The Syndicate

the narrative that i wasnt a "main pusher" of dyachei when i was one of the very first people to call them out and when i argued RELENTESSLY against other people townreading them is just absolutely ridiculous, honestly

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:13 am

outed wolf wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:32 am what do you think of dya spf, specifically (not like you agree with arguments others make, whats your interpretation.thoughts on their posts)

i feel like dyachei came into this game with pre-packaged stances, and has spent the entirety of today reiterating them. their reads are reasonable and they come from a perspective that is logical for a villager to have - i just feel like something is missing wrt their reads developing and changing in a fluid way. dyachei's strongest townread is on tangygrowth, a read that was initially just described as tangy being "pure", and read that was later expanded upon to include the reasoning of: "her wallpost contained a lot of detail that wolves wouldn't think to write"

and like, yes, i agree that tangy is towny, but i don't feel like dyachei went on a ~journey~ to figure tangy out. i don't feel like dyachei went on a ~journey~ to figure alison out. their reads just kind of pop into existence, and i can't find any "turning points" in their ISO for when a read might have developed more strongly or more confidently. the surface level stuff is there, and it definitely looks good, but i just don't feel like the internal thought processes that villagers tend to have are reflected in dyachei's reads so far. they feel much more point A to point B to me

i've been struggling w/my read on dyachei because i greatly dislike the idea of pushing on them when theyre a villager, and i mindmelded with them earlier about c4 being villagery, but i've been getting pinged by them for a little while now

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:23 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:15 pm like why would my read on alison change because what I thought yesterday actually happened spf

well, if you're a villager, then it's logical that your read on alison would stay the same coming into today. the issue isn't that your read on alison is staying the same - it's just that i don't get the sense that your reads are evolving in Real Time - it's making me wonder if you're a wolf that's sticking to the same couple of reads because it's a lot more difficult to fake genuine solving as a wolf in a playerlist like this. i also feel that some of your points about alison are questionable (like the point about alison knowing that you were calling gavial anti-town - why do you assume that alison was informed by her partners that you called gavial that, instead of assuming that alison was just catching up with the thread in an unusual manner? it seems to me like you're interpreting that action through the lens of alison already being a wolf, instead of evaluating it neutrally)

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 2:40 am

sunbae wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 2:30 am SPF,

I posted a tiered breakdown of where my head is at. Let's talk about my "hopefully 0 wolf" tier: Outed Wolf, Arete, and Dya. I have spent posts on each of the three today explaining exactly why I think their approach or specific interactions was significantly more likely to come from town than wolf. Do you have any specific issues with those reasons?

I have grouped a poe together which I'm hoping contains at least two wolves: Chloe, Dsyl, Nutella, Marl, and Alison. I have spent many posts going back and forth on both Marl and Alison this game. Once I decided Dya was a villager I moved Alison down because I trust Dya to be right on these types of reads. I talked about Marl quite a bit - including my experience with them and how this differs - which was understood by Marl and explained as just being in a different part of their cycle. I also pointed out specifically the posts of Nutella that gave me large amounts of concern - which Nutella also said was understandable from my point of view and has no problems with it. Why do you have an issue with my take on the game state if the people I am suspicious of understand that suspicion from my pov?

As for my KZA comment, I didn't ask to be cleared off of it. I just rolled in and said "hey based on bringing up KZA in response to another wagon we could go to do I have the ability to just chill for most of the day without yall getting paranoid on me". The answer it seems, is no unfortunately. That's the game though, it's fine.

I am well aware my reads list is different from everyone elses. I feel pretty good about it though? I might not have it 100% locked down but I think It's a good starting point.

honestly? i do have some mild concern/confusion about your reasoning for townreading dya. you state on reason number one of this post: https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 08#p801608 that dyachei would never make this post: https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 91#p799591, but i don't really understand why. there is nothing about that post that moves me in either direction and i'm curious why you think that specific post is out of dyachei's wolfrange

i dont really agree that the second point is clearing for dyachei either - it feels like the argument can be summed up as: "dyachei's suspicion on alison grew incrementally as d1 went on, and it reflects the way that dyachei pushes on people as a villager", and that's true, i guess, but why is it impossible for dyachei to have a progression like that as a wolf? you can argue that dyachei's progression on alison was fluid/incremental enough to be villager indicative, but i struggle to understand how you come out with the result of: "i am confident that dyachei is town" based on that

if you've explained why you feel these posts are villager indicative beyond the post i just linked, then mb, but that seems to be your main reasoning for townreading dyachei, yeah?

