The Syndicate

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:30 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:29 pm btw thanks for answering @dyachei that helps me know more where you're coming from in context

do you think scotty is town?
his posting has been better today but I still have a weird feeling from how he treated syn's push on him yesterday that felt scummy

I thought his hyperdefensiveness at SOD2 was really townie given that wolves don't have a good reason to be that defensive and that the more he pushed back on the players wolf reading him the townier he looked.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:27 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:24 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:22 pm You know I really should work on finding someone who looks townie.
I only have red names on my list lol.
start by reading this iso
search.php?author_id=744&t=2322
The problem is everyone feels scummy.

And like honestly the only people close to being considered a town lean are Urist and HK.

when did that happen? I thought you had me as wolfy.

@Le petit poussin you asked for my wolf list. were you going to do anything with it?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:51 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:47 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:45 am @hollowkatt what is HPK?
Strong
Player
Kill

Basically Mac, as town, is a threat to any wolf team. He was town read enough that he wasn't going to be chopped, and N1 was the best night to try to get rid of him given the way the classes are designed.
It’s possible I guess

yes I'm saying I don't think mac was killed for his reads.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:45 am @hollowkatt what is HPK?

Strong
Player
Kill

Basically Mac, as town, is a threat to any wolf team. He was town read enough that he wasn't going to be chopped, and N1 was the best night to try to get rid of him given the way the classes are designed.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:43 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:30 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:27 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:23 pm is the case on dunya as simple as i think it is? My understanding is she's a really good wolf and i don't think she'd get caught that easily
how am i caught? cos i led a wagon on creature and he flipped town?
you're misunderstanding me

The players who suspect you think they've caught you. So my point is that the things they are wolf reading you for are really level 1 reasons. I don't think that's a good reason to wolf read someone who is very skilled as a wolf. usually means thy're a villager
arguments like these are why dunya wins as wolf. this makes no sense. "let's not kill dunya because you wouldn't suspect her if she were actually a wolf" yeah ok.

don't make me tinfoil a Dyanya team please and thank you

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:39 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:33 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:26 am
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:20 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:03 am
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:20 am
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:32 pm Honestly Mac dying does look pretty bad for Syn.
Night 1 was the only night where Mafia was guaranteed their kill cannot be stopped.
Mafia not killing Syn is just a huge question mark and killing Mac is always suboptimal.
@Syn you have a fan, but she is a wolf. RIP

(well I am kinda joking about this one because it is so blatant - "look I didn't kill Mac")
If what LP has thought is true, they believe:
-Mac was widely scum read by…people. Just from looking through Mac’s iso: (NAA, chicken, urist and LP all weighed in on that)
-killing someone widely scumread is suboptimal
-Syn was someone that Mac found sus?

But why does this particularly look bad for Syn again? Mac basically doesn’t even mention him.

Actually, now that I’ve properly looked through Mac’s iso, he had a mini back and forth with chicken where they were both calling bullshit to each other. Mac even voted chicken for a bit, and then circles back 24 hours later to again call chicken scum.
Earlier on, TSP was someone mac said was wolf, and I didn’t see him change opinion on either.

At the end, mac made clear that HK and myself were wolves, even going so far as to say with his dying breath “sheep me if I die” on HK.

MY CONCLUSION:
-LP’s narrative is that Mac dying looks bad for Syn, because no one scumread Syn (not true btw) and Mac was a suboptimal NK. While I feel this is distracting, and Syn isn’t the one that should have been NK’d, I do agree with LP’s line of thinking that mafia wouldn’t just kill mac for no reason when they’re not at risk of being blocked N1
-Mac’s death actually looks worst for le petit poisson, who Mac came back throughout the day to call wolf.
-Mac’s death looks great for HK imo and to a lesser extent me: an easy frame job that a wolf could point to and go “SEE? SEE? He said HK and Scotty were bad with his dying breath!”
But if you look at the bigger picture, mac was chicken’s biggest detractor throughout the day. Mac could just be a throwaway kill but I’m looking at a different angle: If there’s someone that would want Mac dead, it would be chicken.
-LP floating Syn’s name is just bizarre. It’s an independent thought that Syn looks wolfy ONLY because they weren’t killed because obviously they were the unanimous Townread. That viewpoint is so foreign, it’s on Mars.

