The Syndicate

Sheep wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:41 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:38 pm generally i get the impression that nutella's strategy this game has been to piggyback off of the incorrect reads of other players

she piggybacked off of porscha and long con's incorrect push on robyn on d1 and used it to coast and tunnel them

she piggybacked off of the thread's incorrect scumread on long con on d2 as an excuse to tunnel him

now she's trying to piggyback off of pyxyy's read on me as an excuse to tunnel me, which would logically mean that pyxyy is town but im not as sure about that yet

Is Nutella good at reading Robyn because I find them a fairly easy read

honestly im not sure

i find robyn kinda easy to read so it's possible im projecting my own thoughts about robyn onto nutella a little bit

fmpov robyn was a pretty towny slot that got pushed on for some really bad/questionable reasons, and nutella being one of the core people pushing robyn for flimsy reasons in a threadstate where i would expect them to put more effort into reading them, it just felt like she was a wolf going for an easy miselimination

i was resigned to long con dying because i was not present in the thread for nearly the entire weekend and at the point that i returned it was obvious that i would not be able to get him eliminated within the next 45 minutes

it's just reading the room tbh

anyway i promise im not gonna spend the full 48 hours 1 v 1ing with nutella i just really want the rest of the thread to come to her being mafia so that i can focus on other things

generally i get the impression that nutella's strategy this game has been to piggyback off of the incorrect reads of other players

she piggybacked off of porscha and long con's incorrect push on robyn on d1 and used it to coast and tunnel them

she piggybacked off of the thread's incorrect scumread on long con on d2 as an excuse to tunnel him

now she's trying to piggyback off of pyxyy's read on me as an excuse to tunnel me, which would logically mean that pyxyy is town but im not as sure about that yet

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:35 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:29 pm im gonna be honest though, the real argument for you being mafia is just the fact that your vibes are off lol

nutella is a great player but she is caught almost immediately whenever she's mafia. this is because she struggles to project towniness and solving in the same way that she does as town, and her general posts are stilted and uncomfortable

nutella is a popular n1 kill in most town games that she plays bcuz she's such a fierce solver and so good at projecting towniness

and here we are on d3 and she has done nothing but tunnel two villagers to death with shakey reasoning while making no attempt to meaningfully re-assess or shake up her wolrdview, while not towntelling

she's just outed mafia idk what to say lol

yeah there is no way you actually believe this lol

my perspectives have been clear throughout the thread

oh they've been clear, but that's part of the problem lol

you thought robyn was mafia because "of an interaction"

you thought long con was mafia because "he pushed robyn" even though you had the same suspicions about robyn at the same time as him

your reads are transparently lacking in depth of thought

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:32 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:27 pm the ways in which robyn was towntelling later in that dayphase

which were what exactly

i don't care to get into a back and forth about why robyn was towny because it would be really easy for you to refute it and say "no they werent towny!" regardless of what i say

i simply think that you would have put more thought and consideration into reading them if u were town, instead of tunneling them blindly based on flimsy phoned in reasoning

im gonna be honest though, the real argument for you being mafia is just the fact that your vibes are off lol

nutella is a great player but she is caught almost immediately whenever she's mafia. this is because she struggles to project towniness and solving in the same way that she does as town, and her general posts are stilted and uncomfortable

nutella is a popular n1 kill in most town games that she plays bcuz she's such a fierce solver and so good at projecting towniness

and here we are on d3 and she has done nothing but tunnel two villagers to death with shakey reasoning while making no attempt to meaningfully re-assess or shake up her wolrdview, while not towntelling

she's just outed mafia idk what to say lol

you voted robyn and tunneled them without question for "that interaction with porscha", referring to an interaction where robyn called poescha town in response to porscha tunneling her

this was your sole and singular stated reasoning for voting for robyn. i'm reasonably sure that town!you would have seen the ways in which robyn was towntelling later in that dayphase, and wouldn't have voted them for such a frivolous reason in the first place

but not only did you tunnel robyn for a vague and weak reason, you tunneled long con because: "his vote on robyn could be predatory", even though he voted for robyn based off of the same interaction that you did, and seemed to share in similar suspicions that you did

your only other stated reasoning for scumreading long con was: "nothing he's saying makes sense", which is vague to an extent that lets you avoid having to describe specific issues with his posts, and also a funny thing to push on him for considering that you yourself acknowledged that his posts can be hard to parse as town

and now coming into d3 you are confidently tunneling me because i ....called you mafia for not being towny enough

there is not a single shred of solving or depth of thought in anything that you have posted this game. it is obvious that you are phoning in your reads and phoning in your worldview and pushing as many villagers as possible before you get caught

