The Syndicate

Yeah, at the end of the day, it's just an internet game. Can't be bothered to be too bothered.

Thanks for the game! @G-Man. I admire the effort you put into your flavor and setting the tone of your games.

I like the idea of 30-post per phase games being a thing, but that's only if everyone can get close to hitting it. Like if the post cap was 50 or 75 for instance, would that make people that post 10/30 or 15/30 have an increase? I dunno

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:44 pm Wow!!! I can't think of a better game to get evicted Night 1.

WTF G-Man! Also, kudos to you for trolling every single one of your players.

Now I regret killing you instead of leaving you alive to suffer

I have learned my lesson. I will follow you anywhere next time @Enrique

A Game of Losers? I'm in! I'd be great at it

I appreciate all the people who put their honest effort into solving the game. Hope to play another sometime in the future.

Can't say I'm not bummed about the outcome, but it is what is.

wow

my hunch was actually right

Alternatively, we could yeet someone who is not me, preferably one of Posion, KZA, or JJJ.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:04 pm So still no one talking. Ok I’ll think out loud to myself I guess

We have 7 players left. Possibilities are 2 mafia 5 town or 3 mafia 4 town.

If we lynch another town today, we might be in trouble.

If scirrus is mafia as we suspect, who would be e teammates. Poison? KZA? Enrique? Both KZA and Enrique have some lynch manipulation so we might be in trouble. Really hoping it’s poison and scirrus and that’s it

I have some bad news for you

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:51 pm
Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:49 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:39 pm
Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:38 pm Enrique isn't mafia. Yeet me over him if you'd like

But my vote's on Poison.
Why is Enrique not mafia?
Because he's expressed many thoughts this game I find unlikely to come from mafia. Enrique's mindset doesn't read like someone who's been deceiving civillians all game to me. He seems like demotivated town who just had an aha! maybe this will work! moment. Digging into the flavor and speculating on how it supports a no evict is icing on the cake! If he's mafia then GG. I got outplayed. I'm fine with that.
Very well.

Who has expressed thoughts that come from mafia?

Poison has been sitting back this whole game, only really giving NA results and doesn't seem too worried or demotivated

KZA has also been just riding the wave, not really stirring things up, and linki tells me he just back to say that i should be voted just because I got a kill on someone, right after Enrique suggested I be killed

Only other person i'm really suspicious of is JJJ but he's "townier" than the other two. I felt that some of his suspicion on me throughout the game has been fake and inorganic, especially when he had a notable strong town read on me early on. And some thoughts seem not quite as fleshed out as I would guess. A little too much deferring to mechanics over behavioral reading. I mostly have this read because I consider him very skilled but yeah. It is what it is.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:39 pm
Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:38 pm Enrique isn't mafia. Yeet me over him if you'd like

But my vote's on Poison.
Why is Enrique not mafia?

Because he's expressed many thoughts this game I find unlikely to come from mafia. Enrique's mindset doesn't read like someone who's been deceiving civillians all game to me. He seems like demotivated town who just had an aha! maybe this will work! moment. Digging into the flavor and speculating on how it supports a no evict is icing on the cake! If he's mafia then GG. I got outplayed. I'm fine with that.

Enrique isn't mafia. Yeet me over him if you'd like

But my vote's on Poison.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:18 pm
Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:17 pm I don't think Enrique is mafia here.

Scum would want us to keep on track yeeting townies as quickly as possible

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine
Explain this post thoroughly please.

We've yeeted 4 town in a row. There have been no mafia kills at night. Mafia don't gain anything from choosing NO EVICT that I am aware of. It delays the game a phase. So what?

Explain to me how Enrique's opinion makes him Mafia.

I don't think Enrique is mafia here.

Scum would want us to keep on track yeeting townies as quickly as possible

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

Oh wait KZA's ability is essentially the same thing

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:04 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:00 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:07 pm
Hell On eArth

The newly elected board members stormed down the hallway of the township building in pursuit of the Lenker brothers. The angry voices of their fellow homeowners echoed out the meeting room doors and down the hall.