Pulling poussin town to scumlean. More to come
I fail to see why you are treated me any different than both HK and you tbh. It's not like Mac said anything convincing outside "Raskol is a wolf". It's not like it got any traction. So, what are you up to heh?
I’m entering it from the question: why would mafia kill mac?
I know I’m town, and if HK is wolf, it’s much too on the nose to want to kill mac for that. So I needed to look deeper into the killchoice.

And if it’s not for me or HK…it was you. And to a lesser extent TSP, but mac doesn’t circle around on TSP’s wolfiness throughout the day.
I think you two know each other, and this NK was your decision to not only knock off one of your only detractors, but also to attempt to frame me or HK.
If Raskol is a wolf he has me firmly in his pocket and I"m one of his loudest supporters. Getting me across the line on the death of Mac feels like a wolf pipe-dream situation. I'm town read by lots of people, definitely more than I'm wolf read by. Getting me chopped off of the mac death is a stretch.
Additionally, why would wolf?Raskol want to eliminate me from the game when I've got his back?

I can see an argument from your perspective "Rask kills Mac, makes Scotty look bad, gets Scotty chopped oh Scotty was town, bet Mac was right on HK lets do him next" but me going first, if Rask is a wolf and you are town doesn't get you across the line for a chop and instead makes you look better because I'm hard town reading you.
I just don't see why wolf Rask wants to make ME look worse.
Why do you think max was killed?

SPK on someone who wasn't getting chopped like ever.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:39 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:49 am
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:38 am Who are the wolves HK?
they're in this set:
LP
Jack
Marmot
TSP
Urist
DrWigley

with a side of Dunya sus I can't shake but don't want to believe in.

I think the following are town:
HK obvs
Rask
Syn
Dolby
Scotty
NAA
Dyachei

Sig is a null and I'm assuming if Sig wolf Sig has been prompted numerous times to show up and do something. TSP makes my wolf list b/c he seems somewhat fixated on why sig exists, feels like a pre-associated attempted clear. That assumes Sig flips wolf but if he does TSP looks weird to me for wanting to know why Sig is still alive.
sig hasn't even joined the discord server fyi

shows how much attention I'm paying

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:36 am

raisins

Those are Grapes.
These are Raisins:

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:34 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 1:32 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:33 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:19 pm Too Much Intelligence
syn is town
rask is also probably town
dolby idk
HK showing a strong and healthy respect for my scum game is probably a good sign but idk I did kinda shit the bed in scum games with him but also at this point in time that I vastly prefer wolfing is known
the wifom is exciting me so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

when dolby says he shit the bed in scum games with me what he means is "night actions fucked me and I lost my partner D1" or "I was the D2 chop" except I was already dead by the time he was chopped D2 b/c I was the N1

so it's not so much "shit the bed wolfing vs HK" lol

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:26 am
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:20 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:03 am
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:20 am
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:32 pm Honestly Mac dying does look pretty bad for Syn.
Night 1 was the only night where Mafia was guaranteed their kill cannot be stopped.
Mafia not killing Syn is just a huge question mark and killing Mac is always suboptimal.
@Syn you have a fan, but she is a wolf. RIP

(well I am kinda joking about this one because it is so blatant - "look I didn't kill Mac")
If what LP has thought is true, they believe:
-Mac was widely scum read by…people. Just from looking through Mac’s iso: (NAA, chicken, urist and LP all weighed in on that)
-killing someone widely scumread is suboptimal
-Syn was someone that Mac found sus?

But why does this particularly look bad for Syn again? Mac basically doesn’t even mention him.

Actually, now that I’ve properly looked through Mac’s iso, he had a mini back and forth with chicken where they were both calling bullshit to each other. Mac even voted chicken for a bit, and then circles back 24 hours later to again call chicken scum.
Earlier on, TSP was someone mac said was wolf, and I didn’t see him change opinion on either.

At the end, mac made clear that HK and myself were wolves, even going so far as to say with his dying breath “sheep me if I die” on HK.

