The Syndicate

Mac was able to vote in thread while he was Izanoomi targeted.
@Dolby I'm gonna need you to follow along here and place a vote on yourself.
Doing so will confirm that you have been Izanoomi targeted and you're not just playing a game.

We know that this is a safe vote b/c there can't be enough wolves alive to majority you

wait shit that doesn't work does it

@Dolby if you are insane quote this post with a vote for guillo

Did you receive honeys card N3?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:34 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:14 pm ok, maybe it's time to town case everyone
ugh
LC was souped, let themselves get vanillaised and has a dead town godread.

Scotty has been quite towny. Seems like Ender tried pretty hard to kill them.

You are a resurrected townflip.

Alison was kidnapped and has been a pro town voice plus was in the soup. I have mind melded with her a lot and feel she has just been townie.

I was cursed for 2 phases and in soup.

Dolby souped and killed a red check and a wolf.

Dolby is omega level clear. You are all but clear. Alison and I are clear barring wifom. LC is only clear by the soup and without it would be my push today.

C4 died as town with a strong townread on Scotty and a wolf read on Lime Coke. It's worth considering.

LC getting vanillaised may have been just apathy. If there is actually only one wolf left alive and they have no soup kill left then they've been solo since Martin flipped. LC fits the profile there. It would explain why there was no curse or kidnap on that night at least also.

But if LC is a solo wolf we can afford to clear Scotty first anyway. And Scotty is mafia in almost all 2 wolf worlds fmpov.

we can only afford to clear scotty first if we're lock solid confident that soup isn't a thing they still can do. Otherwise they soup me, you, dolby and win via parity with alison
The first soup came on D3, during the day, and they traded their NK to do it, yeah?

so another soup, should it exist on a cycle, would be today.

I think the C4/Listo deaths were due to bodyguard and that the rightful kills were me and someone in the soup

ok, maybe it's time to town case everyone
ugh

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:06 pm rightio well its not like my vote is a death sentence. 4 is hammer.
If a town joins you, and if there’s still 2 wolves in, I’m toast

I'm not voting yet and neither is alison from what I remember her saying.
I'm 100% waiting till dolby gets here with his thoughts

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:09 pm There are two wolves left alive imo.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:09 pm There are two wolves left alive imo.
if there's two one of the soup targets is a wolf
Or 2…

I hate end games. Mean wolves didn't kill me hard enough/mean host giving me resurrection ability

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:09 pm There are two wolves left alive imo.

if there's two one of the soup targets is a wolf

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:07 pm The way I see it is exactly how Alison has described- the souper only knows a portion of what I do, so I think I’m safe there. They don’t know Alison. So even if they soup the other 2 (and HK if a vanilla can be souped), that’ll leave us with 3 left: me, Alison and the souper.

Which is why they probably won’t soup today.

Is there a flaw in that logic?

ok, so if there's soup they only need to know one of your abilities, not all three.
They can soup mac via ascetic, me via vanilla, dolby via lie detector, and LC via doctor
That would leave you, alison, and lime coke. If soup is still an option I'd go for that today if I were a wolf that isn't named scotty

Lime town reasons:
soup
acceptable votes
soup
pushes that made sense at the time even if they were wrong

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:02 pm Why is Lime Coke town to you, HK?

ugh you're gonna make me think. I just want to chop you on auto-pilot lol

anyways, I town read dolby, alison, mac, and lime.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:49 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:19 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:18 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:15 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:08 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:00 pm like from your perspective you should be wolf casing literally everyone, even the "soup clears" as hard as you possibly can to not only show that you're town but also to find the last wolf. But you're really not. You're focusing on me and Lime as the softest clears.

Surely you'd be trying to dig into Alison as she's the one the wolves would have gotten wrong based on what's been said in thread up to that point.
I just don't get it

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:00 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:54 pm

Hammering what
That if we're wrong today and wolf has a soup available we just lose
I think I have mentioned the possibility that this could be MYLO. I don’t need to put it on a sign and glue it to my forehead.

No one is “cleared”, but a lot of the soup people have good
Town equity, and what I’m seeing and saying is that LC has the least town equity in the rest of the list. Would you disagree with that?

You mean do I think LC is the most likely wolf in the soup? no. I don't think there is a likely wolf in the soup.
You also were certain that TH was bad.

As were *most* of us.