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:36 pm I did really agree with spf that nutella has the capacity to be insanely obvious town very quickly and it's worrisome if she isnt. so individually I found LC and nutella both wolfy and I do heed pyxxy's argument of "but why would 2 wolf stack a town" but like . idk look at those wagons. look at them all day. so little movement and no guarantee robyn doesnt die, right? if it's t/t wagons then like idk. there were people on 1 man wagons we'd need to lewk at that again. cuz like yeah... idk I cant think of a GOOD reason for 2 wolves to be the only 2 votes on there and if I have to pick I'd say LC is the wolf and nutella isnt but idk

granted she landed on the wrong side of you/LC but she certainly did see the same stuff that i was seeing

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:18 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:15 pm okay well you can have whatever read on me you want

the fact of the matter is that nutella has not towntold at a single point in this entire game when she is genuinely one of the most obvious villagers in every single town game that she plays

she is extremely good at projecting town and she has barely lifted a finger this game and pushed two village eliminations back to back

if you cant figure out my alignment then you should figure out hers - she's an obvious wolf and any villager who doesnt see it today has blinders on

it's like you're trying to rewrite reality here bc I've been towntelling all over the place, you should know that getting pushes wrong just happens to me a lot as town bc I don't have tmi, you can see where I've tried to reevaluate in live reactions to stuff and I do regret that eod ended up so stagnant on LC instead of getting more pressure on you but ah well

you're the one who told me that you're not towntelling as much as usual because of how slow paced the game is lol

we both know that u dont believe that youve been towntelling all over the place

it's fine to be wrong but your reads on both LC and robyn were phoned in to an extent that they are not something i could ever see u believing as town

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:16 pm I've concluded my reads suck and pyxxy was right about everything

yeah and it was easy to see how you were using pyxyy's read that you and LC were town v town as an avenue to push on me once LC flipped town

it's just a question of whether pyxyy is a villager who is misreading u for some reason or if ur wolfing together lol

it is not surprising that porscha died when she was one of the people who agreed with me that nutella was wolfing btw

ideally i would like to spend the rest of today to figure out who fits as a team with nutella and solve outside of her, but i will just tunnel her and case her aggressively as needed

okay well you can have whatever read on me you want

the fact of the matter is that nutella has not towntold at a single point in this entire game when she is genuinely one of the most obvious villagers in every single town game that she plays

she is extremely good at projecting town and she has barely lifted a finger this game and pushed two village eliminations back to back

if you cant figure out my alignment then you should figure out hers - she's an obvious wolf and any villager who doesnt see it today has blinders on

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:14 pm not like town spf to attempt to throw away a day phase in such a manner

what do u mean

hmm maybe this game is a sign that i should trust myself in my confident tunnels and become even more aggressive

i tr ur eaction to that

well if lc flips town then im gonna need ur help to kill nutella cause theyre proly gonnna go after me next lol

whereas i find most of long con's posts fairly NAI and think the only argument for him being town is that he doesntl ook super partnered with nutella

so nutella should die first IMO

i havent been here over the last 24 hours to push for her to die though and case her more, so everyone has just gravitated to killing LC

i think she's really scummy but everyone is tunneled on long con

i missed the entire first day of this game and missed about half of the second day so we're in the same boat of being kinda vaguely disconnected from this game

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:52 pm can someone explain to me this game in the next eight minutes

hi tsp

uhh robyn got pushed ond 1 and died and was town

long con has gotten tunneled by most of the thread and is about to die in like 5 minutes

nutella is the other person up for elimination and is tunneled by a few people (mostly me)

okay this holy holy song is even better - love the percussion and the textures being used and the kinda stream-of-consciousness vocal melody and the way the song swells and shifts during those final 60 seconds is really effective. mmm those synths

id rate it like an 8.510 maybe, good stuff

the cloud cult song is good - i like the usage of strings and folk instrumentation and the harmonies btwn the two singers mesh together really well

id rate it like a 7.8/10

okay i'm not getting a lot out of catching up with the thread and my head isnt really in this game

im jusst gonna wait to see what long con flips and figure out my worldview from there

if long con town then im probably going to deathtunnel nutella

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:52 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:50 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:25 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:17 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:15 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:57 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:47 pm

What makes you think that? I think Porscha's town as well.

porscha's sentiment that she had secret reasons to scumread robyn that she didn't feel like posting because she knew they would be ignored and invalidated felt like a real perspective to me - i think that wolves usually like their pushes to come off as more clean and logical, and so her push being based on something secret and her digging her heels in when she got pressured made it feel like a real pov

spf apologies but I think you are scum for this post

but why?