MY CONCLUSION:
-LP’s narrative is that Mac dying looks bad for Syn, because no one scumread Syn (not true btw) and Mac was a suboptimal NK. While I feel this is distracting, and Syn isn’t the one that should have been NK’d, I do agree with LP’s line of thinking that mafia wouldn’t just kill mac for no reason when they’re not at risk of being blocked N1
-Mac’s death actually looks worst for le petit poisson, who Mac came back throughout the day to call wolf.
-Mac’s death looks great for HK imo and to a lesser extent me: an easy frame job that a wolf could point to and go “SEE? SEE? He said HK and Scotty were bad with his dying breath!”
But if you look at the bigger picture, mac was chicken’s biggest detractor throughout the day. Mac could just be a throwaway kill but I’m looking at a different angle: If there’s someone that would want Mac dead, it would be chicken.
-LP floating Syn’s name is just bizarre. It’s an independent thought that Syn looks wolfy ONLY because they weren’t killed because obviously they were the unanimous Townread. That viewpoint is so foreign, it’s on Mars.

Pulling poussin town to scumlean. More to come
I fail to see why you are treated me any different than both HK and you tbh. It's not like Mac said anything convincing outside "Raskol is a wolf". It's not like it got any traction. So, what are you up to heh?
I’m entering it from the question: why would mafia kill mac?
I know I’m town, and if HK is wolf, it’s much too on the nose to want to kill mac for that. So I needed to look deeper into the killchoice.

And if it’s not for me or HK…it was you. And to a lesser extent TSP, but mac doesn’t circle around on TSP’s wolfiness throughout the day.
I think you two know each other, and this NK was your decision to not only knock off one of your only detractors, but also to attempt to frame me or HK.

If Raskol is a wolf he has me firmly in his pocket and I"m one of his loudest supporters. Getting me across the line on the death of Mac feels like a wolf pipe-dream situation. I'm town read by lots of people, definitely more than I'm wolf read by. Getting me chopped off of the mac death is a stretch.
Additionally, why would wolf?Raskol want to eliminate me from the game when I've got his back?

I can see an argument from your perspective "Rask kills Mac, makes Scotty look bad, gets Scotty chopped oh Scotty was town, bet Mac was right on HK lets do him next" but me going first, if Rask is a wolf and you are town doesn't get you across the line for a chop and instead makes you look better because I'm hard town reading you.
I just don't see why wolf Rask wants to make ME look worse.

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:13 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:49 am
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:38 am Who are the wolves HK?
they're in this set:
LP
Jack
Marmot
TSP
Urist
DrWigley

with a side of Dunya sus I can't shake but don't want to believe in.

I think the following are town:
HK obvs
Rask
Syn
Dolby
Scotty
NAA
Dyachei

Sig is a null and I'm assuming if Sig wolf Sig has been prompted numerous times to show up and do something. TSP makes my wolf list b/c he seems somewhat fixated on why sig exists, feels like a pre-associated attempted clear. That assumes Sig flips wolf but if he does TSP looks weird to me for wanting to know why Sig is still alive.
for cred?

it does feel that way yes.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:49 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:33 am Dunya’s play today is that of a small, submissive dachshund in a playpen of Rottweilers.

It’s a bizarre play for a w!dunya. Just looking at the last game she linked to me where she was bad, she never dropped her hunting in favor of…whatever this is. Granted, Wilgy red checked her at top of D2 in that game, so her behavior is perhaps marred by having to fend that off.

I dunno. It could all be a shtick, but I find it more interesting to watch the Rottweilers nip at her
i'm kind of offended you think this of my play right now, but also not offended.

do you prefer me to talk to myself in the thread? game is dead. people arent here. i would rather be a team player and let people make reads and read them than just spam the game.

also, i have been burdened by mafia for the last couple of years and i'm trying to play in a way that optimizes my enjoyment. this is the second game in a row where i'm "having fun" and enjoying myself---so expect this version of me to stay if i keep playing mafia!

I'd much rather play with "hard to read but having fun dunya" than "easy to read but is miserable dunya".

Basically my approach to you currently is let you do your own thing and make your own way through the thread and read you on your confidence, pushes, and results.