I’m asking you to open your mind, Quaid

If there were someone bad in the soup, who would you think is bad?
I already said I'm victim blaming TH for this lol

If someone in the soup is bad it's.....
Spoiler: show
dolby

Tell me about this angle

his game has been perfectly cromulent, the shot on TSP is easy to pass off as "HK said he had a red" and Ender didn't have to die there.
on the other hand, those are exactly the reasons why he's town.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:56 pm @Dolby if you still have that lie detector ability, it is in best interest to resolve me with that ability

Again, I am town.

if his judgement day is anything like mine when I randed it on MU it was a 1x ability.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:18 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:15 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:08 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:00 pm like from your perspective you should be wolf casing literally everyone, even the "soup clears" as hard as you possibly can to not only show that you're town but also to find the last wolf. But you're really not. You're focusing on me and Lime as the softest clears.

Surely you'd be trying to dig into Alison as she's the one the wolves would have gotten wrong based on what's been said in thread up to that point.
I just don't get it

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:00 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:54 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:52 pm why aren't you hammering that scotty?
Hammering what
That if we're wrong today and wolf has a soup available we just lose
I think I have mentioned the possibility that this could be MYLO. I don’t need to put it on a sign and glue it to my forehead.

No one is “cleared”, but a lot of the soup people have good
Town equity, and what I’m seeing and saying is that LC has the least town equity in the rest of the list. Would you disagree with that?

You mean do I think LC is the most likely wolf in the soup? no. I don't think there is a likely wolf in the soup.
You also were certain that TH was bad.

As were *most* of us.

I’m asking you to open your mind, Quaid

If there were someone bad in the soup, who would you think is bad?

I already said I'm victim blaming TH for this lol

If someone in the soup is bad it's.....

Spoiler: show

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:13 pm I have to step away for a bit but I would advise against not hammering me until we look at all the angles

I already said I'm not voting till dolby and lime come back to the thread. You've got time

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:08 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:00 pm like from your perspective you should be wolf casing literally everyone, even the "soup clears" as hard as you possibly can to not only show that you're town but also to find the last wolf. But you're really not. You're focusing on me and Lime as the softest clears.

Surely you'd be trying to dig into Alison as she's the one the wolves would have gotten wrong based on what's been said in thread up to that point.
I just don't get it

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:00 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:54 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:52 pm why aren't you hammering that scotty?
Hammering what
That if we're wrong today and wolf has a soup available we just lose
I think I have mentioned the possibility that this could be MYLO. I don’t need to put it on a sign and glue it to my forehead.

No one is “cleared”, but a lot of the soup people have good
Town equity, and what I’m seeing and saying is that LC has the least town equity in the rest of the list. Would you disagree with that?

You mean do I think LC is the most likely wolf in the soup? no. I don't think there is a likely wolf in the soup.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:54 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:52 pm why aren't you hammering that scotty?
Hammering what

That if we're wrong today and wolf has a soup available we just lose

like from your perspective you should be wolf casing literally everyone, even the "soup clears" as hard as you possibly can to not only show that you're town but also to find the last wolf. But you're really not. You're focusing on me and Lime as the softest clears.

Surely you'd be trying to dig into Alison as she's the one the wolves would have gotten wrong based on what's been said in thread up to that point.
I just don't get it

why aren't you hammering that scotty?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:39 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:33 pm He was rezzed by his flavor card apparently.
Yes, that is what his flavor card says, and my point was that if there were a mafia role that could Rez him, they would count on that. Because who would go against a confirmed town?

The only thing confirming he is still town is HK saying so.

Granted, it hinges on the believability that that role could exist for mafia.

Otherwise, it’s more likely someone in the soup

If we miss today we lose

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:17 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:12 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:10 pm It's a nice flavor card. Honestly kinda scummy you kept it this long given that you'd never eat an NK and other people could use it better than you.

How do you like mine?
My intent was to hold it once I could be more consensus town, which I thought I was until d4 when I had some more people pipe up that I wasn’t, and so I shipped it odd to someone that could use it more. Wanted to give it to Mac but settled on you.

Yours is nice, good early game, I don’t think I have a great use for it. Don’t know how you have utilized it at all this game to influence your reads tho
Mine didn't trigger on any night I was visited so it was basically blank. It's a shame, I could have outed the kidnapper with it early.

speaking of, have we flipped the kidnapper yet?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:55 pm The logical move here is to vote me, but I am going to be town. This is possibly MYLO.

The other move here is to think of other options.
Here’s a few:

Why HK is bad:
He started as town, and was rezzed, but we don’t know that he was rezzed with his precious alignment. If someone can show me proof, otherwise this sounds like an easy way to coast to the end. Plus, Martin voted for him which made all of us put on our angry train conductor hats because ‘the nerve of this guy’. But that certainly makes HK look better.

