The Syndicate

[VOTE: NANOOK] aubergine

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] I agree to end day early.

bronana wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:20 pm I can also go into behavioral reasons why Lissa is a wolf if you want, but she is mechanically outed afaict.

- expressed super high confidence in marcher being a wolf, but if you look at her iso she actually barely pushed him and was nudging and voting towards other candidates

- soft defenses of pmuch all wolves and potential wolves, including marcher until I slammed on them n1

- EODs are consistently limp and weak

- her eod yesterday is something I refuse to believe comes from village lissa, it is terrible and completely out of character

also this is just.... wrong?

i pushed marcher consistently from n1 until they died

i was wrong on marcher and wilgy d1 but i turned around after that

i have no idea what is wrong with my eods bar yesterdays, which was pretty awful and regrettable but it is what it is

i am a villager so i dunno what to tell you zack

i cannot imagine the stat boosts from your role just show in that manner, seems gamebreaking. have to imagine long con got the extra hope in some other manner, someone else's hope i guess probably. seems bizarre but idk where else it could be from really

not really getting anywhere further tonight, going to bed

sorry was pretty fried post semi revealaments, will be more productive tomorrow.

bronana wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:31 am

Lissa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:00 pm i protect my target's presence/quickness from negative effects that night

i started with enough glory to act, don't really think it is a good idea to claim other stats

This is a bizarrely specific role

is there any evidence at all that there are actions that would negative effect presence or quickness?

technically tony but that seems ridiculous as the extent of it and i have to imagine a non village one exists

otherwise this would be dumb, seems extremely niche anyway

motobot doing things with his sol + i guess based on dunya's reaction he seems to be claiming to have acquired a na that way? i have to wonder if is like, coached

coached is not quite the word really, just like

idk half the damn game seemed like they spent ages not paying much attn to mechs and

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:13 pm I checked bronana because I was asked to check between bronana and lissa and I thought the mafia would expect me to target Lissa. That I was allowed to land makes me feel good about Lissa too. I think this makes nutella a very likely mafia.

no idea how the nutella thing follows here though?

bronana wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:26 am trying to find the right way to ask this

how many of those are your personal tracking versus like ... your confirmed stats at that time?

only confirmed were original, after nutella thing, and after anointing

rest is personal tracking

bronana wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:21 am why did you buy hope?

thought it was a good thing to buy some of since it's cost efficient/very good value relative to the stat boost it provides if i die, especially after marcher flipped when i feel like it would have been fairly reasonable to kill me

bronana wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:15 am Can you make a reads list for me Lissa?

still think you're a villager, think long con is just a villager, think nanook prob v

nutella probably a villager but not as strongly i guess

i don't even fucking know what to do with moth anymore

i think cayvie probably is a neutral

so i guess that leaves mac/moto which. makes a lot of sense

i was assuming three more wolves but i guess two and a neut makes sense

if there is a third it might be nutella i guess? that team feels off but i don't remember why

maybe it is moth but i... yeah don't fucking know what to do with him he has played so openly clearly suboptimally how is it real but

why the earthly fuck would zack be the check over me in that pool after that

that's a real

sorry for my total fuckin mess that was yesterday eod

convinced myself there had to be another wolf tamper/block of some sort and somehow talked myself into dunya making the most sense and couldn't make myself go through with yeeting a seer claim the day after their correct red peek :/

sup

my base stats were
P = 0.8
Q = 0.7
G = 1.1
H = 0.5

d2 i bought +0.2 presence and +0.1 hope
P = 1.0
Q = 0.7
G = 1.1
H = 0.6

n3 i bought +0.3 presence and +0.2 hope
P = 1.3
Q = 0.7
G = 1.1
H = 0.8

after n3 i got +0.1 to all from presumably nutella
P = 1.4
Q = 0.8
G = 1.2
H = 0.9
(note i didn't actually check in between this and base stats so i think some of this could have come from somewhere else technically? but it lines up with what nutella said so.)

after n5 my glory was halved
P = 1.4
Q = 0.8
G = 0.6
H = 0.9

yesterday i bought +0.4 glory
P = 1.4
Q = 0.8
G = 1.0
H = 0.9

and i got anointed yesterday which put me up to
P = 1.7
Q = 1.1
G = 1.2
H = 1.2

i was planning to back someone up but then visor died right before i got enough and that kind of delayed that plan rip

welp

fuck me

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:08 pm Last chance Lissa. What do we do???

i

think i want to stay??

this is a bizarre eod

yeah this vc is

a fuckin mess

fuck it

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

wheee it's kind of hard to go through with the idea of yeeting dunya too uh

god

bleh

kind of hard to yeet a claimed cop who literally claimed a correct red peek yesterday too

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:49 pm Or the other way around, where Joseph is down and carrot is not.

yeah fair point i suppose

zacks stuff re: long con being a villager makes sense

though i'm kinda concerned about dunya actually

they're certainly not w/w

dunya/mac w/w where mac faked the rb and dunya had a second rb on carote actually

probably makes sense hm

i feel like wolves have to have more blocking power with what we've seen and it feels like village has a lot of stop-y powers already idk

moth actually would kind of make a lot of sense as a wolf rolecop version the way he's played it tbh

send peeks to other wolves while pretending you didn't pay enough attention to buy glory, then send to a villager to confirm the role

kind of a neat wolf role if so

mmh

i agree with nanook, i don't really want to burn a day right now on someone i think probably actually is a neutral?

i have no idea what the fuck i just read

i'm going to go to bed

bronana wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:27 am neither of the flipped wolves pushed motobot at all that i recall

seems correct

which seems kind of weird if he is not a wolf?

