haha we actually freaked out a lil and then shrugged yeah
i was most scared that wilgy would get a genuine wagon on me, because once i flipped roleblocker, fatmo is basically outed
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char you did such a good job re-evaluating, we really wanted you dead but like i just don't think we had a way to get the burns off without just killing cass. i guess that's how this game balances having 2 mafia kills a night. but what if yue/katara wind up scum roles??chardonnay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:12 pm Nice win Cayvie, and Fatmo. Ya'll out played me pretty good.
I feel like this was a pretty middling performance on my end lol. Even tho my gut SR on Cayvie ended up true, I kept letting other things take precedence. DDL, and Carot, were both bad pushes that I take more of the responsiblity for. DDL in my defense had some incriminating night actions visiting the kill, then the burn victim. That was unlucky.
I was impressed by how quickly PSI adapted into this game when she's probably the least experienced starmen.netter. She really is a natural imo. (Also had some good reads to boot)
I was really happy that my gut read on Cassowary ended up being correct. Its a shame we didnt come together on Fatmo, or Cayvie, in the endgame.
DoV, Sorry the game didnt treat you favorably this time. Mafia isnt alwas a very new player freindly game unfortently. Sorry i didnt see you for the townie you were. D:
what a quirky roleDragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:40 pmAccording to dvc spoilers it prevented the person who drank it from being roleblocked.
thank youCarotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:23 pm hmn i think i put the wrong link so https://discord.gg/MM9Y7t
yeah it was the one part of our setup spec that was actually correct, that yue would be a backup.cassowary wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:18 pm LMAO RIP chardonnay's + my collective decision making skills
was a really good time though. well played you guys
yeah! how did you know / why did you not nk me lol
is it just a guess based on flavor? bc it makes sense tbh
i straight up forgot the mod kills counted at the end of the day and didn't send in another pm to save jack bc i'm an idiot lol
we could try to force fatmo to hammer dov and see how he reactschardonnay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:23 amthe intensity of my Fatmo TR has dropped considerably tbh. I think i still like Dov, or Cayvie more for scum. But like, I dont think there no chance Fatmo is scum.cassowary wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:03 amPedit: yeah the 1v1 scenario is the only way I can think that Cayvie/dov really works with these nightkills, but it's quite a while for them to expect to go without getting caught. Your intense townread on fatmo is giving me pause, but I'm leaning towards the "fatmo is scum and they didn't think this through" hypothesis at this point I think.
i mean i'm basically 99% on dov/fatmo at this point. i'm curious why you're leaning toward fatmo as final vote, but have your vote on dov rn? it looked like you waited until i took my vote off dov to put one on him as well. im curious about that thought process.cassowary wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:03 amI... kind of do? I want to trust you, and I'm leaning towards Fatmo as final vote, but I don't think this logic totally checks out. But it would be pretty easy for you guys to claim fatmo's results were an attempt by scum to frame you. Like by the time fatmo was a claimed tracker who could get a result we were at, what, kilo-1? Getting pretty close to the end of the game there, perfect time for weird mafia gambits, is what scum!you would say to tracker results (maybe).
Otoh I think there are probably more scenarios where fatmo makes sense as scum. I think they've probably mostly just been telling the truth about everything, with the thought that there's no sense in spinning a web of lies. (I mean, they'd be lying about visiting dov in that case, but it would look very weird not to have visited dov.)
Pedit: yeah the 1v1 scenario is the only way I can think that Cayvie/dov really works with these nightkills, but it's quite a while for them to expect to go without getting caught. Your intense townread on fatmo is giving me pause, but I'm leaning towards the "fatmo is scum and they didn't think this through" hypothesis at this point I think.
well i assume a doc would be mafia because a town doc would have claimed, and someone stopped the burns. i guess it could be a mafia backup too, who took nutella's role.chardonnay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:09 amtheir aren't any alignment specific roles tho, so mafia wouldnt get a dedicated mafia doc. And i doubt there are two docs with that'd be OP if they both randed town.cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:19 pm i think it's my turn. ultimately i just don't see a world where dov is town. [VOTE: dov] aubergine
this probably means it's gonna be me/fatmo/cass tomorrow. tho maybe there's still a doctor out there, so that might shake things up? afaik we still don't know why char didn't die from the burns
like at this point the only world i see where dov is town is one where char is mafia and burned himself twice, and, honestly, im almost okay losing to that. i guess that would make either him or cass a mafia doctor?
do you have any good points for why its DoVxFatmo?
I understand that its them together, or me, and im less likely scum by comparison. But from my PoV idk if you're town. Can you help me see it?
where you atmoFatmo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:32 pm I tracked Cay and they went nowhere.
Bleh, I never get to catch anyone.
I'm leaning towards voting Dov. I'll try to look a bit more into them later tonight or sometime before the deadline if I can. It's F5 so I should at least try to do that, and there's time. Not voting yet because hammer. But that's where I'm thinking.
ehhhhh gross.Fatmo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:32 pm I tracked Cay and they went nowhere.
