The Syndicate

If chopping TH doesn't end the game I'd be looking at listo, who's currently browsing the forum

cause what I see there is Listo calling TH and Dolby "unlikely wolves" from MY train, calling Nanook and creature wolves, then calling Martin townie for the Dolby train BUT ALSO calling Martin least likely town.
Ultimately his POE there is Nanook, Martin, TH.
We know Martin flipped wolf. Is this two truths and a lie? Two lies and a truth?

Like I don't think Nanook ever flips wolf this game, I just don't.

listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:28 pm D1:
Mansnicks: HK, Honey, Scotty, GG, Ender, Michelle, Lime, Dolby
Ender: Mac, Alison, Nanook, Flea
HK: TH, Falcon, Seanzie, Mansnicks
Lost: Osie
Scotty: Creature
Nanook: Listo
No Votes: LoMo, TSP

D2:
HK: TH, Dolby, HK, Creature, Nanook, Ender, GG
Dolby: Scotty, Lime, Osie
Osie: LoMo, Flea
Nanook: Listo
Ender: Mac
GG: Honey

D3:
GG: Alison, Lime, Scotty, LoMo, Flea, Guillo
Scotty: Nanook, GG
LoMo: Mac
No Votes: Dolby, Creature, TH, Listo, Osie

We all already know what my D1 look was. Here it is again for those who forgot.
Spoiler: show
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:46 pm Okay my EoD vote look:

Mansnicks: HK, Honey, Scotty, GG, Ender, Michelle, Lime, Dolby
Ender: Mac, Alison, Nanook, Flea
HK: TH, Falcon, Seanzie, Mansnicks
Lost: Osie
Scotty: Creature
Nanook: Listo

In terms of the Mans train I find wolves try to avoid the start and end which gives town cred to HK, Honey, Lime, Dolby in my eyes. That would have put Scotty, GG, Ender, and Michelle in the parts of the train wolves like to hide in but with Michelle flipping wolf I find it unlikely Ender is a wolf also so if there are more wolves on that train my bet would be it is either Scotty or GG.
Somewhere else wolves like to hide especially if its a train that will be on a townie is they want to be far away so they can say something like "I have a wonderful vote record!" later in the game.
On the Ender train Mac and Alison stayed there for a long time so they don't appear to be trying to avoid the Mans train so they get slight trust, Nanook just seemed to be sheeping people without his own thought process so slight wolf there. Something else for Nanook is with how I'm reading their posts and my gut I just do get a wolf feel from them. Flea also did a sheep vote onto here following Alison's word so I would put that at slight wolf.
For the HK train looking at TH I get the feeling they are town from their posts based on the previous games I've seen of them. Seanzie was definitely not avoiding the Mans train so slight town I would say.
On Lost Monkey vote from Osie I like the post they did it from and how they came to the conclusion so I will put slight town here.
Now for Creature, I do find it weird how near end of day they switched to Scotty from Mans giving no reasoning. I'd place them as slightly suspect.
For the Nanook vote I know I am the towniest town there is!

From this alone I would say my biggest PoE would include Scotty, GG, Nanook, and Flea.
For D2 TH and Dolby are unlikely to be wolf from the HK train, Creature and Nanook are in prime spots for a wolf to hide so they both get wolf lean.
I'd say Scotty, Lime, and Martin are kinda townie for the Dolby train, Martin would have the least amount of town from it.
Flea I feel like is town, I know I'm town. Mac also feels town.

For D3 I feel like the entire GG train was town.
On the Scotty train Nanook was sheeping again so yay -.- I swear he has to be scum based on all of this but apparently this is his town meta -.-
I'm willing to bet whatever happened to Mac was due to wolf so yeah.
From the non votes I feel like Dolby and Creature are town. Leaving TH and Martin as my 2nd and 3rd most sus.

So as of now I would say my entire PoE is Nanook-Martin-TH.

