The Syndicate

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:36 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:26 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:22 pm well played mafia btw, you used your abilities well.

i don't think the reverse yeet was that bad. we could have ensured that one person was left with 0 votes, but certain people were committed to playing suboptimally. i think that was the biggest advantage it gave the mafia, it was an obstacle for the town to play around.
giving everyone x votes instead of 1 wouldn't change anything btw. if everyone has 3 votes, i think it's even worse for the town because then you have to coordinate even more to get everyone even at 3 or 4 votes, etc.

you can call me out Urist, it won't hurt my feelings. I played like ass

Also it should go without saying but no hard feelings over here, I don't think that either of us were at peak performance this game hahah

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:22 pm well played mafia btw, you used your abilities well.

i don't think the reverse yeet was that bad. we could have ensured that one person was left with 0 votes, but certain people were committed to playing suboptimally. i think that was the biggest advantage it gave the mafia, it was an obstacle for the town to play around.
giving everyone x votes instead of 1 wouldn't change anything btw. if everyone has 3 votes, i think it's even worse for the town because then you have to coordinate even more to get everyone even at 3 or 4 votes, etc.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:00 pm Night actions have been locked!

112 has died, she was town
falcon45ca has died, he was town
Epignosis has died, he was town

@DrWilgy @dunya @TonyStarkPrime @Enrique @Epignosis @falcon45ca @Sloonei @Jackofhearts2005 @Justplayingitcool @Kylemii @Long Con @MacDougall @Made @Marmot @Esooa @112 @hollowkatt @tedxtr @Urist

Game is over, thank you everyone for playing!

Mafia has won! - Dunya/TonyStarkPrime, Justplayingitcool, Long Con, Enrique

Graveyard/Spec chat - https://discord.gg/S2YTUVXR

I'm waiting to receive confirmation from people that they are okay with me publicly releasing Wolf Chat, Mason Chat, and the two Neighborhood chats

Full reveal:

Spoiler: show

esooa/112 - ugin - town



lands: wastes, wastes, wastes



d1 - give mana self
n1 - na
d2 - give mana self
n2 - na
d3 - give 1 mana to urist, rest self
n3 - na
d4 - give mana self
n4 - na


drwilgy - saheeli - town



lands: island, mountain, wastes



d1 - give mana self
n1 - give thopter to guillotine
d2 - give mana self
n2 - give thopter to macdougall
d3 - killed



epignosis - rowan - town



lands: mountain, mountain, wastes



d1 - give mana to guillotine
n1 - na
d2 - give mana to dunya
n2 - na
d3 - give mana to hollowkatt
n3 - na
d4 - give mana self
n4 - na



marmot - will - town



lands: island, island, wastes



d1 - give mana to guillotine
n1 - na
d2 - give mana to dunya
n2 - na, killed



falcon - chandra - town



lands: mountain, mountain, wastes



d1 - give mana self
n1 - shoot wilgy (not kicked)
d2 - give mana self
n2 - shoot marmot (not kicked)
d3 - give mana self
n3 - shoot macdougall (not kicked)
d4 - give mana self
n4 - shoot long con (not kicked)



guillotine/sloonei - domri - town



lands: forest, mountain, wastes



d1 - give mana to epi
n1 - na
d2 - give mana self
n2 - use ability on macdougall
d3 - give mana self
n3 - use ability on tony (i disallowed it to work coz of the triple neighborhood)
d4 - give mana self
n4 - use on 112


hollowkatt - lilianna - town



lands: swamp, swamp, wastes



d1 - give mana self
n1 - shoot tedxtr (not kicked)
d2 - give mana self
n2 - shoot epignosis (not kicked)
d3 - give mana self
n3 - shoot 112 (kicked)
d4 - give mana self
n4 - shoot long con (not kicked)



jackofhearts - jace - town



lands: island, island, wastes



d1 - give mana self
n1 - holster
d2 - give mana self
n2 - holster
d3 - give mana self
n3 - holster
d4 - give mana self
n4 - block hollowkatt (not kicked)


