The Syndicate

you seemed pretty confident about neon before. did ur mind really change just like that?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:19 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:18 pm what do u think about my reasoning for sring sixstrings?
Are you asking me?

it was directed at lemonfairy but i'd like to hear your answer too

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:16 pm Has six responded to the accusation that he's too aware of thread state? I've seen him around a bit but I don't think I've seen him respond to that specifically.
I do also think he's trying to soft his flavor with his PFP but that's pretty weak reasoning to not vote there.

lol this is kinda a towny thought

what do u think about my reasoning for sring sixstrings?

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:14 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:11 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:10 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:02 pm good question

i don't think that it's you

i don't think that it's neon

i don't think that it's ted

i can understand the paranoia around dennis but i don't think that it's him right now either. dennis does not strike me as the type of wolf who would want to hardbus both of his partners and try to sol oendgame, and he feels significantly more pure and explotary to me than the wolfgame i just saw from him like 4 months ago. i actually don't have him in my POE right now at all

to be blunt i've just been trying to figure out which name in psv, pyxxy, sig, and sixstrings i should hardclear so that i can create a game winning legacy if i get eliminated today

i'm leaning on just removing sig from that pool - i dont think that his play aligns with the mindset of a wolf who would want to hardbus and solo endgame (similar to my read on dennis), and i think he's been getting townier with each dayphase. my original concern about him was more his lack of posting than anything, but he has been getting consistently townier with each dayphase as he has been posting more/getting a stronger presence

so that leaves psv, pyxxy, sixstrings, and myself. am i happy with that being the game winning POE? maybe.

i think that psv "fits" as a partner to falcon in a very level 0 way but it's not actually how i expect W/W interaction to play out in most circumstances, and i think psv defended falcon in a needlessly hard way if she was actually wolfing with him, esp since falcon had given up and i wouldn't rly expect the final wolf to care about defending him

it could be pyxxy but any case i could even come up with against them is more: "i dont townread them as strongly as the other players and they dont have any interactions i have clearing", as opposed to anything they have done that i find genuinely wolf indicative

sixstrings............shrug. it's easy to conf bias and say that it's just him and that my reasons to townread him aren't as good as my reasons to townread everyone else (which is true!), but sometimes he does say stuff that make me feel like he is disconnected from the gamestate in a town indicative way

idk. being honest with you, i kind of think it might just be sixstrings
I want to say something like "you're just making the easiest push" but I get pocketed by posts like this
my rebuttal is that the easiest push has been correct for this entire game so far. i don't care if a push is easy, i just care if it's correct
Seanzie was not an easy push, I don't think
it was sudden

i want to say that he was the easiest push throughout a lot of d1 but i dont remember if this is actually true bcuz d1 feels like forever ago

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:10 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:27 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:34 pm @Neon You still think it's me? What kind of mental gymnastics are you doing to connect me and falcon as partners?
do u think that u and falcon are obviously not partners? why should i be clearing u rn?

and why do u think it's neon?
Falcon sheeped Neon by voting me D1 and D2. It's not impossible play for paired scum, but it's not optimal in a world where we just lost Seanzie.
Neon I'm not confident on but she was defending falcon, which I think is a good play given the early loss of Seanzie, throughout D2. She jumped on the Seanzie train pretty late.
I see what people are saying about her hellbus meta but she makes some sense as the last scum to me.

well if i wanted to counter this argument, i would say:

1. falcon didn't actually push you that hard in the first place. in fact, he said that you giving links to your mafia games on d2 was towny, and then he said he thought you weren't mafia with his main scumread (kate) at the end of d2

2. it makes sense for falcon to distance from his partner if he perceived himself as a likely elimination, and given the way that he was playing, it seems he did perceive himself that way

the actual reason why i think that you might be town is because the way you defended falcon doesn't strike me as the way that a wolf would treat falcon yesterday, and i think they would want to create distance from him instead of going out of their way to call him towny

i feel exactly the same way about neon, too. it's not about her having a meta of "hellbussing" (which i dont rly care about), it's more that her overall defense of falcon felt like it lacks TMI of falcon's alignment and is a weird angle for a wolf to take

ftr i do perceive dennis as probably the "easiest push" in the sense that there are the least amount of people currently defending him, whereas multiple ppl think that sixstrings has townslipped