The meeting had been a total shit show, which wasn’t too far from the norm for the Lenkers, but this was a new low. They came prepared to pull a fast one at light speed, and their lawyer certainly made that possible. It wouldn’t have surprised them if this was how they dealt with all of the neighborhoods they swindled into existence. The Lenkers’ lawyer knew all the tricks of parliamentary procedure and moved the transition of governance of Piano Estates over to the homeowners in exactly 17 minutes and 12 seconds.

The greedy property management representative, who they would later learn was a cousin of the Lenker boys, seemed to take glee in raising his price every time someone interjected during his three minutes. He priced himself out of the market quickly and also lit a fire under the homeowners to push through a half-assed election of officers that was both contentious and controversial. Nobody felt good about how things went down, and the new board was going to make sure the Lenkers knew that before they could slither off into the night for good.

“Just what in the hell was that you just pulled?” one of the board member yelled at the Lenkers as they climbed into the overcompensating oversized pickup trucks.

“A business transaction,” Corey Lenker replied from the safety of his truck.

“Our lawyer has copies of all the necessary documents for you,” Justin Lenker replied. “Maybe you should go back inside and start reading them.”

“Maybe I should drag you out of that truck and kick your ass right here in the parking lot, you beady-eyed piece of shit,” another board member shouted. To be fair, both Lenker brothers were indeed beady-eyed pieces of shit.

“Look,” Corey Lenker said, “we’re sorry about the abruptness of all this, but we have no choice. We want out and we’ve sold more than enough of the required homes in Phase 3 to execute our rights as developers.”

There was a curious look in Corey’s pale eyes. For the first time, the board members saw none of the usual calculation and scheming they were accustomed to. This was the look of raw fear.

“Why?” someone shouted. “Just tell us why so suddenly and help us understand.”

“I’ll tell you why,” Corey replied.

“Corey, don’t” Justin interjected.

“We’re out because it’s not safe for us anymore.”

“Corey, shut up,” Justin barked.

“What the hell does that mean?” asked someone else.

“We don’t need to be mixed up with the mob, okay?”

“God dammit Corey,” Justin screamed.

“The mob?” someone laughed. “Really?”

“Yeah,” Corey sneered. “Some of you assholes have connections that we want nothing to do with.”

“Who told you that?” another board member asked.

“Word gets around, Corey said. “Developers compete but we also talk to each other. Everybody has connections and we’ve got wind of some of the people we’ve sold to. We’re out, now good night.” He rolled his window up and started his truck.

“Oh now you shut your fat face,” Justin groaned.

Three of the board members stepped in front of Justin’s truck, just in case he was thinking of taking off suddenly. He could be the reasonable one, if you applied the right amount of pressure.

“And what are we supposed to do about this information?” someone asked him. “You know word will get around. People are going to panic and turn on each other.”

“I’ll offer you this,” Justin said. “Anyone buying a home with an HOA is bound to the covenants, by-laws, and use restrictions whether they read them or not. End of story.”

“What does that mean?”

“Go read your covenants and pay special attention to page 37. There’s a little something in there that might help you when you sort out who’s who. Good night folks and good luck.”

The board members stepped away, not satisfied but aware that the Lenkers would be of no more use to them this evening. Their trucks pulled away, growling with all the overpowered diesel fury that money could buy to cover up their insecurities.

“Now what?” someone asked.

“Let’s get reading.”

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DAY 0 HAS BEGUN.

IT WILL LAST UNTIL APPROXIMATELY 9:00 P.M. EST TOMORROW.

ALL PLAYERS ARE LIMITED TO 10 POSTS DURING DAY 0.

MAKE SURE TO READ THE RULES, AS THEY WILL BE ENFORCED.

The Lenker Brothers are the baddies. They set us up to turn on each other and abuse the eviction clause on page 37. The host is the baddie and we must rebel.

Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:01 pm I would be shocked the key to this game lies in town collectively choosing to NO EVICT

because it's effectively rewarding not searching for mafia. Which seems against the spirit of the game?

Do people have any thoughts on this?

@Enrique @Epignosis @fingersplints @JaggedJimmyJay @KZA @Poison
If I'm playing against the host, then I don't care if I win.

Scirrus and Enrique are mafia.

What's my mafia motivation for suggesting this? There's all of a sudden going to be some mega bomb that kills us all if we NO EVICT?

Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:02 pm
Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:01 pm I would be shocked the key to this game lies in town collectively choosing to NO EVICT

because it's effectively rewarding not searching for mafia. Which seems against the spirit of the game?

Do people have any thoughts on this?

@Enrique @Epignosis @fingersplints @JaggedJimmyJay @KZA @Poison
If it isn’t do you think it could hurt us? Especially without a kill at night?

Not particularly, but it would extend the game another phase which would be annoying to me because I want it to end lol

I'm willing to try it once.

I would be shocked the key to this game lies in town collectively choosing to NO EVICT

because it's effectively rewarding not searching for mafia. Which seems against the spirit of the game?

Do people have any thoughts on this?

@Enrique @Epignosis @fingersplints @JaggedJimmyJay @KZA @Poison

I don't fucking know

Scum, reveal thyselves

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:39 pm I'll think about this silly nonsense for a while. I am most likely to vote Enrique or Poison.

This is especially annoying as it doesn't even affirm anything about mafia numbers (if mafia exist). 4:3 and 5:2 are both still possible. So is 6:1 if there's an arsonist or something similar.

I am officially at a state of not giving a single shit about role block targets. Unless I am missing something, Grogu flipping civilian means at least one kill had to be abstained if there is a factional kill at all. Nobody else could have had their kill prevented on Night 3. If I am being an idiot here please someone yell at me. That means I don't care about the Scirrus or Enrique blocks. I am left assessing players for behavior at face value and guessing at the applicability of their role claims to some enemy faction.

I'm honestly of the opinion that their being no factional kill is most likely.

Or like some kind of really delayed arson, but if that's the case there's probably only 2 mafia. Or the arson is assigned to a person and that person is Poison, who got blocked last night. But that's a VERY specific scenario which i'm not willing to bet the game on lol

[VOTE: Enrique] aubergine

@Enrique @Poison it would be like, really dope, if you could come in and give us thoughts on anything

And who did you track?

This is the first time I've seen a hider have that sort of mechanic, so I'm still wary of JJJ's claim /shrug

But considering some other roles i've seen, who knows

Assuming there actually are mafia I stick by my POE

Still think it would be in Poison/JJ/Enrique

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:22 pm Actually, is it even possible the N3 kill was prevented mechanically? Grogu was the only block and he was town. Is that just straight up confirmation that [if there's a kill at all] the kill would have to be abstained? I may be missing something obvious. I'm in Comedy Mafia mode atm.

If the game never ends we can't lose

I found the path to victory, JJJ

Join me

[VOTE: No Eviction] aubergine

G-Man can't keep this game going on forever right HA HA HA HA HA

new theory

what if there are no mafia in this goddamn game

discuss

why

just why

One or both of them is BSing

If JJJ truly hid behjnd reywas, based on how I understand hider usually works, then poison would have gotten a result that JJJ visited reywas?

Am I off base here. I'm pretty sure the typical hider role is good for escaping kills not investigations

Figures.

I want to yeet one of Poison/JJJ/Enrique

Poison literally just showing up, claiming results, and dipping. Nah.

JJJ because my dumb feels say he's mafia and orchestrating the 1 by 1 fall of townies.
He has the highest post count but most of his posts have largely about mechanics and maybes and "these are the possible scenarios" and he has been a supporter of every town chop so far.
Basically he just hasn't taken up as much as town leader role as I would expect.
This is probably hypocritical of me but at this point I don't really care

Enrique because he's been around the top of everyone's sus list but never actually got close to be eliminated.

Someone tell me why we should yeet someone outside this. Give me a real good reason. I might consider it

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:55 pm
Scirrus wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:52 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:48 pm Well Scirrus unless I'm missing some context it looks like you're considering worlds where Marmot was a mafia kill which you should know isn't a thing if you actually shot Marmot
I don't see how me choosing to shoot Marmot has any bearing on whether or not scum also decided to NK Marmot? Scum didn't know my role or what I was gonna do with it.
Huh? I think we are in different pages here

Explain the context of that post that I said looks like a slip, the one Epi brought up with the upscaled font. You were trying to say Marmot could've been shot twice?