i'm not saying that dyachei can't be a villager - your conviction actually makes me more doubtful of my own read on them and has been a factor in my decision to cast a wide net w/my solving today in the case that i've been misreading them, but i just don't really understand the train of thought in your reasoning for tr'ing them

i do actually kinda townread this response from you but i dont know if i know why. there's a sharpness to the tone here that just feels villagery i guess

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:17 am @sunbae -

you are definitely right that i feel good about you in the moment whenever we interact and then circle back around to feeling paranoid about you again a couple of hours later - i think it's because most of the reasons that i have to townread you are based on a feeling, you know? like, it's hard for me to use the logic of: "sunbae feels really genuine and really passionate" as a foundation for any of my reads, especially when you presumably have a reputation for being an amazing wolf, but i DO feel that you're villagery in the moment. i feel it right now

wrt to dya's post toward gavial, i disagree in the sense that as you pointed out, dyachei was clearly irritated at that stage of the game because of them being told how to play. i can only speak for myself, but if i'm in a bad/grumpy mood and i'm feeling really irritated, then there's a chance that i'm gonna lash out at whoever says something that rubs me the wrong way regardless of my own alignment. anger and irritation can come out in indiscriminate ways regardless of alignment, and i just disagree with you on a fundamental level that it's possible to get alignment indicative information out of irritation like that

i'm not there with you on dyachei's progression on alison being town indicative for them, but i'll make a note to take another look at it to see if i can see what you're seeing. like i said, i'm open to considering worlds where dyachei is a villager, i suppose i just haven't seen anything that has pushed me to that place

the most villagery thing about nutella, meta aside, is the way that she zeroed in on kza from the very beginning of the game, and the way that kza tried to play around her. nutella had lots of experience w/kza and immediately noticed that something was "off", and kza effectively ignored her concerns while just lazily brushing off nutella as a villager. nutella continued to dig in her heels throughout the day with her wolfread on kza, and i think the way that she consistently brought attention to it and brought it up before p much anyone else did deserves some level of towncred. i can see your concern about her posts at the EOD but i feel about equally as confident that nutella is a villager that you do that dyachei is a villager

there's more that i want to say but my brain is so tired and i need to call it a night

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 4:31 pm

Arete wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 4:07 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:14 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 12:32 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 12:31 pm I call Alison a villager, then she re-enters the thread and does this.

yeah alison isn't a villager

like this doesn't ever come from a wolf pushing town does it



lol me



i probably owe you numerous apologies dya

oh right also I forgot to say this earlier but this is like

the easiest thing ever to fake

like I don't even have a strong wolfgame but I am capable of confidently stating a villager is a wolf as scum

if this is out of Dya's wolfrange then sure, I'll listen, but I would find it surprising on priors if it were

yeah uh....i was really baffled by that post from nutella too. the post that dyachei made there is 100% within the wolfrange of anyone who has played more than one game of mafia, even completely independent of my read on dyachei. if alison is a wolf then i get it more, i guess

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:07 pm that makes two days in a row where I ended the day with dyachei as one of my strongest suspects, only to not feel confident to push the momentum in the direction of their chop

im done with that. i want dya gone today and if they're a villager then I take responsibility for it

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 10:45 pm i take no issue w/dya being inactive and i trust that they are genuinely busy regardless of their alignment. i feel that their opening posts today are wolfy because they lack the perspective of a villager that just incorrectly tunneled on another villager for 2 days straight - it felt to me like they were more interested in figuring out who to set their sights on next instead of re-evaluating the game as a whole and figuring out where to go from there. there is a lack of general consideration and a lack of holistic thinking in dyachei's posts that make me feel like they're a wolf above all else. of course, i am open to changing my mind if they start towntelling, but as things stand, i think that they're just a wolf

i have some other stuff to say, but it can wait. i probably won't be posting for the rest of the night but feel free to @ me if needed

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 5:29 am cool

i wanna chop dyachei and go from there

^^this is not how i talk about my partner in any world

outed wolf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:39 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:37 pm outed wolf, do you have a primary wolfread rn?

i do not

gth, who's the last wolf?

outed wolf, do you have a primary wolfread rn?

