The Syndicate

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:31 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:19 pm @Syn would you be willing to make a banner for mafia victory?
I made one and sent it to Nanook last week

YTMND!

@Syn would you be willing to make a banner for mafia victory?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:35 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:37 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:35 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:04 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:32 am my personal punishment for people who fake red checks and subsequently cause town to lose the game is 1 month blacklist unless they had a good reason to do it
is "it would be funny" a good reason
Yes
ebwop: especially when it's a softed red and town runs with it and hammers like 4 hours into the day. Then it's fucking hilarious.

In all seriousness though, I think the red on Dana setting up the easy axe chop was a turning point in the game. Without Axe pushing the dana chop (which wolves easily went with b/c like hello easy chop) who knows who dies that day.
Then the next day Axe was a super easy dog pile where I literally voted, made like 10 posts and then dipped the entire rest of the day and nobody cared to press me on that b/c well obvs axe is the chop of the day off of the faked red.
FTR the Star Trek faked red was the fault of the town for assuming and quickhammering. If it was hardclaimed then yeah, but they took something that was never meanet to be a red as a red and quickhammered

yes, which was hilarious from the position of spec and was my point

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:40 pm I didn't pay attention to this game at all but did read a little of the red check and flip. Why was Axe turbo-chopped the following day when the red-checked role card explicitly said they gained an ability if they died before D3?

That's a great question. Like Axe should not have been chopped even if Dana flipped VT. There's no way a wolf actually fakes a red like that, rides it all day long, never rescinds, and then plays the next day like Axe did. Obvs I wasn't going to say anything like that given my rand, but like yeah, it was a bad chop.
Now of course I'm gonna get burned by that some time in the future, but I'll maintain it was a bad chop for bad reasons

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:36 pm Wow triple post! I don’t think I’ve seen that before.

@Felicis the best part of doing these little shindigs is that you only get better if you fail first. Not that what you did was failing, but it was indeed a learning experience. Don’t let it deter you from doing big games again- every game has different parameters and will bring different experiences. Please do keep playing! I won’t say you’ll get better, because I think I’ve only got worse with my playing.

But might you have more fun as you play? Maybe!

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:35 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:04 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:32 am my personal punishment for people who fake red checks and subsequently cause town to lose the game is 1 month blacklist unless they had a good reason to do it
is "it would be funny" a good reason
Yes

ebwop: especially when it's a softed red and town runs with it and hammers like 4 hours into the day. Then it's fucking hilarious.

In all seriousness though, I think the red on Dana setting up the easy axe chop was a turning point in the game. Without Axe pushing the dana chop (which wolves easily went with b/c like hello easy chop) who knows who dies that day.
Then the next day Axe was a super easy dog pile where I literally voted, made like 10 posts and then dipped the entire rest of the day and nobody cared to press me on that b/c well obvs axe is the chop of the day off of the faked red.

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:04 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:32 am my personal punishment for people who fake red checks and subsequently cause town to lose the game is 1 month blacklist unless they had a good reason to do it
is "it would be funny" a good reason

Yes

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:21 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:16 pm I think asking a player who hasn't experienced a game like this to assume that mafia can kill the entire town in a single night is loltier.

This was an assumption made, which is nonsense.
There were enough people who have played with a soup kill that town should have made sure the stakes were clear to everyone involved. I know if I was town, I would have been shouting from the rooftops that claiming/hinting/softing is all suicide. I also would have been playing significantly more soup-defensive (softing roles/characters I didn't have and the like). The only town player that I can say played well around the soup was Guillo. Many others played fine in not revealing much, but many just didn't heed the soup kill enough, and no one made sure everyone was aware of the full implications.

I think really what town needed this game was a leader. Ender could have played the role if they survived, but someone needed to coordinate town pushes, stop the early hammer D2, boost morale D2 and D3, and keep claiming/softing in check, but no one stepped up to that role.

guillo also runs a lot of games with soup kills and those kills are usually multiple players

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:26 pm What’s the tldr on how the mafia figured out the ids of like 6 players?

Claims and then lucky guesses? Night actions?

Seanzie is the goat of AtLA lore and managed to piece together the likely character names via the claims, behavior, and how they approached specific aspects of the thread.
Without Seanzies hard work putting that list together this game is still ongoing.