I considered the possibility of that happeneing and said that it wasn't likely

That's literally all it was

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:48 pm Well Scirrus unless I'm missing some context it looks like you're considering worlds where Marmot was a mafia kill which you should know isn't a thing if you actually shot Marmot

I don't see how me choosing to shoot Marmot has any bearing on whether or not scum also decided to NK Marmot? Scum didn't know my role or what I was gonna do with it.

JJJ i think you're mafia because you have mostly been sheeping Epi today while trying to nudge suspicion on to me.

All this after you voted Alison to save me yesterday.

Saved me just to throw shade me on for my absence.

And I just feel like you don't really believe the things you're saying.

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:44 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:58 pm
Scirrus wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:13 pm mafia was messed with

i claim vig and shot marmot

Scirrus wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:14 pm yeah, i suck, i know
This is a claim of murdering Marmot Night 1 followed by mea culpa.

Okay.

This below is from Day 3:

Scirrus wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:49 pm JJJ do you have any phresh thoughts

Alison can only be on a mafia team with Epi i think, if they decided to fake the cop/protect shtick. But if that were the case, why would still not kill anyone, or kill Marmot? Marmot's a bad N1 Kill for scum based on how they game was going.

So probably not that

Alternatively Alison decides to do some no kill gambit for this game regardless of her partners. But why? I'm not sure if the benefits outway the cost of that, especially for the first night
The enlarged is something I am not understanding.

"Marmot's a bad N1 Kill for scum based on how they game was going."

Why does this sentence exist?
oh well this is a straight up slip isn't it?

How is it a slip?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:18 pm Regardless of Grogu’s flip, if the game continues Enrique needs to be next — before Scirrus.

Why?

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:45 pm I'm here to spit a hot take: there is no factional kill

The thought briefly entered my mind when i saw the no kill, but how would that be balanced in a game like this? There can't be 4 mafia because the game would be over. 3 vs 9 in a game with a bunch of Town PR's and mafia can't NK? Nah

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:05 pm Good pickup, Epi. Not sure why Scirrus seems to be entertaining scenarios where Marmot was a mafia night kill (and how much sense it would or wouldn’t make). If he shot Marmot as a vigilante there’s little or no reason for that to exist in his mind.

I’m getting the impression that Scirrus is a mafioso and not a vigilante — that Marmot was a standard kill.

I'm not following this. I was considering possible scenarios, you know, as many of has have? And one of those scenarios is that Marmot was double tapped. I consider that not to be likely, for the reasons I gave

What's the problem here?

If Marmot was mafia we could have spent the day solving based on that rather than an inactive slot, all of which were tossups to me

If he flipped town, then we didn't have to waste a day tying him to teammates for M/M interactions that aren't actually a thing

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:58 pm
Scirrus wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:13 pm mafia was messed with

i claim vig and shot marmot

Scirrus wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:14 pm yeah, i suck, i know
This is a claim of murdering Marmot Night 1 followed by mea culpa.

Okay.

This below is from Day 3:

Scirrus wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:49 pm JJJ do you have any phresh thoughts

Alison can only be on a mafia team with Epi i think, if they decided to fake the cop/protect shtick. But if that were the case, why would still not kill anyone, or kill Marmot? Marmot's a bad N1 Kill for scum based on how they game was going.

So probably not that

Alternatively Alison decides to do some no kill gambit for this game regardless of her partners. But why? I'm not sure if the benefits outway the cost of that, especially for the first night
The enlarged is something I am not understanding.

"Marmot's a bad N1 Kill for scum based on how they game was going."

Why does this sentence exist?

I didn't think that mafia would want Marmot out of the game on N1? Alison and JJJ, both good players with a lot of sway, had marmot as their main suspect D1/N1. JJJ made that whole interaction chart mappping out interactions for everyone in the game and Marmot was **THE MAIN LINK** Day 2 would have undoubtably been a game of trying to yeet Marmot and find out who Marmot's partners are. That's why I vigged Marmot.

Scum want to keep viable misyeets around. Marmot was one.

I didn't anticipate how inactive the game would get post-N1. I considered shooting Grogu or Reywas instead but I figured they would have been replaced later.

