The Syndicate

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 10:36 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 10:30 pm Wolves! You played your asses off. Marmot I was literally never getting there on you, Mogh you were super townie too. Well done. I was convinced wolves were in LB basically the entire time, except Kyle. Shows what I know
Tim, that was a hell of a solve, well done putting it together, and well done forcing the chops through in LB that needed to be done. I'm impressed, as always.

Daisy I love the energy you bring to the table, never lose that please. Even though you're super challenging for me to read I still enjoy playing with you.
Kyle, you're awesome, don't stop Kyling all over plx

loved playing with you! hope we play again someday. I promise to be lucid and not all over the place.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 10:26 pm Sweet! I was finally right about something at the very end of it all!

Moghedien voting Marmot struck me as a naked WIFOM ploy to use against Daisy today. I wasn’t sure if Moghedien would kill me or Tony because we both seemed settled on chopping them next. Maybe my last few posts made me too obvious town. Moghedien could have strung another theory together to try one last time to make me look bad, but it was nice to avoid another round of LYLO pressure.

Way to pull it together in the end!

This is the first time I’ve ever derp-lynched a baddie. While it was successful, I don’t ever want to feel that foolish for not reading closely enough again.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 10:22 pm thank you for winning this so that everyone will forget about how my only physical contribution to this game was letting Marmot and Mog avoid going to the loser's bracket B)

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 10:17 pm Praise our lord and savior @Timsup2nothin

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:50 pmwhat is a dvc

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:35 pm ok the fact that i'm in a position to actually force Tim to play out day 4 is very annoying, someone else tell me what you think I should do so I can take a nap.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:29 pm if tim or g-man .. if either are wolves they could have very easily eliminated me/voted me off and no one would bat an eye. I wouldn't have even been a blip. and it wouldn't throw sus onto them. heck if made has tried he could have gotten me or even tiny yeeted.

point players like Tim and G-man could very easily got rid of either of us.

no way is both wolves and no way it's a TvW thing. they are both town.

or I'm very smol brain

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:13 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:57 pm So the tsunami of work busyness finally landed in my lap this afternoon. I will do the last scenario and vote before the deadline. I forgot that we have a kindergarten prep Zoom for my daughter tonight though, so I can’t guarantee much more involvement today.

Tim feels either desperate to sound rational or desperate to sound rational in order to take a deep teammate even deeper. Not sure which.

Sorry I couldn’t do better.

So kill me and get it settled that I am town, then accept that the only people I am trying to send deeper are you, TSP, and Daisy...and DO NOT KILL EACH OTHER.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:10 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:04 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:58 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:51 pm If Tim were anyone but Tim or /maybe/ LC I’d probably instaclear Tim here

Go ahead and clear me...just do not let me live...we are killing three people and there are only two wolves, so WE ARE GONNA KILL AT LEAST ONE TOWN HERE.

That's fine.

If there's a wolf still in the upper bracket we are killing AT LEAST two towns. That's fine.

If the two wolves are BOTH in the upper bracket we are killing three towns, NO MATTER WHAT.

Even that is fine.

TSP, G-Man, And Daisy are town. Just never kill each other and this all works out.

tim

why u want put this game so bad. no man. it can just as easily be me.

u and gman could easily solve this.

like we could easily be eliminating all towns here. or 2. think if we voted wrong with who is here or what about mog?

I'm supposed to believe Tony is town but not hk?

HK has NEVER cast a vote in this game with life or death significance. Could he be town? Sure, he could. But I know HK better than anyone in this game, and I have no way at all to be SURE that he is town.

If Tony was Made's partner we would not have gotten Made N1...I totally believe that. Tony is town.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:54 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:11 pm GTH G-Man is the wolf Tim, if Tim is a wolf, is protecting

How does this even make sense? If I am a wolf and I flip wolf, then what "path to victory" is G-Man gonna be on by himself at F5 with me hanging on his neck like an albatross?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:06 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:01 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:56 pm I also think G-Man’s analysis today has been bad but like who am I to say how other people think

If you've got the time take a quick spin through his ISO and lemme know what you are thinking. I have some thoughts I've been sitting on

G-Man’s ISO doesn’t make sense to me. There are paragraphs and paragraphs of work, but I get the sense that his conclusions are predetermined. His day 2 votes were last and he said something like “ah well these are the votes I was sent to make”. I suspect it might be the same today — he’s found that all the teams he’s looking at are implausible but I see no signs that he’s going to shift. And he’s done less work with his voting numbers than I’d like. I just used that as a tactic in fallout, so idk.

I think Daisy’s ISO is way worse TBH. But some people just don’t make sense to me

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:56 pm I also think G-Man’s analysis today has been bad but like who am I to say how other people think

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:48 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:44 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:26 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:09 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:01 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:55 pm Ok, here me out.
I'm town, G-Man is town, Daisy is town.
I'm fairly confident TSP is woofin. Tim I'm on as wolf b/c of how things have shaken out. There's no specific "here's why Tim is a wolf" post I can make. All I can do there is point at how things have gone, who he's chopped, and that he's pushing for me to die here.

Kyle I'm torn on. I can see him being lackadaisical wolf who's just posting and being happy about posting, and I can see him as disconnected town who's really only gotten into the game over the last 24ish hours or so.
That leaves Marmot and Mogh in teh winners bracket and if either of them are a wolf then I'm just fucked I guess?

I think the best kills today are going to be TSP/Tim/Kyle. If that doesn't flip a single wolf then fuck. If that flips one wolf great, the last wolf is within G-man/daisy/mog/marmot and we have a chance to find them. If we don't flip a wolf today I think we just lose? We'll be merging brackets after tonight which means that wolves will get a traditional NK action so if we flip one wolf today we start "tomorrow" at 4-1 and we have a good shot.
If we dont flip a wolf we start "tomorrow" at 3-2 and have to be right twice in a row.

