous in general

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:58 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:58 am
anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:57 am if mac flips town we can turbo spf
why do i feel like im being set up?
besides me youre pushing mac the most, its only common sense fmpov anyways

that doesnt make sense though, maf would be incentivized to sit back rn and watch the chaos instead of trying to push the chop in a specific direction

i think mac is a wolf and it should be obvious why i think that regardless of what he flips

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:57 am if mac flips town we can turbo spf

why do i feel like im being set up?

gonna reiterate that i think mac is the optimal chop today but im reluctant to try to powertown

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:53 am Everyone wants to flip Mac, everyone seems to expect Mac and Falcon will flip T/T

i think that mac will flip wolf

The Art Of The Deal

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:51 am if i vote mac and 2 town players die, will you accept being turbo'd tomorrow, spf?

no

i have a very harsh "im gay" tell

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:49 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:47 am
cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:46 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:46 am
cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:45 am [VOTE: IAAFR] aubergine
why do you go from saying you wanna vote Mac but not cause of Anne then now you vote iaafr
i don't want falcon to die
if mac is a wolf then falcon needs to die in this game anyway, so i dont think this is a good reason to not vote mac
why? i think falc is town regardless of mac's alignment

i agree that falc is probably town, but if mac is a wolf, then he needs to get chopped by us at some point in this game, which also means that falcon needs to die at some point in this game. so, i dont think not wanting falcon to die is a good reason on its own to not vote for mac

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:46 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:46 am
cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:45 am [VOTE: IAAFR] aubergine
why do you go from saying you wanna vote Mac but not cause of Anne then now you vote iaafr
i don't want falcon to die

if mac is a wolf then falcon needs to die in this game anyway, so i dont think this is a good reason to not vote mac

i keep circling back to mac probably just being a wolf, so i guess that's where im at

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:33 am esooa is probably not with anne bc dont think she'd bother defending her in this way as W/W

i dunno about that, ive seen esooa defend her partners pretty aggressively before, especially when theyre in danger of being chopped. my main concern about esooa rn is just how wildly different our perspectives are, and i dont like that she's pushing on marmot still when i think he's pretty clearly town

let's have thread naptime and come back to this in like 24 hours imo

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:32 am anne is a wolf

how confident are you?

anne who do u want to kill today?

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:30 am this rly is just going to be a game where a wolf dies day 1 and people go off on tunnels for fun and we lose

anne shouldn't be a top wagon

who should be?

actually nah i still think the mac wagon is better lol

i might just trust my townreads and end up on anne tbh, ive felt weirdly hesitant about joining her wagon and im not sure why

the mac wagon is based

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:24 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:21 am gonna reiterate again that JJJ did not have a towncore, and only posted a list of townreads once when he was specifically prompted to by another player. someone can correct me if im wrong but it's important that we play based on what actually happened in this game
It's still pretty likely for wolves to sneak one of their own into such lists, but I will admit that it's not a 100% guarantee

i dont disagree, but there's a big degree of separation between: "jagged had a towncore" and "jagged posted a list of 6 townreads in exactly one post after he was prompted to by one player", and it was tripping me up that people were treating it like the former

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:23 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:22 am what if iaafr/mac are wolves and mac made that sudden case on iaafr on d1 to distance from him?

lol
doesnt mac hard shield partners tho?

not necessarily in my experience, it depends on partner/the context of the game

i got pinged hard by dyslexicon earlier when he agreed with nutella that i was "poking at the wrong stuff" when he was poking at an EXTREMELY similar thing to me on the exact same page, but i think he's been towny otherwise and i dont want to kill him today

what if iaafr/mac are wolves and mac made that sudden case on iaafr on d1 to distance from him?

lol

gonna reiterate again that JJJ did not have a towncore, and only posted a list of townreads once when he was specifically prompted to by another player. someone can correct me if im wrong but it's important that we play based on what actually happened in this game

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:13 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:12 am
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:10 am Nutella fypov if ur town spf and bunny are ur ccs so one of them has to be mafia to you and rn I’m leaning bunny over spf I don’t think jjj would put 6 town in his towncore considering how much he believes in forming a towncore and yeeting those outside I’m certain he would have tried to spew one of his partners town.

What do you mean, why are spf and bunny ccs to nutella?
Jjj outed a towncore of me lc alexa nutella bunny spf. The first three are town. The next three he barely gave any decent reasons for and I’m sure he tried to sneak Atleast one partner into that list

no youre wrong lol you need to read the context of jagged's "towncore" - he didn't post it until he was explicitly prompted to by another player and he was reluctant to emphasize his townreads on anyone on that list throughout the entirety of d1. if jagged was trying to build a towncore with a wolf in it like you claim he was, then he wouldnt have refused to post his townreads throughout the majority of d1 and then timidly outed it once falcon prompted him to

i do think that bunny could be a wolf but this is bad reasoning

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:12 am i mean i probably vote iaafr here over other wagons just because my trs are on there, iaafr is voting me for bad/non-existent reasons, but spf just showing up and being like "um let's stick according to original plan" is like

why is that scummy?

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:11 am are we sure its not spf

more importantly, dont you think that it's me? you scumread me earlier today iirc so im not sure where your read on me went

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:10 am Nutella fypov if ur town spf and bunny are ur ccs so one of them has to be mafia to you and rn I’m leaning bunny over spf I don’t think jjj would put 6 town in his towncore considering how much he believes in forming a towncore and yeeting those outside I’m certain he would have tried to spew one of his partners town.

illario stop putting me into dichotomies with other players challenge 2021

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:10 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:09 am cassandra
illario/leetic
lime coke
nutella
marmot

^^^just town

falcon

^^^town (gets his own tier because of mac W/W tinfoil and because of his flip-flop on me but i think his posting is individually towny regardless)

dyslexicon
esooa
iaafr

^^gotten townpings from all of these players but there's probably a wolf here

notanaxehole
anne
macdougall

^^^^contains at least one wolf
If Axehole/anne/MacDougall contains at least one wolf, who is that wolf?

mac is still probably just a wolf. his posting a couple of pages ago felt hilariously bad faith and like a caricature of how he plays as town. his readslist on d1 felt like he was trying to flare up paranoia and push the game into the wrong direction, and i've seen zero glimpses of genuine solving/scumhunting from him. he's my preferred chop today even though it seems like people dont want to kill him for whatever reason

im running on 3 hours of sleep so my brain capacity is limited but im determined to stay up through the EOD anyway lol

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:09 am cassandra
illario/leetic
lime coke
nutella
marmot

^^^just town

falcon

^^^town (gets his own tier because of mac W/W tinfoil and because of his flip-flop on me but i think his posting is individually towny regardless)

dyslexicon
esooa
iaafr

^^gotten townpings from all of these players but there's probably a wolf here

notanaxehole
anne
macdougall

^^^^contains at least one wolf

oh i forgot to include wilgy

he would be in the townpings tier

cassandra
illario/leetic
lime coke
nutella
marmot

^^^just town

falcon

^^^town (gets his own tier because of mac W/W tinfoil and because of his flip-flop on me but i think his posting is individually towny regardless)

dyslexicon
esooa
iaafr

^^gotten townpings from all of these players but there's probably a wolf here

notanaxehole
anne
macdougall

^^^^contains at least one wolf

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:02 am i didn't get through his full iso yet but i think he may be maf and like a shadow of his town self this game

i had the thought earlier of: "if there's a deepwolf in my townreads then it's probably iaafr" but i havent explored the thought much beyond that yet

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