The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:34 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:41 pm did anyone else roll mafia or just me?
I rolled rogue. No idea what that is tho.

leaving this here without further comment

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:57 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:50 pm i feel morally obligated to vote tim after he dropped that ATE. i hate ate so much
did you also not say you were feeling frustrated at getting scumread? i dont think its that unusual or outlandish to say the things you and tim said

i was frustrated, but i stopped myself from ATE'ing as much as possible. tim's ate felt overblown/performative to me, although im sure he's probably frustrated regardless of his alignment

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:55 pm Imagine having a radio for a head

thom yorke btfo

going to continue talking about radiohead until further notice, because i dont think much productive discussion is happening and i'd rather get the threadstate back to a casual place

this is easily one of the best songs on AMSP, the chorus is haunting af

this is one of the most underrated radiohead songs, imo. very hypnotic and melancholy, i love it

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:12 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:09 pm i prescribe to the rule of thumb that not everyone who ATEs is mafia, but that all mafia ATE

tim being performatively angry & outraged about being killed while simultaneously making comments about how he's excited to die so that he can rub it in our faces does nothing but make me think he's scum/3p that's relying on overly emotional language in a last-ditch effort to get people to townread him. if he wants to make the logical case for why he's town, then i'll listen, but all he's doing right now is making me want to dig in my heels and stop reading his posts. i do not care about emotional appeals or ego-battles
I don't have a logical case for how I'm not the 3P.

Do you? Does anyone?

However, I have made the logical case for how Wilgy is a wolf and I am not. If you missed it the first twenty times, tough luck for both of us I guess.

in my eyes you've given a logical case for why wilgy is a wolf while failing to acknowledge how there are similar discrepancies in your own claim

i prescribe to the rule of thumb that not everyone who ATEs is mafia, but that all mafia ATE

tim being performatively angry & outraged about being killed while simultaneously making comments about how he's excited to die so that he can rub it in our faces does nothing but make me think he's scum/3p that's relying on overly emotional language in a last-ditch effort to get people to townread him. if he wants to make the logical case for why he's town, then i'll listen, but all he's doing right now is making me want to dig in my heels and stop reading his posts. i do not care about emotional appeals or ego-battles

"your reads suck"

"i cant wait to rub it in your face"

"ill leave you to do something stupid"

yeah sorry i have no intention of switching after tim drops lines like that. that level of ate comes from cornered scum 90% of the time

i feel morally obligated to vote tim after he dropped that ATE. i hate ate so much

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:42 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:12 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:48 pm hi, i'm catching up w/what i missed now! could i get a basic summary of why we know there's a maf in tim/wilgly?
Wilgy says that only one person visited Ted.
Tim said he visited Ted.

We know that Dizzy visited Ted.

So either Wilgy or Tim is lying.
And since we also know that barring something really weird Wilgy ALSO lied about the other part of his claim, but Tim doesn't kiss ass to the town core so let's kill him anyway.

this ate does nothing but make me want to fos you more. who is fos'ing you for not kissing up to the towncore?

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:28 pm which is still fine but I'd rather resolve wilgy first

to be honest ive been suspicious of tim all game and i see today as the best opportunity to get rid of him. he's good at talking himself out of things and he had a lot of people here starting to TR him - that's dangerous if he is scum like i suspect he may be

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:00 pm I reckon Samu is mafia tbh. There's been none of this half partial can claim your role and when you miss but not when you hit crapola. That claim is ass.

i find it very hard to believe that samu/herm are both town. my gut is telling me that there's a maf in them

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:36 pm early townreads are tutuu, alison, and oddmerta

early scumreads are nutella, tim, and spirit

not to flex but

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:39 am @staypositivefriend re: your question last night here was my thought process on holstering.

I have x number of shots. I decided to use one on N1 because I thought I might get chopped early and needed to use my ability. I thought Mac was most likely to be fingered for the kill and therefore most likely to be doctored which would likely save him from other abilities so I chose Alison. (As it turned out I should have chosen Mac).

On N2 I saw things a little differently. It didn't seem likely that I would be yeeted because I had some strong town reads and it didn't look likely that I would be NK'd soon because there were so many galaxy brains the mafia would be after, including a galaxy brain with a power role that had broken the game open. I felt like I would more likely be one of the middle tier people that made it further into the game. And I also felt like later in the game I'd have a much better idea where to use my role, so I holstered.

