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no problem!Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:20 pm@Urist @hollowkatt instead use this one:NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:44 pm @hollowkatt @Urist sean has made a cool banner for you!
and just DON'T ask questions about why you should use this one over the other one:P
aww, that's awesome! How do I banner it?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:44 pm @hollowkatt @Urist sean has made a cool banner for you!
HYPE!JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 5:04 am This game is updated in the site Hall of Fame. Neat note: hollowkat, Seanzie, and Urist all secure their first mafia-aligned victories on the site as a team.
I've been wolf with her and I've seen her wolf. She's pretty damn good. I've also lost to her a few times me wolf her town and her town game is also pretty damn good.BoKnows wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:54 pmMeh. I think Esooa is a better wolf player than that.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:53 pmIf she's a wolf she doesn't argue vehemently to not chop me. She also doesn't keep working this close to the end of the day and she doesn't draw attention to herself like she's been doing with the other pushes she's doing
probably nothing good?
Obvs I think seanzie. I'm leery of the LC offer from Samu b/c I don't have a particularly strong read on either of them in either direction. You're off the table. I still like Marmot as town even though I think his push on me is bad and based in bad reads/information
depends on how egregious the AtE is. I also wolf read "lamist" in the style of Tutuu. GOC I subbed into a weird slot and then shitposted for literal days before being killed. MTG I went tryhard and got uber pocketed by Dunya/TSP and made the wrongest calls I could. Not sure there was an abundance of AtE in MTG anyways to read, and I did spend an extraordinary amount of time wolf reading Tutuu in GOC for her lamist/ateMarmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:32 pmhollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:16 pmI was crystal clear I wanted to wolf read DoO for the AtE and being pissy. I hate that kind of thing and wolf read it on sight. Baring that I think she's been ok..Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:53 pmYou've been secret-voting all day long, and then jump on my wagon even though I wasn't in your scumreads and you haven't said anything about me all day, and you're complaining about my EoD contribution?Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:45 pmthis is extremely weak and if out of 15 pages of posts your EoD contribution is pushing two people because one person made a single contradicting statement in going to lynch you without a second thoughtSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:39 pmI mentioned that HK and Esooa both jumped on my wagon even though neither have mentioned me at all all day, and Marmot mentioned that HK looked like he could have been trying to get a wagon going on me, and HK said he jumped on the wagon after Esooa and you, but Esooa didn't join the wagon until LAST. Why would HK think Esooa was on there before him?
Your vote was opportunistic at best, and my wagon going from one vote to 4 votes almost immediately, then HK slipping up right afterwards looks super suspicious. Besides, if you were paying attention, there were plenty of other things that have pinged me about HK. He's had a few towny moments, but also so weird things, like when he "wanted" to scumread DoO. No townie "wants" to scumread someone, they either scumread them or they don't. Why would you "want" to?
Do you typically wolf-read AtE?
I did a quick browse through GoC and MTG Mafia (two of your recent town games), and didn't see any mention of AtE in either. I don't know you as a player very well, but my current thought it that it's an easy meta-based read to fake.
Sure, there's a wolf on my wagon.Samusamu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:28 pmOkey, u want to share something else?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:22 pmI have zero thoughts or opinions on LCSamusamu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:21 pmProb, also want to know how other see that wagonhollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:14 pmAre you saying LC is the howling wolf?Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:50 pmLC been sitting and comfy on their vote.
I have zero thoughts or opinions on LCSamusamu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:21 pmProb, also want to know how other see that wagonhollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:14 pmAre you saying LC is the howling wolf?Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:50 pmLC been sitting and comfy on their vote.
