The Syndicate

Aw and thanks sabie for your little pop-ups in maf chat, def helped to make the pression go down at times!

Thanks JJJ for hosting the game! Flavour was super fun
This was definitely a really fun first time-ish wolf experience and a great learning experience. ^^

I'm still super impressed by the incredible anti-spew 112 did, it definitively helped a lot at start!

Ted, thanks for being an amazing partner despite your rand curse, for all the fun times in mafia chat, the planning, panicking & coaching!

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ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:45 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:40 pm Idk but I don’t think alison/carote is the correct choice today, I think they’re *probably* not the team so I’d rather hunt the other mafia and deal with a potential difference check between them tomorrow tbh

My preferred team tbh

wut. I hope this isn't some sort of shady mischop-Carotte-at-F3 setup, please just nightkill me

This is just lots of pretty surface level stuff and repeating it over and over won't make it true Alison
It's okay you played a good game, day 1 was rough for your team and it's already pretty impressive you made it that far.

I'm feeling pretty good about tedxtr's last set of posts and the vote on Alison. Will iso later but I'm around to chat for a while

ha I just like. want to yeet Alison and get nightkilled and finally be done with this game tbh

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:33 pm[...]
The one thing I question though is why she'd take the Carotte tunnel as a scum over me? The only explanation I can really find is that maybe Carotte unravelled her team and so she panicked and went at Carotte because she was scared, which doesn't look very realistic given what I heard about her. Although maybe that would add an element of WIFOM that would distract us from the fact that a proto kill is a kill that Alison always makes.

w!Alison isn't like, scared, but she definitely isn't afraid to turn against someone just because they're scumreading her. She did in SI and she won in endgame so lolz

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:31 pm I guess there’s no real reason I’m ruling out an alison/carote team going for the f5 cross bus to seal the deal at f3.

But, like...I think that’s probably a losing play for them, so idk

I’ll try to think more about teammate permutations later maybe, I don’t have enough time to figure this shit out properly but I feel like I owe broseph and co. at least an attempt

lol what is it with you people thinking Alison and me have bussed all game just for fun

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:22 am I'm like 95% on it being Carotte/ted now. Wilgy flipping V probably means Ted is W. I have to admit at this point that the odds of that being V/V is low, no matter how much I want to townread ted for his play earlier. (I have good reasons to townread nook and Colin too, so one of those townreads has to be wrong.) Carotte not re-evaluating her read on me at all in light of proto's flip does not make sense if she is town. If I am scum with Colin, why not just blast nook and let proto attack Carotte? Why townshield proto all game against lots of outside suspicion when I could easily let him die, only to kill him a night before ExLo?

No nightkill that has been performed this game makes sense if I am scum. Carotte has to know this. She also has to know that I have the solve if my towncore is correct. So she comes out and immediately attacks me, because that's what she realized she had to do.

I have good reason to believe Carotte is scum and Ted is scum, and I have good reason to townclear both noom and Colin. This is the way.

How am I not reevaluating my read on you? I went through why I think v!Alison doesn't fit any world, this is just trying to discredit me.

I'm pretty sure you thought you had Proto pocketed and that you could rely on him to win here but ended up having to nightkill him since he was starting to see the solve.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:14 pm Yeah I’m just ride or die with carote at this point and if they’re mafia you can yell at me about how obvious they were in post

Pretty sure colin is one, not sure if alison or ted is the second.

@Carotenoid can we do colin first, please? Pretty sold on him being mafia, combination of the resistance to doing him today and 112 scumreads on D1

Hmn I'm much more confident with Alison first. Not saying you'll never convince me but there's this thought in the back of my head of "what if it's Alison/Nanook"

Anyway rest well, heading off to sleep as well!

~27 hours before EoD1

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:47 pm

Spoiler: show

112
3
19%


Voters: nutella, Amy, ColinIsCool

Alison
1
6%


Voters: tutuu

Amy
2
13%


Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, MacDougall

Carotenoid
1
6%


Voters: Turnip Head

ColinIsCool
0
No votes


Voters: None

MacDougall
2
13%


Voters: TonyStarkPrime, protocultures

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes


Voters: None

nutella
1
6%


Voters: tedxtr

protocultures
0
No votes


Voters: None

tedxtr
0
No votes


Voters: None

TenThousandCalories
1
6%


Voters: 112

TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes


Voters: None

Turnip Head
0
No votes


Voters: None

tutuu
1
6%


Voters: Alison

Urist
0
No votes


Voters: None

No chop
0
No votes


Voters: None

No vote / Unvote
1
6%


Voters: Urist

~8 hours before EoD1

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:19 pm Votecount
112 (3): nutella, Amy, ColinIsCool
Alison (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, tutuu
Amy (1): Turnip Head
ColinIsCool (1): TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall (2): protocultures, tedxtr
Turnip Head/DrWilgy (3): 112, Alison, Urist
Urist (1): MacDougall

112 & Alison voting Turnip Head together is making me shiver. Could it be w/w? hmmn maybe.