I get that soup feels really unfair to town and I'm not going to comment on that at all. What I will say is that Seanzie really deserves all the credit for putting that list together and being as accurate as it was.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 12:08 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Do we get a sticker? Don't think I have ever won a game this early and easily.

I think seanzie can make stickers/signature banners?

GG Town, you all played really well. IBA, I'm very sorry, I advocated you for the NK that night.
I do really appreciate you coming over here and playing, you played insanely well and had me dead to rights.

Felicis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 5:27 pm Hollowkatt, apart from spicy, what are your thoughts?

I believe you. Nothing from your play thus far would indicate you're doing a thing or making a play here. It doesn't change my town read on guillo if that's what you're trying to get at.

Felicis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:07 pm Hi I've also finally decided to come clean. Maybe this is a shit idea and I'll die for it I don't know, but after the Axe fiasco I think town deserves as much accurate information as possible right now, especially with 7 of us down.

So, here goes:

I really hope that gif formatted properly, but if not;

Hello, Zuko here.

I avenged KZA/Mai and killed Mac/Azula N1. For my honour and the honour of the Town. I didn't counterclaim D2 because when Guillo claimed the kill, I was confused and wanted to know where he was trying to take it. It didn't really go anywhere though, or spark discussion in any way.

Guillo, this is why I questioned you D2 about your play. I don't necessarily think you're scum, in fact, if we have a 3p faction like I think we do in this game (it's just a hunch, things feel extra unhinged for some reason, I could absolutely be way off), I'd probably put you in that category based on your posts. You're solving (in your own way lol), you *mostly* seem to have town's interests in mind in the sense that you seem to be scum-hunting, but there's still something not sitting right with me.

Did you really just claim my kill to throw it in Mac's face, or did you have other reasons? Why fake it? Were you hoping I'd counterclaim right away?

ok, that's spicy as fuck

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:06 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:02 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 3:17 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:31 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:23 am Axe can get a free day, he’s weird but likely just town. The story is so bad that it cannot come from a wolf lol
I can tell you've never wolfed with someone like Guillo before.
I did once. He was pretty bad
Try again lol it's worth it

I said wolfing with you was a blast and I'd do it again.

Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 3:17 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:31 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:23 am Axe can get a free day, he’s weird but likely just town. The story is so bad that it cannot come from a wolf lol
I can tell you've never wolfed with someone like Guillo before.
I did once. He was pretty bad

Try again lol it's worth it

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:38 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:31 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:23 am Axe can get a free day, he’s weird but likely just town. The story is so bad that it cannot come from a wolf lol
I can tell you've never wolfed with someone like Guillo before.

I don't read sigs but ok, point taken

Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:23 am Axe can get a free day, he’s weird but likely just town. The story is so bad that it cannot come from a wolf lol

I can tell you've never wolfed with someone like Guillo before.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:14 am I picked Dana because of the post-mortem role.

ok, so you want us to buy you're role cop, copped dana, figured the post mortem role would be good/useful/whatever therefore faked a red check to get her chopped and you think that's helpful?
as opposed to say doing none of that, pushing on a wolf read instead of a fake red, and maybe even chopping a wolf?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:09 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:40 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:37 am
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:19 am
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:06 am So we kill axe today correct?
Not sure. I don't want another mislynch.
You don't want another mislynch, eh? Are you sure about that? Cuz you sound very convinced

I know you have a vindictive personality, but you have to find a no vote on me because my play has been extremely towny. Sure, bad, but EXTREMELY towny.

bruh

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:09 pm Effective immediately @BoKnows has replaced @lost monkey. Poll will not be reset, votes for lomo will be counted as voting for bo.

hola Bo!

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 11:53 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 11:50 am

in my defense the ending of the tour de france was very very good

unless my recollection is wrong there was discussion that if lomo is a wolf it's highly likely seanzie is a wolf based on the event that occurred. So yes, the royal "we" is appropriate

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 10:27 am

I mean duh, yeah? I thought that was the conclusion we'd arrived at on D1 post event

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 10:57 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 10:56 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:19 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:52 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:50 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:48 pm free town read to anyone who got a bison last night
Why do you send bisons? Can you explain plz
I send them b/c I care
It's like fruit vendor but I'm not target restricted (can send to the same person repeatedly if I want to) and it's a picture of appa (of my choosing, with no game text) instead of fruit
That's pretty slick. Do you choose who it goes to, or just random town?
I get to choose where it goes
Well, then shouldn't you know who got the bison?