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:10 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:02 pm good question

i don't think that it's you

i don't think that it's neon

i don't think that it's ted

i can understand the paranoia around dennis but i don't think that it's him right now either. dennis does not strike me as the type of wolf who would want to hardbus both of his partners and try to sol oendgame, and he feels significantly more pure and explotary to me than the wolfgame i just saw from him like 4 months ago. i actually don't have him in my POE right now at all

to be blunt i've just been trying to figure out which name in psv, pyxxy, sig, and sixstrings i should hardclear so that i can create a game winning legacy if i get eliminated today

i'm leaning on just removing sig from that pool - i dont think that his play aligns with the mindset of a wolf who would want to hardbus and solo endgame (similar to my read on dennis), and i think he's been getting townier with each dayphase. my original concern about him was more his lack of posting than anything, but he has been getting consistently townier with each dayphase as he has been posting more/getting a stronger presence

so that leaves psv, pyxxy, sixstrings, and myself. am i happy with that being the game winning POE? maybe.

i think that psv "fits" as a partner to falcon in a very level 0 way but it's not actually how i expect W/W interaction to play out in most circumstances, and i think psv defended falcon in a needlessly hard way if she was actually wolfing with him, esp since falcon had given up and i wouldn't rly expect the final wolf to care about defending him

it could be pyxxy but any case i could even come up with against them is more: "i dont townread them as strongly as the other players and they dont have any interactions i have clearing", as opposed to anything they have done that i find genuinely wolf indicative

sixstrings............shrug. it's easy to conf bias and say that it's just him and that my reasons to townread him aren't as good as my reasons to townread everyone else (which is true!), but sometimes he does say stuff that make me feel like he is disconnected from the gamestate in a town indicative way

idk. being honest with you, i kind of think it might just be sixstrings
I want to say something like "you're just making the easiest push" but I get pocketed by posts like this

my rebuttal is that the easiest push has been correct for this entire game so far. i don't care if a push is easy, i just care if it's correct

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:00 pm but I'll answer anyway
I think it might be you

and my main reason is probably still Kate's legacy because looking at your posts individually, I can't really see you pushing scum agenda
the problem is, I don't really feel like anyone else is pushing an agenda either

okay

i can tell you that in a world where i'm mafia, i never push seanzie on d1 in the way that i did

if you understand anything about how i play as mafia or how i try to distance from partners, that is not a play i would ever make

but i'm not really that interested in trying to convince ppl that i'm town, because i think the game is still winnable even if i don't. i just want you to solve w/the assumption that i'm town for a moment. who would the mafia be in that world?

Neon wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:59 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:30 pm hi neon

who is mafia and why
You cause Kate said so?

Jk it's like Dennis or PSV or like maybe Lemon

Because

I don't tr them and don't see a reason to

what do u think about the reasoning i just gave for sixstrings? or the reasoning i gave to think that PSV doesn't really fit?

as for dennis, if he is a wolf then it means he hardbussed both of his partners for no real reason and is trying to solo endgame, which i just find pretty difficult to believe

but i'm not gonna try to convince you that sixstrings is mafia, cause i'm not really that confident in the first place. i just have the least reasons to townread him out of everyone here, i think he has played "too perfectly" in spite of barely seeming to pay attention to the game, and i think his hand would have been forced into bussing/distancing from falcon yesterday, particularly with the context of falcon giving up and seeming to not try to save himself. he fits more cleanly as a wolf than p much any other name in this list

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:22 pm it ....could be sixstrings. one thing that does make me worried about him is actually just how consensus-y/"agreeable" his reads were when he checked into the thread, even though he is clearly absent. i would expect a villager who is struggling to play or keep up with the game to not have many confident reads, but sixstrings had a readslist that was almost entirely in agreement with the consensus, which could indicate that he was being fed information by this team - this is the exact tell that i used to catch beggbow wayyy back in season 7 game 6