I was crystal clear I wanted to wolf read DoO for the AtE and being pissy. I hate that kind of thing and wolf read it on sight. Baring that I think she's been ok..Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:53 pmYou've been secret-voting all day long, and then jump on my wagon even though I wasn't in your scumreads and you haven't said anything about me all day, and you're complaining about my EoD contribution?Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:45 pmthis is extremely weak and if out of 15 pages of posts your EoD contribution is pushing two people because one person made a single contradicting statement in going to lynch you without a second thoughtSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:39 pmI mentioned that HK and Esooa both jumped on my wagon even though neither have mentioned me at all all day, and Marmot mentioned that HK looked like he could have been trying to get a wagon going on me, and HK said he jumped on the wagon after Esooa and you, but Esooa didn't join the wagon until LAST. Why would HK think Esooa was on there before him?
Your vote was opportunistic at best, and my wagon going from one vote to 4 votes almost immediately, then HK slipping up right afterwards looks super suspicious. Besides, if you were paying attention, there were plenty of other things that have pinged me about HK. He's had a few towny moments, but also so weird things, like when he "wanted" to scumread DoO. No townie "wants" to scumread someone, they either scumread them or they don't. Why would you "want" to?
Are you saying LC is the howling wolf?Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:50 pmLC been sitting and comfy on their vote.
My point was that without someone clearly howling "kinda scummy' is good enough for D1.Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:49 pmIDK about you, but I want a scum yeeted not rush into the night.
I started out liking how Gavial was approaching the thread. I then thought Falcon made a reasonable point and wanted to see what would happen if I voted there. He kept working and kept posting and kept trying to solve even with some pressure and I liked that, so I went back to town reading him.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:47 pm Looking at HK's ISO, his read progressions today have bee crap:
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:13 pmfunny, I was gonna call him town lolSo here he expresses a townread of Gavial, and doesn't directly express a scumread of Falcon, seems to agree that there could be reason to see Falcon as a wolf, but then all the sudden...hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:55 pmSeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:42 pmI mean, votes should always be considered for their meaning. I think the word "serious" isn't quite right. Samu's vote didn't look at all like it was meant to contribute to a TK of Falcon, and rarely are early D1 votes meant in that way. Instead they are more used to generate content and reactions. Samu naked voted Falcon, and then when pressed, asked Falcon what he thinks of that. That vote looks "non-serious" to be in the sense that I don't really think Samu was thinking about TKing Falcon there. If Samu is town, it was a reaction test, and if he is scum, I don't think he would cast a vote meant to stay there this early in D1.
Doing reaction tests like that IMO is >rand town, and Falcon taking the vote seriously enough to OMGUS Samu I think is >rand scum.
basically there's a difference between "I intend to kill you with this vote" and "I wonder what happens if I vote you here". There's also "this vote is literally for laughs" but that category is generally really obvs.
Can see how ppl are getting to wolfy falcon off of that.
No progression or anything, all the sudden voting Gavial, who he had just expressed a townread on! Then he doesn't really give an updated read, but has some conversations with DoO, which look like he is trying to get DoO to townread Gavial, but HK ends up scumreading DoO at the end, and then...hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:14 amfuck it I'm in [VOTE: Gavial] auberginefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:25 amYeah, but here's the thing...he's called out D1 voting and early play already as not being something to build legit reads on, right?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:16 am ok thanks. I can see how he gets to "one of falcon, seanzie, samusamu is a wolf". Seems like that's a fairly reasonable stance to take. Not thrilled with his "don't want to hit wrong" take tho, it's still early.
His second post you quote is meh to me. Can grok why you don't like it.
Third post is a throw-away in my book.
I guess I get what concerns you, so thanks, I appreciate it.
So why is he taking these early interactions so seriously himself and framing it "1 of these 3 is Maf"? Seems contradictory to his earlier stance, no?
His "don't wanna hit wrong" is total bullshit, that is not a townie mindset at all.
Pffft, real town obviously never wanna hit wrong, but its D1! Nobody is close to getting hit yet, and even if we were...its D1, hitting wrong happens.
He def seems a flame fanner fo sho.