As it turns out I'm glad I holstered because now I have much more knowledge about who to protect. I will probably not make it to mid game but meanwhile can play a fairly important role instead of playing a guessing game with where to use my power.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

thanks for the explanation, i vibe with your thought process

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:50 pm SPF - ??? [@staypositivefriend did you make a claim? You're locktown so you don't have to if you don't want to, but if you did let me know and I'll record it.]

nope, im not allowed to claim

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:12 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:48 pm hi, i'm catching up w/what i missed now! could i get a basic summary of why we know there's a maf in tim/wilgly?
Wilgy says that only one person visited Ted.
Tim said he visited Ted.

We know that Dizzy visited Ted.

So either Wilgy or Tim is lying.

cool thanks

[VOTE: tim] aubergine

hi, i'm catching up w/what i missed now! could i get a basic summary of why we know there's a maf in tim/wilgly?

honestly ted is prolly maf

oddmerta's reads are so consistently vague & off that it's making it impossible for me to lock him as town. i feel a cognitive dissonance between the way that he's confidently coming into the thread declaring himself an expert mafia player while unironically suggesting that he's scumreading people for jokingly claiming mafia in the pre-game. perhaps i'll elaborate on this when i am more sober because i don't want to come off as mean lmao

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:59 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:51 am
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Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:49 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:47 am @Oddmerta

who's in the bottom of your POE right now? me, tim, and drwigly? who else?
Are you up for a little speculation about mechanics? My drive to kill Wilgy is faltering.

PS...you really do misspell everyone's names, don't you?

sure, why are you skeptical about the wilgy lynch? what's making you doubtful?

also yeah, i do, lmao. i am notoriously bad at paying attention to other peoples usernames
So here's the thing...Wilgy's claim, on it's own, has that "too complicated to have been made up" feel. Mac acknowledged that and Wilgy joked back in a really towny natural way.

But part of his claim is a track on JPIC to Tutuu's. When Tutuu didn't get post capped she and Wilgy arrived at "well JPIC must have just gone to make it look like he was following Mac's plan." No offense to Tutuu, but that doesn't wash and I blasted Wilgy, who disappeared. (maybe just because he was leaving anyway)

But I took it as he has no answer for "bull, he can't just wander around, if he went to Tutuu's he went to post cap, and she didn't get postcapped."

However, it later struck me that if the order of resolution goes a certain way Wilgy gets his track, then JPIC gets vigged, then JPIC's postcap doesn't go because he is dead.

And I think...why does Wilgy create this elaborate claim with a huge hole in it? This is just real.

the most simple explanation i can give for this is that wilgy simply claimed that tutuu visited JPIC because he's scum and he had the TMI to correctly know where tutuu was going. i could see a world where wilgy decided to claim where his partner visited without much regard for how complicated the mechanics would become

but let's say we do live in a world where wilgy is town - where would that leave your reads? do you think all the pr claims are real in that case?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:49 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:47 am @Oddmerta

who's in the bottom of your POE right now? me, tim, and drwigly? who else?
Are you up for a little speculation about mechanics? My drive to kill Wilgy is faltering.

PS...you really do misspell everyone's names, don't you?

sure, why are you skeptical about the wilgy lynch? what's making you doubtful?

also yeah, i do, lmao. i am notoriously bad at paying attention to other peoples usernames

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:47 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:46 am
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:39 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I gave Dr Wilgy my town shield ever since he told me how to upload avatars. I have suspected spf and timsup ever since they had this weird outing themselves banter with Hally on day 1

spf and timsup are now both voting for Dr Wilgy, will you join me on a tim wagon?
cant believe my mafia partner hally is gone
It is a bummer...we shouldn't have outed ourselves like that. There had to be at least one brilliant player in the crowd that would catch us.

dont know what we would do w/out oddmerta to call us out for openwolfing like that

[mention]Oddmerta[/mention]

who's in the bottom of your POE right now? me, tim, and drwigly? who else?

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:39 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I gave Dr Wilgy my town shield ever since he told me how to upload avatars. I have suspected spf and timsup ever since they had this weird outing themselves banter with Hally on day 1

spf and timsup are now both voting for Dr Wilgy, will you join me on a tim wagon?

cant believe my mafia partner hally is gone

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:18 am Well, you could take me out.