^^and ftr, this is still the main reason why i think it might be sixstrings, and why i haven't taken him out of my POE in spite of him having some posts that show a towny lack of self awareness

the lack of self awareness paired with sixstrings having extremely accurate, consensus, and good reas doesn't really align with how i would expect someone struggling with the game to play. if sixstrings is town then frankly i think his reads would probably just be a lot messier than they have been. his reads are good enough but im not sure i see much of a solving process behind them, which indicates to me that he might be playing with TMI

good question

i don't think that it's you

i don't think that it's neon

i don't think that it's ted

i can understand the paranoia around dennis but i don't think that it's him right now either. dennis does not strike me as the type of wolf who would want to hardbus both of his partners and try to sol oendgame, and he feels significantly more pure and explotary to me than the wolfgame i just saw from him like 4 months ago. i actually don't have him in my POE right now at all

to be blunt i've just been trying to figure out which name in psv, pyxxy, sig, and sixstrings i should hardclear so that i can create a game winning legacy if i get eliminated today

i'm leaning on just removing sig from that pool - i dont think that his play aligns with the mindset of a wolf who would want to hardbus and solo endgame (similar to my read on dennis), and i think he's been getting townier with each dayphase. my original concern about him was more his lack of posting than anything, but he has been getting consistently townier with each dayphase as he has been posting more/getting a stronger presence

so that leaves psv, pyxxy, sixstrings, and myself. am i happy with that being the game winning POE? maybe.

i think that psv "fits" as a partner to falcon in a very level 0 way but it's not actually how i expect W/W interaction to play out in most circumstances, and i think psv defended falcon in a needlessly hard way if she was actually wolfing with him, esp since falcon had given up and i wouldn't rly expect the final wolf to care about defending him

it could be pyxxy but any case i could even come up with against them is more: "i dont townread them as strongly as the other players and they dont have any interactions i have clearing", as opposed to anything they have done that i find genuinely wolf indicative

sixstrings............shrug. it's easy to conf bias and say that it's just him and that my reasons to townread him aren't as good as my reasons to townread everyone else (which is true!), but sometimes he does say stuff that make me feel like he is disconnected from the gamestate in a town indicative way

idk. being honest with you, i kind of think it might just be sixstrings

hi lemonfairy

who do u think the mafia is

tfw everyone stops posting once i enter the thread

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 8:58 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:50 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:24 pm well, maybe it's not, but it's only not if it's a scum slip

if that makes sense (not sure it does)
Wut?

SixStrings wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:09 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:33 pm
SixStrings wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:29 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 5:41 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 5:38 pm
SixStrings wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 5:25 pm Can i ask why we arent just following Kate since she was right both days? ...and then they killed her to boot.
honestly think this might be the way to go
sometimes you just have to sheep

unless someone gives a really compelling case on someone else
but like

Kate already got falcon killed

she always dies for that anyway, so I don't see how we can make the logical leap that she also died because she's right about SPF

or at least I would prefer if people did their own research on SPF
but if Kate was suspecting the wrong person, wouldnt they just leave her alone and let her lead everyone down the wrong path? makes more sense since falcon's death was already done?
you've got a point given it was Kate's insistence D2 that actually formed the falcon wagon

but I would have preferred that you said this point instead of me feeling like I have to fill it in

..........you wouldn't nk your own wife, six........right? *big detective noises*
To answer your question "post big detective noises" i hear what you are saying about night killing my own wife. I would pushback ... but the team would be pressuring big time, especially given the fact that she had been dismantling the wolf team pretty solidly.

Truth is she was defending me so why would I kill her at all?
I'm having a massive Seanzie moment so please bear with me

"To answer your question "post big detective noises" i hear what you are saying about night killing my own wife. I would pushback ... but the team would be pressuring big time, especially given the fact that she had been dismantling the wolf team pretty solidly."

"the team"

but Six is theoretically the last scum left

So either he doesn't know that there are only 3 mafia in the game -> town slip

or he and falcon discussed how he has to kill Kate N2 and he's admitting to it here -> scum slip

help me figure out which :3

i dont really believe in townslips or scumslips as a general principle and i think they almost never happen

imo the more compelling argument that can be made from that post is that sixstrings argument lacks such a strong amount of gamestate awareness that it could indicate that he doesn't have any TMI

a wolf would know that kate was pretty clearly the designated nightkill regardless of who the final mafia was, given her position in the gamestate. so, sixstrings arguing that he wouldn't kill kate even though kate was always blatantly going to die might show a lack of connection with the gamestate in a way that is town indicative

could be reading into tea leaves but idk

hi neon

who is mafia and why

i would prefer to realtime with ppl rn tbh, sounds more productive than going through ISOs again

who wants to chat?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:34 pm @Neon You still think it's me? What kind of mental gymnastics are you doing to connect me and falcon as partners?

do u think that u and falcon are obviously not partners? why should i be clearing u rn?

and why do u think it's neon?

sig wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:02 am PSV, Dennis, SPF seem to be a good pool.

can u explain your concerns about PSV to me?

brain goes brrrrrrr

btw, campfire ghost stories are the best part of camping in general

ill be around more tomorrow

sig wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 1:08 pm This is gonna be a general D1 vomit thought post so have fun reading it.