if you want to apply simple occam's razor, c4 has never misread me in a game before. nutella has wolfread me at various points in almost every game we've played. i don't say that to discredit nutella, but rather to imply that the world that requires the least amount of assumptions is that if c4 is a villager, then he's reading me correctly

i should stop wasting my postcount on this :P

outed wolf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:08 pm
i would look at how others treated dya more than how dya treated other people

you said yesterday that you took a look at how other people treated dya (even though you didnt take notes) - what did you take from it? any observations on your mind?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:04 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:00 pm -but you don't know whether or not i meant to put vulgard on my townleans or my townreads, do you? it should be obvious that i was debating which tier to put him on and accidentally left him on both - the exact same mistake that i made with amy. the fact that i did NOT move vulgard down to my townleans (to my memory, actually) pokes a giant hole in your entire argument

no, because in literally all of your other posts hes one of your highest townreads. theres no reason he would be in the second tier rather than the first, it's inconsistent with everything else you say about him

you think it's impossible for me to briefly consider moving one of my strongest townreads from a townread to a townlean, only to decide to continue townreading them?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:53 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:49 pm @nutella - just a few things:

-you're objectively wrong about "this list has one wolf maximum" being a tell for me in either direction - this is a phrase/strategy that i've used consistently in my last couple of village games, and i can link you to the games where i've used them if that would really help you

-i accidentally included amy on two tiers on one of my readslist on d2. does that mean that i'm partnered with amy? what is my wolf motivation for putting vulgard twice on the same list by accident? that doesn't even make sense lol

-yeah i mean, i didn't aggressively hardtunnel on dya while going "YOURE MAFIA!!!!!!", but my suspicion of them was consistent and constant. when i said that their alignment would become more obvious as the game went on, i was right, and that was reflected in the fact that i became more and more certain that dya was a wolf as the game went on. if you're looking for a moment where i absolutely buried dyachei then you're looking at me with the entirely wrong approach - i don't usually hardtunnel people in games, and especially not players like dyachei who i am consistently worried about misreading

your post against me reeks of someone confirmation biasing themselves into the same paranoid tinfoil read that they've been entertaining for several dayphases, and i doubt that i can talk you out of it at this point tbh

- okay, your phrasing here about it being objectively not a tell in either direction sounds kinda like wolf pov but w/e
- i don't care. this specific instance is bad because you specifically said there was a wolf in the townleans and i think thats the only reason you would have moved vulgard down into townleans bc you had tmi
- ok. you said you'd pull some posts that you think make it clear you're not w/w with dya, lets see those pls

-your response to my first point here is a good example of why i feel that you're confirmation biasing yourself - you would not interpret that post as me speaking from a "wolf POV" unless you were already looking at me through a negative lens

-but you don't know whether or not i meant to put vulgard on my townleans or my townreads, do you? it should be obvious that i was debating which tier to put him on and accidentally left him on both - the exact same mistake that i made with amy. the fact that i did NOT move vulgard down to my townleans (to my memory, actually) pokes a giant hole in your entire argument

-it's really about the general trajectory more than specific posts - you saw me bus 3/4 of my wolfteam in Cov, right? you saw the way that i very loudly and very theatrically "cased" my partners and created wagons against them for the sole purpose of reaping as much townread as possible, right? do you feel that my treatment of dyachei in this game is in any way comparable? the answer is probably "no" - the fact is that my treatment of dyachei in this game is probably underwhelming compared to how i treat my partners when i'm a wolf, and that's exactly why people tend to incorrectly townread me when i'm a wolf and incorrectly scumread me when i'm a villager

as for specific posts, i'd have to do some digging, but the most obvious moments should be me directly calling attention to how dyachei's read on alison was illogical and bad (something that would be bad for me to do in the world you propose where i am trying to set up alison/dyachei as W/W), dyachei defending me from c4's wolfread on me extremely early on, dyachei going out of their way to find a "good post" from me after i called them out for trying to keep me in their POE, etc etc

remember that time in bread mafia when nutella (a villager) pushed on SPF (a villager) by quoting posts from grasslands (where SPF was a wolf) and saying how similar the language is?

cause i do :P

@nutella - just a few things:

-you're objectively wrong about "this list has one wolf maximum" being a tell for me in either direction - this is a phrase/strategy that i've used consistently in my last couple of village games, and i can link you to the games where i've used them if that would really help you

-i accidentally included amy on two tiers on one of my readslist on d2. does that mean that i'm partnered with amy? what is my wolf motivation for putting vulgard twice on the same list by accident? that doesn't even make sense lol