@Dolby @MacDougall tell me I'm not the only one re-reading this post and going "wtf"

rugby 7s at the olympics btw. Japan vs Fiji currently

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:47 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:46 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:45 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:43 pm scotty I think is town b/c of his wim even as we were closing in on martin yesterday and TH today.
Like if he's a wolf he just shuts up and keeps his head down here I think.
what's giving me paranoia about Scotty is entirely D2

Scum fought against or ignored the fact that he was a free yeet
except nanook, nanook was the first person to jump on scotty, I joined him, then went back to TSP. I don't recall anyone else voting scotty though.
Mac voted scotty fwiw

cool. I wasn't paying a lot of attention to the scotty votes on account of the whole TSP thing

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:45 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:43 pm scotty I think is town b/c of his wim even as we were closing in on martin yesterday and TH today.
Like if he's a wolf he just shuts up and keeps his head down here I think.
what's giving me paranoia about Scotty is entirely D2

Scum fought against or ignored the fact that he was a free yeet

except nanook, nanook was the first person to jump on scotty, I joined him, then went back to TSP. I don't recall anyone else voting scotty though.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:43 pm That said it does say same alignment he had. And I guess there is room for him having been mafia to begin with.

Stupid bastard games.

ikr

scotty I think is town b/c of his wim even as we were closing in on martin yesterday and TH today.
Like if he's a wolf he just shuts up and keeps his head down here I think.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:41 pm HK is clean, his flavorcard flipped publicly in the discord after his yeet

yeah, I come back as the same alignment and without any roles

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:40 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:35 pm @hollowkatt how earnest was Michelle's solving in DVC? I feel like it'd be pretty obvious whether she really was town. Can you talk more about that? You mentioned Michelle and Ender both claimed to have flipped wrong in DVC and both wanted Scotty dead?

Also have you explained how it is you came to be still alive?
Michelle wasn't earnestly solving in DVC. She maintained that she flipped wrong but didn't work to solve anyone living.
We were given an option to send a name to someone that if they were alive would kill the named person. I advocated TH, everyone else who participated advocated Scotty. I think Honey was most vocal there.

I am alive b/c I had a 10% chance to resurrect. That ability isn't in my "role" it's in my "card", like the cards we all got to start the game that could be traded, it's in there.
You hit a 1/10 chance to resurrect? Wow.

better to be lucky than good

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:39 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:32 pm What about the notion that there are 2 partners left?
Probable

Ender def scum
Osie overwhelmingly likely scum
Still feel like Michelle was a pretty likely red flip

I think 16v5 is possible

Also was reading Lime Coke and the best thing going for him is that he's in the soup kill

Interactions with mafia from his end to them tend to be softballs

Ngl I don't want to read Scotty's 400 posts
If those three flips were accurate that would mean that there is only one after TH unless HK has come back a zombie.

I come back as the alignment I had when I died.
I can't come back a second time tho

I didn't think Michelle was being townie in dead chat, just that she insisted she flipped wrong.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:35 pm @hollowkatt how earnest was Michelle's solving in DVC? I feel like it'd be pretty obvious whether she really was town. Can you talk more about that? You mentioned Michelle and Ender both claimed to have flipped wrong in DVC and both wanted Scotty dead?

Also have you explained how it is you came to be still alive?

Michelle wasn't earnestly solving in DVC. She maintained that she flipped wrong but didn't work to solve anyone living.
We were given an option to send a name to someone that if they were alive would kill the named person. I advocated TH, everyone else who participated advocated Scotty. I think Honey was most vocal there.

I am alive b/c I had a 10% chance to resurrect. That ability isn't in my "role" it's in my "card", like the cards we all got to start the game that could be traded, it's in there.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:24 pm Also does anyone think there is a chance TH is the last?

Michelle, Ender, Martin, TH... Possible there's one more I guess?
also sushi

Spoiler: show

I made sushi

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:27 pm Anywho I'm gonna be at a marlins game tomorrow and it doesn't really matter cause we're all just twiddling our thumbs waiting for a flip anyways, but I double won't be here

who are they playing and how are they doing? Marlins aren't a team that usually make my radar.
Hopefully it's an awesome game and you have a great time!

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:24 pm Light spoilers are murder on my eyes

yeah I'm probably never using that again

sweet thanks!

► Show Spoiler

wait how do you do the light spoilers?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:46 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:37 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:30 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:28 pm She was fighting pretty hard during Open World. I tried to save her and she got yeeted Day 1 as the cop. I was so pissed off.
Top this off I was trying to get a bandwagon on a 3P. It wasn't mafia, but it was still way fucking better than shanking the fucking cop.