Lemon Random vote on Sean a good look.

SPF vs Camille is a bad look for SPF. We'll see how this develops as I catch up.

PSV D1 push on the low posters is a bad look.

Pyxxy is looking good even with their Six vote. I'll be a bit unhappy if they end D1 with that. Buuuuuut, I will accept the pocket.

SPF random vote for Sean is a good look and I'm taking back my prior thought on the SPF/Camille debate. Also I just saw i'm spelling camilia Name wrong. oops too late to fix is and they're dead so like

D1 thoughts.

there's alot of chatter that didn't really stick out to me. granted I'm doing a quicker skim here but still.

I think the following players need to be ISO'd
SPF
PSV (?)
Sean (obviously)
Ted (I don't see a vote count, but he's the second wagon right?)
Dennis
Falcon

Off the top of my head the first 3 to vote Sean, being SPF, Neon, and Kate look good. Dennis I'm iffy on as a whole so there's some bias for his switch.

Lemon, Kate, Pyxxy, Neon, Six, and SPF are all people I'd not vote for D2 based off D1

Lemon, kate, neon, and Pyxxy are town reads.
Six and SPF both are looking to be good, but I know SPF has the ability to deep wolf so they aren't cleared yet.

Ted I need to ISO, but given he was the counterwagon it's a good look and I likely won't be voting their today.

I'm eyeballing.
1. PSV for their low poster/no poster push + general vibes.
2. Dennis for his posting style and defense of kate I need to
3. Falcon for being well within his scum range.

I'll be rereading through these 3 for sure.

would be kind of wild for sig, as mafia with one partner down, to come into d2 throwing his under partner under the bus and actively POE him but idk

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:04 pm Ted wagon is a maybe for me, or at least was before I went to sleep. Maybe I'll ISO later, idk, not much time. I could see there being one in Ted/Falcon. I still sus Falcon, I think I just expect scum!Falcon to have returned to the thread by now? Maybe the wagons are fine, maybe he's asleep, maybe I should just be voting him instead?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 12:49 pm falcon - I'm sheeping Neon's tr on falcon

@pyxxy - what happened to your suspicion on falcon between these two posts? i can see a reality where you decided to sheep neon's tr on falcon, but it seems like you had independent suspicions of falcon prior to that point, but they seemed to disappear after you made that first post. was neon's townread on falcon enough for you to disregard your own concerns?

psv defended falcon in such a transparent and blatant way that i'm not really sure if it makes sense for it to be her

if i work from the assumption that falcon had given up yesterday (which seems very much to be the case), then it makes sense to me for the other wolf to:

1. fully commit to bussing/distancing from falcon

2. subtly try to get the elimination elsewhere without actually hard defending or protecting neon

psv kind of taking this middle ground option where she defends falcon very brazenly throughout the dayphase without even doing anything to steer the elimination elsewhere is ...weird for a wolf to do. like yeah, it fits in a level 0 way, but i'm not sure if it is what most wolves realistically do that in scenario

@tedxtr - thots?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 7:12 pm I think I feel fine about falcon, Neon, and Seanzie thus far.

is psv bold enough to townread both of her partners like this super early into the game?

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 10:47 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 10:46 am There is no reason to clear Six based off anyone's flip
I would agree

possibly a dumb read but i think this specific exchange between dennis and falcon could be a good look for dennis

at the time, dennis had already voiced his support for killing falcon, and he was actively voting for him and sheeping kate's read on him

so if dennis is mafia, he would have already fully committed to bussing falcon at the time that he made this post. so, why make this post at all? why signal boost a read that your partner is making when dennis would surely want to create distance between falcon and himself?

i understand that it's a small point, but something im thinking about regardless

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 5:51 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 5:19 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 2:52 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 11:29 am Quiet barely active doesn't give a fuck falcon is usually town ime he just wolfed and actually tried I think falcon is very much the type of player who cares about not letting his pack down so he's more active when scum.