-yeah i mean, i didn't aggressively hardtunnel on dya while going "YOURE MAFIA!!!!!!", but my suspicion of them was consistent and constant. when i said that their alignment would become more obvious as the game went on, i was right, and that was reflected in the fact that i became more and more certain that dya was a wolf as the game went on. if you're looking for a moment where i absolutely buried dyachei then you're looking at me with the entirely wrong approach - i don't usually hardtunnel people in games, and especially not players like dyachei who i am consistently worried about misreading

your post against me reeks of someone confirmation biasing themselves into the same paranoid tinfoil read that they've been entertaining for several dayphases, and i doubt that i can talk you out of it at this point tbh

hello

i will do my best to avoid responding to suspicion toward me today, because it tends to irk me a bit and distracts me from doing the solving that would be beneficial for the entire game. (although i will towncase myself if it would be beneficial overall - i think the frustration i had yesterday stemmed from the feeling that nobody had closely read my progression on dya, which is the thing in this game that i feel should clear me as a villager in just about every world.)

i have a limited amount of free time this week especially, and that really cripples my ability to do my ~process~ in the same way that i like to do when i have a lot of time on my hands. even so, here's my plan for today:

we have three chops left. if i can narrow down the wolves in this game to two possible names, then i can allow myself to be chopped and force everyone else to follow my legacy once i flip. the goal for today, then, is to narrow down my POE to exactly two names. i'll try to provide an answer for this at the end of these 48 hours

im gay

Marluxion wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:50 pm @staypositivefriend can you show me what posts you made about dya that you think wouldn't come from you as a wolf?

if the game isnt over in 5 minutes, then yeah

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:51 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:50 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:48 pm another thing about spf, she talked about how hard she went after dya but... i dont remember that really, obv i'm a bit biased but i feel like visor and i were the main pushers of dya throughout the game

oh come on now, dya was my top scumread for 3 entire days and i made a point of bringing up my concerns about them constantly. i've accepted that i'm not getting "cleared" for my push (even though i honestly should), but to say that i wasn't a primary pusher of them is just factually untrue

why should you get cleared for the push when youre a hard busser by meta

"SPF busses as a wolf" doesn't mean that i'm not allowed to get towncred when i spend the entirety of the game pushing for a wolf to get killed - my trajectory on dya (and the way that dya played around me) should make it very obvious that we aren't W/W. i constantly interrogated dya and kept pressure on them while still never being fully confident about their alignment (because i dont have TMI)

if im gonna hardbus my partner for an ENTIRE game, then you can be sure that you're going to remember my push when all things are said and done. the fact that you presumably don't even remember me pushing on dya should indicate to you that my push wasnt an attempt at theatre or an attempt to townclear myself

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:48 pm another thing about spf, she talked about how hard she went after dya but... i dont remember that really, obv i'm a bit biased but i feel like visor and i were the main pushers of dya throughout the game

oh come on now, dya was my top scumread for 3 entire days and i made a point of bringing up my concerns about them constantly. i've accepted that i'm not getting "cleared" for my push (even though i honestly should), but to say that i wasn't a primary pusher of them is just factually untrue

bronana wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:28 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:26 pm i dont really believe in my heart that syn is a wolf even though i think it's entirely possible

so im in that awkward inbetween state where i dont quite have the time to figure out who i would wanna chop in a world where syn doesnt get killed, but where syn being killed doesn't feel exactly right to me

hopefully it's just syn and im just being silly

weren't you coming in hard saying the neighbor chat was wolfy and he was lying about it? why do you think he's town and why did you only bring this up after 46 hours?

yeah i mean, i do think that his reads have been wolfy and haven't made any sense, but he hasn't been posting like a final wolf that's guaranteed to die. i just don't fully feel it but i hope im just getting meme'd on

i dont really believe in my heart that syn is a wolf even though i think it's entirely possible

so im in that awkward inbetween state where i dont quite have the time to figure out who i would wanna chop in a world where syn doesnt get killed, but where syn being killed doesn't feel exactly right to me

hopefully it's just syn and im just being silly

bronana wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:00 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:57 pm i dont get how you think my push on dyachei could ever be a bus, in general

the last game i played was mountain climbing mafia, surely that was a wilder bus than any possible bus in this game lol.

btw, isn't this around the time you said you'd be able to lock in my alignment ... ?