The soup may actually be fake:
So hear me out on this possible gambit I was thinking about. Lime Coke is the one I’m most sus about in this soup. The other ones don’t have scum equity based on their actions and what has happened thus far in game to them.

But scenario: Lime Coke makes some despairing “soft claim” of doctor after honey dies. Put in soup. Factional kill is still in play. The vig shot in nook’s revealed role may be a red herring to legitimize the soup puzzle. He coasts. Because let’s be honest, what has LC done since honey died? Nothing.

Seeing that nook flipped with vig is curious and puts a slight wrinkle on the ‘fake soup kill’ option tho.

I'm sorry, did you miss the part of my card that says I resurrect with the same alignment as I died with? Because that's the only thing I can think of that would get you walking down the "hk flipped town but came back wolf" trail unless you are a wolf and need to exe me to win.

It's in the main discord channel btw if you wanna go look at it.

So your wolf reads now would be me/Lime?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:21 pm I believe the soup is real (see my point about nanook's KP) so I am clearing LC/Mac/Dolby. HK is only scum if he was death-godfathered and pretended to be rezzed VT when he was in fact rezzed goon. I suppose the writing on the wall was there so they had time to setup but he has been townie on play and it would be weird for the mafia to just send HK barrelling in like that guns blazing to suicide and flip wrong. Especially since they might not have known a resurrector exists.

I resurrected based on my card, it's in the discord channel. Every day I am dead there's a 10% chance of resurrection but only once.

I think we should wait for dolby and lime to check in with anything they want to add, but I'm planning on voting for scotty today

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:19 pm Yes, the mafia got my role wrong.

I know I am town, I also believe you are town, and I believe the last wolf is Scotty.

I am verified by action: I was responsible for Michelle's death. Nobody else has claimed responsibility. I have also been kidnapped on a day I'd be poised to completely control the town if I was a deepwolf.

yeah, that's right you did claim Michelle and nobody countered.
Yeah, we just kill scotty here.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:12 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:06 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:04 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:29 am Why not kill in the soup though
Given both dead townies flipped Bodyguard I'll venture that they might very well have.
How do we get two people with the same role though? Other than that yeah, I agree with you. C4 and Listo are never the kills here.
In the Percy/Kate crossover game, which was closed role madness, there were multiple townies with the same role. This was in order to punish a massclaim as two townies would counterclaim each other and confuse the town. A similar thing could be going on here as a contingency in case mafia waste their soup early and town feels like they can massclaim. Listo/c4 counterclaiming each other here might well have lost the game for us in some worlds.

Another option is that one of them has a role that can copy the abilities of another.

ok that makes more sense and does seem like something Guillo would do. That bastard ;-)

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:09 pm Nanook's flip also proves the soup is real. He had extra KP (a vigilante JOAT role), but no more than one townie died on any night before this. He is on a three action cycle, so we should expect to see 2 mafia KP on a night before Night 5 since he has vigilante.

Ergo the mafia's factional kill was taken from them as a result of the failed soup, and he used his vigilante shot to fill in for that night.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:16 am
A Soup Kill Has Been Attempted!

The following soup kill has been submitted:

MacDougall - Ascetic
Dolby - Lie Detector
Lime Coke - Doctor
Alison - Bomb Giver

One or more of these players has been wrongly matched to their roles, as a result, the soup kill fails and the mafia team will lose their factional kill for tonight.

If we believe claims you're the only one they got wrong, yeah?
Mac already claimed Ascetic. Dolby 100% used Lie Detector to kill Ender, and Lime claimed Doctor.

So the last wolf is guaranteed to be within you, me, scotty.
I know I'm town, I believe you are town. Therefore Scotty. Your perspective may be different, if it is, talk to me about it.

The only reason I include you here is b/c you are unverified by action or claim vs the rest of the soup, and while I think it's highly unlikely it's possible you are the deep wolf and your presence in the soup was to ensure you go as deep as possible.

But that's my tinfoil for if chopping scotty doesn't end the game.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:04 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:29 am Why not kill in the soup though
Given both dead townies flipped Bodyguard I'll venture that they might very well have.

How do we get two people with the same role though? Other than that yeah, I agree with you. C4 and Listo are never the kills here.

power is back!