Alison & 112 ignored the other's wagon until EoD. Alison had a stay on tutuu and switched when it was clearly not picking up. Second votecount shows that they did try to save 112!

Well, if you're town I hope you get a sudden inspiration. You're probably just mafia though

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:50 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:48 pm Hmmmn Colin agreeing with my takes throughout the game and then opportunistically switching to voting me when I get heat probably confirms Alison/Colin are the wolves!!

I don't want to get ahead of myself though. I'll take the time to ISO all the Alison possibilities before EoD, probs not tonight though.

There is no heat. I am the sole source of heat right now.

I’ve been wrong about most things since 112’s chop ... including your alignment.

And you happened to switch your mind at the exact moment Wilgy and Proto wanted me gone?

Hmmmn Colin agreeing with my takes throughout the game and then opportunistically switching to voting me when I get heat probably confirms Alison/Colin are the wolves!!

I don't want to get ahead of myself though. I'll take the time to ISO all the Alison possibilities before EoD, probs not tonight though.

Actually, for option #2, the only busser left is Colin. He is probably not paired with tedxtr since in that case they just needed to feed the Alison/me conflict, nk Nanook and then enter F5 in a pretty comfortable position.

Colin-Nanook is unlikely.

For all non-busser there's Nanook-tedxtr. Unlikely for the same reason than Colin-tedxtr.


So yeah, I don't see a world where Alison isn't a wolf.

Possible pairs:
Alison/Colin
Alison/Nanook
Alison/tedxtr
Colin/Nanook
Colin/tedxtr
Nanook/tedxtr

First thoughts:

* Pretty much everyone picked a fight with Nanook... ? I guess it might be distancing attempts with Nanook being confident in his survival abilities but like. I kinda just want to think he's just town.

* Does w!tedxtr force a Wilgy/him thunderdome knowing Wilgy will flip town and that it's gonna look bad for him? Before that, I think votes were like 1-1-1-2 or like 1-1-1-1. Him, Nanook & Colin weren't really in danger so if there's a partner he was trying to save, it was Alison. Why wouldn't they just try to make me chopped instead though? To make me be the winning mischop? ... maybe that's why proto died actually. hmn. Anyway, if tedxtr is wolf, it's probably with Alison.

* I'm realizing that Colin has played a pretty... peaceful game. Like, from purely his side of interactions I don't think there's anyone I would feel comfortable to call not w/w.

* Basically I think there's 2 main scenarios here:

1) 112 & Alison were w/w. If that's the case, I think they would be trying to save Alison over 112 since she was more likely to recover. It's a pretty rough start for scum team so I would expect them to bank a lot on getting deep and holding strongly to the "towncore".

2) 112 & Alison were v/w. That points to a team that didn't have lots of presence. There's probably a busser trying to go deep and the other one just... Try to survive? idk if that's the case we were just all really bad and it kinda hurts

This sucks. Someone fooled me and I have no idea whoooo. I think I'll just go through all the possible combinaisons and see which one is the most plausible.

argh I started to be pretty confident in Alison/proto world tbh

I still think Alison is just always wolf here

uuuh i was. not expecting to see proto flip

I just remembered about Proto's slip on day 2.



ahudejkrufhuerje idk. Colin & Nanook are townier than Alison & Proto. Maybe they're not w/w but they're not lock v/v either. Gaaah I should just sleep for real and think about it tomorrow.

Alison what's your experience with Colin? Mac said he was clearly in town meta, do you agree with this statement?

*v/w

LOL ok that means I need to sleep really badly

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:59 am Wilgy/tedxtr v/t + someone else.

*v/t lol not v/v

Wilgy/tedxtr v/t + someone else.

tedxtr probs not w/w with Nanook. Could be paired with proto, Colin or Alison.
Wilgy probs not w/w with proto, Alison or Nanook. Could be paired with Colin.

hmn. tedxtr's day 4 was much better than Wilgy's but he fits in more teams. If Alison/proto is really town that means I'm misclearing Nanook or Colin.

Where's your head at Alison?

Ughhhhhh yeah. Should probably stick to PoE until lylo.

protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:10 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:35 pm Hi all. I've exed wrong twice in a row the past two days and repeatedly not been nightkilled. I am therefore throwing out most of my readslist and starting from scratch. The only reads I will be keeping are my towncore, which I am relying on to help me solve the game. You could make an argument that maybe I haven't been shot because there's a wolf in my core, but I don't think wolves would shoot me even if wolves are outside my towncore.