HK, care to explain your progression on Gavial? What changed from your initial townread to when you voted him? and what changed again between then and when you stopped thinking he was scum?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:34 pmnah, I don't think he's scum.Urist wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:27 amI think I've answered this but lmk. Hoping we can get on the same page this game and not have a repeat of mtg.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:15 pmtbh I want to wolf read her for it. mostly b/c I've done what she's doing as wolf, and I've had it done to me. It's kinda effective b/c as long as you're not crossing the line from "annoyed and responding with snark and sarcasm" into "actually insulting people" it gets people who sus you to back off.Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:09 pmI can't speak for DoO, but I assume it's the latter.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:16 pmIs this directed at anyone in particular or do you just kinda think everyone who isn't you is shite?DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:51 pm If you are being serious, work on your ability to analyze the game
I do think that's more of a townie mindset for her though. I don't disagree with the points you're making about her *in general*, but I don't think they apply to DoO.
Outside of her interactions with me/Gavial what's your take on DoO? I know my read on her is currently clouded by my recent interactions.
Do you still think Gharial is scum?
is: fairly vapid iso a good enough reason for you?BoKnows wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:41 pmActual reasons
poll order lolSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:39 pmI mentioned that HK and Esooa both jumped on my wagon even though neither have mentioned me at all all day, and Marmot mentioned that HK looked like he could have been trying to get a wagon going on me, and HK said he jumped on the wagon after Esooa and you, but Esooa didn't join the wagon until LAST. Why would HK think Esooa was on there before him?
I don't think he's town. As in I don't think he's doing town things. I don't see him making any kinds of pushes other than on people who suspect him. I'm not seeing independent solving from him, and I think he's functioning basically on omgus logic. I don't perceive him as low skill so omgus logic isn't a good look there.Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:34 pm
Because I moved my vote to Gavial.
Could you please explain what you find scummy about sean.
yes, hard claiming not to trackSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:32 pmUh-huh... so a second ago you joined Esooa, but now that you realize that's wrong... you don't keep track? The only thing not tracking is your story.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:30 pmI'm not keeping track lolSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:27 pmEsooa wasn't voting for me and hadn't said anything about me when you voted. You "joined" Esooa?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:25 pmyou mean I joined Esooa and Falcon on Seanzie right? Disingenuous much?Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:23 pmSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:20 pm I'm kind of second guessing my Falcon read right now. He is unabashedly not caught up. I feel like if he was scum here with an (albiet small) wagon, he'd either make a point to be caught up or offer some sort of excuse for why he isn't caught up. Instead, he has given out-dated reads, and only when pressed did he admit he hasn't read the whole thread.
On the other hand, people like Esooa and HK have been vote jumping, seemingly testing the waters with their votes, trying to find what will stick. Coincidence that they both have somehow landed on me without any progression? I don't think either one has said a word about me all day.
I searched HK's ISO and you're right, he didn't mention a read of you until after his vote (and his vote looks like he's trying to start a wagon on you)
I thought Esooa had voted seanz before me, my bad.Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:28 pmhollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:25 pmyou mean I joined Esooa and Falcon on Seanzie right? Disingenuous much?Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:23 pmSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:20 pm I'm kind of second guessing my Falcon read right now. He is unabashedly not caught up. I feel like if he was scum here with an (albiet small) wagon, he'd either make a point to be caught up or offer some sort of excuse for why he isn't caught up. Instead, he has given out-dated reads, and only when pressed did he admit he hasn't read the whole thread.
On the other hand, people like Esooa and HK have been vote jumping, seemingly testing the waters with their votes, trying to find what will stick. Coincidence that they both have somehow landed on me without any progression? I don't think either one has said a word about me all day.
I searched HK's ISO and you're right, he didn't mention a read of you until after his vote (and his vote looks like he's trying to start a wagon on you)
What's disingenuous?