bronana wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:27 am outed wolf was the biggest pusher of motobot, and was open to mac still being a wolf (and also pushed him pre-claim)

think i'm just at mac + moto, i dont care about his role

idk if there even is a third wolf, and if there is i'm not going to pretend I have any idea who it is

suppose that might explain the sheer ??? i have developed into feeling today

the role as clarified is not ridiculously busted as a wolf like i thought it would be in the original way it is conveyed, its a bit weird in usage if he is a wolf but meh

bronana wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:24 pm Long cons inventory wasn't smashed until n4 though

There were two claimed cops alive!

ya it was pretty weird

bronana wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:16 pm

bronana wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:16 pm If cayvie and Mac is a legit copI have no idea why she would smash long con's inventory first

Shroop

*If cayvie is a wolf and Mac is town cop

idk.

if long con is a villager and cayvie is a wolf wolves may have been freaked out by his eod posting i guess

i don't think i actually disagree with the underlying point about mac and i don't really disbelieve that cayvie is a neutral so idk where i am going with this but meh

bronana wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:16 pm If cayvie and Mac is a legit copI have no idea why she would smash long con's inventory first

sorry is this missing words

i feel like it makes sense for wolves to have more blocking power some way or another but

mmh

bronana wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:11 pm look, mac was targeted by wilgy n3 (pre-claim) with an ability i imagine is almost always going towards wolves

claims cop with a correct red check, still alive for some reason

feel like in most games that would be enough to get him yeeted into the sun? especially when, if you ignore the claim, his posts this game are extremely wolfy and marcher's interactions/mentions of him look w/w

i still have no idea why he spent however fucking long just blindly tunneling me either

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:11 pm

Lissa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:02 pm or honestly a neutral could have some targeting fuckery built in pretty easily i feel like that would make a lot of sense actually?

yeah but wouldn't it be specified in their role description? cayvie said not knowing why they were untargettable

i mean

she could just be like... lying

she's not a villager

i'm. pretty hesitant about the theory that both 1. cayvie was untargetable last night and 2. that makes her a wolf

idk. feel like with multiple doctors etc. and possibly multiple cops flying around there should actually be more wolf blocking/tampering than that?

maybe makes more sense if mac is just a wolf and carote was normally blocked idk, but cop = obvious block target

or honestly a neutral could have some targeting fuckery built in pretty easily i feel like that would make a lot of sense actually?

huh i got +0.1 to all of them

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:37 pm

bronana wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:35 pmLooks good for nutella too

With the stat boost from nutella's power, it becomes harder to believe she's scum... how could she resist giving her scum buddies boosts?

Who did nutella target each day? How many of them have we flipped?

bronana
long con
lissa
carotenoid
nanook

i believe is the list

ye, i just got the +0.1 to each so

huh. that is... not the same boost as I got from nutella

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:38 pm Doubt we get an answer either way lolol

yeah lol

i doubt it's all tho, that seems rather silly

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:36 pm

Lissa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:35 pm i don't really think she implied stealing all of the hope? not sure

that'd be more than a bit silly, i figured it was limited

Maybe? It read like she was saying all of it to me, idk

it reads like some kind of partial/limited thing to me but

idk

i don't really think she implied stealing all of the hope? not sure

that'd be more than a bit silly, i figured it was limited

bronana wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:03 pm if long con and mac really are both wolves, I'm very confused why I never died this game with how right that would make me and both doctors dead?

I was partially bluffing / seeing how outed wolf would react last night, but I also was legitimately wondering if he was a wolf and that was why I'd been left alive. But then he was a villager, who's been swirling around the POE but I've mostly townread for awhile, so ???

I read a bit of Lissa's iso earlier and it just seemed obviously not a wolf to me

I dunno, maybe they deemed my role not a threat or thought I was likely to have bought a self-protection talisman or something

feel like the kills in the latter part of the game have seemed at least some significant part either rolehunt/role-related or self-protect potential dodge or both

the clarified motobot role seems much less weird/more likely to be a villager, ya

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:01 pm

Lissa wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:06 pm

outed wolf wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:04 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:44 pm I can redirect negative actions to a player of my choice

i can redirect a player

n2 macdougall to himself
n3 motobot to tsp
n4 lissa to nanook

this is... funny

i'll tell you why later

but jesus christ that's a lot of redirection claims

this is the post i townread lissa off btw.

"ill tell you why later" ot seems like such a townie thing to me in this context of seeing the redirects.

so i would lynch lissa last between LC and Mac.

the answer to why this was funny btw was that i already targeted nanook n4

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:35 pm oh, that's a good catch, nutella. weird to me LC can use the sols he mines on himself if self-targeting isn't allowed?

passive doesn't typically involve a target no?

it didn't really sound like he was saying any targeting was involved

granted i'm also not used to passive stuff being blockable, but

i protect my target's presence/quickness from negative effects that night

i started with enough glory to act, don't really think it is a good idea to claim other stats

i'm definitely like

struggling to find 3 wolves staring at the list of live players

bronana wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:41 pm

Lissa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:12 pm i'm like

yeah i don't... think that's a village role? that's so weird. is that like, at eod or instant

i kind of agree but he used all that presence to vote ... a wolf every day?

@dunya can you say which character in the game it is?

yeah it doesn't really make sense for him to be a wolf either

plus that role would be super busted as a wolf role yeah?

seems pretty busted as any non village role really, it's like... isn't it literally unyeetable unless someone voting him is protected from its effects? if i understand it

unless he has like a negative base quickness and/or presence or something which seems bizarre

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:37 pm please everyone, ignore moth if it's in regards to me. provoking him more just makes me feel worse.

will do, sorry

hope things are ok with your dad