kyle - ajani - town



lands: plains, forest, wastes



d1 - give mana self
n1 - protect dunya; killed


macdougall - raal - town



lands: island, mountain, wastes



d1 - give mana self
n1 - block dunya (not kicked)
d2 - give mana self
n2 - block marmot (not kicked)
d3 - give mana self
n3 - block 112 (not kicked); killed


made - karn - town



lands: wastes, wastes, wastes



d1 - killed



tedxtr - kaya - town



lands: plains, swamp, wastes



d1 - give mana self
n1 - activate ability (not kicked)
d2 - killed


urist - dovin - town



lands: plains, swamp, wastes





d1 - 1 white to kyle, 1 blue to jack, 1 cololess to 112 (props to urist for this. i was kinda expecting more towns to do stuff like this during designing)
n1 - na
d2 - give mana self
n2 - safekeep guillotine
d3 - give mana self
n3 - safekeep TSP
d4 - give mana self; killed




dunya/TSP - tibalt - mafia



lands: swamp, mountain, rainbow grove

(all wolves had a rainbow grove land instead of a wastes. it looked like this:)







d1 - give mana self
n1 - carnarium on mac + marmot (got blocked by mac)
d2 - give 1 colorless to jpic, rest self
n2 - agony HK (hood + 3 dmg, didnt heal), Punish the fool on Mac (0 dmg), lifescope for 2 mana, received mana leaf from LC
d3 - give 1 black to jpic, rest self
n3 - carnarium epi + hk
d4 - 1 black to enrique, rest self
n4 - agony + all kickers on sloonei

dunya/TSP's fake claim



lands: plains, plains, wastes




enrique - vraska - mafia



lands: swamp, forest, rainbow grove









d1 - give mana self
n1 - give mana leaf to LC (use kicker), receive mana leaf from LC
d2 - give mana self
n2 - mark epi (fake) and guillo (real)
d3 - give mana self
n3 - mark jack (fake) and urist (real)
d4 - give mana self
n4 - wolf pack epi, punish the fool hollowkatt, pursue token on falcon, lifescope for 2 mana

enrique's fake claim:



lands: forest, forest, wastes




JPIC - nahiri - mafia



lands: plains, mountain, rainbow grove









d1 - give mana self
n1 - wolfpack kyle
d2 - 1 white to LC, rest self
n2 - wolfpack marmot
d3 - 1 cololess to LC, rest self
n3 - create dishonorable duel token
d4 - give mana to enrique; use dishonorable duel on urist
n4 - victory token on 112

jpic's fake claim:



lands: plains, mountain, wastes




long con - oko - mafia



lands: island, forest, rainbow grove







d1 - give mana self
n1 - give mana leaf to enrique, receive mana leaf from enrique
d2 - give mana self
n2 - activate democracy, give dunya mana leaf
d3 - give mana self
n3 - wolf pack macdougall, give HK mana leaf
d4 - give mana self
n4 - trickery with kickers 1 3 and 4 on falcon

long con's fake claim:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:23 pm I approach things not just as a player but as a game designer.

So the first question given this morning's mana a mana clash (I'm so clever ) for me is this: "Would a mafioso use an ability to make himself the only other name on the poll?"

The answer to that is "Hell no unless you crazy."

The second question I ask is, "Would I as a game designer give mafia an ability to transform the poll from anybody can die to 'Mafia has a 50% chance of death?'"

The answer to that is "Hell no I ain't crazy."

The third question I ask is, "Would a mafia member whose faction has this in hand use this ability?"

See the answer to number one.

I'm gradually gaining the perspective that this is all going to be a cautionary tale of "Just because you can don't mean you should."

The reverse lynch mechanic was almost certainly going to work against civilians.

This lynch mechanic may very well work against civilians.

JPIC has essentially forced our hands into choosing between them, which means if we agree with the answers to the questions above, we have no choice but to accept JPIC's decision on the matter.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

On the other hand, silencing is a pro-Mafia mechanic in almost every scenario, and I'm not altogether sure I buy the "There's a secret benefit to it." I don't even make civilian silencers anymore.