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:38 am Who are the wolves HK?

they're in this set:
LP
Jack
Marmot
TSP
Urist
DrWigley

with a side of Dunya sus I can't shake but don't want to believe in.

I think the following are town:
HK obvs
Rask
Syn
Dolby
Scotty
NAA
Dyachei

Sig is a null and I'm assuming if Sig wolf Sig has been prompted numerous times to show up and do something. TSP makes my wolf list b/c he seems somewhat fixated on why sig exists, feels like a pre-associated attempted clear. That assumes Sig flips wolf but if he does TSP looks weird to me for wanting to know why Sig is still alive.

raskol continues to be town so that's nice.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:40 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:38 pm Ok NAA has derped so hard that he’s lock town now
Ok, in my defense, the wording doesn't make any sense. Why would you start with 1 CP and gain 1 CP before you had to perform any actions? Why not just start with 2 CP? LOL

because your first CP was basically to invest in a class. Your second CP could be invested in a new class N1 based on your assessment of how the game was progressing, your reads, and what you think might be most useful.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:35 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:25 pm Ok NAA this counts as a dumb tell from you but it’s NAI because TBH I don’t understand how you’ve done it
I only had 1 CP at the start of N1 to my knowledge.

at the start of N1 I leveled to level 2. Then I received another CP before SOD that I'll use to become level 3 tomorrow night. Provided I'm alive that is.

it doesn't say you can't

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:43 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:36 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:23 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:49 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:32 pm Honestly Mac dying does look pretty bad for Syn.
Night 1 was the only night where Mafia was guaranteed their kill cannot be stopped.
Mafia not killing Syn is just a huge question mark and killing Mac is always suboptimal.
wat
no seriously, how is this a post you wrote with your actual fingers?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:50 pm [VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine
I’m just as baffled but why does that make LP scum?
it reads list a post LP thinks makes headway/gains traction, and gives them a launching point to push from but it's objectively wrong as fuck.
I'm only seeing the "objectively wrong" part but okay.

To me it reads like a springboard. I can see how others would not read it in that way.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:42 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:40 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:38 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:35 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:44 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:40 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:05 pm I've just skimmed Mac's iso:

I think:

Most likely to be mafia in orange

Players higher on the list are more likely to be mafia with people who are low on the list / not on the list.

LPP
TSP
Urist
Scotty
HK
Syn
LP
Dolby
Marmot

Players not really mentioned / not in the above ranking:
Sig, Jack, Dya, DrWilgy
Why do you wolf read me NAA?

Like is this something you've suddenly come to?
I town read you, but I'm giving some respect to Mac's ISO
Ok, so if you town read me but respect macs ISO enough to put me literally at the bottom of your POE does that mean your town read is bullshit or does that mean you believe in mac more than you believe in yourself?

I'm currently hard defending the other two "most likely to be wolves" on your list. Do you think that I think I have the chutzpah to do that to my, according to you, likely team mates? As in if your oranges are correct flipping me gives you the entire team right?
Do you think that little of my wolf game? (don't answer that b/c I don't want to be sad)
I don't think anything in particular about your wolf game.

For the rest...
c'mon man, you've got to have some kind of opinion there. Otherwise your fancy shmancy color coding is worth bupkis.
If I were respecting Mac's reads & combining them with my own thoughts on the game, I would kill Scotty.

ok that's at least useful. I came to scotty town early into the start of the day (yes I know it's still technically early but I mean really early) with how hyper defensive he was getting and assuming wolves aren't going to be defensive and deflated in this game state.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:38 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:35 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:44 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:40 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:05 pm I've just skimmed Mac's iso:

I think:

Most likely to be mafia in orange

Players higher on the list are more likely to be mafia with people who are low on the list / not on the list.

LPP
TSP
Urist
Scotty
HK
Syn
LP
Dolby
Marmot

Players not really mentioned / not in the above ranking:
Sig, Jack, Dya, DrWilgy
Why do you wolf read me NAA?

Like is this something you've suddenly come to?
I town read you, but I'm giving some respect to Mac's ISO
Ok, so if you town read me but respect macs ISO enough to put me literally at the bottom of your POE does that mean your town read is bullshit or does that mean you believe in mac more than you believe in yourself?