it reads as extremely post-facto, which is a phrase I just made up

it's a read based entirely in the past and with little risk to the present

it looks like work, but with the thread somewhat leaving Porscha alone and thus spewing her as town, along with Porscha's obvious solving, this is a lot of words to make a read look more thoughtful and developed than it actually is

it's not solving to post "Porscha town and uhhhhh the wagons look gr8, better flip both of them to be super sure there's not a wolf in there"

you know SPF hasn't been here day 1 right?

yeah but it was still a pretty pointless post to make
just stacking a tr onto a universally tr'd player post town flip with the other person in mention (robyn) is like. what's the point really

it was pointless for me to explain my townread on you when someone specifically asked me to>? ok lol

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:19 am I have a new strategy. We all ignore Long Con for the next 13 1/2 and a half hours or so. He’s just going to continue to spread seeds of chaos throughout the conversation. The more we respond, the more he’ll spew. You can think he’s guilty or not. But he’s definitely doing his best to distract us from discussing anything else. And, yeah, I’m also part of doing this. But it’s bad strategy to continue to goad him (other than possible off topic). Even if he is civ (which I very much doubt), we can engage with his ideas after the battle, should he be a contender (and I hope he is).

I, for one, is not going to answer LC’s FEBspewing. I’d rather think about what comes after this day and this night.

sorry, dude. You know I adore you. And also, say hi to BR!!

i think this post and lorab's general mindset around long con is really towny regardless of LC's alignment

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:00 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:18 am i looked at the first few pages earlier and thought porscha and cape were both town but then i got distracted lol

ill get fully caught up tomorrow

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:27 pm alright i'm caught up now

porscha seems like an obvious villager

falcon seems towny

wilgy seems towny

lorab/cape both seem towny to varying extents but less confident there

tsp idk

long con idk i wanna say he's towny for pushing on nutella but i havent really individually found his posts towny

dont have any real reasons to townread pyxy they seem kinda deflated to me

i thought sheep was towny at first but dont really think so anymore, his posts are W/E

think nutella is wolfy

So SPF, was there anything that made you waver on your TR on me rather then #502?

I do stuff like that sometimes if I am bored

i liked the fact that you pushed on nutella at a point when nobody else was but in hindsight i didnt feel like this was a good enough reason to keep you as a townread and i dont think youve been particularly towny outside of that

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:19 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 9:23 pm to be clear im not ~that confident about nutella/LC being unaligned but the way nutella has kinda anchored herself into the game by constantly pushing on LC and calling him wolfy kinda reads to me as a wolf who is trying to get him miseliminated more than partners doing a distancing play

but see like

I don't like you hedging here

your world view is Nutella scum, Long Con town. own it

hedging like this just feels like what you're arguing Nutella is doing, setting up a Long Con mischop, except in your case it's after a Nutella mischop

I do agree that Nutella and Long Con seem weirdly committed to being the two wagons of the day, I would even interpret it in your world view, if I didn't think that you're helping create TvT wagons

I also never said "wolves are sitting back" and that whole bit, I explicitly said that you feel like you're setting up TvT wagons...and look, here are you hedging on TvT wagons

from an outside POV i can understand why my treatment of long con would look hedgy and how this could fit within the framework of a wolf who wants to set up multiple miseliminations

in reality though i just dont find LC very towny or have any good reasons to call him town outside of my pre-flip association read of nutella being a wolf, which means that i'm not going to project confidence that i don't have

you're telling me to "own it" but it sounds more to me like you are telling me to lie about what i actually think lol

i am pretty confident about which person is which bcuz i spend a lot of time in mafia-related music circles, it's not TMI

it's not WIFOM as much as it is me observing the wagons and realizing that they are probably not going to change within the next hour and a half

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:25 pm miss "gl gl" spf has arrived

gl gl

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:26 pm God, it's like my brain's that tree,
and spf are those little cookie elves.

this is such a good analogy

looks like long con is dying though so gl gl

okay i am now going to attempt to catch up with everything i missed gl gl

hi ill be here tomorrow

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 9:24 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 9:17 pm which fits with the world i currently live in, which is a world where long con is town and nutella is mafia who has been trying to stack a robyn and long con ML back to back

Can you say more about why you think that LC is town? Because that seems highly unlikely to me.

it's less about anything that LC has individually posted and more that i think nutella is a wolf and the way she's gone about treating the LC slot doesn't look like W/W interaction

in a world where im being silly and nutella is town then i do think that LC is mafia ~most of the time

to be clear im not ~that confident about nutella/LC being unaligned but the way nutella has kinda anchored herself into the game by constantly pushing on LC and calling him wolfy kinda reads to me as a wolf who is trying to get him miseliminated more than partners doing a distancing play

now unfortunately im not going to be here pretty much at all between now and the EOD which means that long con is proly getting eliminated since i doubt anyone else is gonna take the imitative to try to get nutella killed even tho fmpov she seems to be bleeding scum

so gl gl

and also yes nutella is one of the most obvious villagers that ive ever seen and if she is coming off as strangely or unnaturally to you then it's because she's just mafia lol

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 2:47 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:34 am can you tell me why u think nutella and long con are town?

yes and ty for letting me sleep I got a wonderful 9 hours

Nutella is acting strange and so I might be overthinking it. I'm even willing to call you two a personal difference check for how I'm reading the game. I think of Nutella as more active, more "towny" although that's not super helpful, and often getting N1'd for being obv town from the wolves' perspective. I don't see that here.