Is there any reason we shouldn't be chopping Poison

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:02 pm
Scirrus wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:15 pm I dont think its epi or fingersplints. This might be a dumb reason but I believe Epi when he says he wouldnt be abstaining from kills.

Fingerprints still just seems towny. I dont see her faking the blocks.
Is JJJ abstaining from kills?

I'd say it's possible, he did, after all, just make that big post above where he explained how it wouldn't be weird for mafia to abstain from kills.

Do you have an opinion on this?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:02 pm
Scirrus wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:31 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:25 pm
Scirrus wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:12 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:50 pm Well I cleared Enrique but now I have to consider Epi and JJJ
Did you expect him to be lying about his role if he is mafia here? I don't see why he would considering the tie was between townies. He has no need to lie if he's scum.

I could only see him lying about his role is if I am scum with him. Telling the truth makes Enrique look terrible with the Alison flip and I don't know why he would do that lol.

And this isnt the case because I'm town anyway so
So what option exactly *wouldn't* have looked terrible?
In the event that we're both mafia? Lmao you know thats not the case

claiming something that would have made you looked better. Mafia have the benefit of lying to give themselves an advantage in a closed setup like this.

I am trusting town's claims to be legit. I assume mafia is too. My early claim of 1x vig clearly didnt help me bc i got blocked later and all I could really say is

"srry im vanilla now"

It doesnt do much to inspire confidence
Which claims are you trusting to be legit?

I trust that the members of the town are all not lying about the roles, by virtue of them being town. I believe fingersplints and yourself to be town so therefore, legit. Enrique's role is legit bc it was proven by the vote count. Doesn't reveal anything about his alignment. JJJ's hider claim i'm inclined to believe. Poisons claim, dunno. She could easily be a tracker regardless of alignment. It's also not a hard role to fake. Grogu, meh. KZA's role is a little harder to believe bc i've never seen anything like it but for this game? I wouldn't be suprised if it is true.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:02 pm
You tracked JJJ Night 1. That should mean you saw JJJ target reywaS. What do you mean you got no result from reywaS?

Doesn't that indicate to you that JJJ lied?

Or am I misinterpreting something?

Yeah I was confused about this as well

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:20 am I'm tired of [VOTE: Scirrus] aubergine continually staying silent until someone accuses him of something.

[10]

Is this what you think? Tell me more.

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:01 am I was going to Bg Alison before she claimed insane.

Alison claimed insane D2. You didn't submit an action N1, didn't you?

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:54 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:43 am
Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:08 am You played with me before. What are the chances you think I would carry the kill when I know that the player blocked the night before cannot be blocked again?
The only player blocked last night who cannot be blocked again was scirrus. Potential slip up here?
Not at all. That means that if you blocked the kill last night then scirrus just makes NK again. Which just tell us I’m not scum. Wolves are just not submitting if you truly blocked me. Or how else you explain no kill if I’m town?

So this means I HAVE to be scum to you, right? Why aren't you voting me?

Wait so your hider directs all actions on you to your target instead of just kills? @JaggedJimmyJay

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:39 pm I find myself wondering now if Grogu's role is opposite to my own because it's oppositely aligned. Whether it's "useful" may not be meaningful. Alison's role was useless. But also:

My role is nearly useless. For a civilian to effectively use a hider role requires incredible good luck, and almost any other application just causes extra needless confusion that is harmful to the team. The only truly good impact it can have is to draw a night kill and direct it to someone else. I was robbed of that capacity well before Night 1 was over, so for me the role is worthless. I'm also obligated to use it. I don't know if that applies to anyone else.

Grogu's role would be nearly useless for a mafia team. He can technically sacrifice himself to a town vigilante in order to save a better-positioned teammate. Such an eventuality is possible, but through the lens of a randomized role list it ought to seem pretty rare. That kind of parallels my role in the opposite direction.

This is super speculative, but we have no choice. We must speculate.

For what it's worth, my vig kill was not compulsory, and if I did not use it by N3, I would have lost it anyway

is your role the only one that's mandatory?

S'up guys

I've had a busy day but i've got some time now

I'm off to play a long session of DnD with my friendos. Doubt i will be back before the night ends, but we'll see

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