I'm currently hard defending the other two "most likely to be wolves" on your list. Do you think that I think I have the chutzpah to do that to my, according to you, likely team mates? As in if your oranges are correct flipping me gives you the entire team right?
Do you think that little of my wolf game? (don't answer that b/c I don't want to be sad)
I don't think anything in particular about your wolf game.

For the rest...

c'mon man, you've got to have some kind of opinion there. Otherwise your fancy shmancy color coding is worth bupkis.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:28 pm HK votes for people who make bad posts regardless of their likely alignment

this is true. I like my townies to be obvs. makes killing wolves easier.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:23 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:49 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:32 pm Honestly Mac dying does look pretty bad for Syn.
Night 1 was the only night where Mafia was guaranteed their kill cannot be stopped.
Mafia not killing Syn is just a huge question mark and killing Mac is always suboptimal.
wat
no seriously, how is this a post you wrote with your actual fingers?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:50 pm [VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine
I’m just as baffled but why does that make LP scum?

it reads list a post LP thinks makes headway/gains traction, and gives them a launching point to push from but it's objectively wrong as fuck.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:44 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:40 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:05 pm I've just skimmed Mac's iso:

I think:

Most likely to be mafia in orange

Players higher on the list are more likely to be mafia with people who are low on the list / not on the list.

LPP
TSP
Urist
Scotty
HK
Syn
LP
Dolby
Marmot

Players not really mentioned / not in the above ranking:
Sig, Jack, Dya, DrWilgy
Why do you wolf read me NAA?

Like is this something you've suddenly come to?
I town read you, but I'm giving some respect to Mac's ISO

Ok, so if you town read me but respect macs ISO enough to put me literally at the bottom of your POE does that mean your town read is bullshit or does that mean you believe in mac more than you believe in yourself?

I'm currently hard defending the other two "most likely to be wolves" on your list. Do you think that I think I have the chutzpah to do that to my, according to you, likely team mates? As in if your oranges are correct flipping me gives you the entire team right?
Do you think that little of my wolf game? (don't answer that b/c I don't want to be sad)

thanks jack... I think

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:07 pm I'm going to pretend Scotty isn't naked mafia today.

that would be a good idea given that scotty is town.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:05 pm I've just skimmed Mac's iso:

I think:

Most likely to be mafia in orange

Players higher on the list are more likely to be mafia with people who are low on the list / not on the list.

LPP
TSP
Urist
Scotty
HK
Syn
LP
Dolby
Marmot

Players not really mentioned / not in the above ranking:
Sig, Jack, Dya, DrWilgy

Why do you wolf read me NAA?

Like is this something you've suddenly come to?

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:58 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:32 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:24 pm speaking of game mechanics, I was either role-blocked N1 or I won the anti-lottery and got that 5% baybeeeeee
oh right, there are roles that get their results quickly.
I don't know about results, but I was told specifically that I didn't gain CP at SOD.

sounds like someone up there doesn't like you.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:33 pm We can all agree that HK is just town right? I was having an oopsie thought for a second today but I’m back on the wagon and have come to my senses

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:28 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:28 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:20 pm Killing Scotty yesterday would have been optimal for win probability I think, but instead we went on a bad meta read that needs to be punished today.
I'm kinda at scotty town
your avatar is me

you can be it shortly after I'm done being it. promise.

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:24 pm speaking of game mechanics, I was either role-blocked N1 or I won the anti-lottery and got that 5% baybeeeeee

oh right, there are roles that get their results quickly.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:23 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:21 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:18 pm How many people are going to angleshoot dumbtell the game mechanics?
reading and understanding op is NAI imo.

i understood zero of magic the gathering mechanics and i was wolf.
I keep thinking “hmm I don’t remember Dunya being a wolf in that game”

Look, I already have PTSDunya. Don't make me add TSPTSD ok

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:20 pm Killing Scotty yesterday would have been optimal for win probability I think, but instead we went on a bad meta read that needs to be punished today.