I suddenly am not so sure about killing Wilgy by the way...pending answers from Sloonei about a mechanical thing.

the consensus on you has turned around quite a lot but i still don't see a solid reason to tr you, tbqh

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:17 am Technically we do still have to solve the rogue after so I caution against getting too complacent but this is pretty good.

i'm leaning on the rogue being in the bottom of the POE as well, but it's a lot harder to confidently say that

locktown:
alison
mac
tonystarkprime
nanook
poison
radishes
tutuu

incredibly strong town lean:
dyachei
juliets

scum:
drwilgy
herm
dyslexicon
longcon
oddmerta
samu
ted
tim

if we can just narrow down that scumpool a little bit, we're more or less in autowin. it might just be the alcohol talking but i feel extremely good about this POE

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

yeah poison is town

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:14 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:13 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:13 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:11 am No mafia on Kid A or Amnesiac
Flipped mafia on OK Computer, Hail to the Thief and Moon Shaped Pool

This leaves In Rainbows, The King of Limbs, The Bends, Pablo Honey?

@Timsup2nothin sorry dude but he's not targeting OK Computer. He targeting In Rainbows or The Bends imo.
So, this is based on one Maf per album and adds yet another lock clear on me. I'm cool with that. Tell SPF for me.
i'm clearing absolutely nobody off of speculation that there's only one maf per album. we don't know that
We have confirmation that there are four mafia on four different albums. So you probably should assume the fifth is also on their own album.

the logic is pointing toward there being one maf per album but i'm not going to ride or die w/that theory, since it is ultimately just speculation

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:13 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:11 am No mafia on Kid A or Amnesiac
Flipped mafia on OK Computer, Hail to the Thief and Moon Shaped Pool

This leaves In Rainbows, The King of Limbs, The Bends, Pablo Honey?

@Timsup2nothin sorry dude but he's not targeting OK Computer. He targeting In Rainbows or The Bends imo.
So, this is based on one Maf per album and adds yet another lock clear on me. I'm cool with that. Tell SPF for me.

i'm clearing absolutely nobody off of speculation that there's only one maf per album. we don't know that

Herm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:10 am New Reads List:

TOWN
Alison
MacDougall
Poison Chan
Juliets
TonyStarkPrime

WEAK TOWN
Dyslexicon
Timsup2nothin
Nanook
Long Con

HAS IT IN FOR ME LOL
Tutuu
Justplayingitcool

UNSURE
Dyachei
Oddmerta

SCUM
Master Radishes
DrWilgy
Tedxtr
Samusamu

where am i?

also i am several glasses of wine deep so apologies if my posts significantly degrade in quality from here

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:50 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:45 am

yea yea whatever

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:43 am Now why is the JPIC read interdasting?
un momento por favor as i go back to pull up exactly what you said
Hey thats spanish!

I was wondering why i diddnt write nothing of u yet, but now u get my attention.

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:04 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:14 am Okay JPIC, here's the good news. I think sprit and you both look bad but I also don't think you can be wolves together and the way sprit tried to turn the subject to you when under pressure indicates that you're the town of that pair. Here's your chance to show me you're town. Tell me where your head is at with the gamestate atm. Do you feel optimistic about the mass of people all heavily townreading each other? Do you have any reads you feel strongly about?
Ankward.

What is this about inviting jpic to read it as town?

What do you expect from that kind of bait, what answer would make you see them as partners?

both of these posts are a little uncomfy

poision/dya have both significantly moved up in my towncore over the last few hours. i dont see either of them approaching their claims like they did as scum

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:49 pm herm's role encourages song claiming

"claim your song name so that we can have herm peek you"

a la nutella was like "claim your song name so i can protect you"

idk

like, even if herm is town, and he manages to receive a confirmation that Song X belongs to scum - what now? what useful info is this?

feels like herm's role is virtually useless to us unless all of us album claim, and im uncomfortable w/that for a number of reasons

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:51 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:50 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:05 pm Additionally, on two separate nights, you can target a player to falsify any reports they might receive. You may not target the same player twice with this ability
not to tinfoil but is it possible for this to apply to alison's check on nanook?
sprityo falsified mac and died inmediately. No window to tailor me

good point, i forgot that he went on mac

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:05 pm Additionally, on two separate nights, you can target a player to falsify any reports they might receive. You may not target the same player twice with this ability

not to tinfoil but is it possible for this to apply to alison's check on nanook?

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:45 pm not saying it's 100% scum but it's definitely not a helpful role or one that makes me want to shield jt

it feels simultaneously overpowered and underpowered

the only player we can confirm had an album from one of herm's checks (amnesiac/kid A) is hally, and they died before we could find out if they were notified

this has me genuinely curious how the albums are distributed

Herm wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:38 pm To start off, my role sounds a bit similar to Poison's role, but I assume it's not entirely the same.