Now I'm making myself bitter. Should stop remembering bad games.
even bad games can teach us valuable lessons though. Sometimes that lesson is this: forum mafia sucks and we're all masochists for playing it
Is it that we’re masochists for
-playing forum mafia from the comfort of our own bubble and don’t have to meet up somewhere, make boring small talk, do some live mafia game that pisses off the casuals, and anxiously try to excuse ourselves back to the comfort of our homes

Or

-Playing mafia

Playing mafia for sure lol

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:30 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:28 pm She was fighting pretty hard during Open World. I tried to save her and she got yeeted Day 1 as the cop. I was so pissed off.
Top this off I was trying to get a bandwagon on a 3P. It wasn't mafia, but it was still way fucking better than shanking the fucking cop.

Now I'm making myself bitter. Should stop remembering bad games.

even bad games can teach us valuable lessons though. Sometimes that lesson is this: forum mafia sucks and we're all masochists for playing it

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:21 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:27 pm solving other wolves?
I have a solve and it's unlikely to change without any new information. Nobody really seems to be posting much and there's no effective way to apply pressure when the exe is effectively already decided so it's hard to get motivation tbh.
Is it nook?

Because based on contextual evidence, the main reasoning we’re townreading him is on townmeta, and not mech or townspew.

C4 spewed. Soup kill list probably real. Mac says I’m spewed. Listo would make an awful wolf if his POE are 2 wolves.

what else can we talk about

Ok, so I played Guillos Joated game on MU. I had a Purple check on Triple Haven (Cult). It turned out to be wrong, but all that day I hollered about how TH is not town and we need to chop them.
TH fought me tooth and nail about it, and ultimately they went over when the wolf team sheeped my incorrect result.

I know I know, you're thinking "HK you fucked TSP that way" and yeah, I should have known better, but my point is, if TH is town here there's no way they go down without a fight. At least that's my two cents.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:18 pm I did like Sailor Moon as a kid, but I think that was when I was really starting to like girls and they were cute.

Oh, and Inspector Gadget. Does that count?

No, inspector gadget doesn't count, but I would count StarBlazers

for the sake of making another post, only Dolby and TH aren't voting.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:15 pm I'm probably just going to check out of the rest of today ping me if you need me bye.

I can't see a good reason to hang around

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:10 pm More like hollowelephant amirite

and now I want to make that an alt account lol

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:06 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:40 pm ok holy shit that's incredibly big I'm sorry
Aww don’t be so hard on yourself, all ears grow as you age!

I meant the picture lol but yeah, I do have larger ears

ok holy shit that's incredibly big I'm sorry

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:29 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:57 pm Cue Trini Lopez
Had to Google that, didn’t get the reference.

Must be a generational thing

He wrote and sang If I had a hammer

Cue Trini Lopez

I don't even care to examine other people to see if they're wolfy

[VOTE: triple haven] aubergine
boom bye scum

pre-commit to voting TH when the thread opens for morning btw

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:51 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:30 pm Mafia will prolly kill like me or HK tonight- flea thinks he’s drawing the NK. Someone they’re less sure of for the soup kill

We’re in an excellent spot.
Wait they can't soup a VT?

I'd imagine role = vt is something they can soup yeah

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:30 pm Mafia will prolly kill like me or HK tonight- flea thinks he’s drawing the NK. Someone they’re less sure of for the soup kill

We’re in an excellent spot.

I regret that I have but two lives to give for town

wasn't there a wolf pushing creature? If so that kinda spews that slot (c4 now) town doesn't it?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:55 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:54 am Like I am so confident I am billboard town I am hard claiming a miller on n4 under no pressure in a game with a resurrected alignment cop.
Hes rezzed as vt

yeah, what nanook said

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:35 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:33 am anyways, we kill triple haven tomorrow
c4 literally conceded dude

while that may be true it doesn't change what I want]/i] and that is Triple Havens head on a pike

anyways, we kill triple haven tomorrow

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:27 am btw we should just claim since mafia used their soup unless I am missing something? I don't believe guillo is an exponent of unlimited soup.

yeah I don't think guillo does unlimited soups.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:20 am Guess what I am back. Woofs prepare to die.

what up my dude, welcome back to the land of posting

pro tip: don't rock into the thread sussing the resurrected townie. it's not a good look

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:50 amCool so w/w

that's where I'm at

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:11 am Oddly more confident that TH is a wolf than Martin