Also also he just pocketed me as wolf and I'm not sure he's try to do literally the exact same thing two games in a row. That's uh less likely to be true though.
I'm TRing Falcon this game tbh but I think it's important to note there was an extensive discussion of his meta last game (at least, my last game? The crossover game.) so it's not unreasonable to think he might be aware and switch it up.
The more I think about it, town falcon would not come in see votes on him and just jet. I'm leaving my vote where it is.

I'd like to hear from @Neon and @Dennis re: falcon.
He's giving such little of a shit that I'm not opposed to a kill on him, but I don't outright scumread him

Like as 4 people brought up already he tries harder as scum, and he's straight up absent here. Which I don't have too hard of a time seeing as him trying to overexaggerate, but that sounds like a tinfoil that would easily lead to a miselim

Hedgy nonsense TLDR, we COULD kill him and he'd have an OK chance at being mafia but like, it's kind of a shrug. Why do you want to kill him

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 10:29 am
Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:50 pm I don't know what you mean by paying forward a scum agenda.

Hes hiding behind a tmi read of you. Or so he claims, but he's on ted. Nothing he's doing is making sense. This is just not how town falcon plays. At all.

Read my Isa bc I've made like 50 posts about why I think it. Plus vibes.
K I'm totally sheeping this Kate's got that fire in her eyes (to be more specific I think falcon is bad cuz of the aforementioned 50 posts, can't really make my own reasoning if someone else already said it)

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

(Get pocketed )

mmmmmmmmmmm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 5:51 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 5:19 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 2:52 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 11:29 am Quiet barely active doesn't give a fuck falcon is usually town ime he just wolfed and actually tried I think falcon is very much the type of player who cares about not letting his pack down so he's more active when scum.

Also also he just pocketed me as wolf and I'm not sure he's try to do literally the exact same thing two games in a row. That's uh less likely to be true though.
I'm TRing Falcon this game tbh but I think it's important to note there was an extensive discussion of his meta last game (at least, my last game? The crossover game.) so it's not unreasonable to think he might be aware and switch it up.
The more I think about it, town falcon would not come in see votes on him and just jet. I'm leaving my vote where it is.

I'd like to hear from @Neon and @Dennis re: falcon.
He's giving such little of a shit that I'm not opposed to a kill on him, but I don't outright scumread him

Like as 4 people brought up already he tries harder as scum, and he's straight up absent here. Which I don't have too hard of a time seeing as him trying to overexaggerate, but that sounds like a tinfoil that would easily lead to a miselim

Hedgy nonsense TLDR, we COULD kill him and he'd have an OK chance at being mafia but like, it's kind of a shrug. Why do you want to kill him

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 10:29 am
Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:50 pm I don't know what you mean by paying forward a scum agenda.

Hes hiding behind a tmi read of you. Or so he claims, but he's on ted. Nothing he's doing is making sense. This is just not how town falcon plays. At all.

Read my Isa bc I've made like 50 posts about why I think it. Plus vibes.
K I'm totally sheeping this Kate's got that fire in her eyes (to be more specific I think falcon is bad cuz of the aforementioned 50 posts, can't really make my own reasoning if someone else already said it)

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

(Get pocketed )

mmmmmmmmmmm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 5:55 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 5:53 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 5:36 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:45 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:31 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:29 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:28 pm

Now this post is just condescending. I've played like a lost townie thus far?
no, you've played well, but you are scumreading me because i self-voted as a joke and because you are failing to understand a really basic strategy. i'm not trying to be condescending, but that doesn't make you any less wrong
That's far from the only reason I've given. I figured out it was you yesterday, before you self voted and you knew it. That's why you asked me if I thought you were wolf.
tbh i do remember that and remember feeling off about it

mostly cuz idk why spf would be curious about that since it seems like a solving question when you're p much ~lock clear
@staypositivefriend can you answer this? why were you curious as to whether she was wolfreading you or not?
it felt like she was constantly alluding to it without directly saying it, and it kind of bugged me tbh. there wasn't a strategic reason for asking, I just wanted her to say it
damn, i was hoping for a different answer

she was p much lock clear, i don't see why it'd bug you?

shrug. i don't like being subtweeted. you can call it a pet peeve. i don't pretend like it was something that i did to help me solve the game