I'm kinda at scotty town

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:17 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:13 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:12 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:11 pm what happens if I do this:
dunya is town
the trolley bus problem
am I driving the trolley bus? if so I'm good with that. If I'm tied to the tracks though that's no bueno

Hmm tricky. I think LP and Jack are hits. Scotty would be collateral damage I guess. TSP and Urist I need reads on tbh (though I'm leaning TSP town)

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:16 pm who's wolf reading syn and why?

LP and the reason is some nebulous idea that Mac was a worse NK than Syn would have been

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:14 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:11 pm what happens if I do this:
dunya is town
u get a from me!!! seee now everyone will want one.

swag

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:12 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:11 pm what happens if I do this:
dunya is town
the trolley bus problem

am I driving the trolley bus? if so I'm good with that. If I'm tied to the tracks though that's no bueno

what happens if I do this:
dunya is town

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:02 pm I mean mac was scummy af day 1 so like I'm not sure why you'd ever kill an easy mislynch.

I wanna play whatever game you're playing, sounds like more fun than this one.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:57 pm HK join us

I want LP more than I want dunya.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:57 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:54 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:46 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:44 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:37 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:34 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:32 pm Honestly Mac dying does look pretty bad for Syn.
Night 1 was the only night where Mafia was guaranteed their kill cannot be stopped.
Mafia not killing Syn is just a huge question mark and killing Mac is always suboptimal.
why would I die N1 lol
You're just objectively the most townie person with 0 people scum reading you.
Killing you is a no brainer since there is 0 chance you survive night 1.
Anything else is just not worth it from the Mafia's PoV if you're Town.
that's hilarious

You, Scotty, and Jack scum read me, and I have incredibly little cachet

I was hooting and hollering for Scotty or Jack wagons and neither happened, everyone just went on their merry way to dumptrucking Creature and a flash wagon attempt on Dunia
So do you not think you have been looking townie?
How do you reach the conclusion you are never a night kill target?
If you think Mac was killed for scum reading Scotty you are a far better target who was tunneling him all of D1.
why do you think Syn was a better NK than Mac?
Or the guy who correctly called creature town throughout the day and also called mac town?
I've already said why. Mac and Syn had a lot of the same reads and Syn had just as much if not a bigger presence Day 1 than Mac. I really don't see a world where letting Syn live is ever a good play.
Also I have no idea who the second person you're talking about it.
Honestly I could be wrong about Syn, but Duyna is a very heavy scumread on me and she is so closely buddied to Syn it's hard to read Syn Town.

the counterpoint to that is, and I luff you syn you know that, in what universe do you kill Syn over Mac when Mac is an option?

Like I know I'd take a shot at Syn. Dolby and Raskol might as well. But I'd say most players here, as wolf, would take Mac over Syn unless Syn was having a godlike D1 and Mac was floundering around doing whatever it is he does when he's not Mafia God Mac.

The second person was me. I correctly called Creature town for most of the day, along with Mac.
Anyways, I'm not seeing a world where I, as a wolf, would want to kill Syn N1. Maybe you would I dunno. But I wouldn't.

He had a lot of posts D1 for sure, but how many of them were super impactful posts, did he lead wagons? did he lead pushes that others followed with any amount of vigor? High post count <> impactful thread presence.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:52 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:52 pm I also want to chop dunya
why

i used to be so easily townread, now it's so hard to keep my head above the water wtf is happening.

this set of posts feels super performative

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dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:23 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:20 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:19 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:17 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:13 pm i cant vote scotty, sorry syn

and sorry @creature for being such a big part in your misyeet

[VOTE: jack] aubergine
Why can’t you vote me?
cos you're bleedingly town to me.
From…the last 5 posts I’ve made? You were ready to string me up just last page
ready to follow syn tbh. the fact that you and creature were so neck in neck and no hammer happened actually leads me to believe now it was t/t and scum didnt care who of you went over.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:24 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:23 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:23 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:20 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:19 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:17 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:13 pm i cant vote scotty, sorry syn