I think our best chance at getting at least one is tsp/tim/kyle

I'm coming around to you just being a wolf here.

You are actively pushing a plan that ends with, in your own words, "I think we just lose."

Remove me from the equation for a minute. If you want to replace someone from the set {Tim, TSP, Kyle} who do you remove AND which of G-Man or Daisy do you replace them with?

how about we "remove you from the equation" a different way?

If you hadn't been so fired up about coming to kill me and you guys had sent Marmot with Kyle...I'd be saying kill Marmot instead of kill HK.

NOTHING at this point is going to change the fact that I want G-Man, Daisy, and TSP to survive this night, and then commit to chopping Mogh and Marmot in whatever order is convenient. If one of those three has me fooled...my bad. And I have been wrong a lot this game...but not about who would be bad town at LYLO if town. If Mac lived to LYLO a town would vote him. If Alison lived to LYLO a town would vote her. I missed, but I have no regrets.

Press X to Doubt I guess?
You're pushing the wolf path to victory here by insisting I need to be chopped today. It feels like you're purposefully selling me short and trying to push my chop because of how vociferous I've been that you're on my target list for today along with TSP. It also feels like you're trying to trade your life for his, which I don't understand how you're justifying that read.

Because if I am at LYLO town loses when I get voted on.

I get it...if you are town and know you are town you dying seems like a bad plan to you...but truth is if we kill four townies and two wolves town wins, so even if you are town you dying is not the end of the world.


Now, who is the wolf team that wins on this "path to victory" I am pushing?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:14 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:51 pm HK, why do you think all three of us are town?

I don't.
I like Mogh for town because I like his energy, his posts are really townie, and he makes pushes that make sense. He also advocated for Made to be sent to LB. The way this format is working you don't get credit for sending someone to LB even if they flip wolf b/c you ultimately weren't able to actually push through the chop. There's no mechanical or contextually clear advantage for wolf?Mogh to send wolf Made down to LB.
IF we find another wolf that Wolf?Mogh sent down at the same time, then sure, maybe there was a plan to get some credit then but I'm not seeing that.
I also think the way he's approaching Kyle over the last couple of pages makes sense, and it's how I'd push Kyle here as well. Like if Mogh is a wolf I don't think I can get there on him.

I like you for town because you've had some posts that really resonated with me. I liked how you approached Alison early, even if she did flip town. The conversation that you and I had regarding wanting to go to LB also sells me on your alignment. While we may disagree (and you might be right I don't forking know) on what the right path there is, you argued your thoughts with conviction and the way you argued it makes sense.

I liked how you brought up that we should operate under the assumption that we still have two wolves in the WB and that we should be hunting among the "active when we are" people. Also liked your response to G-Man regarding who in the LB were talking about the WB players. Especially given that Daisy, one of those people, wolf read you. I think Wolf Marmot doesn't bring up Daisy (maybe still brings up Gavial tho) because her reads make you look worse.
Also dig your wall here:

Spoiler: show

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:42 am Some observations I had reading through the night. I've spoiled them for length.

Spoiler: show

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:10 pm I am very disappointed Marmot didn't get put in the lower bracket.

I'm as disappointed as you are.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:43 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

for someone who wanted in so bad and all all murder daisy now .. Alison has been surprisingly quiet.

and I thought she was going to cut off MacDougall's head and parade it around too.

Daisy jumped on Alison in the first two hours for being quit. Meh.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:55 pm Okay, so four of us are gonna die, and the other four are kinda winding up as the guardians of the future. So before we get totally involved in murdering each other I think everyone should commit to a legacy reads list on the other eight players (and no I am not ready to give such list now but I will. When four die I'm hoping we get two wolves and I am really confident we get one...but I think it is unlikely we get all three and end the game so the legacies of the town flips will be important.

Mac even though I am about 90% convinced you are town I am glad you are here.

Alison, I am pretty sure you are wolfing but I am putting that aside and hoping we can sort out the best four kills if you are town.

glgl

I liked this post from tim, and it's a good strategy for everyone. I mean, legacies are generally good, but we lose multiple voices at once, so it's even more crucial.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:08 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine
[VOTE: Made] aubergine
[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

He votes literally everyone except Tim and Daisy.

Yeah they look pretty damn aligned from where I'm standing. Maybe it's scum Mac trying to desperation antispew, but either way we should get rid of him.

Tim going from "there's a wolf between Mac and Alison, and I'm leaning towards Alison" -> "Alison is 90% scum" is a puzzling progression, and I think a convenient one.

DaisyCloud is probably the one among the three least likely to be actually scum because despite their scummy behavior they have towntold a couple of times and they're in the position to be wrongly antispewed as scum due to being incorrectly linked to scum players. I still think they have legitimate wolf equity however, and they're probably a good exe just to clear things up on that front.

If I am wrong about my 3-person solve, the next candidates are probably Kylemii (for being really spooked about dropping into the loser's bracket) or hollowkatt (as far as I can tell they're just straight sussing all the people I think are town). I think it's weird that Marmot wanted so badly to go to loser's but ended up not going when anyone else who was pressured to go to loser's did. I don't know if that's AI for him, or in what direction, but it's a note I'm sticking here.

[VOTE: Tim] aubergine
[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine
[VOTE: DaisyCloud] aubergine

My strong town reads are Gavial, Moghedien, Falcon, G-Man. I am willing to put myself in the 4 as a show of good faith if it will convince any of you to put my scumreads in as well (Tim/Macdougall/DaisyCloud). If my scumreads don't pan out, fall back on my town reads. That's my legacy.

I don't like this post from Alison

1) She's operating under the assumption that Mac is a wolf, which (aside from being clearly wrong at this point) she did from the getgo.
2) She made a weird argument against me for not making it to the loser's bracket, despite my advocating for it and even self-voting.