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 5:36 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:45 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:31 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:29 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:28 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:26 pm the fact that i tied seanzie on d1 when it would have been extremely easy to make anyone else go over and the fact that i actively POE'd falcon throughout yesterday and showed no resistance to him dying should be evidence enough that i'm townsiding and that i'm not playing with a specific agenda, but i did self-vote once so i guess that's pretty scummy
Now this post is just condescending. I've played like a lost townie thus far?
no, you've played well, but you are scumreading me because i self-voted as a joke and because you are failing to understand a really basic strategy. i'm not trying to be condescending, but that doesn't make you any less wrong
That's far from the only reason I've given. I figured out it was you yesterday, before you self voted and you knew it. That's why you asked me if I thought you were wolf.
tbh i do remember that and remember feeling off about it

mostly cuz idk why spf would be curious about that since it seems like a solving question when you're p much ~lock clear
@staypositivefriend can you answer this? why were you curious as to whether she was wolfreading you or not?

it felt like she was constantly alluding to it without directly saying it, and it kind of bugged me tbh. there wasn't a strategic reason for asking, I just wanted her to say it

i did, I mean her read on me

i enjoyed playing with you too kate. sorry we couldn't find each other

at the end of the day, i:

-said that i wanted falcon to die

-stated my intent to vote falcon if a counterwagon did come up

-said that falcon should be resolved for the gamestate

-did not attempt to eliminate anyone not named Falcon

so your theory that i was secretly trying to get someone other than falcon eliminated does not make any sense, as respectfully as i can put it. you are allowed to feel however you want about me, but that read doesnt align with what has actually happened in the game we were playing

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:48 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:31 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:29 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:28 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:26 pm the fact that i tied seanzie on d1 when it would have been extremely easy to make anyone else go over and the fact that i actively POE'd falcon throughout yesterday and showed no resistance to him dying should be evidence enough that i'm townsiding and that i'm not playing with a specific agenda, but i did self-vote once so i guess that's pretty scummy
Now this post is just condescending. I've played like a lost townie thus far?
no, you've played well, but you are scumreading me because i self-voted as a joke and because you are failing to understand a really basic strategy. i'm not trying to be condescending, but that doesn't make you any less wrong
That's far from the only reason I've given. I figured out it was you yesterday, before you self voted and you knew it. That's why you asked me if I thought you were wolf.
Do you remember this moment?

yup

backed myself into a corner by doing what?

there was no serious attempt to save falcon at any point throughout d2. he did not try to save himself. there was no meaningful counterwagon. no meaningful resistance. it simply does not make sense to imply that i was sitting and waiting to kill someone other than falcon, ESPECIALLY because i said i wanted falcon to die

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:44 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:38 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:35 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:32 pm right, but the only reasons you've given me to work with are: "SPF self-voted" and "SPF is doing a strategy i don't like", so if you do have reasons that extend beyond that, you will need to be more clear about them

what do you find wolfy about my interactions with falcon? what do you find wolfy about the timing?
You and he were in lock step yesterday (eod yeaterday). There were breaks where you were chatting to each other. And your responses started to seem in sync.
interesting. i would just say that when i interact with my partners in a way that is staged/set up, i tend to do it in a way that is intended to create distance, and my interactions with falcon didn't really do that. for example, think of the way i interacted with creature in the game that we wolfed together, and then think of the way that i interacted with falcon here.

i asked him questions multiple times, which is one of the main ways that i scumhunt/understand other ppl. i don't really understand what it means for us to be in "lock step" and it doesn't make sense to me without you being more specific
I believe this eod was a bit of a surprise. I was having trouble getting people to vote with me on falcon.

I think originally you held your vote to throw on any other wagon that may occur. When that didn't happen, you "jokingly" self voted bc it would look too obvious if you threw your vote on falcon at eod. Falcon who you claimed to be 60% sure of.

but you agree with me that falcon was in anti-spew and that he "knew that you weren't going to shut up", right? so how does that align with your belief that i was sitting there waiting to eliminate someone that wasn't falcon?

the reality of the situation is that falcon was the obvious designated elimination for the entirety of that EOD, and there was no chance that anyone other than him was going to die, period

and again, why did it matter at all if i voted falcon at the EOD? he was guaranteed to die

im sorry kate, but this is just bad gamestate analysis

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:37 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:29 pm i do have the capacity to bus but i bus in a way that guarantees i get to live until endgame. surviving to endgame as a wolf here after two wolves die back to back is not really a viable path for me in any world
Which is exactly what you did here.