The fact is we've been dealt two names to choose from, and one of them is someone whose skill set doesn't make much sense coming from a mafia member. The other one does.

And at the end of the day, if we lose, I get to blame JPIC.

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:53 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:49 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:43 pm I subbed in late to a game with no dead wolves and lots and lots of confusing mechanics, on a day where I have no voting power and am largely unable to commit much time to playing the game anyway. I am in possession of zero answers.

@Sloonei given the --- are the line between town and scum, how do you feel about this list?
and if you could move one from town into scum and/or one from scum into town who?

Sloonei
TSP
Epi
HK
LC
Enrique
------
Falcon
JPIC
Jack
Urist
112

My reads are merely an aggregate of what I have seen suggested by others in the thread over the last several pages. I have little to no independent thoughts on any of these players. But the impression I get is that Jack belongs in the town pile, and one of you or LC can be put into the scum pile.

Why are you asking me this?

Because I think you're town and regardless of whether or not you have a solid grasp on the thread I do not think you have an agenda here other than kill mafia.

But how does my answer help you?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:49 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:43 pm I subbed in late to a game with no dead wolves and lots and lots of confusing mechanics, on a day where I have no voting power and am largely unable to commit much time to playing the game anyway. I am in possession of zero answers.

@Sloonei given the --- are the line between town and scum, how do you feel about this list?
and if you could move one from town into scum and/or one from scum into town who?

Sloonei
TSP
Epi
HK
LC
Enrique
------
Falcon
JPIC
Jack
Urist
112

My reads are merely an aggregate of what I have seen suggested by others in the thread over the last several pages. I have little to no independent thoughts on any of these players. But the impression I get is that Jack belongs in the town pile, and one of you or LC can be put into the scum pile.

Why are you asking me this?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:43 pm I subbed in late to a game with no dead wolves and lots and lots of confusing mechanics, on a day where I have no voting power and am largely unable to commit much time to playing the game anyway. I am in possession of zero answers.

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:50 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:46 pm What's really fucking me up is that if JPIC's mafia and he wins, WE STILL HAVE A CHANCE (it's not an "automatic loss" as it's been framed) if the vigs move against him and do enough damage to kill. I was going to say we can't coordinate that publicly if they have a blocker, but actually who cares? They're still probably gonna block the vigs to be safe (we were talking about repeat roles earlier and totally forgot about this, but what's the difference between hk and falcon anyway? If one of them is lying that's also really dire at this point).

I don't like this train of thought. Even if I get executed here, I don't think jpic would be my #1 choice of vig shot.

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:41 pm If I'm still alive tonight I'll be protecting Epi. So at the very worst the mafia will have to counter me if they want the confirmed town to die.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:20 pm I kinda hate HK’s play today a lot.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:10 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:08 pm @Justplayingitcool your dome with urist brought it up. We were originally looking at Enrique/LC with the whole leaf thing. Then Tutuu pinged us with a link to the Thunderdome post so we shifted gears to trying to solve between the two of you.

Oh? your post implied to me that you were both discussing me and Urist before the dome happened

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:00 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:45 am

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:35 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:21 am right, except that the marked people that day were sloonei and epi, and the added marks are now jack and you

So there was no way in hell Guillo/Epi were being chopped yesterday, yeah? Like I think we can all agree on that. So no way to earn vig shots for mafia in those two. They're never dying.
Having the marks today be you and jack again guarantees that at most they'll have you in contention for a mark chop. Worst case situation is the mark on you is real, you're town, and jpic is mafia and we lose.
Best case situation is the person we chop is mafia and the marker, yeah?

Would scumjpic know that Epi had no chance of being executed when he sent the mark? This was before Epi had claimed mason with Marmot.
You're focusing too much on what is currently happening this game instead of whether it makes sense from a design perspective. But let's be real, I don't think this mech discussion is very productive.

A question for you now. In the neighborhood, who was being discussed as the execution target? If jpic is mafia, I'd give a stern look toward the person who was being discussed as well as the people in the neighborhood.

you and JPIC are the two people we've been focusing on.
So unless there's a mole in the 'hood it's coincidental that it's the two of you being up for a dome.