of course I know who got the bison, Falcon.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:02 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:52 am
TBH, if you guys just were better at forming wagons, I wouldn't have had to claim a red check. Both Sig and Dana could have defended themselves and didn't Ender defended himself, and I didn't pursue him further once I found him to be town. It's just my style to push with unrelenting pressure until / unless the person shows themselves to be OBVIOUS town, if they don't, then yeet them and shrug.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:03 am So really, yesterday is on you guys, not me.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:07 am But yeah, Hallokat is my top mafia pick (which no one will listen to).

Because of the random posturing wagons he starts, like he just votes a random person until the wagons develop and then picks a wagon, he did this both days, and today given he's expecting me to be the main.

He's trying to milk this fruit vendor claim, yet roles have no connection to alignment, yet we are meant to believe fruit vendor is towny.

Also, Yesterday he said he believed my claim, then waivered, then believed again. Which was a very unnecessary comment to justify his vote on Dana, but also, his thought process doesn't match with his play throughout the day.

And now I've just given mafia!Hallokat immunity because no one in their right mind would sheep me for a 3rd day

lolol no
[VOTE: notanaxehole] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:19 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:52 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:50 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:48 pm free town read to anyone who got a bison last night
Why do you send bisons? Can you explain plz
I send them b/c I care
It's like fruit vendor but I'm not target restricted (can send to the same person repeatedly if I want to) and it's a picture of appa (of my choosing, with no game text) instead of fruit
That's pretty slick. Do you choose who it goes to, or just random town?

I get to choose where it goes

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:57 pm Also Axe trying to get the poisoner to out so they can anti claim the poisoner. Great job bud

do you prefer DoOm, DoO, Doom? Anyways, martin vs axe?

Naviya wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:55 pm reminder that anticlaim exists?

yeah yeah, clearly I'm a threat to be dealt with

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:50 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:48 pm free town read to anyone who got a bison last night
Why do you send bisons? Can you explain plz

I send them b/c I care

It's like fruit vendor but I'm not target restricted (can send to the same person repeatedly if I want to) and it's a picture of appa (of my choosing, with no game text) instead of fruit

free town read to anyone who got a bison last night

rip IBA lets kill martin for him
[VOTE: martin] aubergine

HILDA SPELLMAN!

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:05 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:04 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:02 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:30 am Roles that effect the reliability of information received (i.e., godfather, miller, etc.)

P sure if Dana was a miller she would have claimed. @Dana You should have claimed miller. Good point Guillotine. A nice little lesson for next time.
Idk what a Miller is lol

a townie that investigates as mafia
like godfather is mafia that investigates as town

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:02 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:30 am Roles that effect the reliability of information received (i.e., godfather, miller, etc.)

yes, we've all read that. Do you think notanaxehole pushes the "red" this hard if there's not something to it?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:50 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:49 pm something something resolve the check something something chop axe tomorrow if this is wrong
If this is wrong, I'm going to open a lawsuit against Nanook for mod deceit

I thought at first you were telling the truth, then I thought you were faking b/c I've seen town fake a red like this before, then I figured if you're not faking great and if you are you're basically outed with how hard you're pushing it.

something something resolve the check something something chop axe tomorrow if this is wrong

[VOTE: dana] aubergine

mise well

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:46 pm
IBA wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:43 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:41 pm There's a red check and people still think there is a day to be played

I've never seen a display like this in all my time playing mafia.
People like wasting time and think that because conversation is how you find wolves, any conversation is therefore good. Just had to deal with this in my champs game.
I mean, champs is that event where they take a bunch of players, put them in set ups that can't be lost, and then pump their tires for being good at town right?

Lol yes, except that wolves win qualifiers much more often than town does

IBA wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:35 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:34 pm
IBA wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:32 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:27 pm
IBA wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:14 pm I guess we should probably murder HK tomorrow anyway tho
do I get any say in that? because like we could maybe not do that and I'd appreciate it.
Hard cheese, buddy
I feel like this is a thinly veiled threat to chop me if I don't do work. I don't wanna do work, I just wanna shitpost and also call the dana check fake
Nah I don't really imagine there's much work you could do that would change my mind honestly, the dayvig interaction with Mac was just too sus. Cute gambit tho.

alternately, and here me out, kza jokes about being vigged, I fake vig, wolfMac decides that's a great way to make me look bad.
Why isn't that a line of thought you're willing to consider?
Mac isn't someone that dodges night actions like ever. So if mac and I are wolves together and pull that kind of scheme it hinges entirely on mac not dying because as soon as he does town would get a 2 for 1. Seems boneheaded to me.