Why not kill in the soup though

If the soup was real then who's clears off of that?
Alison
Dolby
Lime
Mac

Leaving me/scotty

Therefor Scotty

I highly doubt they had the same role, that doesn't make any sense.

Wheee I lost power

I'm victim blaming TH.
I'm also not voting for a while

lol that's funny, but also means we're kinda thinking on the same wavelength which seems good for scotty

this is what guillo says about soup:

Mafia also has the soup kill, a mechanic that allows them to kill players by correctly guessing their role actions. Scum has to submit only 1 of a player's JOAT's abilities for the soup kill to work. This is a mechanic that punishes claiming, there is no info of how many soup kill shots scum got, it could be 1 or it could be infinite. The soup kill is absolute and inevitable if a role ability is submitted correctly.

To me that reads as if it's a "wolf team" action, not "player x can soup"
they are required to submit at least one joat action

in my experience soup isn't an ability any given wolf has, it's an ability that is given to the wolf team as a whole.
like in the avatar game we could soup and kill and use our other actions. the drawback to soup was that it would be published by nanook in the thread who carried the soup

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:54 pm It's worth noting that LoMo actually claimed a role in the thread before he died.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:34 am @hollowkatt @TonyStarkPrime If you have any important info please share it in a single post in your chat.
This is a blatant as day medium claim and LoMo is very clearly not the kind of player to lie about his role for gambit purposes.

Yet he was taken out during the night and not via soupkill. This is another reason to believe that the soupkill attempt is real and mafia legitimately does not have a soupkill left.

right, that's why lomo died. b/c wolves knew there was fuckery abounding in dvc

didn't find anything

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:49 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:13 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:11 pm The thing about the soup being fake theory is that it requires mafia to actually have a pretty good attempt at working out what my role is, read into LC's doctor soft, and then use those things to try to make their fake soup more convincing rather than, you know, actually souping us and getting free KP. According to Mac the Ascetic guess on him was correct and Dolby's guess was correct as well. Mafia had a bunch of information to genuinely soup on and with Ender being run up that day it makes more sense for them to try to end the game than go for a bluff play.

If the soup was fake, where is the real soup? Why is Dolby not dead after blasting Ender in the face with a claimed ability? Why is Mac not dead?
Or HK. Yes I concur.
Flea I get killing but who kills LoMo and why? I think that thinking about that might be good?
I think it was a redirect. I ended the prior day voting LoMo. I think a town redirector moved the kill off me or Alison and onto LoMo.

I was thinking that might have been possible.

I'm gonna go check if there was a redirect in the last joated game

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:13 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:11 pm The thing about the soup being fake theory is that it requires mafia to actually have a pretty good attempt at working out what my role is, read into LC's doctor soft, and then use those things to try to make their fake soup more convincing rather than, you know, actually souping us and getting free KP. According to Mac the Ascetic guess on him was correct and Dolby's guess was correct as well. Mafia had a bunch of information to genuinely soup on and with Ender being run up that day it makes more sense for them to try to end the game than go for a bluff play.

If the soup was fake, where is the real soup? Why is Dolby not dead after blasting Ender in the face with a claimed ability? Why is Mac not dead?
Or HK. Yes I concur.

Flea I get killing but who kills LoMo and why? I think that thinking about that might be good?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:07 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:05 pm Btw the flavour cards are alignment indicative.
How so?
Look at Garden Gnome's card.

Wouldn't it be funny if Gnome randed mafia with that card.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:58 pm @hollowkatt did Honey mention anything about card swapping? She died and Nanook's card flipped.

No not that I remember, sorry

oh right, you're in retail

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:29 pm So this is what happened with the Scotty prosecution.

For - HK (1), Seanzie (6), Mac (8)

Against - Scotty (2), TSP (3), Honey (3), Flea (4), TH (5), Garden Gnome (7), Dolby (9), Creature (10), Osie (11)

Notably Ender was present and holstered his vote throughout the entire duration of the event. Innocent was hammered by a wolf. With the 2nd last vote being cast by a POE member who is hard shielding Scotty rn. All three people who voted yes are town?

Nanook speculated early about taking the free kill but also never voted either way. The whole thing was uber borked by HK outing a red check on TSP and several guns going off.

you're right. I thought nanook voted for scotty, but all he did was talk about whether or not we should take the kill

they use a tiny robot with uprights to bring the rugby ball to the field. that's adorable

@listo95 are you the last wolf? You can tell us, no shame I promise

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:22 pm
honey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:16 pm mac hk rose from the dead
ummm is Honey from the future? Look at when she posted this.

lol wtf

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