I real marked Urist before any of you lot ended up in the hood together to discuss anybody. Unfortunately, I am not clairvoyant.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:50 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:46 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:31 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:16 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:15 pm

you're reading for content but the context is also important to note.

what does this mean?

That of all the people you list Jack is most confident in Enrique?
Also, why isn't Urist in your POE of 6?

I get that. I was just saying that there should be one other town-read in there if he’d be comfortable giving one.

I don’t know. People don’t seem to be suspecting Urist when I ask for suspects. I thought someone implied there was a mechanical reason to view him as town.

I am just pooling together what seems to be the consensus opinion among the responses I’ve gotten. I haven’f actually read stuff.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:39 pm I think Urist/112 are tied together with the way Urist handled Bolas and the way he's town reading the slot even without being able to commit to a townread on 112 themselves. Yeah, I get not having read through all the posts yet, that's fair

If we yeet Urist, and he’s mafia, I get a vig shot. I am currently aiming it at 112 right now.

Get ready, folks

Spoiler: show

I've already put damage on 112, your shot may be better elsewhere

I'm open to letting the neighbourhood council lock my kill in if I get the vig

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:55 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:50 pm @Urist you said there was a benefit to being silenced. I think you need to claim what that benefit is.

Protect against x damage.
x is greater than 1. I don't think it's beneficial to go into more detail than that.

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:18 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:56 am

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:50 am

hollowkattt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:45 am

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:43 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:10 am It takes 4 mana for TSP to create the three person hood. TSP can generate 3 from his lands, and he was given the Maple Leaf which takes 1 colorless and turns it into two of any given color. Therefore, if TSP isn't lying, he could easily kick his ability last night to create the 3 person hood.

Thank you for effectively pointing out that he created the neighborhood last night if he isn't lying about creating the neighborhood last night. I hadn't thought of that.

thank you for ignoring my point lol
The point was that the 6 mana from Epi is a red herring, that dunya never needed 6 to kick her ability, and that the current hood is not a result of anything that she did two nights ago

You're saying that if he's not lying about his ability, it works in the way he says it works. I understand that. I'm not an idiot.
I'm saying it's possible he and dunya lied and that the neighborhood today is caused by another ability, or has another more expensive kicker that does what we saw the day before.

ok, obvs take this what however many grains of salt you want to, but dunya and I had talked about her kicker and what it could do in that hood. I knew from 4 IRL days ago that she could kick her ability to create a 3 person hood that would control the chop.
I also know that TSP, when he came into the game, barely had read his role PM let alone the game thread and the full chat between dunya and myself.
There is no reason for him to lie to me given that at the point he joined the game I knew as much or more about his slot than he did.

For what you're saying to be true he would have to have 3 abilities: 1 - create 2 person hood; 2 - inverse vote mechanic; 3 - create 3 person hood that controls the vote.
Nobody we've seen thus far has more than "base ability + kicker". I don't see how you can tie "inverse vote mechanic" and "3 person control hood" into one kicker.

Yeah that's true, TSP probably didn't have time to do anything other than skim your neighborhood. This is good to know.
I'll clarify that I'm not actually advocating for TSP to be executed any time soon. I mostly just wanted to get the theory out in the wild because I can imagine people clearing TSP for using what is at its core an anti-town ability that should never have been used if he's town.

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:53 am Like, you know that if TSP is mafia he can say literally anything right.

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:50 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:45 am

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:43 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:10 am It takes 4 mana for TSP to create the three person hood. TSP can generate 3 from his lands, and he was given the Maple Leaf which takes 1 colorless and turns it into two of any given color. Therefore, if TSP isn't lying, he could easily kick his ability last night to create the 3 person hood.

Thank you for effectively pointing out that he created the neighborhood last night if he isn't lying about creating the neighborhood last night. I hadn't thought of that.

thank you for ignoring my point lol
The point was that the 6 mana from Epi is a red herring, that dunya never needed 6 to kick her ability, and that the current hood is not a result of anything that she did two nights ago

You're saying that if he's not lying about his ability, it works in the way he says it works. I understand that. I'm not an idiot.
I'm saying it's possible he and dunya lied and that the neighborhood today is caused by another ability, or has another more expensive kicker that does what we saw the day before.