I believe the order was falcon >> You >> Myself >> esooa
I'm not keeping track lolSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:27 pmEsooa wasn't voting for me and hadn't said anything about me when you voted. You "joined" Esooa?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:25 pmyou mean I joined Esooa and Falcon on Seanzie right? Disingenuous much?Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:23 pmSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:20 pm I'm kind of second guessing my Falcon read right now. He is unabashedly not caught up. I feel like if he was scum here with an (albiet small) wagon, he'd either make a point to be caught up or offer some sort of excuse for why he isn't caught up. Instead, he has given out-dated reads, and only when pressed did he admit he hasn't read the whole thread.
On the other hand, people like Esooa and HK have been vote jumping, seemingly testing the waters with their votes, trying to find what will stick. Coincidence that they both have somehow landed on me without any progression? I don't think either one has said a word about me all day.
I searched HK's ISO and you're right, he didn't mention a read of you until after his vote (and his vote looks like he's trying to start a wagon on you)
you mean I joined Esooa and Falcon on Seanzie right? Disingenuous much?Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:23 pmSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:20 pm I'm kind of second guessing my Falcon read right now. He is unabashedly not caught up. I feel like if he was scum here with an (albiet small) wagon, he'd either make a point to be caught up or offer some sort of excuse for why he isn't caught up. Instead, he has given out-dated reads, and only when pressed did he admit he hasn't read the whole thread.
On the other hand, people like Esooa and HK have been vote jumping, seemingly testing the waters with their votes, trying to find what will stick. Coincidence that they both have somehow landed on me without any progression? I don't think either one has said a word about me all day.
I searched HK's ISO and you're right, he didn't mention a read of you until after his vote (and his vote looks like he's trying to start a wagon on you)
I don't think wolf marmot asks me what would get him wolf read, do half of it (poorly), and then say "HKs vote on me wasn't serious and neither is his vote on Esooa"Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:57 pmYou have Marmot pretty high, (I did as well but with more going up he went down and the read wasn’t that strong to begin with) so what’s your reasoning for Marmot?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:38 pm where I'm at:
town
Gavail
Marmot
Sam
leans town
Doom
Esooa
everyone else is some flavor of POE or another, or I'm not paying attention
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:40 pmBoth of their reactions to Samu & Ihollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:38 pmspicyfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:15 am Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.
[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine
why are they top scum?
soooo lets just murder seanz thenMarmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:43 pmfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:38 pmI found his approach to Samu's & I the most opphrtunisticGavial wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:10 pmCare to elaborate?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:15 am Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.
[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine
I'm taking sean out of my townreads. I was just reading through those posts again and I agree with this.
He didn't have a lot of conviction and I think it's because he was looking for an easy way to back out of the read.
lol ilyEsooa wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:40 pmalrighthollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:36 pmnot enough ate ;-)Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:35 pmI already said this game suckshollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:33 pmall you need now is some ate and you can complete the trifecta of bad! Also I'm voting you nowEsooa wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:30 pmbecause I lied when I said I will proceed to not vote myselfhollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:29 pm yeah yeah voted in the poll.
@Esooa why are you self-voting and how did I miss that?
idk how it went over both yours and marmots head
fuck you hk
I'm just trying to make a fucking joke immediately after you mention it and not only do you completely fail to understand me but you continue with this dumb rule of voting self voters when I'm literally only trying to make light of a situation and now you made me top wagon etc etc
I could be more aggressive but in case people take it seriously lol
What did you find opportunistic about it? And does that mean you town read Samu then?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:38 pmI found his approach to Samu's & I the most opphrtunisticGavial wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:10 pmCare to elaborate?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:15 am Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.
[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine
yeah, bluegrass is an acquired taste. Funny, Billy is from a town not too far from where I grew upDaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:37 pmidk who is all there, my dad is going to see a dude named Billy Strings, who he has an obsession overhollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:36 pmhopefully the concert doesn't suck, who is it?DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:35 pm I'm being forced to this concert with my family, leaving at 3 to get there in time, and literally won't get home until close to midnight. sorry, honestly would rather play this
I hate the genre tbh, and don't want to be there at all
