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by staypositivefriend
Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:11 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

Dyslexicon wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:09 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:05 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:04 pm SPF, I'm noticing while catching up that you have randed mafia.
if youre a wolf then you probably need me to get chopped at some point in this game to fulfill your win condition, so that tracks
That doesn't track anything. "If I am" then that tracks. You need to figure out if I am woof or not first, my tuna. And as some people are able to understand, me chiming into the game for real for the first time now makes me IC. But feel free to ignore that or sprinkle wifom on it.
nah, i'm saying that if you are a wolf in this game then you are probably reasonably boxed in and need to get me chopped or POE'd at some point in this game in order to achieve your win condition. the first read that youve outed upon catching up with the game is a lazy and overconfident sounding wolfread on me, which tracks with how i would expect you to be playing as a wolf

and i dont think that either of us believe that you posting game-related content on d2 makes you an IC
by staypositivefriend
Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:09 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

Dyslexicon wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:07 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:58 pm jagged's posts (particularly in the early game) did feel a bit "off" to me as well, but in a way that i find difficult to describe. if i had to put it into words, it would sound something like: "i feel like jagged is forcing himself to be curious about other peoples posts instead of letting the curiosity naturally come to him"

that said, i like the fact that my reads are largely in alignment with jagged's, and i think that some of the stuff that im picking up on is just a result of him playing a more low-key/less "leadership"-focused game, and that would probably make his posts feel different to me regardless of his alignment

this is a long way of saying that i dont really know jagged's alignment but that i'll figure it out
How is everyone on the SPF is probably mafia read?
looool id like to see you try to get me killed in this game dizzy, if this is the route that u wanna go down then it's not gonna be easy for u
by staypositivefriend
Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:05 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

Dyslexicon wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:04 pm SPF, I'm noticing while catching up that you have randed mafia.
if youre a wolf then you probably need me to get chopped at some point in this game to fulfill your win condition, so that tracks
by staypositivefriend
Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:02 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

Dyslexicon wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:00 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:58 pm anyone wanna talk about anything while im around?
How come you are so incredibly gay?
maybe i was born this way, maybe it's maybelline
by staypositivefriend
Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:58 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

anyone wanna talk about anything while im around?
by staypositivefriend
Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:58 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

if dyslexicon doesnt give us the full scumteam within the next 10 minutes then he should be killed immediately
by staypositivefriend
Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:22 pm
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Topic: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

[VOTE: Notanaxehole] aubergine
by staypositivefriend
Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:38 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

NotAnAxehole wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:54 pm
cassandra wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:52 pm does anyone have a reason Jay could be town? or are we just sparing him because it's Jay? like i literally don't give an ef about that kinda thing and would vote him if it was a wagon option.
I refuse to vote Jay because he generally seems to be able to reason with me, which is pretty rare in forum mafia, so I can't be voting that D1 under any circumstances.
this reasoning from NAA strikes me as awkward in hindsight, just cause in the only game that i played with NAA, he incessantly hardtunneled on jagged for days on end and had no reservations about pushing him whatsoever lol
by staypositivefriend
Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:35 pm
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Topic: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:01 pm
cassandra wrote: Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:57 pm anne can you put on an avatar
Hello cassandra. I think you're the only person here I haven't played with or at least had ~Mafia conversations~ with (iaafr). So like, what are you about
this is a terrible read that u shouldnt listen to but i buy that this interaction is not W/W
by staypositivefriend
Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:23 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

Marmot wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:50 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:53 pm
nutella wrote: Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:40 pm i will probably scumread jay on d1 and then decide he's in town meta on d2

the inverse of silverkeith
this post pinged me because it's the type of post that i would make as a wolf that wants to contribute to the ongoing conversation about jagged's alignment without having any specific observations to make - it's a very filler post, which is totally fine, but it just felt a little awkward for nutella to sit out of the conversation about jay's alignment while still somewhat involving herself in it
nutella wrote: Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:03 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:50 pm Just so we're clear what's happening here i already gave my three and a half reads and now I'm going to shit post until I cap myself and come back 10-15 minutes before eod to naked vote and be sheeped and we may or may not hit mafia but it'll be worth it for the experience and the memories
this is performative

might loop back to being towny but im not sure
im also a little concerned on how nutella went from: "this post from nanook is performative but maybe in a towny way" to putting nanook in her "Bad Vibes" tier on #266, and her push on cassandra on #316 pinged me when i was catching up as well. i do think that nutella is playing closer to her scum game than her town game so far and i guess i want to make that known, but if she is town then im pretty confident ill find her
staypositivefriend wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:31 am
nutella wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:27 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:14 am
nutella wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:54 am i think youre oversimplifying my reads, to me there was more nuance between these but maybe it wasn't clear, like the first nanook comment was a net negative albeit light, and you're renaming my meh tier to bad tier to exaggerate a perceived discrepancy which in my pov wasn't a discrepancy at all? i'm almost concerned that you're trying to paint my progression as less consistent than it truly was in the posts that are right there that you can read

yeah the more i think about it the more thats classic scum spf narrative tweaking
to be clear, i don't think there's a discrepancy in your progression on nanook - i just felt that your progression on him was a little underdeveloped/unclear