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:43 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:10 am It takes 4 mana for TSP to create the three person hood. TSP can generate 3 from his lands, and he was given the Maple Leaf which takes 1 colorless and turns it into two of any given color. Therefore, if TSP isn't lying, he could easily kick his ability last night to create the 3 person hood.

Thank you for effectively pointing out that he created the neighborhood last night if he isn't lying about creating the neighborhood last night. I hadn't thought of that.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:31 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:16 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:37 pm In a world where exactly one player in @Sloonei ’s poe is town, its Enrique.

I listed 6 players and we know there are only 4 mafia. So at least 2 of them should be town.

you're reading for content but the context is also important to note.

what does this mean?

That of all the people you list Jack is most confident in Enrique?
Also, why isn't Urist in your POE of 6?

I get that. I was just saying that there should be one other town-read in there if he’d be comfortable giving one.

I don’t know. People don’t seem to be suspecting Urist when I ask for suspects. I thought someone implied there was a mechanical reason to view him as town.

I am just pooling together what seems to be the consensus opinion among the responses I’ve gotten. I haven’f actually read stuff.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:39 pm I think Urist/112 are tied together with the way Urist handled Bolas and the way he's town reading the slot even without being able to commit to a townread on 112 themselves. Yeah, I get not having read through all the posts yet, that's fair

If we yeet Urist, and he’s mafia, I get a vig shot. I am currently aiming it at 112 right now.

Get ready, folks

Spoiler: show

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:35 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:21 am right, except that the marked people that day were sloonei and epi, and the added marks are now jack and you

So there was no way in hell Guillo/Epi were being chopped yesterday, yeah? Like I think we can all agree on that. So no way to earn vig shots for mafia in those two. They're never dying.
Having the marks today be you and jack again guarantees that at most they'll have you in contention for a mark chop. Worst case situation is the mark on you is real, you're town, and jpic is mafia and we lose.
Best case situation is the person we chop is mafia and the marker, yeah?

Would scumjpic know that Epi had no chance of being executed when he sent the mark? This was before Epi had claimed mason with Marmot.
You're focusing too much on what is currently happening this game instead of whether it makes sense from a design perspective. But let's be real, I don't think this mech discussion is very productive.

A question for you now. In the neighborhood, who was being discussed as the execution target? If jpic is mafia, I'd give a stern look toward the person who was being discussed as well as the people in the neighborhood.

Enrique wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:45 am

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:44 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:38 am

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:33 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:28 am

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:43 am Seems pretty unlikely that either of the tokens are real if you're mafia though.
If you're town then congrats on guaranteeing another misexecution.

Why would those tokens be fake if JPIC is mafia? What leads you to that conclusion?

Because it's totally broken otherwise. Assuming yesterday's execution mechanic was scum's doing, it would be so easy to get a mark executed. So not only would they get to guarantee a misaxe, they get a second nightkill on top of that. Seems a bit much.

Do you think the marks on Sloonei and Epi are fake as well?

I think that if jpic is mafia that all the marks are probably fake yes.

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:33 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:28 am

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:43 am Seems pretty unlikely that either of the tokens are real if you're mafia though.
If you're town then congrats on guaranteeing another misexecution.

Why would those tokens be fake if JPIC is mafia? What leads you to that conclusion?

Because it's totally broken otherwise. Assuming yesterday's execution mechanic was scum's doing, it would be so easy to get a mark executed. So not only would they get to guarantee a misaxe, they get a second nightkill on top of that. Seems a bit much.

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:43 am Seems pretty unlikely that either of the tokens are real if you're mafia though.
If you're town then congrats on guaranteeing another misexecution.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:57 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:05 pm That's right, mac claimed RB.
He blocked Dunya N1, confirmed by him in thread and confirmed by Dunya in thread and chat.
Right, Mac blocking Marmot would block you from sending a leaf, but he died.