Bleh, I never get to catch anyone.
I'm leaning towards voting Dov. I'll try to look a bit more into them later tonight or sometime before the deadline if I can. It's F5 so I should at least try to do that, and there's time. Not voting yet because hammer. But that's where I'm thinking.
yeah actually i would be fine with char just picking an order if he wantscassowary wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:23 pm yeah, I think that makes sense esp since as you pointed out we actually need 2/3 to hammer which i did forget
i bet chard would want to swap you and fatmo in the list tho
@chardonnay, what's informing your fatmo read? are you still townreading fatmo over cayvie? can't decide tbh :/
@Fatmo, do you have a track result?
i doubt anyone will take issue with putting dov first on the list though, so @dov you should go ahead and vote for someone
ah yeah this is why i ruled out fatmo/cass, because what is scum!fatmo's plan in that world. it relies on char's read on fatmo being correct.cayvie wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:09 amah yeah if you think scum!fatmo would be afraid to thunderdome you, then that means that the plan would have been to thunderdome cass, since he knew you two were the two water tribe people left.chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:57 pmidk what optimal phscologicy for town tracker is as some go after most scummy players, others go after players they think would preform the kill as mafia instead of explicitly scum reading them.cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:36 pmdo these seem like reasonable track targets? was wilgy a suspect n2? like i mean i guess those first 2 targets were the 2 targets of our confirmed cop so i guess investigators think alike. does cass make sense as a n3 target?Fatmo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:31 am Oh, we're mass claiming.
I'm June from the Fire Nation. I'm a tracker.
I tracked Long Con N1. He didn't go anywhere.
Tracked Wiggly N2. He didn't go anywhere.
I tracked Cass N3, and I got no result. I'm pretty sure this means they are Water Nation so my track doesn't work there because I'm fire.
First two nights I was going for two people me and the thread in general didn't seem to know what to make of. Cass was because a lot of people had suspected them earlier but that seemed to be kind of dying down from what I gathered. And maybe scum would have sent him to kill if they thought he was starting to be more village read.
So we know Long Con didn't do the kill N1, Wiggly didn't do it N2 (unless I was roleblocked those nights), and that Cass is likely Water Nation.
@fatmo what was your result last night? why did you target cass n3?
easiest way is to ask for Fatmo's justification.
which they've yet to check in today it seems. :/
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I outted being water tribe at day 4 start when i mentioned getting burned.
would scum!fatmo go in on a plan of thunderdoming cass?
oh, i think this means that fatmo/cass isn't the team. hell yes, we're getting somewhere.
you mean when i'm a wolf? i usually try to win as soon as possible. this is probably the best recent example of me winning as wolf.chardonnay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:02 ami can try and look into this too
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@cayvie In endgame senerios do you pull youre buddies closer, or distance yourself from them?
If you have previous examples from other games that would be appreciated.
i'm with you there, i think. like that play would just be *so* daring for your first time on a new forum etccassowary wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:32 pm legit if it turns out chard is scum and is leading me on with this towntell business i'll be... well, i'll be vaguely upset for like 2 seconds
but also i don't think chard being scum makes sense with this whole burn thing barring some extremely weird shenanigans so i feel p confident trusting him
i mean i think it has to be dov/fatmo??
do you think the team is me and chardonnay?dov wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:34 pm i'm hardlining chardonnay or cayvie right now. i never saw a real objective in voting carrot. i don't think I would've defended against the decision if I was scum, I wanted cayvie chopped and I think this should further my point
i'm voting cayvie once again unless something switches up all of a sudden
if it's not you, and i die here, remember that there's a possibility of an untrackable water tribe person (cass) leaving fatmo alive as bait to be chopped.dov wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:29 pmif fatmo is truly mafia, he might just be doing this for my vote to secure somewhere else, but we can assume that fatmo will be next target on the basis of him being tracker in late game. if there are 2 scum left (him being one), then he'll be using this strat to make me seem suspicious by defending me through his tracking, enabling the other mafia with a win. if fatmo doesn't get targeted, it's safest to assume he's mafia. if anyone else has something to say to kind of persuade me to change my vote before day ends, please go ahead.
yeah thischardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:27 am Probably same for me. :/
i should revalute things rn, but im not feeling v motivated.
DDL visiting both N1 kill target, and N2 burn target was some major bad luck. I just didn't think it would be a coincidence town would happen to have done.