it is usually very easy to understand how your reads shift from point A to point B when youre town, whereas your reasoning to put nanook in your "meh" tier seemed more opaque, which made me worried that you were just going through the motions of having a progression instead of organically coming up with one, if you get me. i would actually find it helpful if you talked about your thoughts on nanook a little bit more (and ftr some of your posts on this page are making me wonder if youre just town)

also the renaming of the "meh" tier wasnt intentional but that probably is something i would do as mafia
i don't really know what to do with this high-volume form of nanook and there are ways i can read his performativity as town indicative, maybe even more likely so. the post about planning to hit postcap and drop off pinged me as something wolf nook might want to do as a kind of defense mechanism (use up posts and take himself off the table in a way). idk. i think he's using the posts well so far and not just spamming, and i liked that he picked up on jay's vibes being off, even if i don't agree with how hard he's pushing it since jay's vibes tend to be off d1 ime. like i don't think jay is seen as a mischop in general but it's conceivable to push him d1? idk i don't actually see the permutation of wolf nook and town jay here making sense. conceivably nook could be hellbussing jay as w/w for fun and profit but i think it's more likely nook is simply town who truly feels bad vibes from jay
okay thanks, i like this post
staypositivefriend wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:01 pm
cassandra wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:34 pm I'm squinting at both JJJ and Mac.
can you talk about your read on JJJ a bit more? i know youve mentioned that you felt that he has been "off" in some way (and i actually think that marmot nailed the description of why it might feel that way, because it is true that JJJ is focused more on posting individual observations than he is on dialoguing directly with other players), but im not sure if him being "off" is a reason to wolfread him within itself. im having a hard time getting a grasp on JJJ in this game in general, so i wanna talk about him more
staypositivefriend wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:59 pm I'm a bit torn on the rodent from the PNW. Holistically, I think his posts look fine -- his hunt seems to be organized in a way that recalls some of his other recent town efforts reasonably well. Conversely I sensed some opportunism in his treatment of me (e.g. suggesting I changed my approach somehow after pressure). I grant there's personal bias in that. It'd help to get someone else's perspective about Marmot's view of me.
fwiw i thought that marmot's initial reasoning to scumread you was among some of the towniest stuff that he's posted, because he pinpointed a specific observation about you that i hadnt found a way to put into words yet, which indicates to me that marmot was putting genuine thought into his read on you. i thought the way that he treated you from there came off as a bit binary/maybe a bit too focused on keeping you in his POE, though
staypositivefriend wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:46 pm Why is Nanook town
Perhaps a more productive way to frame this question:

What’s the fundamental difference with respect to interpreting alignment between Nanook and NAA in this Day 1?
the best answer i can give without going back to nanook's ISO is simply: "tone/motivation" - it felt like nanook had a drive to push his reads forward when he was posting earlier in the day, whereas it seems like NAA has lost that drive, even if i don't think that necessarily reflects on his alignment

i'm open to considering both NAA and nanook as wolves, but i suppose i'm looking for a reason to be suspicious of them that isn't simply: "they aren't towny", and i don't feel like anyone has provided that type of reasoning yet

I would call spf compatible teammates with Jay based on these Day 1 posts. Spf made reads on several other players Day 1 for their reads on Jay, without contributing any such reads of his behavior of her own. This includes:

- A suspicion of nutella before backing off
- Asking cass about her opinion
- townread of Nanook
- townread of me

The closest she got to talking about it was acknowledging it in her conversation with cass, though spf offered no specific read of her own on him. My interpretation, spf was testing the waters to see if JJJ was in any danger, and how she should handle his slot.
@Marmot - i find it incredibly weird that you left out these posts from me:
staypositivefriend wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:22 pm unfortunately i have also reached the conclusion that jagged might be a wolf, but not sure if i want to go there on d1
staypositivefriend wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:31 pm i have gotten the impression that jagged is struggling to make more holistically focused posts - he posts a lot of observations that generally Sound Good, but i am finding it more difficult than usual to see how those observations inform and shape his worldview, and i feel like i am unable to see the gears moving in his brain in a similar way that ive seen them move in previous games. when im a wolf, i know that i struggle to make posts with a "wide" scope, and i have theorized that jagged is a wolf going through a similar struggle. i don't think he's the most optimal d1 chop, though
staypositivefriend wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:57 pm [VOTE: jaggedjimmyjay] aubergine
it's just objectively incorrect to say that i didnt take a stance on jagged on my own - i outright called him a likely wolf and then explained why i thought he was a wolf, and THEN voted him. it's true that i didn't think he was a good d1 chop (which should be understandable), but your interpretation of my posts is just outright wrong
by staypositivefriend
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:42 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

about to get my flu shot gl gl me
by staypositivefriend
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:40 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

esooa do u have any scumreads yet?
by staypositivefriend
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:29 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:21 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:19 pm NAA's reasoning to scumread me is weird since he's already played a game with me as T/T and knows that me overexplaining my reads isnt a wolftell
ive been here confbiasing anne/naa/mac (before mac it was like a pool of not mac but then i got reminded maybe mac) since sod and laughing at everybody with different reads and one of my only points of doubt is "could my entire scumteam just be town and right on spf" and then im like "lmao naaaaaah"
i feel like the game would be a little too easy if that was the exact scumteam tbqh, but wouldnt surprise me if that pool had 2/3
by staypositivefriend
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:26 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

Esooa wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:24 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:22 pm
Esooa wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:19 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:15 pm
Esooa wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:55 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:53 pm
ilario wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:40 am


Ummm I don’t think Alexa or lc ever busses jjj like that So they are town. I don’t think bunny hops off like that eod as mafia and gives up on easy towncred and when I was going over eod yesterday with leetic I found towny posts from iaafr and think he’s town.