yeah i mean, crazy busses happen, but context is important lol, there were probably clues that hinted at schizo/alexa hardbussing each other even if they were very difficult to find

also yeah, i think that youre town

Arete wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:59 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:57 pm i dont get how you think my push on dyachei could ever be a bus, in general

someone in champs spec chat mentioned like a month ago that you really like bussing

I guess I don't actually know if that's true

oh that's definitely true, i tend to hardbus a lot when i'm a wolf, but it's usually done w/the intent to maximize as much towncred as possible - whereas my push in dyachei this game was more like: "this person is kinda obviously a wolf to me and i'm just going to continue focusing on them until everyone else comes to their senses", there would be more flashiness and struggles to hold back my TMI in a world where i committed to hardbussing dyachei in that way

i think it's odd that you presumably have a very obvious reason to townread me (ie: "spf pushed on a wolf across multiple dayphases"), but you're deliberately preventing yourself from townreading me for that because of meta, instead of evaluating the push individually of your meta on me and determining if you think it's W/W

i dont get how you think my push on dyachei could ever be a bus, in general

i encourage someone who has the time to make a post similar to the one that i made that explores the interactions between dyachei/the players here, but from the players side and not dyachei's side

dunno if anyone will though

bronana wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:41 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:36 pm i mean, i don't disagree that i've been "low impact" - i have a lot going on IRL. but i've contributed what i can in the limited time that i have to really put my head into a mafia game, and i've pushed on a wolf for two-three days straight, so shrug

shrug, i'm sure it's reasonable fypov as a villa

i'm just a bit paranoid of the possibility of the bussing wolf who then doesnt know what to post after their teammates are dead

this is the part of the game where i can flap my gums endlessly with all kinds of exploring edge cases and possiblities etc as a villager, and as a wolf where my reads stagnate and i'm more like can you clowns hurry up and mislunch already

ftr, you can be assured that my lack of activity is completely, 100% non-alignment indicative. i don't struggle to fake content as a wolf

i mean, i don't disagree that i've been "low impact" - i have a lot going on IRL. but i've contributed what i can in the limited time that i have to really put my head into a mafia game, and i've pushed on a wolf for two-three days straight, so shrug

absolutely fantastic x-post

main things i noticed:

-kinda felt like dyachei was using bronana as a sounding board to reiterate their reads and look cleaner throughout the game - the way that they said "exactly" to zack's defense of them and occasionally chimed in to make leading comments toward zack feels more like a wolf trying to pocket a villager than it does w/w interaction

-dya's switch on c4 felt like it came primarily from a place of opportunism - i think that dya's early read on c4 being different from CoV was TMI

-leaning on dya's treatment of nutella being TMI as well

-i was ready to say that dya/syn weren't aligned, because dya constantly went out of their way to townread and hard defend the tan slot in the early stages of the game. their read on tan did a turnaround in a way that i'm struggling to wrap my head around

here's some stuff i wrote about the interactions from everyone in this game on dya's side - i had to rush it toward the end cause im running out of time, but these are the posts i found the most notable/interesting:

arete - dya makes their first direct reference to arete in this post: https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 65#p800165, and puts them in the “dunno what to do with” tier.

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 16#p803416 - this is the first time that arete and dyachei directly interact. it’s a fairly standard interaction

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 06#p803706 - dyachei somewhat dodges a question from arete about their read on c4

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 65#p803965 - puts arete third to last on their readslist

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 11#p804211 - another softball interaction

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 26#p805126 - dyachei says that “arete has the want”, but i’m confused about what they’re saying about arete even with the context. i think they’re riffing off of sunbae’s post and saying that arete genuinely believes that vulgard is town?

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 47#p806647 - dyachei explains their switch off of vulgard to arete

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 34#p807034 - there’s an entire exchange around this post where dyachei starts lolcatting and arete seems genuinely baffled about whether or not dyachei is hardclaiming wolf - worth looking at

bronana -

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 16#p797916 - dyachei asks bronana a fairly standard interrogation question early on

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 60#p798660 - answers a prompt from bronana about their strongest reads

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 55#p800055 - hm

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 86#p801286 - tries to engage with bronana after the thread had been stagnant for a while

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 06#p801606 - quotes bronana’s defense of them and just says: “exactly”

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 38#p802638 - dyachei jokingly calls out zack for “upsetting the status quo”

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 65#p803965 - puts bronana in the middle of their reads list