IBA wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:32 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:27 pm
IBA wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:14 pm I guess we should probably murder HK tomorrow anyway tho
do I get any say in that? because like we could maybe not do that and I'd appreciate it.
Hard cheese, buddy

I feel like this is a thinly veiled threat to chop me if I don't do work. I don't wanna do work, I just wanna shitpost and also call the dana check fake

IBA wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:14 pm I guess we should probably murder HK tomorrow anyway tho

do I get any say in that? because like we could maybe not do that and I'd appreciate it.

a suspicious man would say guillo is trying to pocket me

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:32 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:32 pm [VOTE: felicis] aubergine
Ok.o

Stan Freberg wrote: I just played a hunch, Frank. It was just a hunch.

[VOTE: felicis] aubergine

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:20 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:19 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:17 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:16 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:15 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:12 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:06 pm

This is actually angleshooting, let's not do that.
is it angleshooting or is it a derivative of timestamp reads?
It's not, Guillo just seems to be an easily triggered personality type.
I don't think so, I think guillo is probably looking at it more from a game mod/host perspective than player, which is fine.
either way, that seems a bit harsh?
lets talk about flying bisons instead. Do you like them?
I fake claimed to be one among other bison related events.
that would make sense given that you're probably a human and bison, flying or not, probably can't use the internet
Did you send me the aang pic?

I did not send you an aang pic, no.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:17 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:16 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:15 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:12 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:06 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:22 pm
Dana wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:14 pm Oh I got votes? What's up pals I'm on my way home from camping, at a rest stop but I'll be around for real in a couple of hours
My goodness, you were online at the time the red check was made and already had votes on you.

Nice claim, but you really should change your account settings if you want to make a play like this
This is actually angleshooting, let's not do that.
is it angleshooting or is it a derivative of timestamp reads?
It's not, Guillo just seems to be an easily triggered personality type.
I don't think so, I think guillo is probably looking at it more from a game mod/host perspective than player, which is fine.
either way, that seems a bit harsh?
lets talk about flying bisons instead. Do you like them?
I fake claimed to be one among other bison related events.

that would make sense given that you're probably a human and bison, flying or not, probably can't use the internet

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:15 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:12 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:06 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:22 pm
Dana wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:14 pm Oh I got votes? What's up pals I'm on my way home from camping, at a rest stop but I'll be around for real in a couple of hours
My goodness, you were online at the time the red check was made and already had votes on you.

Nice claim, but you really should change your account settings if you want to make a play like this
This is actually angleshooting, let's not do that.
is it angleshooting or is it a derivative of timestamp reads?
It's not, Guillo just seems to be an easily triggered personality type.

I don't think so, I think guillo is probably looking at it more from a game mod/host perspective than player, which is fine.
either way, that seems a bit harsh?
lets talk about flying bisons instead. Do you like them?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:06 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:22 pm
Dana wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:14 pm Oh I got votes? What's up pals I'm on my way home from camping, at a rest stop but I'll be around for real in a couple of hours
My goodness, you were online at the time the red check was made and already had votes on you.

Nice claim, but you really should change your account settings if you want to make a play like this
This is actually angleshooting, let's not do that.

is it angleshooting or is it a derivative of timestamp reads?

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:28 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:27 pm
Dana wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:27 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:22 pm
Dana wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:14 pm Oh I got votes? What's up pals I'm on my way home from camping, at a rest stop but I'll be around for real in a couple of hours
My goodness, you were online at the time the red check was made and already had votes on you.

Nice claim, but you really should change your account settings if you want to make a play like this
You really making arguments based on the online thing? I checked the nks a few hours ago, I wasn't reading the thread. I'm not making a play? I just checked to see what was up and saw I had a wagon. If you're gonna push me with a fake red check then you should make a case on something that's actually AI
I should make a case to defend my res check?
Yeah because it's not real

so your defense is to shout "liar", that seems super effective.

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