Falcon is town regardless of macs alignment, I don’t think they’re scum together but I can see Mac using falcons inactivity and his habits of hard tunneling a read as someone who would be perfect to pocket and scumside while Mac just hides in scum chat manipulating him and talking about farts in the thread. I am somewhat exaggerating this scenario because of how annoying falcons read on me is lol and the fact that he just afks all game and decides as his only worthwhile contribution is to random tunnel me is just aggravating. I also think leetic mentioned somewhere that nook fossed Mac and the nook NK implies there’s probably Atleast one more syndicate regular in the scum team and Rn I think nutella is more towny than mac.

Anne I thought was town early on, read through her iso last night and still seemed fine to me. Idk if her interaction with jjj early game is a point in her favour or against her favour given that she is good at theatre as scum. Like I don’t get why she cares about jjjs read on her when they don’t have much experience together but other then that I think she’s been towny.

Naa won me over by his reaction to me today, but him only hunting for two scum when there’s 3 alive is a bit hmmmm

Leetic has a theory that Nutella might have tmi’d esooa as a partner but if that’s not the case then I can see a world where they’re both town. I had reservations about nutella after the flip yesterday but I think her posts today seem genuine and so do esooas and also I think if sloonei was maf with jjj d1 he would have Atleast made more of an effort. I get people can get busy irl but nobody is so busy that they can’t Atleast make a few decent posts. People don’t low post because they’re live is super busy, yes it plays a factor but if someone still cared about the outcome they’ll still put in some effort to post even if busy. I think sloonei would have felt as with jjj as his teammate. Also jjj made some post about saving his posts near eod to get to talk to sloonei and that didn’t feel partnery to me.

So yeah that leaves dizzy wilgy mac you even though you had posts I liked on d1 I also did find some stuff that felt off about u at times
agreed that alexa and LC are town

i agree that occam's razor points to falcon just being a villager, although im reluctant to clear him specifically because of mac's claim because mac has a recent history of hard shielding and hard defending one of his partners and trying to go to endgame from it (that game where he was wolf with kane and twice shrunk). even so, i agree that there's a higher probability that falcon is town than not

i think that you're clearing anne, NAA, and esooa too easily. do you have any reasons to townread anne beyond her being "fine"? i agree that some of her posts on d1 were towny, but we're at a stage of the game where that isn't a good enough reason to townread someone. i also don't agree with you that NAA's reaction was towny

also, i fundamentally disagree with your reasoning for townreading the esooa slot and i think it's a weird thing to read into. we know for a fact that sloonei was very busy IRL throughout d1, and i think it's weird to assume that he would have magically gotten more free time and ability to post if he had rand'd wolf with jagged - that doesn't seem like a reasonable or logical assumption to make, and i think it's the type of reasoning that will get you burned incredibly easily. i also think that esooa sounds tonally stiff in a way that i have NEVER seen from her in a mafia game before, so i'm not sure what to do with that
how am I tonally stiff
here's an example:
Esooa wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:40 pm actually Nutella I feel like you should be town reading me tbh

like, in the last game we played you scum read me (though incorrectly) for being too serious

I guess I could see you not thinking of that this game cause it was wrong but I'm pretty sure you're aware I'm a lot more casual as town cause of that and irt my meta like that I'm decently towny imo

so what's up with that
i feel like i would have never in a million years pictured you using phrases like: "i feel like you should be townreading me tbh" or "so what's up with that?" as either alignment - you are usually very direct and assertive as either alignment but i feel like youre choosing your words very carefully in this game in a way that pings me as stilted/nervous

i dont think this is a good reason to scumread you now that im typing it out tho
idk, I got less than three hours of sleep last night, and night before

maybe that or something

meh really I just play how I want

I'm pretty sure I was way more tepid in the 16/8 game too and the back end of poisonous, was I not?
tepid maybe, but still natural. this is the first game ive played with you where some of your posts have pinged me as sounding like someone trying to do an imitation of you

i care more about your reads than your tone though
how's it an imitation if I'm usually direct and such but this game I'm not that?
because your posts sound distinctly like theyre coming from Esooa, but a slightly scummier and more nervous version of Esooa
by staypositivefriend
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:22 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo
Replies: 4344
Views: 124721

Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

Esooa wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:19 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:15 pm
Esooa wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:55 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:53 pm
ilario wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:40 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:27 am
ilario wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:25 am But who am I misreading then 🥺
i dunno, what do ur reads currently look like? if you post a list of ur reads then ill tell you where i think youre most likely misreading or misclearing

it'll have to be tomorrow tho cause i should have gone to bed like an hour ago

Ummm I don’t think Alexa or lc ever busses jjj like that So they are town. I don’t think bunny hops off like that eod as mafia and gives up on easy towncred and when I was going over eod yesterday with leetic I found towny posts from iaafr and think he’s town.