I'm some kind of Song Cop.

I scan albums each night, looking for roles.

N1 I scanned the Amnesiac Album, but I didn't get any results. I'm supposed to get results if there's any scum roles on this album. If town is on this album they should be notified of my search. Not sure how this works tbh.

N2 I scanned Kid A. No results this time either. So I assume there's no scum on this album.

My role also has this Day 1 thing tailored to it, that if I don't have any votes at EOD of D1, then I'm bp for N1.

I was successful, but I think I was too scummy to be targeted N1 lol.

if any town has a song from amnesiac/kid A and they weren't notified of herm's search, they should probably claim that

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:34 pm I'm not buying the panic read on Herm lol. Just let them claim.

The more I think about it the more I think samu and ted have high scum equity.

ted in particular had some really awkward/hedgy lines about JPIC. i'll take a look at samu's interactions since i've been sidelining him

i feel pretty comfortable townlocking tutuu now fwiw

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:31 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:30 pm maybe im just nitpicking but these posts concern me that herm is buying time to make up a fakeclaim lmao
why not just afk in the thread while they ask their buddy for help if that's the case

youre not wrong, the posts are just odd

Herm wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:24 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:13 pm
Herm wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:11 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:10 pm why is herm claiming? they haven't done anything wrong
Herm is in my original POE and everyone that isn't banned from claiming is claiming now.
Mass claiming on D3 isn't necessary, right?
we have a lot of confusion surrounding night actions and it's best if we clear that confusion up as neatly as possible
Alright, I'm fine with claiming then.

Herm wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:29 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:25 pm What is your claim Herm? Do not include the song title, only the claim.
Sure.

maybe im just nitpicking but these posts concern me that herm is buying time to make up a fakeclaim lmao

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:25 pm I'm skeptical that town has this much power. IME when this happens it's because a power role we thought was town is actually mafia. (Cite: Philosopher's Mafia) I currently have Wilgy as the most likely to fill that role, since everyone else seems clear for multiple reasons.

i feel the same way rn. regardless of anything, i don't think all of these claims are real

setup speculation/mechs aren't my strong suit by any means, so i'm going to avoid the temptation of basing my reads on mechs/claims and instead continue to base them on partner equity

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:15 pm also you're forgetting about samu, who has more scum equity than either radishes or herm imo

i've maintained that samu had a really pure/towny tone throughout d1 but i haven't done a deep dive into his interactions. do they reflect badly on him?

radishes hasn't particularly stood out to me this game, tbh. he had a few decent interactions with nutella and that was it. the only reason i'm assuming he might be scum is because mac/poison have both implied that he could be mechanically confirmed

herm has really bad interactions with all of the flipped mafia and it's really hard for me to overlook that

i would say with a fair amount of confidence that the pool of wigly/lc/dizzy is not all town. in fact, those 5 names (wigly/lc/dizzy/herm/radishes) probably have the last scum, but i'm still skeptical about tim

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:09 pm wilgy > lc > dizzy and we hit at least 1 wolf, i guarantee it

100%, and probably more than one

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:02 pm I think JPIC definitely targeted Tutuu.

Perhaps the reality is that he intended to red check her and the mafia roleblocker also targeted him so she wouldn't get post capped to make his claim more believable?

Ergo Wilgy is probably the mafia roleblocker?

is it possible for mafia to target their partners with abilities, though? i know different sites have different rules

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:01 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:52 pm I'm a little bit miffed that so many people can claim and it seems only Hally, SPF and myself can't.

@staypositivefriend what's your feeling on these claims?
alison is real

nook/tsp are real by proxy

dya is real (the way they're approaching the claim is just really genuine imo)

juliets is real on a surface level, but i get your grievance about her choosing to holster. i'm still inclined to believe her but i'd like to hear her explain her thought process more clearly

my first thought is that long con's ability felt more like a mafia ability than a town ability, tbh. i do not townread him even if i believe that the claim is probably real

drwigly's claim is specific but i do not townread him for that alone. it's not beyond the mafs ability to make up a believable fakeclaim

and mostly, i have no idea why the hell i'm not allowed to claim when these other roles are, lmao
last sentence is a fucking mood

how do you feel about the notion that TSP doctored Hally but it apparently didn't stop the kill?

it puzzles me because the claim implies that the mafia has a roleblocker ability of some sort - and i can't see why they would go out of their way to target TSP of all people. it's possible that the role is inverse and blocks a specific targeted from being protected, though. it doesn't give me much useful information, tbh

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