Losing LC sucks, but I guess we'll still have the same number people left by the end of tonight regardless, just one of the flips was automatically a townie.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:42 pm Didn’t even ping Mog and they viewing thread.
Convincing me more and more Mog is scum in winners bracket.
But I’m also quite paranoid dough.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:52 pm HK and Mog viewing but not scouting in ball.

Interesting.

Mac/Poison/Alison/Tim Today
HK/Mog/Whoever/IDK Gavial if you want. tomorrow

Should be it.
As HK/Mog is really the only scum I can see in the winners bracket.

37 Posts Remain.

I don't know what scouting in ball means, but I'm not ready to drop someone who was viewing the thread lol

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:53 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:44 pm Since when and where should you ever compare yourself to made?

I didn't. I questioned you about the fact you said nothing about him until you arrived at "yeah take Made to N2."

To me the real sort of level comparison for Made is TSP. Both are very cool heads who if town will be reliable to make well thought out decisions. Both are just pretty null reads currently who have not committed to anything that is likely to either clear or condemn them any time soon. So I think either one of them is a fine fourth, and either one of them can die.

I think Daisy is good active leadership, and I think you and I are good offsets for each other. I also think that both of us need that offset for the same general reasons that I don't think letting either Alison or Mac go forward would be a good idea.

If Daisy, TSP, and Made agree that killing Mac and Alison plus you and me is a good idea I could probably back that.

This post seems very team-oriented coming from Tim. Either that or it's an attempt to distance from Daisy and set her up for deepwolfing. But given that Made was one of the wolves, I doubt it at this point. If that is the case, at least they're already in the loser's bracket.

Made wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:03 pm Oh no, I hope no one scum reads me for something innocuous

LOL

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 2:05 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:02 pm I struggle to believe that Tim believes Daisy is the town leader the game so desperately needs.

I'm no town leader. I am town tho.

you most definitely are no town leader. this is not how a person who claims to be town should lead. just mowing people down and bashing everyone.

just because someone disagrees with you doesn't automatically make them scum. just because someone makes a mistake doesn't make them scum either.

stop being so antagonistic. stop treating like everyone is a complete idiot. get that chip off your shoulder. no one put it there but yourself.

this attitude you got, this im gonna just punch everyone in the throat and idc who I offend is messed up. just chill out and calm the fudge down.

town doesn't need u to be this jerk to everyone. this right here is why I didn't want to be in any bracket with u. having to deal with your hate. what is your deal? this can not be the way you actually find wolves. maybe it worked once upon a time in a game ages ago.

the way I see it this tends to be more of a scum tactic than a town one. to yell so loud and put everyone on the defense so you can misyeet to your heart's content. and you can layer just be like oop well they shouldn't have been so weak and scummy. well, collateral damage right? we'll get a wolf next time.


why is Tony so town for u? how r u so sure?

oh, and your so called act of good faith, it's trash. it's no doubt you calling everyone's bluff. you want people to think you are so town for saying that. it's sus and you know it. no self respecting town wants themselves yeeted just so they can have 3 of their scum reads get lynched too.

that is not how a town player thinks nor how they think town can win.

a town player does however from time to time thinks and will say that if they are mislynched or should be muslynchdd so town can gain info and/or insights. that if they are lynched it's okay because they were in the poe and it will help town determine who is the actual scum.

this, what you are bargaining for may to some look like that is what u r doing but it's not. you're not sacrificing yourself. you're no martyr here. this is narcissistic and selfish and completely scummy. it's cringe and wrong.

you want out so bad to get town killed go vote yourself. if not then calm down and get logical. idk why u r determined to watch town burn.

Daisy put a lot of effort responding to an Alison post that looked primarily directed at tim.

I agree with the point on Alison, but I don't really like the tone (Daisy I hope you're not too upset about this game).

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 2:23 am is it bad that part of the reason I want to have Marmot here isn't just my small scum lean but also they are nice and funny and can be a palette cleanser to Allison?

I feel like even if Marmot were to scum read me and get me misyeeted out at least they will be kind and not hateful and I won't hate this game. that I will enjoy playing. I won't be salty post game.

is that sus? probably. is it cringe? definitely. should I not make this post? most definitely

does it still make me town? of course


nothing good ever happens after 2am. yolo

plus Marmot has the cutest pfp

Awwww Daisy, my heart melted reading this post. <3

If I ever misyeet you it was never intentional (even if I do it as scum I don't think I could do it intentionally).



Also, it's probably just hindsight speaking, but Mac's points in response to Alison's approach are kinda townie, especially in posts like this.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:00 am Mac is raising a good point that the entire game seems to have swallowed the "at least one between Mac and Alison" narrative whole. That might be an indicator he is town. I don't understand why he played the early game the way he did but he's giving me his vote for this bracket. That means that either:

Sigh... I'm really confused about this one. Alison basically dragged Mac into the loser's bracket and created this dichotomy, and is now here realizing the impact on the game it's having. Kyle even made a comment Day 1 (or maybe it was someone else) saying they didn't want to go to the loser's bracket because it would be an Alison/Mac shouting match.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:47 am [VOTE: TonyStarkPrime ] aubergine he looks like he randed mafia and is playing it safe. yes, I read his iso.

Also, Daisy suspects Tony.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:47 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:36 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:03 pm Oh no, I hope no one scum reads me for something innocuous

....I SAAAAIIIIDDDD

I HOPE NO ONE SCUM READ ME FOR SOMETHING INNOCUOUS

im not exactly sure what innocuous means. because I'm not actually sure how it is pronounced. it looks like it could be 2 different words. also im not sure exactly how the 2 words I hear in my head to the pronunciation of innocuous is spelled so I can't make heads or tails that way either to differentiate ..

also I low key forgot about you and that's no good. I guess I go to your iso.

I don't know what Made was doing here. This was his second post of the day, and it was a reiteration of the first. But I do like this post from Daisy.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:24 pm I’m voting poison because I think that’s a likely wolf and gav cause if we have 4 chops we can chop gav and not sure what to do with the other two

I don't like this vote, or TSP skipping over the rest of the discussion between Alison/Mac/Daisy/Tim, although I don't blame him.