Falcon is town regardless of macs alignment, I don’t think they’re scum together but I can see Mac using falcons inactivity and his habits of hard tunneling a read as someone who would be perfect to pocket and scumside while Mac just hides in scum chat manipulating him and talking about farts in the thread. I am somewhat exaggerating this scenario because of how annoying falcons read on me is lol and the fact that he just afks all game and decides as his only worthwhile contribution is to random tunnel me is just aggravating. I also think leetic mentioned somewhere that nook fossed Mac and the nook NK implies there’s probably Atleast one more syndicate regular in the scum team and Rn I think nutella is more towny than mac.

Anne I thought was town early on, read through her iso last night and still seemed fine to me. Idk if her interaction with jjj early game is a point in her favour or against her favour given that she is good at theatre as scum. Like I don’t get why she cares about jjjs read on her when they don’t have much experience together but other then that I think she’s been towny.

Naa won me over by his reaction to me today, but him only hunting for two scum when there’s 3 alive is a bit hmmmm

Leetic has a theory that Nutella might have tmi’d esooa as a partner but if that’s not the case then I can see a world where they’re both town. I had reservations about nutella after the flip yesterday but I think her posts today seem genuine and so do esooas and also I think if sloonei was maf with jjj d1 he would have Atleast made more of an effort. I get people can get busy irl but nobody is so busy that they can’t Atleast make a few decent posts. People don’t low post because they’re live is super busy, yes it plays a factor but if someone still cared about the outcome they’ll still put in some effort to post even if busy. I think sloonei would have felt as with jjj as his teammate. Also jjj made some post about saving his posts near eod to get to talk to sloonei and that didn’t feel partnery to me.

So yeah that leaves dizzy wilgy mac you even though you had posts I liked on d1 I also did find some stuff that felt off about u at times
agreed that alexa and LC are town

i agree that occam's razor points to falcon just being a villager, although im reluctant to clear him specifically because of mac's claim because mac has a recent history of hard shielding and hard defending one of his partners and trying to go to endgame from it (that game where he was wolf with kane and twice shrunk). even so, i agree that there's a higher probability that falcon is town than not

i think that you're clearing anne, NAA, and esooa too easily. do you have any reasons to townread anne beyond her being "fine"? i agree that some of her posts on d1 were towny, but we're at a stage of the game where that isn't a good enough reason to townread someone. i also don't agree with you that NAA's reaction was towny

also, i fundamentally disagree with your reasoning for townreading the esooa slot and i think it's a weird thing to read into. we know for a fact that sloonei was very busy IRL throughout d1, and i think it's weird to assume that he would have magically gotten more free time and ability to post if he had rand'd wolf with jagged - that doesn't seem like a reasonable or logical assumption to make, and i think it's the type of reasoning that will get you burned incredibly easily. i also think that esooa sounds tonally stiff in a way that i have NEVER seen from her in a mafia game before, so i'm not sure what to do with that
how am I tonally stiff
here's an example:
Esooa wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:40 pm actually Nutella I feel like you should be town reading me tbh

like, in the last game we played you scum read me (though incorrectly) for being too serious

I guess I could see you not thinking of that this game cause it was wrong but I'm pretty sure you're aware I'm a lot more casual as town cause of that and irt my meta like that I'm decently towny imo

so what's up with that
i feel like i would have never in a million years pictured you using phrases like: "i feel like you should be townreading me tbh" or "so what's up with that?" as either alignment - you are usually very direct and assertive as either alignment but i feel like youre choosing your words very carefully in this game in a way that pings me as stilted/nervous

i dont think this is a good reason to scumread you now that im typing it out tho
idk, I got less than three hours of sleep last night, and night before

maybe that or something

meh really I just play how I want

I'm pretty sure I was way more tepid in the 16/8 game too and the back end of poisonous, was I not?
tepid maybe, but still natural. this is the first game ive played with you where some of your posts have pinged me as sounding like someone trying to do an imitation of you

i care more about your reads than your tone though
by staypositivefriend
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:19 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo
Replies: 4344
Views: 124721

Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

NAA's reasoning to scumread me is weird since he's already played a game with me as T/T and knows that me overexplaining my reads isnt a wolftell
by staypositivefriend
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:18 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Views: 124721

Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

anne wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:14 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:13 pm
anne wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:09 pm i feel like spf is actively repeating everything everyone has already said in the last few pages
lol what? am i supposed to not share observations if other people have posted similar thoughts? you can read me better than this
every thought has been similar, but even ignoring that... you saying i can "read you better than this" feels insincere given our history
we both know that this isn't true, and i don't know why you're stretching the truth like this to make your point look stronger if you're a villager. i've posted multiple thoughts on this page alone that are clearly not copied from anyone else

also it's not insincere - your reasoning to scumread me or townread me as either alignment is almost always informed by your experience with me, whereas the thing that you just poked at (ie: 'SPF is posting similar thoughts to other people") feels weirdly nitpicky and generic
by staypositivefriend
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:15 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo
Replies: 4344
Views: 124721

Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

Esooa wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:55 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:53 pm
ilario wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:40 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:27 am
ilario wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:25 am But who am I misreading then 🥺
i dunno, what do ur reads currently look like? if you post a list of ur reads then ill tell you where i think youre most likely misreading or misclearing

it'll have to be tomorrow tho cause i should have gone to bed like an hour ago

Ummm I don’t think Alexa or lc ever busses jjj like that So they are town. I don’t think bunny hops off like that eod as mafia and gives up on easy towncred and when I was going over eod yesterday with leetic I found towny posts from iaafr and think he’s town.

Falcon is town regardless of macs alignment, I don’t think they’re scum together but I can see Mac using falcons inactivity and his habits of hard tunneling a read as someone who would be perfect to pocket and scumside while Mac just hides in scum chat manipulating him and talking about farts in the thread. I am somewhat exaggerating this scenario because of how annoying falcons read on me is lol and the fact that he just afks all game and decides as his only worthwhile contribution is to random tunnel me is just aggravating. I also think leetic mentioned somewhere that nook fossed Mac and the nook NK implies there’s probably Atleast one more syndicate regular in the scum team and Rn I think nutella is more towny than mac.

Anne I thought was town early on, read through her iso last night and still seemed fine to me. Idk if her interaction with jjj early game is a point in her favour or against her favour given that she is good at theatre as scum. Like I don’t get why she cares about jjjs read on her when they don’t have much experience together but other then that I think she’s been towny.

Naa won me over by his reaction to me today, but him only hunting for two scum when there’s 3 alive is a bit hmmmm

Leetic has a theory that Nutella might have tmi’d esooa as a partner but if that’s not the case then I can see a world where they’re both town. I had reservations about nutella after the flip yesterday but I think her posts today seem genuine and so do esooas and also I think if sloonei was maf with jjj d1 he would have Atleast made more of an effort. I get people can get busy irl but nobody is so busy that they can’t Atleast make a few decent posts. People don’t low post because they’re live is super busy, yes it plays a factor but if someone still cared about the outcome they’ll still put in some effort to post even if busy. I think sloonei would have felt as with jjj as his teammate. Also jjj made some post about saving his posts near eod to get to talk to sloonei and that didn’t feel partnery to me.

So yeah that leaves dizzy wilgy mac you even though you had posts I liked on d1 I also did find some stuff that felt off about u at times
agreed that alexa and LC are town

i agree that occam's razor points to falcon just being a villager, although im reluctant to clear him specifically because of mac's claim because mac has a recent history of hard shielding and hard defending one of his partners and trying to go to endgame from it (that game where he was wolf with kane and twice shrunk). even so, i agree that there's a higher probability that falcon is town than not

i think that you're clearing anne, NAA, and esooa too easily. do you have any reasons to townread anne beyond her being "fine"? i agree that some of her posts on d1 were towny, but we're at a stage of the game where that isn't a good enough reason to townread someone. i also don't agree with you that NAA's reaction was towny

also, i fundamentally disagree with your reasoning for townreading the esooa slot and i think it's a weird thing to read into. we know for a fact that sloonei was very busy IRL throughout d1, and i think it's weird to assume that he would have magically gotten more free time and ability to post if he had rand'd wolf with jagged - that doesn't seem like a reasonable or logical assumption to make, and i think it's the type of reasoning that will get you burned incredibly easily. i also think that esooa sounds tonally stiff in a way that i have NEVER seen from her in a mafia game before, so i'm not sure what to do with that
how am I tonally stiff
here's an example:
Esooa wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:40 pm actually Nutella I feel like you should be town reading me tbh

like, in the last game we played you scum read me (though incorrectly) for being too serious

I guess I could see you not thinking of that this game cause it was wrong but I'm pretty sure you're aware I'm a lot more casual as town cause of that and irt my meta like that I'm decently towny imo

so what's up with that
i feel like i would have never in a million years pictured you using phrases like: "i feel like you should be townreading me tbh" or "so what's up with that?" as either alignment - you are usually very direct and assertive as either alignment but i feel like youre choosing your words very carefully in this game in a way that pings me as stilted/nervous

i dont think this is a good reason to scumread you now that im typing it out tho
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anne wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:09 pm i feel like spf is actively repeating everything everyone has already said in the last few pages
lol what? am i supposed to not share observations if other people have posted similar thoughts? you can read me better than this
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Esooa wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:35 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:10 pm
cassandra wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:02 pm i feel like SPF wouldn't push on nutella off the bat as scum/town because she'd be aware nutella isn't MLable. though as i say that i remember that she did the "push to pocket" approach to me before so i'm a bit more shrug about it but i still kinda gut townread that. also i liked her saying something pinged her from me but she ignored it
fwiw i have a habit of making pushes on unchoppable players when im a wolf because it usually makes people townread me (ie: me pushing on you in MCM, me pushing on amrock in the 16/8er), so i dont really think this is a solid reason to townread me

the best reason why im town is because my posts are boring. they work for me, and i find them fun to make, but they're usually written to aid my solving above all else, whereas my posts as a wolf are written with the intention to make other people react to them
lol I got your intentions and motivation exactly correct in 16/8 but backed off it feelsbadman
uwu
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DrWilgy wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:34 pm
cassandra wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:19 pm Ok Wilgy is towny when he drops the gimmick

Tbh I thought Mr was a bad shot because I had him as town, I think shooting the main CW (Anne) wouldve been correct there, though I wouldn't have cried about a Mac shot.
Fair then. I still haven't really read day 1, but it was JJJ's iso that led me to MR.