Do you think LC is a scum mirror of you? @Enrique

Why can't he be the scum mirror of me?

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:09 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:05 pm That's right, mac claimed RB.
He blocked Dunya N1, confirmed by him in thread and confirmed by Dunya in thread and chat.
Right, Mac blocking Marmot would block you from sending a leaf, but he died.

Do you think LC is a scum mirror of you? @Enrique

I assumed from the first moment this clicked that he somehow blocked me and copied my power (for one night). The dunya/tsp connection to me makes a lot of sense when framed like that. It is possible I'm being too stubborn with my precise explanation (and I know it has holes - I've pointed these out myself, Urist did too), but it's what I think happened and it makes LC scum. If I'm wrong about his specific role, I still feel like there's something fucky there.

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:56 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:52 pm @Long Con @Enrique both of you are claiming to hand out Maple Leaf cards, yes? I'm not mistaken when I say that?

If so, who gave the card to Dunya and who gave the card to me?

Also, someone gave me mana last night. 1 colorless and two of the same color.

Nobody can vouch for me because I gave the first leaf to Jack (didn't get it) and the second to Mac (died). I will give a new one to Jack tonight though. I'm aware it's kind of an absurd position to be making my claim from, but it's all true. I've thought that LC likely stole my ability on one night (to get you a leaf) and the dunya stuff was just a lie.

I've also never given anyone any mana or received it. Making mana leaves takes up all the mana I produce. My kicker lets me make a Black Lotus (slightly stronger version of the same) but I don't think it's worth asking for mana / risking a PtF.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:58 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:49 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:59 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:26 pm Has anyone claimed the Neighborhood Yeet ability? Was it TSP?

Would love an answer to this sooner rather than later btw @TonyStarkPrime @hollowkatt @Epignosis

I don't know what this means.

I suspect that the ability which created the special execution mechanic on d3 is the same one that created the special execution mechanic today. It doesn't make any sense for them to be two separate abilities (what would happen if they were both used at the same time?)
Also, dunya was given a ton of mana for n2 and I don't think anyone gave her mana for n3, so how would Tony execute this special ability unless it was initially triggered n2 and this is just an after-effect?
What I'm getting at is that TSP is probably mafia. And that, unfortunately, I'm probably wrong on hk and that he's likely town after all.

This is what I was trying to get that earlier in the day and I completely agree.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:41 pm That's what Danny Tanner says after cleaning the bathroom.

Speaking of...

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:34 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:51 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:47 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:59 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:26 pm Has anyone claimed the Neighborhood Yeet ability? Was it TSP?

Would love an answer to this sooner rather than later btw @TonyStarkPrime @hollowkatt @Epignosis

Hello. I have done it. I have also been silenced. The purpose of the neighborhood is as follows: this ability gains its power from the existence of the confirmed town epi. I will plan on sheeping whatever Epi decides (barring him making a stupid decision or disappearing). However, I only have 10 posts to use in the thread and I have to use posts to vote so HK and Epi speak for me today.

Would also love to know why you silenced me. smh. [VOTE: urist] aubergine that's not nice.

Because there's a beneficial side to my action and I knew you'd be the least affected since you'd most likely be able to speak through a neighborhood today.
Also because I couldn't silence Guillotine on consecutive nights.

A few observations and questions here.

1. You targeted TSP with a silence because TSP would be able to speak through a neighborhood.
a. That somewhat implies you knew he would be alive today (not necessarily), but you wouldn't silence someone you expected to be dead.

2. The second sentence implies you wanted to silence Guillotine twice in a row. Why would you want that?
a. You said you chose TSP because you knew he wouldn't be as affected. Did this reasoning equally apply to Guillotine?
b. Why did you quiet Guillotine, someone I have trusted?
c. You pretended to not understand the mechanics behind quieting Guillotine, and from what I can tell, you didn't do anything with that as a civilian might in order to catch opportunistic mafia. No, indeed, you just said you wish you could target Guillotine again.