I thought poison looked fine at this point, or at least compared to Made's lack of content.

Poison wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:01 pm It's 4:30 am. I'm sleepy. :')

I can't believe you stayed up so late for a mafia game!!

Tim and Daisy are basically town atp. They both voted for Made, and are the only living loser's bracket players who did. They also were the only ones to respond to Made's random pop-in. They are teammate-compatible with each other, but I really think that they don't yeet Made in that situation. All it takes is for one of them to remove a vote.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:06 am Reading Poison/Made/TSP isos.

I came away from Poison with a slight scumlean. I'm not seeing much that is helping shed light on people's alignments and a lot of one liner responses to quotes that don't go anywhere. This is not out of Poison's townrange because she's very much a dynamic and high energy player who throws herself into the latest posts and just responds to every part of it regardless of "relevance". Nevertheless the bottom line is that the noise to signal ratio is poor.

I am fine with Made's ISO. Meta reads on DaisyCloud and Tim both seem genuine, especially as they are not that unlikely to be correct.

TSP is being TSP. He doubts there are 3 wolves, we know for a fact that there are. Could be a derp clear I guess but so many people have "derp cleared" based on setup stuff that I am not comfortable assigning too much weight to derp clear. Everything else seems within normal range for him, but I have admitted that I am a poor TSP reader. I would stick him at null, maybe a slight townlean since his reads seem to align with mine.

Of those three I would rather take Made out of the four-exe vote.

This was Alison's only mention of Made during Night 1. "I am fine with Made's ISO". That's definitely teammate compatible.

TSP didn't mention Made at all. Also teammate compatible.

it's pretty legit

I don't town read Kyle. I am struggling at this point to get a read on him in general, and this game is no exception. I've been going over his iso for the better part of an hour now and all things I'm reading point to wolf b/c of the way he's voted, some of the arguments he's been making, and that his questions typically don't tend to go anywhere and that's often wolf sign.
I'm not sure why he says our "best case send" is me & you, and that our realistic send is himself and one of me/you. I can't tell if that's b/c he thinks we're wolfy or if he things we're towny enough to find the wolves down there. He's kinda hedgy and kinda just "here".

I'm still working on writeups of the LB players still alive. I haven't cross ISOed anyone for anything, and haven't read Made at all.
I have some meetings tomorrow morning, then get my second covid shot about 3 in teh afternoon (so about 4 hours before EOD) but I am still hopeful to dig into LB before then

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:16 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:11 pm hk, what do you think of daisy and tim, and their votes for Made? Did you voice that somewhere already?

I haven't said anything about that, no.
I think it looks better for them than not. This isn't the kind of setup where you can get a lot of credit for sending down a wolf as wolf. You can get more credit chopping the wolf in LB if you are a wolf I think.
I swear to god TSP has to be a wolf here, look at the vote count that chops Made

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:16 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:23 pm


@MacDougall dies and flips town
@Gavial dies and flips town
@Made dies and flips...mafia!
@Poison dies and flips town

Long Con flips town.

D2 will end April 26 at 7pm EDT. Three people must be sent to the losers bracket, and you will have three votes apiece.

PEOPLE WHO CAN POST:
@Kylemii
@Marmot
@falcon45ca
@G-Man
@DrWilgy
@Moghedien
@hollowkatt


People who CANNOT post:
@Alison
@Timsup2nothin
@TonyStarkPrime
@DaisyCloud

Your postcaps are these plus 100:

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:52 pm I swear to the Lord Jesus Christ @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME get ISO links in the opening post

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:02 pm Seems we need to redo the ISO list for the night phase:

Host Nanook

Winners Bracket:
HK
Kyle
Marmot
Moghedien


Losers Bracket:
Alison
DaisyCloud
Falcon
G-Man
Tim
TSP
Wilgy


Dead:
Gavial<---CIVVIE
LC<---CIVVIE
MacDougall<---CIVVIE
Made<---MAFIA
Poison<---CIVVIE

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:45 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:39 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:21 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:16 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:15 pm okay, yeah I know ties are bad. idk what to do tho. I'm not voting g-man or tim.

why not?

because I think g-man and tim are town. im not voting out any towns. it's different if I did it by mistake and voted the wrong person.

why would I ever vote someone I townread who hasn't done anything to make me sus them?

if tim did something sus id vote him. same with gman.

they haven't. we don't all have the answers. mistakes that were made look like mistakes and not mafia trying to manipulate things.

Then whom are you voting for Daisy and why shouldn't I vote for you?

idk why you shouldn't vote me. idk why you should either.

if you think I'm town and I can solve this don't vote me. if you think having me resolved will help town to win then do it.

I don't think im voting you. I probably should.

I wanted Tony gone for so long. am I wrong to sus him?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:40 pm Has HK switched his position yet or is he still being inscrutable

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:32 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:23 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:19 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:10 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:05 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:02 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:19 pm

Fair. I think I have nothing to base any solid thoughts on. Marmot has never cast a meaningful vote, so his reads wandering around the map could mean...anything. Maybe you and him are wolves and decided that a split was in order...you go to lower bracket and he stays for F5 so the two of you aren't on the same path. Maybe he's a wolf and threw town you into the lower bracket to be rid of you. Maybe he's town and he's right. Or wrong. You haven't really had a chance to do anything that I would say justifies any certainty on his part either way, but if he is town he would be at a grasping at straws stage so sure.

The bottom line is that you haven't had a chance to do anything really readable, and neither has he, so neither of you should come anywhere near LYLO...but there may be no way to keep him away from it. We can keep you away from it, by just chopping you. So, no offense, nothing personal, etc etc etc, but we gotta just chop you.

not really what this is about. I've been on board with me dying since like day 3, but thank you for responding um sorry for being weirdly intense lol. It just seems like we both intend on dying and I'd rather not have the fact that the two people capable of knowing why marmot easily townreading me dying at once be the reason he slips by.