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What are others thoughts for tomarrow?
shit okay. have a good day at work.chardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:28 am I have to go into work in like 5 minites, so that how long i have to make a descion. I wont be here for EoD![]()
are you talking d2 or d3? fatmo's d3 vote was after the thunderdome. kinda speaks to a fatmo/dov team if fatmo is wolf imo. makes fatmo/carotte less likely.chardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:08 am Yeah i guess it isn't out of the question.
how do you feel about fatmo's maintaining the wagon on Marcher when they could've lurked out, or shopped elsewhere? I think that it was at a point where the wagon wasnt set yet. I may have to double check
have to go back and look at thatchardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:08 am Yeah i guess it isn't out of the question.
how do you feel about fatmo's maintaining the wagon on Marcher when they could've lurked out, or shopped elsewhere? I think that it was at a point where the wagon wasnt set yet. I may have to double check
ah yeah if you think scum!fatmo would be afraid to thunderdome you, then that means that the plan would have been to thunderdome cass, since he knew you two were the two water tribe people left.chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:57 pmidk what optimal phscologicy for town tracker is as some go after most scummy players, others go after players they think would preform the kill as mafia instead of explicitly scum reading them.cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:36 pmdo these seem like reasonable track targets? was wilgy a suspect n2? like i mean i guess those first 2 targets were the 2 targets of our confirmed cop so i guess investigators think alike. does cass make sense as a n3 target?Fatmo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:31 am Oh, we're mass claiming.
I'm June from the Fire Nation. I'm a tracker.
I tracked Long Con N1. He didn't go anywhere.
Tracked Wiggly N2. He didn't go anywhere.
I tracked Cass N3, and I got no result. I'm pretty sure this means they are Water Nation so my track doesn't work there because I'm fire.
First two nights I was going for two people me and the thread in general didn't seem to know what to make of. Cass was because a lot of people had suspected them earlier but that seemed to be kind of dying down from what I gathered. And maybe scum would have sent him to kill if they thought he was starting to be more village read.
So we know Long Con didn't do the kill N1, Wiggly didn't do it N2 (unless I was roleblocked those nights), and that Cass is likely Water Nation.
@fatmo what was your result last night? why did you target cass n3?
easiest way is to ask for Fatmo's justification.
which they've yet to check in today it seems. :/
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I outted being water tribe at day 4 start when i mentioned getting burned.
the one game i played with marcher, we were mafia with wilgy and long con was town. we were very worried about long con all game, and rightly so, he had big mechanical strats going on. we bussed mj the day after i subbed in but i do know marcher has at least played with both those people before. and wilgy has seen their mafia game. so it's not out of the question.chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:58 pm I guess i could see scum tracker making those picks if Fatmo was w/ scum players wary of experienced, but aloof, town LC and Wigly.
Would matcher be wary of those guys?
tho the claims happened after fatmo says he knew cass was water tribe from his result.chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:42 pm I would be surprized if Mafia!Fatmo has the nerve to SR me lol. B/c that push would be super transparent.
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Fatmo cliamed after you, DDL, DoV, Carotte.
But before Cassowary.
chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:06 pm Replace in the example Vig for "burner", and that means that there's no way that they could've burned me last night since in water tribe. Thus that means that Burning is factional.
i mean it doesn't tho because there's water tribe people around and he can be like "they didn't need to kill me, they left me alive bc they knew they were safe from my track"chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:33 pmCayvie... if fatmo was mafia, and was not in any hot water... then why would they cliam anything other then VT?cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:29 pmi... would appreciate some other eyes on this exchange. i'm starting to feel like you're not engaging in good faith here, cass.
like, i hadn't put it together that you or fatmo is probably maf when i thought dov/carot was the most likely team. so no, right now, i don't think dov/carot is the team, because that team does not leave fatmo alive.
unless they really thought long con had to go? he was gunning for dov pretty hard. idk. i don't think it's them.
i think fatmo/dov makes sense. they would kill long con for being onto the whole "mj busing a partner" business.
who did fatmo say he tracked again
b/c claiming Tracker means that going into a lylo situation as unkilled claimed PR is going to look super bad
do these seem like reasonable track targets? was wilgy a suspect n2? like i mean i guess those first 2 targets were the 2 targets of our confirmed cop so i guess investigators think alike. does cass make sense as a n3 target?Fatmo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:31 am Oh, we're mass claiming.
I'm June from the Fire Nation. I'm a tracker.
I tracked Long Con N1. He didn't go anywhere.
Tracked Wiggly N2. He didn't go anywhere.
I tracked Cass N3, and I got no result. I'm pretty sure this means they are Water Nation so my track doesn't work there because I'm fire.
First two nights I was going for two people me and the thread in general didn't seem to know what to make of. Cass was because a lot of people had suspected them earlier but that seemed to be kind of dying down from what I gathered. And maybe scum would have sent him to kill if they thought he was starting to be more village read.
So we know Long Con didn't do the kill N1, Wiggly didn't do it N2 (unless I was roleblocked those nights), and that Cass is likely Water Nation.
i... would appreciate some other eyes on this exchange. i'm starting to feel like you're not engaging in good faith here, cass.
i feel like getting caught is such a big risk tho.cassowary wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:47 pmTo clarify here, had mafia killed off Fatmo, they'd essentially narrow the mafia pool down to you, Carot, and dov, where 2/3 of those were mafia. Bad odds. Fatmo isn't remotely cleared by this of course, but I don't think killing LC means as much as you're making it out to mean.