My suspicion on Nutella kept me from inquiring the CW. Anne is locktown if Nutella flips scum yes?

Mac was going to take our time regardless of if it was my shot or a yeet.

PoE is pretty straightforward:
Mac, Nutella, Dizzy, Esooa

Falcon will be added if Mac flips red. Anne will be added if Nutella flips green, NAA will be added if Esooa flips red.

Contest me on these 50/50s plz.

I don't know if we win if Ilario, Iaafr, Leetic, Marmot, SPF or Cass is scum without some mechanical savior button.
where was this drwilgy on d1? this is so much townier than anything he's posted before lol
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nutella wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:36 pm anne seems really awkward here like she doesn't know how to look like she has any insight or contributions to the thread lol.

the spf/mac interaction was weird, i can see that as any configuration of alignment really

i feel like spf has been pretty low key so far and i don't have a clear view on what i think of her at all

esooa... idk. i go back and forth. sloonei was p much completely nai but my gut still says wolf, and esooa has been fairly neutral in my view so far. the fact iaafr townreads her does mean something to me though, iaafr is my single beacon of sanity in this thread where everyone else is taking crazy pills and pushing the least charitable interpretations of everything i say
nutella got a lot townier on this page and im back to her just being town
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ilario wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:32 pm
Esooa wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:29 pm
ilario wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:27 pm
cassandra wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:21 pm Voting Falcon before Mac is literally bad in every single world I don't get what you mean.

/vote Mac

Also side-eyeing Anne hard rn.
why??

also can u explain why u feel so sure on ur spf tr? i found her towny yesterday but i think if esooa is town she looks worse and if mac is actually town she looks bad too
why does she look worse if I'm town?
Well if ur town and she’s mafia ur slot is kinda one of the slots she needs in the poe for her to win but she was quick to dismiss the point that sloonei would probably have cared even a slight amount about this game if he randed scum with jjj
ftr i promise that i would hate your point about sloonei's activity being alignment indicative for him regardless of my alignment, so don't scumread me for that. i do agree that jagged's specific interactions with sloonei could point to the esooa slot being town, but sloonei's lack of activity definitely does not
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anne wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:01 pm so spf is just mafia? got it
oh my god, you suck!
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anne wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:15 pm And I do think Mac and Falcon can be the same alignment anyways, similar to Ilario/Leetic. I agree it's not 100%, but let's not ignore how weird it was for Mac to just come in and clear Falcon right away.
meh i think that these posts from anne feel really Off in a way that im having a hard time articulating
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anne wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:16 pm So with that I say that we need to stop clearing everyone for "claims". Roles were randed before alignments in the setup so mafia could theoretically have any roles available to them. This isn't important to my point because I don't FOS anyone who has an open claim rn idt, but something to keep in mind. Second of all, I want Nutella to explain why she pushed me when I was not around and apparently continues to do so just based on my skimming? JJJ was extremely reluctant to TR me for a reason, because he knows I am town. Now if I had to guess, JJJ probably was townreading at least one of his buddies. I'd need to go back and reread his posts though to figure out exactly who he was townreading to begin with though.
the claim stuff feels like a weirdly specific thing for anne to care about, because i dont really think anyone in this game has been cleared solely on the basis of their claim beyond maybe illario/leetic
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falcon45ca wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:26 am [VOTE: Anne] aubergine


Voting Mac here is still silly. His slot should resolve soon, and if it doesn't then it's a wagon worth exploring. But not D2
@falcon45ca - why should his slot resolve soon? he already fullclaimed
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ilario wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:40 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:27 am
ilario wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:25 am But who am I misreading then 🥺
i dunno, what do ur reads currently look like? if you post a list of ur reads then ill tell you where i think youre most likely misreading or misclearing

it'll have to be tomorrow tho cause i should have gone to bed like an hour ago

Ummm I don’t think Alexa or lc ever busses jjj like that So they are town. I don’t think bunny hops off like that eod as mafia and gives up on easy towncred and when I was going over eod yesterday with leetic I found towny posts from iaafr and think he’s town.

Falcon is town regardless of macs alignment, I don’t think they’re scum together but I can see Mac using falcons inactivity and his habits of hard tunneling a read as someone who would be perfect to pocket and scumside while Mac just hides in scum chat manipulating him and talking about farts in the thread. I am somewhat exaggerating this scenario because of how annoying falcons read on me is lol and the fact that he just afks all game and decides as his only worthwhile contribution is to random tunnel me is just aggravating. I also think leetic mentioned somewhere that nook fossed Mac and the nook NK implies there’s probably Atleast one more syndicate regular in the scum team and Rn I think nutella is more towny than mac.