I'm kinda counting on two things:

1) G-Man, Daisy, and TSP surviving here (you could really help with this part)

2) Once I flip town and my motives are established as pure they go on to just chop Marmot and Mohg

ok, so you're thinking both wolves are Mog/Marmot?

Could be. I am locked in on the two wolves being in you, Kyle, Mogh, and Marmot. Kill two now, kill the other two on consecutive LYLOs, win game.

wait wait

that is to many kills tim

too many kills tim.

I'm confused

nah...just think it through...we are killing THREE, right now.

That needs to leave you, G-Man, and TSP.

Then there is a merge to F5

You, TSP, G-Man, Mogh, and Marmot. There may be two wolves, there may be just one. Either way, you, G-Man, and TSP just vote together. Either Marmot, or Mogh. If there's just one wolf maybe you win right there.

If you don't, the wolf NKs either you, TSP, or G-Man and we are on to F3. Two of you are still alive, so just stick together.

I have complete faith that if you, TSP, and G-Man just keep each other alive to the end the town will win.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:29 pm Also I’m pretty sure I solved the game on the first page and then nobody listened smh

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:28 pm I’m so tempted to chop GMan over tim here tbh but that just feels foolish

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:26 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:09 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:01 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:55 pm Ok, here me out.
I'm town, G-Man is town, Daisy is town.
I'm fairly confident TSP is woofin. Tim I'm on as wolf b/c of how things have shaken out. There's no specific "here's why Tim is a wolf" post I can make. All I can do there is point at how things have gone, who he's chopped, and that he's pushing for me to die here.

Kyle I'm torn on. I can see him being lackadaisical wolf who's just posting and being happy about posting, and I can see him as disconnected town who's really only gotten into the game over the last 24ish hours or so.
That leaves Marmot and Mogh in teh winners bracket and if either of them are a wolf then I'm just fucked I guess?

I think the best kills today are going to be TSP/Tim/Kyle. If that doesn't flip a single wolf then fuck. If that flips one wolf great, the last wolf is within G-man/daisy/mog/marmot and we have a chance to find them. If we don't flip a wolf today I think we just lose? We'll be merging brackets after tonight which means that wolves will get a traditional NK action so if we flip one wolf today we start "tomorrow" at 4-1 and we have a good shot.
If we dont flip a wolf we start "tomorrow" at 3-2 and have to be right twice in a row.

I think our best chance at getting at least one is tsp/tim/kyle

I'm coming around to you just being a wolf here.

You are actively pushing a plan that ends with, in your own words, "I think we just lose."

Remove me from the equation for a minute. If you want to replace someone from the set {Tim, TSP, Kyle} who do you remove AND which of G-Man or Daisy do you replace them with?

how about we "remove you from the equation" a different way?

If you hadn't been so fired up about coming to kill me and you guys had sent Marmot with Kyle...I'd be saying kill Marmot instead of kill HK.

NOTHING at this point is going to change the fact that I want G-Man, Daisy, and TSP to survive this night, and then commit to chopping Mogh and Marmot in whatever order is convenient. If one of those three has me fooled...my bad. And I have been wrong a lot this game...but not about who would be bad town at LYLO if town. If Mac lived to LYLO a town would vote him. If Alison lived to LYLO a town would vote her. I missed, but I have no regrets.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:21 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:16 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:15 pm okay, yeah I know ties are bad. idk what to do tho. I'm not voting g-man or tim.

why not?

because I think g-man and tim are town. im not voting out any towns. it's different if I did it by mistake and voted the wrong person.

why would I ever vote someone I townread who hasn't done anything to make me sus them?

if tim did something sus id vote him. same with gman.

they haven't. we don't all have the answers. mistakes that were made look like mistakes and not mafia trying to manipulate things.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:19 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:10 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:05 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:02 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:19 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:09 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:02 pm
Honest answer? Don't care. You guys were up there in the upper bracket where no one was dying no matter how you voted or what you said. Reads there are basically equivalent to typical day one reads...maybe even just RVS.

I didn't ask if you cared I asked what you thought.

Fair. I think I have nothing to base any solid thoughts on. Marmot has never cast a meaningful vote, so his reads wandering around the map could mean...anything. Maybe you and him are wolves and decided that a split was in order...you go to lower bracket and he stays for F5 so the two of you aren't on the same path. Maybe he's a wolf and threw town you into the lower bracket to be rid of you. Maybe he's town and he's right. Or wrong. You haven't really had a chance to do anything that I would say justifies any certainty on his part either way, but if he is town he would be at a grasping at straws stage so sure.

The bottom line is that you haven't had a chance to do anything really readable, and neither has he, so neither of you should come anywhere near LYLO...but there may be no way to keep him away from it. We can keep you away from it, by just chopping you. So, no offense, nothing personal, etc etc etc, but we gotta just chop you.

not really what this is about. I've been on board with me dying since like day 3, but thank you for responding um sorry for being weirdly intense lol. It just seems like we both intend on dying and I'd rather not have the fact that the two people capable of knowing why marmot easily townreading me dying at once be the reason he slips by.

I'm kinda counting on two things:

1) G-Man, Daisy, and TSP surviving here (you could really help with this part)

2) Once I flip town and my motives are established as pure they go on to just chop Marmot and Mohg

ok, so you're thinking both wolves are Mog/Marmot?

Could be. I am locked in on the two wolves being in you, Kyle, Mogh, and Marmot. Kill two now, kill the other two on consecutive LYLOs, win game.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:15 pm okay, yeah I know ties are bad. idk what to do tho. I'm not voting g-man or tim.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:05 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:02 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:19 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:09 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:02 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:34 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:02 pmI think it would be really interesting to see the Kyle votes juxtaposed with these takes. Time to go back through the G-Man ISO I guess for his vote tracker post.
I want to unvote kyle here b/c if this is from a wolf it's really well done, but there are a few things that don't sit right with me. If there were concerns about Marmot/Mogh from Kyle during the day phase yesterday I don't remember reading them.
Additionally, none of his votes have landed on Marmot/Mogh. Something to contemplate anyways.