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 92#p807092 - this post is weird, but maybe it’s more weird for arete than for bronana? i’m putting it here for posterity because it’s been stuck in my brain

c4 -

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 82#p796682 - dyachei softly defends me when c4 scumreads me early on

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 02#p797802 - outs an early meta townread on c4

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 24#p798024 - shades c4 for ignoring their posts a few posts later

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 86#p801486 - mildly intense exchange between the two of them around this post

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 95#p803295 - dya cases c4’s progression on me

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 56#p803356 - pings sunbae in an attempt to create discussion about their wolfread on c4

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 65#p803965 - dya’s read on c4 does a heelturn around this post - they put c4 near the bottom of their readslist and encourage the wagon against them

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 92#p810792 - votes c4 in this post

dyslexicon -

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 02#p798702 - brief exchange about dya’s read on dizzy here
that’s more or less it - not many interactions between the two that i found interesting or notable, they barely interacted throughout dya’s side of the ISO

marl -

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 19#p799519 - brief exchange here

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 20#p799920 - implies that marl’s perspective is towny in this post, takes it back a post later

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 65#p800165 - dya leaves marl out of their readslist in this post, lol

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 00#p802300 - defends themself against marl’s meta comparison

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 18#p804918 - piggybacks off of marl’s vote on c4 to express their support for a c4 wagon

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 99#p809299 - trs marl here

nutella -

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 65#p796765 - soft defend nutella here

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 92#p798692 - pivots to wolfreading nutella

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 46#p799746 - exchange in this post

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 70#p799770 - exchange continues around here

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 13#p802713 - slightly tense exchange in this post

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 05#p802505 - another tense exchange around here

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 08#p803708 - comes around to nutella being light v

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 61#p809261 - more of the same

outed wolf -

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 25#p799525 - answers outed wolf’s prompt for dya to explain where their head is at

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 30#p799530 - brief exchange here

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 91#p802291 - softball

not much else here i found notable, tbh

tangrowth/chloe/syn:

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 41#p797541 - calls tan pure in this post

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 60#p798660 - calls tan the towniest player in the game

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 59#p801259 - continues to strongly townread the tang slot

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 88#p802288 - doubles down on the townread here

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 96#p806296 - shifts to scumreading/shading the tan slot here, accuses them of pocketing marl

bronana wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:11 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:26 am arete the wolfiest thing about you today is the fact that i'm even in your POE lol

allow me to have my moment of town entitlement :P

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:27 am (ill be honest i think syn picked me to troll me lmao)

yeah his initial reasoning for wolfreading you felt a little like a meme read lol

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:27 am wheres your head at spf

i dunno, ive been out all evening and just opened the thread. mostly im just really hoping that syn being chopped ends the game because it's going to be stressful if it doesn't

@Syn - you seem to feel pretty strongly that the final wolf is outed wolf. can you write a longer post explaining your scumread on him in more detail? if you are actually town then maybe this will help us understand your POV more

arete the wolfiest thing about you today is the fact that i'm even in your POE lol

>>me going to the endgame after hardbussing dyachei from d1 onwards

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:04 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:58 pm @c4 - if we live in a world where syn is town, then that means that you'll probably be one of the people that gets heavily scrutinized next. if there's a wolf outside of you/syn, that means that the entire game is effectively getting snowballed. if you're town, that means you're in the unique position of knowing that the game is either effectively a lock, or knowing that there's a deepwolf. i am very curious to hear who you think the deepwolf would be in a world where syn is a villager

i think it's highly unlikely c4 is wolf with dya?

i dont disagree fwiw, i just kinda assumed that other people didnt feel the same way considering how dya/c4 were both consensus POE yesterday in spite of not having much partner equity

@c4 - if we live in a world where syn is town, then that means that you'll probably be one of the people that gets heavily scrutinized next. if there's a wolf outside of you/syn, that means that the entire game is effectively getting snowballed. if you're town, that means you're in the unique position of knowing that the game is either effectively a lock, or knowing that there's a deepwolf. i am very curious to hear who you think the deepwolf would be in a world where syn is a villager

sup

i wont be here much for the first ~24 hours or so of today. i am ~hoping~ that the last wolf is just syn but i've been burned too many times by seemingly easy answers that i intend to look into dyachei's spew and create a contingency plan in a world where syn ends up being town

seeing dya flip red after being suspicious of them and frequently doubting myself for nearly two real life weeks was a very satisfying experience

[VOTE: staypositivefriend] aubergine

4d chess

outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:54 pm What's that thought SPF

alright fine, i'll share it

are you ready? it's a pretty huge thought:

Arete wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:52 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:45 pm what are your general feelings about the gamestate, arete? do you feel like we're in a good position? are you worried about anything? what's dya gonna flip?