evidently not

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:36 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:33 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:32 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:31 pm well i don't care if you think the strategy is good or not, because it has worked for me in dozens of games and it will work for me in this game too. i just care that you're acting like the strategy is alignment indicative
No, the strategy is not AI you pretending to be using it is AI.
why?
Because it's a strategy only a town could apply.

well thanks for confirming to me that it is just confirmation bias lol

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:35 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:32 pm right, but the only reasons you've given me to work with are: "SPF self-voted" and "SPF is doing a strategy i don't like", so if you do have reasons that extend beyond that, you will need to be more clear about them

what do you find wolfy about my interactions with falcon? what do you find wolfy about the timing?
You and he were in lock step yesterday (eod yeaterday). There were breaks where you were chatting to each other. And your responses started to seem in sync.

interesting. i would just say that when i interact with my partners in a way that is staged/set up, i tend to do it in a way that is intended to create distance, and my interactions with falcon didn't really do that. for example, think of the way i interacted with creature in the game that we wolfed together, and then think of the way that i interacted with falcon here.

i asked him questions multiple times, which is one of the main ways that i scumhunt/understand other ppl. i don't really understand what it means for us to be in "lock step" and it doesn't make sense to me without you being more specific

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:32 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:31 pm well i don't care if you think the strategy is good or not, because it has worked for me in dozens of games and it will work for me in this game too. i just care that you're acting like the strategy is alignment indicative
No, the strategy is not AI you pretending to be using it is AI.

why?

right, but the only reasons you've given me to work with are: "SPF self-voted" and "SPF is doing a strategy i don't like", so if you do have reasons that extend beyond that, you will need to be more clear about them

what do you find wolfy about my interactions with falcon? what do you find wolfy about the timing?

well i don't care if you think the strategy is good or not, because it has worked for me in dozens of games and it will work for me in this game too. i just care that you're acting like the strategy is alignment indicative

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:28 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:26 pm the fact that i tied seanzie on d1 when it would have been extremely easy to make anyone else go over and the fact that i actively POE'd falcon throughout yesterday and showed no resistance to him dying should be evidence enough that i'm townsiding and that i'm not playing with a specific agenda, but i did self-vote once so i guess that's pretty scummy
Now this post is just condescending. I've played like a lost townie thus far?

no, you've played well, but you are scumreading me because i self-voted as a joke and because you are failing to understand a really basic strategy. i'm not trying to be condescending, but that doesn't make you any less wrong

i do have the capacity to bus but i bus in a way that guarantees i get to live until endgame. surviving to endgame as a wolf here after two wolves die back to back is not really a viable path for me in any world

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:26 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:22 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:40 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:27 pm just to clarify, the strategy that i'm using to win the game is one that i borrowed from jaggedjimmyjay. you take the number of eliminations left in the game and then subtract one (assuming that you will be a miselimination yourself), to create a POE that you are confident about winning the game

so my goal is simply to find 3 names that i am confident need to contain the final mafia and then force the rest of the game to sheep that solve if i ever die. given the amount of people in this game that feel obviously town, this is a very doable task
Ok. But this doesn't make my posts or feelings about you wrong. So, if I don't die tonight, I would have 3 people in my poe and myself which makes no sense, bc we'd win as soon as we lynch the one wolf who obviously isn't me. So I'm not grasping why you're putting yourself in there unless you are acquiescing that youre play is wolfy.
.....because that's how the strategy works? you put yourself in the POE because you still have a guaranteed win even if something goes wrong and you get miseliminated

don't really know how else to explain the strategy to you. it's not about "accepting your play as wolfy", it's about guaranteeing a win through POE
.....well you're not GUARANTEED a win if no one in your POE is a wolf...or if you yourself are a wolf.

well yes....................but i think you're missing the point

the point of the strategy is that you are creating a POE that should win the game even IF you get eliminated. you are creating a path to victory and a list of eliminations that will win the game even if you are one of those eliminations. it's not a "guaranteed" win since mafia is a guessing game

i'm sorry but it's just not that hard to understand. i really don't have any other way to explain it. i am far from the first person to use this strategy and this is far from the first time i have used it

the fact that i tied seanzie on d1 when it would have been extremely easy to make anyone else go over and the fact that i actively POE'd falcon throughout yesterday and showed no resistance to him dying should be evidence enough that i'm townsiding and that i'm not playing with a specific agenda, but i did self-vote once so i guess that's pretty scummy

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