I'm currently working through the votes tally that G-Man has prepared and looking for patterns. I'll have something on that later

I mentioned all the marmot stuff with less specificity for sure. there was nothing to push or question really cus it's mostly just a vibe thing influenced by a recent experience, I wanted to make sure my thoughts were down on paper, because I don't think anyone else here was part of that game or would notice the disparity. I guess Tim? @Timsup2nothin What do you think of Marmot's read progression on me?

I don't know how you could have missed me questioning mog though? 70% of my posts from this cycle were spent interrogating him on his sheeping of tony.

Honest answer? Don't care. You guys were up there in the upper bracket where no one was dying no matter how you voted or what you said. Reads there are basically equivalent to typical day one reads...maybe even just RVS.

I didn't ask if you cared I asked what you thought.

Fair. I think I have nothing to base any solid thoughts on. Marmot has never cast a meaningful vote, so his reads wandering around the map could mean...anything. Maybe you and him are wolves and decided that a split was in order...you go to lower bracket and he stays for F5 so the two of you aren't on the same path. Maybe he's a wolf and threw town you into the lower bracket to be rid of you. Maybe he's town and he's right. Or wrong. You haven't really had a chance to do anything that I would say justifies any certainty on his part either way, but if he is town he would be at a grasping at straws stage so sure.

The bottom line is that you haven't had a chance to do anything really readable, and neither has he, so neither of you should come anywhere near LYLO...but there may be no way to keep him away from it. We can keep you away from it, by just chopping you. So, no offense, nothing personal, etc etc etc, but we gotta just chop you.

not really what this is about. I've been on board with me dying since like day 3, but thank you for responding um sorry for being weirdly intense lol. It just seems like we both intend on dying and I'd rather not have the fact that the two people capable of knowing why marmot easily townreading me dying at once be the reason he slips by.

I'm kinda counting on two things:

1) G-Man, Daisy, and TSP surviving here (you could really help with this part)

2) Once I flip town and my motives are established as pure they go on to just chop Marmot and Mohg

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:02 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:56 pm probably the smartest and absolute dumbest decision.

Well, it does threaten to create a tie and let the wolves kill whoever they want, so it isn't great.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:01 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:55 pm Ok, here me out.
I'm town, G-Man is town, Daisy is town.
I'm fairly confident TSP is woofin. Tim I'm on as wolf b/c of how things have shaken out. There's no specific "here's why Tim is a wolf" post I can make. All I can do there is point at how things have gone, who he's chopped, and that he's pushing for me to die here.

Kyle I'm torn on. I can see him being lackadaisical wolf who's just posting and being happy about posting, and I can see him as disconnected town who's really only gotten into the game over the last 24ish hours or so.
That leaves Marmot and Mogh in teh winners bracket and if either of them are a wolf then I'm just fucked I guess?

I think the best kills today are going to be TSP/Tim/Kyle. If that doesn't flip a single wolf then fuck. If that flips one wolf great, the last wolf is within G-man/daisy/mog/marmot and we have a chance to find them. If we don't flip a wolf today I think we just lose? We'll be merging brackets after tonight which means that wolves will get a traditional NK action so if we flip one wolf today we start "tomorrow" at 4-1 and we have a good shot.
If we dont flip a wolf we start "tomorrow" at 3-2 and have to be right twice in a row.

I think our best chance at getting at least one is tsp/tim/kyle

I'm coming around to you just being a wolf here.

You are actively pushing a plan that ends with, in your own words, "I think we just lose."

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:06 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:01 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:55 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:31 am @Timsup2nothin yiu don't talk to me anymore. you ignore my posts.

I wasn't there at eod. u expected me there. I messed up.

I figured you be needing to at least touch base or something. did you see stuff I said about mog?

don't be a mic dropper. idk what your thinking and your plans/objectives seem really big.

dude help me out. ♡

I'm trying to help out. This game is simple. Find three town and stick with them. You have one locked...yourself. G-man is the second. I fully endorse and support you there. IMO if TSP was partners with Made the entire N1 would have gone differently. There was no need for Made to die there. Him dying didn't accomplish anything for the wolves. To me, if there was a second wolf in the lower bracket we would know it. So TSP is not a wolf. Take that to the bank.

So all we need is for the three of you to always vote together. Vote together now and chop out me, HK, and Kyle. I'm not a wolf, but it doesn't matter. Maybe Kyle isn't. Maybe HK isn't. None of that matters either. Because if you, TSP, and GMan just stick together you then chop out Mogh, and Marmot, and that's game.

I am convinced all three of you are town. Trust me...after I flip town, naturally...and just stay the course here.

You still haven't adequately explained why you think I'm the right chop here. You're formulaic and by the numbers and that's literally never you

I've never played in a game with multiple chops per day, no night kills, and players who can reach LYLO having been insulated from making a single life and death decision for the entire game. You are the right chop here, along with Kyle, and me, because I believe that G-Man, Daisy, and TSP are battle tested proven towns that give me my best chance to win.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:55 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:31 am @Timsup2nothin yiu don't talk to me anymore. you ignore my posts.

I wasn't there at eod. u expected me there. I messed up.

I figured you be needing to at least touch base or something. did you see stuff I said about mog?

don't be a mic dropper. idk what your thinking and your plans/objectives seem really big.

dude help me out. ♡

I'm trying to help out. This game is simple. Find three town and stick with them. You have one locked...yourself. G-man is the second. I fully endorse and support you there. IMO if TSP was partners with Made the entire N1 would have gone differently. There was no need for Made to die there. Him dying didn't accomplish anything for the wolves. To me, if there was a second wolf in the lower bracket we would know it. So TSP is not a wolf. Take that to the bank.