However, the general willingness from the thread to scumread Nutella feels less like town being correct and more conf bias + wolves being fine with chopping town Nutella. Enough that I'm think I'm willing to try to yank the wagons off Nutella and.....

Long Con! LC is just scumreading townies again. Doesn't feel like when I wolfed with him and he had awkward TMI problems.

This + the entire thread being happy with these two wagons tells me they are both town wagons.

yeah if you're town then you are overthinking it because your description of the threadstate doesn't align with reality

you say that there's a "general willingness from the thread:" to scumread nutella, but is that actually true? the only person who was pushing for nutella to be eliminated prior to me coming into this game was long con, and everyone else has been content to focus primarily on other targets

the narrative that the wolves are sitting back and vibing as everyone piles on to nutella doesn't align with how the day has played out so far - seems obvious to me that the designated elimination for today is long con

which fits with the world i currently live in, which is a world where long con is town and nutella is mafia who has been trying to stack a robyn and long con ML back to back

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:02 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:20 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:50 pm still think wilgy is okay though sometimes he tryhards more as mafia. very back pocket break glass in emergency tier though

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:49 pm sheep's posts are ~weird but in a way that seems more like he's on his own?

like these reads simply do not feel real to me, gives off the vibe of a wolf phoning in content more than a villager who is actively playing from an uninformed perspective

i acknowledge that i am p tunneled however

gm i see that you are pushing me for pretty unfounded reasoning

I don't thiiink both LC and you are wolfing me here so if you're town and misreading me try again, my content is pretty obviously how I always toss out reads as town it's just such a low content thread with less to play off of. Real time interaction should help you find me

yeah i understand that there hasn't been much content in this game and maybe that would make it harder for you to be obvious town, but your read on long con doesn't make any sense to me

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:56 am [VOTE: robyn] aubergine for that interaction with porscha lol

lc wolf if theyre not though maybe

you voted robyn and didn't seem to doubt yourself on that vote at all even though they were towntelling and one of the most active solvers in the thread

and then you randomly threw long con and robyn in a dichtomy together - saying that long con might be mafia if robyn wasn't

and your reasoning for thinking that robyn/long con needed to contain one mafia is because long con's vote on robyn "could be predatory"

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:56 am [VOTE: robyn] aubergine for that interaction with porscha lol

lc wolf if theyre not though maybe

but you literally voted robyn at the exact same time that long con did and seemingly based on the exact same interaction. so, how does it make sense to say that his vote was "predatory" when it was a vote that you actively agreed with and followed at the time?

your worldview tracks as so incoherent to me that i really struggle to see a world where you can be town lol it seems like you are just phoning your reads in because you know you can get away with it

im open to realtiming with you in case im wrong, altho i proly wont be able to do that today

can you tell me why u think nutella and long con are town?

lol that reasoning to scumread me is kinda towny

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:15 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:57 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:47 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:45 pm kinda think that porscha's convicftion about robyn being mafia on page 4 was coming from a real place

What makes you think that? I think Porscha's town as well.

porscha's sentiment that she had secret reasons to scumread robyn that she didn't feel like posting because she knew they would be ignored and invalidated felt like a real perspective to me - i think that wolves usually like their pushes to come off as more clean and logical, and so her push being based on something secret and her digging her heels in when she got pressured made it feel like a real pov

spf apologies but I think you are scum for this post

why?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:45 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:59 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:03 am Robyn, Porscha, Abi, Falc all town.

Pretty solid so far. (These are now real reads).

if drwilgy is mafia it means he was townsiding p hard with his d1 reads, which is proly a good sign for him

2/4 on first set of reads being correct is town siding from a wolf perspective? Why?

well that post was written from the assumption that porscha and falcon are also town

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:38 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:29 pm @Long Con -

who do u think is maf with nut?

Wilgy would be my best guess. I get a vibe from him like he's trying very hard to seem towny, but isn't genuine.

can you help me see it? i'm not an expert wilgy reader by any means, but his solving has felt authentic enough to me. where are his wolftells?

@Long Con -

who do u think is maf with nut?

anyway i wont be around much this weekend unfortunately but hopefully that was enough #content to help rejuvenate the game and get more ppl talking about nutella