Here are some compelling reasons to view me as town. Every nightkill has been made on someone who townreads me. nutella, tutuu and Amy all plainly stated that they simply thought I was town based on play. Therefore, if I am mafia, I would have made the decision to consecutively shoot people who had townreads on me.

This is unlikely for the obvious reason (as scum I want to keep my allies alive), but it is doubly unlikely when you consider the gamestate reasons. If I am scum and the D1 wagon was W/W, then I surely would intend to garner as much towncred as I could off being the counterwagon to 112, and try to compensate for our lack of numbers by going deep. Therefore it would be unlikely for me to repeatedly shoot people that considered me town if my strategy was to try to get as much towncred as possible and establish myself as a deepwolf.

I'm going to catch up on the thread now - I consider this state of affairs to strongly indicate me as town and I would encourage anyone who disagrees with that assessment to speak out now.

You were more town before this post.

This post feels like a weird distanciation attempt: proto is throwing shade at Alison while emphasizing that Alison was "obviously townie".

protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 2:54 pm alison has said they are busy with IRL stuff which is why they have fallen off a bit.

Alison did mention that in the thread, but this defense is just off track. I was not suspecting Alison from volume, I was saying that she fell into complacency/being ok with whatever was happening.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:34 pm Perhaps the answer is in Ted/Carote?

Not a fan of Carote's coin flip proposal. I don't see how that's civ minded even in jest.

What coinflip?

Day 1
112 (7): TonyStarkPrime, MacDougall, nutella, Alison, Amy, protocultures, ColinIsCool
Alison (5): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Carotenoid, Urist, tutuu, 112
Amy (1): Turnip Head
MacDougall (1): tedxtr
Not voting (1): TenThousandCalories

Day 2
DrWilgy (1): protocultures
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (2): Carotenoid, DrWilgy
TonyStarkPrime (3): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, MacDougall, Urist
Urist (6): Amy, TonyStarkPrime, tutu, Alison, ColinIsCool, tedxtr
No chop (1): TenThousand Calories

Day 3
Carotenoid (1): TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall (1): protocultures
protocultures (1): ColinIsCool
TonyStarkPrime (5): tutuu, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Alison, MacDougall, Carotenoid
Not voting (3): DrWilgy, tedxtr, TenThousandCalories

Day 4
DrWilgy (1): tedxtr
Long Con (5): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, MacDougall, ColinIsCool, Carotenoid, Alison
MacDougall (2): protocultures, Long Con
tedxtr (1): DrWilgy

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I'm looking at this and I'm like... Is it just Alison-Proto??? Alison once again popped in a few minutes before a misflip. Proto's tunnel on Mac kinda reminded me of my tunnel of Giraffe in sf1 but rereading his ISO again it just... Doesn't look genuine. He *never* doubts and asked repeatedly to vote him but never provided any case. When asked for partner, he didn't know and didn't care, but he was okay with any policy vote. Also, Mac wasn't scumreading him, it's not like he was a really frustrated townie tunnelling blindly because his judgement is clouded with emotions. His whole push was just... Really bland, and this tunnel allowed him to get away with the fact he has not provided anything else in the past 2 game days.

Okay yeah let's go I'm voting LC

I think I biased myself too much with replacement pass and I shouldn't. Fwiw I hated that LC agreed with me on Alison being scummy right after I posted about TTC/Alison compatability

idk I think. w!TTC fits more teams and is a bit more probable from a gamestate point of view but it feels really bad to be yeeting this slot the day it gets replaced.

Maybe we should just coinflip between LC and DrWilgy

Oh lol at that crosspost

Alright. This feels okay, we can do it. I'm a bit burned out by 6 years old screaming so I'll keep an eye on the thread but I'm not digging or ISOing stuff for the rest of the day

Okay, I hear you Mac, I'll move my vote. I'd go for DrWilgy before LC though

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:36 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:29 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:26 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:24 pm If anyone wants to chat I should be around on and off throughout the day (it's my brother's birthday )

Why you off wagon

I'm voting with my heart! I'll switch for tedxtr if I have to save Nanook/Mac though

What makes you have the reads on these people that you do? Break it down for me if you have time please.

Why is Alison more scummy than ted, Mac or Nanook?

Why is ted more scummy than Mac or Nanook?

Why aren't Mac or Nanook scum?

Mac was a wolf in my first two syndicate games and I got completely fooled (but to be fair they kinda happened at the same time). While I don't expect him to play exactly the same if he's a wolf again, he's really just night and day different from what I've seen before. He is more building/making stuff rather than discrediting/bouncing on stuff other people did. His 112 meta post really felt like it came from a place of sincere appreciation and I imagine it's mutual. I think that if the team was 112/Mac/X they would have been much more hyped and it wouldn't have resulted in such a bland day 1 for 112.