Anne I thought was town early on, read through her iso last night and still seemed fine to me. Idk if her interaction with jjj early game is a point in her favour or against her favour given that she is good at theatre as scum. Like I don’t get why she cares about jjjs read on her when they don’t have much experience together but other then that I think she’s been towny.

Naa won me over by his reaction to me today, but him only hunting for two scum when there’s 3 alive is a bit hmmmm

Leetic has a theory that Nutella might have tmi’d esooa as a partner but if that’s not the case then I can see a world where they’re both town. I had reservations about nutella after the flip yesterday but I think her posts today seem genuine and so do esooas and also I think if sloonei was maf with jjj d1 he would have Atleast made more of an effort. I get people can get busy irl but nobody is so busy that they can’t Atleast make a few decent posts. People don’t low post because they’re live is super busy, yes it plays a factor but if someone still cared about the outcome they’ll still put in some effort to post even if busy. I think sloonei would have felt as with jjj as his teammate. Also jjj made some post about saving his posts near eod to get to talk to sloonei and that didn’t feel partnery to me.

So yeah that leaves dizzy wilgy mac you even though you had posts I liked on d1 I also did find some stuff that felt off about u at times
agreed that alexa and LC are town

i agree that occam's razor points to falcon just being a villager, although im reluctant to clear him specifically because of mac's claim because mac has a recent history of hard shielding and hard defending one of his partners and trying to go to endgame from it (that game where he was wolf with kane and twice shrunk). even so, i agree that there's a higher probability that falcon is town than not

i think that you're clearing anne, NAA, and esooa too easily. do you have any reasons to townread anne beyond her being "fine"? i agree that some of her posts on d1 were towny, but we're at a stage of the game where that isn't a good enough reason to townread someone. i also don't agree with you that NAA's reaction was towny

also, i fundamentally disagree with your reasoning for townreading the esooa slot and i think it's a weird thing to read into. we know for a fact that sloonei was very busy IRL throughout d1, and i think it's weird to assume that he would have magically gotten more free time and ability to post if he had rand'd wolf with jagged - that doesn't seem like a reasonable or logical assumption to make, and i think it's the type of reasoning that will get you burned incredibly easily. i also think that esooa sounds tonally stiff in a way that i have NEVER seen from her in a mafia game before, so i'm not sure what to do with that
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ilario wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:25 am But who am I misreading then 🥺
i dunno, what do ur reads currently look like? if you post a list of ur reads then ill tell you where i think youre most likely misreading or misclearing

it'll have to be tomorrow tho cause i should have gone to bed like an hour ago
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MacDougall wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:38 pm Town

falcon
iaafr
Lime coke
Nutella

Prob town but weh

Jay
spf
Marmot
wilgy
Axe

Haven't seen them post

Anne

Kill in

Dyslexicon
Cassandra
leetic

if I've missed anyone they're null too I guess

you can flip me now

*farts*
my main concern about mac is that his POE on d1 feels quite a lot like it was written w/the intention to wolfside, especially if dizzy is town. if i take his claim off of the table then im not really sure if i have any reasons to townread him, and i feel like i ~should~ have reasons to townread mac on d2 of a game like this
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ilario u already found me as town on d1 dont doubt urself my dude
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MacDougall wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:04 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:52 am
ilario wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:50 am
MacDougall wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:33 am I feel like esooa is probably town because if sloonei randed mafia with Jay he would have tried harder
i agree
fwiw i think this is a bad read because im 99% sure that sloonei would be equally as busy in real life regardless of his alignment
sounds like tmi

you're actually sloonei aren't you
Image
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also currently leaning on iaafr/nutella both being villagers even if it feels weird in my gut to say
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Lime Coke wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:46 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:43 am ftr im starting to think that nutella is probably just town again
Can you state your entire worldview if you have the time?
i feel pretty strongly about you and illario/leetic and cassandra and marmot all being villagers. anne/wilgy/esooa/NAA contains at least one wolf but possibly two. i'm still sorting things out from there but i'll have a fleshed out readslist by the end of the day
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ilario wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:50 am
MacDougall wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:33 am I feel like esooa is probably town because if sloonei randed mafia with Jay he would have tried harder
i agree
fwiw i think this is a bad read because im 99% sure that sloonei would be equally as busy in real life regardless of his alignment
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MacDougall wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:45 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:43 am ftr im starting to think that nutella is probably just town again
looking for that elusive easy place to park your vote but ya just can't can ya
nah i already found it

[VOTE: macdougall] aubergine
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:52 pm I’m not sure any chop on the board is a bigger shrug than Wilgy. I have no read. Folks newer to him should be aware though that his general approach to this game isn’t atypical of what I know of DrWilgy. This is what he do
this post is like 80% of the reason why i still think that wilgy has a mild amount of wolfy equity
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ftr im starting to think that nutella is probably just town again
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also mac is openwolfing if he actually tries pushing me peace
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ilario wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:19 am Is it wild that I’m thinking alexa Nutella and esooa can all be town?
i think it's possible too, but moreso the first 2
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i watched the entirety of the anime "BOFURI" with a friend tonight. it was extremely cute and extremely wholesome and had a shockingly high production value. would recommend.