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:18 pm @Guillotine do you just die if you go over 10 posts then?

d. One could even accuse you of trying to bait Guillotine into wasting a post or more:

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:12 am

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:51 am

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:20 pm @Guillotine if you like to eat poop just don't respond to this and we'll get the idea

what is the context?

No context. But he never responded so I guess he does.

3. Silencing people in any context is at its core a mafia-aligned ability. If I am a civilian with that role, I don't use it.
a. So why did you? What did you hope to accomplish putting a post restriction on Guillotine (and hoping to do it twice)? And what are you hoping to accomplish putting a posting restriction on TSP?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:31 pm I didn't steal from him. If Jack didn't get one, that's not on me.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:23 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:51 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:47 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:59 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:26 pm Has anyone claimed the Neighborhood Yeet ability? Was it TSP?

Would love an answer to this sooner rather than later btw @TonyStarkPrime @hollowkatt @Epignosis

Hello. I have done it. I have also been silenced. The purpose of the neighborhood is as follows: this ability gains its power from the existence of the confirmed town epi. I will plan on sheeping whatever Epi decides (barring him making a stupid decision or disappearing). However, I only have 10 posts to use in the thread and I have to use posts to vote so HK and Epi speak for me today.

Would also love to know why you silenced me. smh. [VOTE: urist] aubergine that's not nice.

Because there's a beneficial side to my action and I knew you'd be the least affected since you'd most likely be able to speak through a neighborhood today.
Also because I couldn't silence Guillotine on consecutive nights.

Beneficial for you or beneficial for your target? How did you know there would be a neighbourhood tonight?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:52 pm @Long Con @Enrique both of you are claiming to hand out Maple Leaf cards, yes? I'm not mistaken when I say that?

If so, who gave the card to Dunya and who gave the card to me?

Also, someone gave me mana last night. 1 colorless and two of the same color.

I gave both. Not the mana.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:10 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:53 pm So it means you think falcon and I are wolfmates. Sub-par slang IMO.

No it specifically means I think falcon's post is indicative of him being your mafia buddy.
Your response to him wasn't Oscar-worthy either, to say the least.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:58 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:49 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:59 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:26 pm Has anyone claimed the Neighborhood Yeet ability? Was it TSP?

Would love an answer to this sooner rather than later btw @TonyStarkPrime @hollowkatt @Epignosis

I don't know what this means.

I suspect that the ability which created the special execution mechanic on d3 is the same one that created the special execution mechanic today. It doesn't make any sense for them to be two separate abilities (what would happen if they were both used at the same time?)
Also, dunya was given a ton of mana for n2 and I don't think anyone gave her mana for n3, so how would Tony execute this special ability unless it was initially triggered n2 and this is just an after-effect?
What I'm getting at is that TSP is probably mafia. And that, unfortunately, I'm probably wrong on hk and that he's likely town after all.

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:30 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:41 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:38 pm And you would be correct with that observation. Like I said, it will become clearer soon enough.

As soon as we yeet Urist?

no, definitely before. eta in 11 hours

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Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:29 pm I silenced TSP. He can still make 10 posts today, not sure why he's not using them.
Did he claim to have created the special yeet mechanic today or not? If he didn't cause this mechanic, who did he neighborize last night?

112 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:17 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:31 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:16 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:41 pm
I listed 6 players and we know there are only 4 mafia. So at least 2 of them should be town.

you're reading for content but the context is also important to note.

what does this mean?

That of all the people you list Jack is most confident in Enrique?
Also, why isn't Urist in your POE of 6?

I get that. I was just saying that there should be one other town-read in there if he’d be comfortable giving one.

I don’t know. People don’t seem to be suspecting Urist when I ask for suspects. I thought someone implied there was a mechanical reason to view him as town.

I am just pooling together what seems to be the consensus opinion among the responses I’ve gotten. I haven’f actually read stuff.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:39 pm I think Urist/112 are tied together with the way Urist handled Bolas and the way he's town reading the slot even without being able to commit to a townread on 112 themselves. Yeah, I get not having read through all the posts yet, that's fair

If we yeet Urist, and he’s mafia, I get a vig shot. I am currently aiming it at 112 right now.

Get ready, folks

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that's a bad shot