Freezing after doing a dumb thing and getting railed by everyone for it isn't too odd, if a bit out of character for Martin
Freezing after heavily implying you have good mech for the top wagon and putting on bravado to chainsaw is just not it

But we'll probably kill her regardless tomorrow

I think what's damning there is martin could have tried to show he's town via some strong wolf hunting. Instead when he was pressured and the wagon grew he just vanished. To me that's basically admitting they're furry and trying to avoid spew as hard as they can.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:01 pm I’ve also said this before, and not to discount it completely, but metas can be faked. People that talk about their metas and flaunt what they would do as wolf or as town automatically raise my hackles. The first step is awareness of your tell, the next step is being able to replicate it.

Listo’s saying he always does “A” as wolf. Others say nook always does “B” as town. Perhaps…if they…just changed their playstyle for a game…they could…fool people more

you're not wrong, but like isn't it super interesting that as soon as there's pressure on martin and triple they just kinda... vanish?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:00 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:55 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:53 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:51 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:42 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:40 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:35 pm

Look I would LOVE to shoot him myself but I never got the KP to do so. Also I NEVER DO THIS AS A WOLF.

listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:31 pm I also don't get why you don't understand what I said earlier. As a wolf I never work with my team to push a yeet. If they are one of the options I will 99% of the time bus my own team for the town cred.
What am I missing here?
That I will GLADLY vote my own team to yeet them. As a wolf I always try my hardest to have a perfect vote record in terms of never voting town. I also generally never make reads and will just sheep with people.
I’m still confused, because if nook is wolf, and you’ve been voting nook as nauseum…you’re playing right into your wolf meta. Are you not?
Okay let me try to explain it better. I will vote for a team as a wolf if they are already a valid wagon. As a wolf I would never be trying this hard with Nanook.
I kinda buy that.
Like ok, if you're wolf and nanook is town why are you going so hard on him when there's other options to go hard on like TH and Martin, even if they are your pack you could get some credit for pushing on them.
If you're town and nanook is a wolf then your go hard there makes a lot of sense, something triggers your wolf radar there and you want to see that through.

If you're both wolves this loses the game b/c like the town reads nanook is getting are from people who are really experienced with reading him. Not that it's meta, but that it's practice.
Counterpoint: I'm a super easy place to park and not have to do anything for three and a half days cause I'm poe but haven't been in serious danger of going over

countercounterpoint: flipping you wins nobody anything (unless you're the last wolf in which case gg me)

listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:53 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:51 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:42 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:40 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:35 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:33 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:29 pm

Then shoot me. Prove yourself wrong. Or shoot Nanook and prove me town.
I’m not convinced at this point that you aren’t PARTNERS with nook. Like- ok, we kindly ignore you all game, finally kill nook, he flips red, you get massive cred for it. Because you’ve been dancing on his nutsack all game. But in the end, it could all be a deep ploy because why would we lynch nook? He’s a slanker and would probably get shot instead. Far easier to sit on your hands and let someone else vig him and take credit for the discovery.

Listo/nook 2024
Look I would LOVE to shoot him myself but I never got the KP to do so. Also I NEVER DO THIS AS A WOLF.

listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:31 pm I also don't get why you don't understand what I said earlier. As a wolf I never work with my team to push a yeet. If they are one of the options I will 99% of the time bus my own team for the town cred.
What am I missing here?
That I will GLADLY vote my own team to yeet them. As a wolf I always try my hardest to have a perfect vote record in terms of never voting town. I also generally never make reads and will just sheep with people.
I’m still confused, because if nook is wolf, and you’ve been voting nook as nauseum…you’re playing right into your wolf meta. Are you not?
Okay let me try to explain it better. I will vote for a team as a wolf if they are already a valid wagon. As a wolf I would never be trying this hard with Nanook.

I kinda buy that.
Like ok, if you're wolf and nanook is town why are you going so hard on him when there's other options to go hard on like TH and Martin, even if they are your pack you could get some credit for pushing on them.
If you're town and nanook is a wolf then your go hard there makes a lot of sense, something triggers your wolf radar there and you want to see that through.

If you're both wolves this loses the game b/c like the town reads nanook is getting are from people who are really experienced with reading him. Not that it's meta, but that it's practice.

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