and sorry @creature for being such a big part in your misyeet

[VOTE: jack] aubergine
Why can’t you vote me?
cos you're bleedingly town to me.
From…the last 5 posts I’ve made? You were ready to string me up just last page
ready to follow syn tbh. the fact that you and creature were so neck in neck and no hammer happened actually leads me to believe now it was t/t and scum didnt care who of you went over.
WHAT
i said what i said

i'm digging my grave so deep

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:25 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:24 pm creature was only a competing wagon to Scotty because of YOU
i didnt deny that? i took responsibility for it.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:26 pm i'm saying creature and scotty being the two leading wagons all day probably amused scum and they saw no need to hammer either way cos there's no urgency.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:27 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:23 pm is the case on dunya as simple as i think it is? My understanding is she's a really good wolf and i don't think she'd get caught that easily
how am i caught? cos i led a wagon on creature and he flipped town?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:28 pm not sure i like the language in dya's last post to implicate me so negatively. as if i did something to get caught at all. hmm.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:33 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:30 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:27 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:23 pm is the case on dunya as simple as i think it is? My understanding is she's a really good wolf and i don't think she'd get caught that easily
how am i caught? cos i led a wagon on creature and he flipped town?
you're misunderstanding me

The players who suspect you think they've caught you. So my point is that the things they are wolf reading you for are really level 1 reasons. I don't think that's a good reason to wolf read someone who is very skilled as a wolf. usually means thy're a villager
that's true, i would never make grave mistakes like spearheading a d1 yeet on a villager as wolf ever. if anyone finds a game where i did that as wolf, you can have an unlimited supply of cookies.

this actually basically makes me IC atp.

who are these players, other than scotty btw?

Like you're leaning super hard into "I would never do that" and some pearl clutching. That and I know how good of a wolf you are so there's some inherent bias but I'm working to overcome that and only actually look at content and context of your posts. And they feel wrong when I read them.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:46 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:44 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:37 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:34 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:32 pm Honestly Mac dying does look pretty bad for Syn.
Night 1 was the only night where Mafia was guaranteed their kill cannot be stopped.
Mafia not killing Syn is just a huge question mark and killing Mac is always suboptimal.
why would I die N1 lol
You're just objectively the most townie person with 0 people scum reading you.
Killing you is a no brainer since there is 0 chance you survive night 1.
Anything else is just not worth it from the Mafia's PoV if you're Town.
that's hilarious

You, Scotty, and Jack scum read me, and I have incredibly little cachet

I was hooting and hollering for Scotty or Jack wagons and neither happened, everyone just went on their merry way to dumptrucking Creature and a flash wagon attempt on Dunia
So do you not think you have been looking townie?
How do you reach the conclusion you are never a night kill target?
If you think Mac was killed for scum reading Scotty you are a far better target who was tunneling him all of D1.

why do you think Syn was a better NK than Mac?
Or the guy who correctly called creature town throughout the day and also called mac town?

I also want to chop dunya
not as much as LP though, but a lot.

talking about NK odds is meh b/c this whole game is a whos who of who should eat a N1 kill.

[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:32 pm Honestly Mac dying does look pretty bad for Syn.
Night 1 was the only night where Mafia was guaranteed their kill cannot be stopped.
Mafia not killing Syn is just a huge question mark and killing Mac is always suboptimal.

wat
no seriously, how is this a post you wrote with your actual fingers?

I'm kinda grumpy b/c we sleepwalked into the creature chop and I didn't do enough to stop you.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:16 pm i still dont know what cp means

I'm calling them character points. we can spend CP to level up our classes, or start a new class. I spent all my CP to level up the class I picked N0.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:15 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:12 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:09 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:07 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:05 pm Why is sig still alive
because nobody had enough CP to
That’s mathematically unlikely, and you know it.

Didn’t someone say most people would pick Warrior?

Unless this is an example of the bystander effect and no one did it because they figured someone else would.

Just weird is all
Yes, Creature, the person you all killed D1 said most people would pick warrior. Too bad he's not here any more to talk about that. I wonder what could have been done differently. I guess we'll never know.
I’m getting weird vibes from you today

that's called "oh fuck HK really is town isn't he". Sorry, I know that can be kinda shocking at first. Eventually you get over it though.

That and heavy doses of sarcasm.

I think scotty is town y'all.

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