probably gonna go to bed now. ill dive into the spew tomorrow and flesh out my POE a bit further. i'll be traveling back and forth this weekend so i might not have a ton of time to post, but i'll do my best
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for the record, i don't think that nutella scumreading cassandra is inherently wolfy - i actually think it's pretty likely that nutella would be paranoid of cassandra in this game regardless of her alignment - cassandra is a strong wolf with a good reputation that just played a very public wolf game where she bussed extensively

my larger concern about nutella is just that i cant figure out if she's bullshitting her reads or not, and i almost always have a better grasp on her at this stage of the game than i do right now
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nutella wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:55 am @spf bc she dropped off weirdly d1 after expressing discomfort performatively, and did some stuff early that alexa said are wolftells for her
okay, these are the exact reasons why anne is still in my POE too. we'll see if she posts her way out of it today. im just concerned that you made up the "wagon dynamics" thing to make your read on anne look stronger than it actually is, especially since you didn't even mention any of these reasons in the original post that i quoted
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cassandra wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:53 am spf, do u think im sus or no
no, i think you're town. the way that your suspicion on jagged developed throughout d1 felt incredibly organic to me and like something that you didn't "plan" ahead of time. i also generally think that it's true that you were a major factor in jagged going over on d1, and if you were planning to bus him on d1 and get towncred, i suspect your approach would have been more strategic/less sloppy
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nutella wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:54 am idk i dont wanna bend over backwards to confbias anne scum, spf had a decent point (though i think they could be w/w lmao)
why am i even at the bottom of ur readslist?
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esooa's posts seem unusually stiff
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nutella wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:47 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:43 am
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:14 am
Lime Coke wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:11 am
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:11 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:02 am @ilario voting the deciding vote against mafia is a bad play tbh. I have no reason to move from Anne to JJJ if I'm on his team.
Bc Anne is also maf obv
Why? Literally explain why.
Wagons, movement and composition like marmot said, other ppl are townier

Idk I think axe's last minute vote on Jay is an awkward bus regardless of anne's alignment, but it's possible she has a stronger role
@nutella - can you expand on the bolded please? there was a completely immovable and stubborn wagon on anne that remained static in spite of how chaotic the EOD1 got, and this gave me the impression that anne was the designated d1 mischop. i dont think this read holds up to logical scrutiny and i actually think it's entirely possible anne is mafia, but im curious why you think that the wagon movement points to her being a wolf when i think on a surface level, it looks like the opposite
i had that thought overnight but it also depends on wilgy i think. but then marmot posted about how pure the wagon was and im not sure we can draw a form conclusion either way
at the risk of sounding hedgy, that's where i'm landing as well. t's worth noting that jagged didn't really do anything to concentrate suspicion toward anne at any point throughout d1 - his choice to join the anne wagon was entirely reactive and entirely based on the rest of the thread making her a viable option.

in a world where anne/wilgy are both wolves, jagged would be inbetween a rock and a hard place and would be incentivized to bus his partner that did not have a free vig shot. in a world where anne/wilgy are W/T, i could see jagged deciding to bus anne and hoping that he would get enough towncred from her flip to re-establish his position in the thread. in a world where anne/wilgy are T/W, jagged would also be incentivized to vote for anne and protect his partner with a vig shot. in a world where anne/wilgy are T/T, i could see jagged perceiving wilgy as more likely to go over, and trying to look more "pure" by staying on the wagon that didnt flip

what im saying is that jagged's vote on anne would make strategic sense from his point of view regardless of anne's alignment, so i don't think jagged's vote on anne is alignment indicative for her in either direction. so, if we put that off the table, why is anne mafia? why do you scumread her?
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nutella wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:14 am
Lime Coke wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:11 am
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:11 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:02 am @ilario voting the deciding vote against mafia is a bad play tbh. I have no reason to move from Anne to JJJ if I'm on his team.
Bc Anne is also maf obv
Why? Literally explain why.
Wagons, movement and composition like marmot said, other ppl are townier

Idk I think axe's last minute vote on Jay is an awkward bus regardless of anne's alignment, but it's possible she has a stronger role
@nutella - can you expand on the bolded please? there was a completely immovable and stubborn wagon on anne that remained static in spite of how chaotic the EOD1 got, and this gave me the impression that anne was the designated d1 mischop. i dont think this read holds up to logical scrutiny and i actually think it's entirely possible anne is mafia, but im curious why you think that the wagon movement points to her being a wolf when i think on a surface level, it looks like the opposite
by staypositivefriend
Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:39 am
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

alright, im caught up with the thread. im somewhat tipsy and tired as hell so wont be able to dive into things until i get some sleep, but cassandra, illario/leetic, marmot, and lime coke are all villagers
by staypositivefriend
Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:23 am
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

what's up gamers

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