So all we need is for the three of you to always vote together. Vote together now and chop out me, HK, and Kyle. I'm not a wolf, but it doesn't matter. Maybe Kyle isn't. Maybe HK isn't. None of that matters either. Because if you, TSP, and GMan just stick together you then chop out Mogh, and Marmot, and that's game.

I am convinced all three of you are town. Trust me...after I flip town, naturally...and just stay the course here.

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:03 am Stop me if this sounds too crazy, but what if we just chop Daisy, Tim, and Tony?

Doing so would end the mystery of how many baddies were in the LB to start with. I’m the only one left from N2, and I’m being rightly civ-read by most I think.

If we find out for sure that Made was the only baddie N1, then we can re-read all the F5 for their subterfuge. It would mean 3v2 in a high-stakes LYLO and leave Kyle as low-hanging fruit based on the temperature of the room, but then we’d know for certain that two baddies made it to D3 in the WB.

If Made did have a N1 partner, we’ll chop them and then F5 is only 4v1, so we can afford to make one more mistake.

More scenarios later...

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:36 am Daisy: tonally i think she looks fine, unless i'm missing something i don't see any particularly strong contribution to taking down made. they did the "i see myself voting for ___ or ___" thing with mac and made which is a classic bus script, especially when followed by a 'i don't really know about made i haven't looked into their iso yet' followed by not seemingly looking into or commenting about a made iso. i dislike that they painted their contribution to made's death as being strong because it doesn't seem that way to me, and it doesn't seem outside of the range of bussing by a longshot. so "do you really think i bussed Made?" seems disingenuous. i don't see the post where they voted for made so it's possible the iso is fucked up and i'm not seeing some posts? on the flip side, many of their posts seem.... off the cuff in a way that seems genuine, in a way that's more difficult to fake as wolf. question for/about daisy that anyone can answer, what is daisy's experience level? has she been around a lot and played a lot of games on other sites?

Gman: i thought and i still think that a lot of G-man's early contributions (day 1) were sort of.... easy to without really ruffling feathers, i.e. the +,- list. there is a sort of formulaic diligence to the way G-man has moved through this game. like he's doing what he's supposed to do when he's supposed to do it. but he's also.... seems very thorough. if gman is mafia he's doing a good job of creating work work for himself and then doing the work. it's tough to actually place his intentions without the opportunity for involvement in the made vote. if he's mafia i wouldn't be annoyed losing to him. well actually i'd be a little annoyed.

HK: first town-look moment for HK was when he demanded to be sent to the shadow realm to deal with TSP and Tim respectively, and he has pretty much done exactly that since getting here. gth i think town. his mental processes are clearly on display in his posts, and it's easy to see where they're coming from and where they went.

Tim: i really shouldn't have saved tim for last i wish to sleep. ugh. my brain is dead and his words are just sort of floating together and i'm not catching any of it. there are a LOT of words i need to be awake for vaccine tomorrow so i think i'm going to save tim legacy for tomorrow.

Tsp: side note this is a nightmare people have to start tagging their votes. if true, i think tony's defense that made and himself voting different people would have kept them both out of the LB is valid, assuming his goal was to stay out of the LB. made seemingly wanted to be in the LB. i don' t know if tony did. there's not particularly a lot of meat on these bones. casual posts which move things forward

marmot: marmot irked my buttons by town reading me and has been in general high spirits, which is cool and good but it makes me nervous, like marmot is a cool guy and funny and i KNOW he's good at pocketing me and i KNOW he's very well capable of it and i guess i'm somewhat paranoid of the same thing happening here because of what mostly NANOOK and a little bit I, did in stardew valley. marmot is a prankster supreme and posting stuff like "this time i'm a wolf" when i jokingly ask him if he's mafia is exactly the kind of thing he'd do. i know this just sounds like the ramblings of an insane person but that's where i'm at lol. content-wise there is nothing particularly indicating that he could be town or mafia. marmot claiming a TR on me because of "a solid mix of jests and reads that looks authentic" was another thing that irked, specifically because our most recent game together Marmot and some others were fooled by specifically that exact thing, reading me (and again mostly Nanook) as town because of my easy breezy jocular attitude, which is something he should be specifically wary of, and also i haven't read my posts, but i don't think there was enough meat on any of my day 1 or 2 reads to be certified as authentic by any passersby.

mog: similarly to daisy, i disliked that mog used their position on the made train as evidence for their own goodness, though we went through like a whole fucking thing about it and i'm not gonna get into it, i came out of it feeling like they really felt what they were saying was true rather than just sheeping other people's thoughts, gth town i guess. if they're mafia it's up to someone else to figure it out lol sorry this list took a long time and i'm already passing out, i still have to do like 3 more people.

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:08 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:38 pm @G-Man What does your reading of the thread tell you about where/who wolves are? Like put aside the vote data for a hot second and lets just talk about reads and how you're feeling about things.
We've got about 24 hours or so to figure this out and I'd like to get as much data and information into teh thread as I can.

@Timsup2nothin did you see my post about the players in the WB and why I read them the way I do? Do you have any disagreements or issues with that?

Simply put, we have to assume there are two baddies here among the six of us. That means the POE starts at five, because I'm not mafia. After reading Daisy's progression on Made, I feel that I can remove her from the POE. That leaves Tim as the only possible busser of Made on Night 1 who also voted to ensure the biggest death-tunnel threats were on or near the chopping block; or Tony was the teammate who didn't use all his votes, avoided his partner, and opted to not break the tie for Chop #4 in the poll.

If it's Tim AND Tony, then sacrificing one of their own helps them avoid additional scrutiny and prevents the WB folks from barging in N2 with the goal to chop only LB folks. Throw a bone to the civvies because you can keep Alison around as a distraction for another night and an easy mis-chop post-Mac-flip.