I think Dya is going to flip scum

so on that basis I'm feeling pretty okay about the gamestate

I think we're in a generally good position, there's a bunch of people who are pretty clearable so we can probably just solve by PoE even if we're not 100 percent confident in who the last wolf is

but I am worried a bit about the second-wolf-if-Dya-is-scum (or if they're not but some of this only applies if they are) the easy answer is Syn but Chloe had some villagery moments that make me less confident there and I don't think c4 is a wolf with Dya, which does make me worried that there might be a wolf deeper than the consensus-immediate-PoE

also I'm worried that everyone is going to not want to play with me anymore but that's going to happen regardless of what happens today

thanks

what are your general feelings about the gamestate, arete? do you feel like we're in a good position? are you worried about anything? what's dya gonna flip?

weh

bronana wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:15 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:53 pm i have a certain Thought but i think that i will wait to see dya's flip before i say it, because i dont wanna be a clown

same

i have a certain Thought but i think that i will wait to see dya's flip before i say it, because i dont wanna be a clown

getting that final hour of the day paranoia and unease. that's the good stuff!

it's wacky that you described a POE containing three names, two of which you believe are 100% villagers, as "addressing" the rest of your POE, when the only person it addresses is me, a name that you have only vaguely alluded suspicion to prior to this point

but alright

it's not fake. your "POE" is outed wolf, c4, dizzy, and myself. the POE that you say will "address" the rest of your POE is dyachei, yourself, and myself

if i'm so obviously wrong, then it should be easy to correct me, right?

bronana wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:43 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:42 pm how does syn look at a POE that includes a total of 3 names (syn, dyachei, SPF) 2 of which he thinks are town, and one of which he has vaguely alluded to being suspicious of, and conclude that it "takes care" of the rest of his POE?

nothing makes sense

outed wolf + syn
lock it in
for the win
put them in the bin
wolfing like sin
you think that's a schwinn

u sold me

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:46 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:42 pm how does syn look at a POE that includes a total of 3 names (syn, dyachei, SPF) 2 of which he thinks are town, and one of which he has vaguely alluded to being suspicious of, and conclude that it "takes care" of the rest of his POE?

nothing makes sense

why are you pretending to quote me when the thing you're quoting is something I didn't say

why are you deflecting away from the main point?

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:44 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:19 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:09 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:08 am

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:39 am

Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:37 am idk
it seems like everyone's wim is low, so my motivation to put in a lot of work is lacking too
not even a whole page in the 10 hours since i slept

prob go syn after dyachei if they are wolf
probably spf if dya is town unless dya has any specific direction they want us to go

isnt outed wolf ur top wolfread? why do u agree w/this post when it doesn't mention killing your number one wolfread at any point in the near future?

through the power of POE and likelihood of town doing anything

there is like one other person who vaguely kinda thinks Visor maybe might not be town, sorta

obviously I will be interested in an approach that at least sees the rest of my POE addressed

huh? the only person that gets addressed in this POE besides you and dyachei is exactly me. am i the sole name on your POE?

for someone who is quick to jump on others to demand specificity and detailed analysis, you demonstrate a shocking lack of recall when it is most convenient

what am i failing to recall? enlighten me!

how does syn look at a POE that includes a total of 3 names (syn, dyachei, SPF) 2 of which he thinks are town, and one of which he has vaguely alluded to being suspicious of, and conclude that it "takes care" of the rest of his POE?

nothing makes sense

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:09 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:08 am

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:39 am

Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:37 am idk
it seems like everyone's wim is low, so my motivation to put in a lot of work is lacking too
not even a whole page in the 10 hours since i slept

prob go syn after dyachei if they are wolf
probably spf if dya is town unless dya has any specific direction they want us to go

isnt outed wolf ur top wolfread? why do u agree w/this post when it doesn't mention killing your number one wolfread at any point in the near future?

through the power of POE and likelihood of town doing anything

there is like one other person who vaguely kinda thinks Visor maybe might not be town, sorta

obviously I will be interested in an approach that at least sees the rest of my POE addressed

huh? the only person that gets addressed in this POE besides you and dyachei is exactly me. am i the sole name on your POE?