I have a bit more doubts on Nanook because his tone seemed really off at first, but I've seen town Nanook have notable impact in game he was slaking so I know he can easily influence things if he wanted to. I guess it's a bit contradictory but like, I really don't think scum Nanook decide that his best shot at winning is hoping that Mac is wrong.

Alison day 1 was scummy. She was pushing easy targets like TH, got in a fight with tutuu and shaded everyone that was scum meta reading her. She still does. She did end up on 112 wagon but she kinda avoided the topic the whole day and by the time it happened, it was self-pres. She pushed for Urist and then she had a big drop-off. She was like, ~okay with a TSP vote, as she fell into complacency. There's also her TTC progression that is not a good look. All her pushes have been really opportunistic.

Ted he just... Exists. Maybe he's scum who slipped through our attention, maybe he's our next mischop. I do think his earlier stuff was good and it doesn't really feel like he's pushing an agenda. Overall he's just more townie and less agenda-y and opportunistic than Alison.

[mention]protocultures[/mention] Do you really think Mac/Nanook is the team???

So many people wanting Nanook blood not voting Nanook

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:26 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:24 pm If anyone wants to chat I should be around on and off throughout the day (it's my brother's birthday )

Why you off wagon

I'm voting with my heart! I'll switch for tedxtr if I have to save Nanook/Mac though

If anyone wants to chat I should be around on and off throughout the day (it's my brother's birthday )

tedxtr quick ISO
I like his D1-D2 tone and that he was insistent with nutella instead of just accepting the town read she gave him. The work he put in on D2 was also pretty good from a gamestate perspective, a wolf could have just gone with consensus/slanked since the spotlight was on town players. He disappeared on D3 and D4 stuff has been meh, I dislike that he's not considering w!Alison world. I can see them being partner.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] what are the things you disliked from his ISO?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:39 am I did think your claim that Alison's "aggressive" attitude toward tutuu while shading her was somewhat suspicious.

Wait what's the context of this?

DrWilgy quick ISO
I liked his push on Nanook day 2, I agree that his initial tone felt off. However, he was confident in the team being TSP/Nanook and even after TSP flipped town, he stayed confident about w!Nanook. It's really stubborn, there was no like "oh I was wrong, maybe I should reevaluate my worldview" that show lack of TMI.

I don't think he's teamed with Alison due to Alison-Turnip intereactions. At the moment I'd vote Alison over DrWilgy.

Yeah TTC started in Alison's bottom of PoE and slowly climbed up to "who is this" for... no reason? On day 3 #1567 she clearly didn't want TTC to go first even if she had every reasons to.

Day 1
112 (7): TonyStarkPrime, MacDougall, nutella, Alison, Amy, protocultures, ColinIsCool
Alison (5): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Carotenoid, Urist, tutuu, 112
Amy (1): Turnip Head
MacDougall (1): tedxtr
Not voting (1): TenThousandCalories

Day 2
DrWilgy (1): protocultures
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (2): Carotenoid, DrWilgy
TonyStarkPrime (3): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Mac Dougall, Urist
Urist (6): Amy, TonyStarkPrime, tutu, Alison, ColinIsCool, tedxtr
No chop (1): TenThousand Calories

Day 3
Carotenoid (1): TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall (1): protocultures
protocultures (1): ColinIsCool
TonyStarkPrime (5): tutuu, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Alison, MacDougall, Carotenoid
Not voting (3): DrWilgy, tedxtr, TenThousandCalories
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Hmn it turns out the Alison wagon on D1 was town driven. She also voted on the two mischops. I still think there's a busser on 112's wagon, probs in Alison/Proto. I have Alison/Proto not w/w in my notes but I can't remember why lol. Since Alison was town-driven there's a possibility the team was just caught since no other wagon was picking up.

I'm coming around proto being town though. Like replace "Mac" by "Giraffe" and it might have been me.
So yeah it's probs more Alison + someone off wagon. Off-wagon we had tedxtr, TH/DrWilgy, TTC/LC.
Alison has been pretty harsh towards Turnip Head for being "anti-town" etc but there was nothing even slightly similar for TenThousandCalories. She was super insistent that Turnip Head changes how they play but was never interested in a TenThousandCalories policy vote.

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:47 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:32 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:32 pm I mean a bunch of people voting TSP.

I don't really see it.

@protocultures What did you mean with this post? Your previous post was from 3 hours ago and then you just disappeared

I didnt scumread TSP. A lot of other were scumreading TSP. What do you mean?

hmn ok I wasn't sure what you meant by "I mean"
It feels a lot like a pre "I told you so" post

[mention]tedxtr[/mention] Where's your head at? Can you post a readlist or something?