I need to re-read Kyle's ISO in light of all the civvie flips. I was meh on him D1, and I would have probably advocated for him coming down for N2 instead of Wilgy but I didn't have time and I don't know if I could have persuaded enough people. Moghedien didn't vote at all D2, which makes them more sus in my book than Marmot, even though I know that Marmot can be a sneaky evil mountain rat. Gun-to-head, I'm content chopping Kyle based on outdated information.

HK- we mind-melded a little bit earlier in the game when it came to strategy and that clouded my perception of you through D2 and part of D3. I want to believe you are a civvie, but I have to be willing to waffle on you now just as I've come to waffle on Tim. I understand your frustration about the data crunching. Sadly, I have a tendency to start things and fail to se them through per my initial vision. I'm big on ideas but I struggle in the execution of those ideas.

So yeah, I'll be spending some time tomorrow ISOing the four of you. Today, I'm content to lose to Daisy is she's snookered me. If I can find the time, I'm going to work up scenarios involving pairings, assuming we have both remaining baddies in the LB right now. Taking me and Daisy out of the equation, that means wrapping my head around teams consisting of:

Made-HK-Kyle
Made-HK-Tim
Made-HK-Tony
Made-Kyle-Tim
Made-Kyle-Tony
Made-Tim-Tony

For now though, it's 11:00 pm for me, and I'm an old man trapped in the body of a late-30-something. Good night.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:54 pm HK, can i ask why you think that Tim and i can't be wolves together or at least shouldn't be yote together? this is in regards to your statement that today should be Tony + Me or Tim + a third indeterminate person.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:54 pm i think the best case Send is Marmot+HK, i think the more realistic Send is Me+HK/Marmot.

that said, Mog acting like it's our responsibility to listen to what the people in the other bracket wants so the decision is out of our hands pings my meter off the charts.

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:38 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:03 pm

Moghedien wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:52 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:50 pm @Moghedien what's the most townie thing you've done?

I'm not sure exactly how you would qualify this, but I helped send Made to the Losers Bracket. That's more than you or Kyle can say.

I'm not accusing you of being a wolf, I'm trying to understand how we've gotten ourselves into this situation. Asking someone what's the most townie thing they've done can catch wolves out b/c they're not really expecting it and therefore don't have an answer prepared.
I think you're town, I think Marmot is town. Kyle I'm not sold on.
I thought Tim was town up till seeing the flips today, now I'm not sure about that read at all.

I also don't think TSP is town.

I like G-Man for town for sure, and think that it's likely that Daisy is town too.

In list form:

Townies:
HK
Mogh
Marmot
Daisy
G-Man

Not Townies
Tim
Kyle
TSP

I worry if I'm misclearing Daisy the most, then you, then marmot, then g-man.
I worry about Daisy b/c I have a hard time separating out what's legit in her posts and what's native AtE. Not saying she weaponizes AtE but that it's kind of an inherent part of her play style.
I worry that I've miscleared you because while I agree with a lot of what you're saying and you did help send Made to LB that isn't clearing in and of itself except that if you DID send Made down you had help sending him and even then you don't know they actually chop him so yeah, no, you're good.

If I'm misclearing Marmot it's entirely on feels and melding and that's my bad then. What do you think of Marmot?

G-Man I have an incredibly hard time buying as a wolf. he's just been right on things

Seeing that pink part caught me off my guard today. That second sentence is pretty important to me. If you're a civvie, I will be amused, because you don't know how much I struggle to form reads on people yet because this is our first game together. If you are a baddie, that sentence reads to me like you're rubbing my face in the fact that I haven't been right about much at all even though I've shown my civvie nature through all the other wonky effort I've thrown out there.

If it's the former, LOL. If it's the latter, I won't forget it.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:29 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:23 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:22 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:19 pm also @Timsup2nothin vote me you wanker

If TSP was a wolf he could have saved Made.

And I had to wait for the poll to open.

Why would TSP the wolf save Made? It outs him as wolf to do so, and if not outs at the very least makes him a very juicy chop target the next "night", yeah?
TSP NOT saving Made here is the right play for TSP if he is a wolf.

But talk to me more about me, because you and I both know that's exactly why I'm here

You are here to kill me. What more is there to say?

And by save I don't mean some last second vote shenanigans...I mean TSP could easily have set it up so that Made wasn't in the chops N1...anyone could have. We could have and should have pushed Alison over then. Made could have voted her as a self pres. If there was another wolf around, ez pz Made survives. There was just no other wolf around.

So here's the thing...I have no case on you. I have a POE of four with two wolves in it and town has five kills. Hopefully me and my POE. Hopefully I got it right. <shrug>

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:22 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:19 pm also @Timsup2nothin vote me you wanker

If TSP was a wolf he could have saved Made.

And I had to wait for the poll to open.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:01 pm A'ight, I have thought about this a lot.

I'm gonna lay out what I think happened, what I think town can and should do to win the game, and then I'm probably just gonna dip, because my nature is to fight for my life and this is that one bad situation where that is the wrong thing to do. So here we go.

I think on day one we were all sort of lackadaisical about figuring out the implications of the setup, and we blundered into sending Made to the bracket. On N1 we killed him. Yay us. But I think that was the only wolf we really had a shot at. It would have been way too easy to save Made, between Made's uncast votes and the votes of another wolf.eight people throwing votes all over the place? Who would know? So we got the wolf we had available.

Day two the upper bracket really sort of luffed it. They sent down three people without really any consideration for whether they were wolves. Volunteers to kill Alison. Slankers that just needed to die before LYLO. Easy enough to just stay in the upper bracket and watch seven town choose meaningless kills.

The good news is that night two we did resolve Alison, who was a mischop waiting to happen, and eliminate the two slankers.

So here is how town wins. @TonyStarkPrime @DaisyCloud @G-Man, kill me and the two new arrivals. That gets you to F5 (unless it just wins). Kill the upper bracket people, one after the other.

Win game.

See you in post game.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:40 pm I bet you want to hear the rest of that though.