The Syndicate

Coooo! (Nice. So mass roleblock should definitely be used tonight right?)

COOO! (Okosan doesn't even know what to do because he really doesn't like how the two wagons only have 3 votes each)

COO! COO! (Especially with the votes being even more split than yesterday)

Coooooo! (Also Okosan's not sure if he likes having the votes close this second time around tbh. There's a much higher chance that mafia is influencing it this time, and it's not like we're going to get any info out of a tie situation)

Cooo! (Btw anyone else notice Rej wasn't even voting anyone yesterday? )

Coooo! (A tie today is pretty worthless Okosan feels. There's a lot more vote power changes sitting around today that Monokuma having 0 vote power isn't going to mean much)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:07 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:00 pm Coooooooo! (Like, if Okosan is correct in what happened is Monokuma didn't want to be in the main wagons due to how close they were it makes a lot of sense for it to be Sloonei is the thing. If you look at their posts, they say they are voting Epi right before they do the random switch to JackOfHearts when the wagons are actually close. Now maybe that isn't the case because Okosan can't actually see the vote history or anything, but assuming they didn't switch without announcing it before Sloonei is following the scenario exactly)

I would not make myself that easy to catch.

COO! (Oh well now that you put it that way Okosan believes you )

Cooo! (Question who was on what wagon yesterday again? Specifically the main ones but if there's a way to see the other ones that's cool too)

Coooooooo! (Like, if Okosan is correct in what happened is Monokuma didn't want to be in the main wagons due to how close they were it makes a lot of sense for it to be Sloonei is the thing. If you look at their posts, they say they are voting Epi right before they do the random switch to JackOfHearts when the wagons are actually close. Now maybe that isn't the case because Okosan can't actually see the vote history or anything, but assuming they didn't switch without announcing it before Sloonei is following the scenario exactly)

Cooo... (Guys. Is it really that hard to accept that Okosan is a sentient bird from the future? Jeez)

COOO! (Yeah. He didn't say he retracted the voting for you part. Okosan said he retracted the, "if he was scum he would just vote DDL" part. Anyays Okosan's home now so he can actually read through the thread easier now)

Cooooooo? (Lol as Okosan said he retracted the not voting for DDL part. Okosan thought he had la bunch of votes)

Cooooo? Coo! (Thanks for the sus though. If Okosan got too towny there he would've gotten night killed and lost)

Coo? (Lol Okosan already retracted the last thing he said)

Coo? (Oh wait fair enough the last point Okodan made doesnt count. He thought way more people wanted DDL than 3)

Cooo? (Furthurmore Ted if Okosan was scum why wouldn't he just find a reason to jump on DDL? Yes it's so much better to go against the grain of what, in this scenario, is almost entirely town)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:12 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:11 pm day one : okosan thinks monokuma is gonna hop on / start a bandwagon / sheep people's votes on wagons (epi's vote)

day two : okosan thinks we should not pay attention to the biggest wagons

That reads more like a progression of thoughts than a goof.

It's a direct contradiction, not a progression. It's a full 180.

Coo? (Imahine thinking the things Okosan said are mutually exclusive. Yes Okosan thinks they would probably want to try to get on a large bandwagon if at all possible. But if you read Okosan's multi paragraph thoughts post he discusses a second option where the votes look more like yesterday abd it's extremely split. In that case Monokuma being in the vote is extremely iffy as narrows down who it can be. In that case being off in the middle of nowhere like Sloonei was is more beneficial)

Cooooooo? (Finally, Okosan doesn't see why these are mutally exclusive. Okosan doesn't know if this is the case because Okosan is out on mobile at the moment, but is it not possible people could start out hoping to get a big wagon and then pivot when they see it isn't happen?)

Coooooo! (Lol imagine thinking Okosan goofed)

Coo! (Oh hmm Okosan missed the part where Okosan said that Sloonei probably isn't Monokuma. If that's the case he still feels we should be looking at people outside the vote. Sloonei just seemed the most sus with that weird late vote)

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:51 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:32 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:28 pm It doesn't work. It assumes the bear believed you. Sloonei almost never believes you, no matter what the message says. Simple as that.

The bear seemed to believe me.

I said “Recruit *character name* ” and Monokuma said he wouldn’t recruit me yet.

So maybe I’m a sucker but if the bear believed me, Sloonei isn’t the bear.

COOO! (Btw if anyone ever tells Monokuma their character name they 100% will never be recruited unless it's a really good role for him to have. It's infinitely better just to keep you alive and soup kill you in the future)

Interesting take. It’s wrong: if I were the bear and could 100 percent guarantee that Jack were telling the truth (easy, just ask for role secret), I’d always recruit him. Efficient? Probably not, but I don’t think the soup kill is anything other than an end of game tool and a protection against mass claims.

Cooo! (Why not leave Jack alone in that case? Monokuma will always be able to recruit someone every night so it's not like he's desperate for it. Okosan doesn't think he really particularly care which people he gets, and it allows Monokuma to just throw Jack on the Soup kill pile if he ever needs to end the game faster)

COOOOO! (Furthermore if Jack stays alive it starts to look more and more sus to everyone and can very easily lead to a mislynch)

Coooooo! (Also for whoever mentioned it Okosan can hire a translator in specific circumstances where he needs to speak English. Wouldn't want you to clear Okosan unnecessarily )

COO! (So Okosan's thoughts. If we're still looking for Monokuma then Okosan feels we should be looking outside of the two wagons yesterday entirely. Monokuma ideally would want to blend and hide their vote so that we don't get any info based of that. If that's what Monokuma is trying to do they have two options. Option 1 involves what Okosna thinks happened where they vote for someone completely worthless. This would be the case if there's going to be a tie or it's going to be close like it was yesterday. Option two is to just bandwagon on a vote that's really far ahead. Aka not what happened yesterday.)

Cooooooooo! (Following this logic Sloonei's vote yesterday looks really bad. At the end of the day when it was essentially decided that either Epi or Dom was getting lynched, they all of a sudden threw their vote on JackOfHearts for no real reason. So this is where Okosan is sussing atm.)

Cooo? (If we're going for people who got converted there's not much that we can really do unless people out results they've gotten (such as who was roleblocked and whatnot) but we can't really do that because Monokuma will just kill us all. So unless MacDougal suspected anyone in particular that's nearly impossible to find right now. If there's two maf the second one might not want to lynch the first one, but that's about all we've got)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:32 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:28 pm It doesn't work. It assumes the bear believed you. Sloonei almost never believes you, no matter what the message says. Simple as that.

The bear seemed to believe me.

I said “Recruit *character name* ” and Monokuma said he wouldn’t recruit me yet.

So maybe I’m a sucker but if the bear believed me, Sloonei isn’t the bear.

COOO! (Btw if anyone ever tells Monokuma their character name they 100% will never be recruited unless it's a really good role for him to have. It's infinitely better just to keep you alive and soup kill you in the future)

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:02 pm Also i noticed this part in the setup which might be another reason to why the mafia wouldn't message monokuma

The most recent recruited player will know who else was recruited before them.

Cooooo! (Yes but the previous people wouldn't know the later ones. Aka the first player converted won't know the second palyer converted unless they learn via a btsc ability or Monokuma told them. But none of this matters anymore Okosan thinks since the rules now say that Monokuma is not allowed to help anyone graduate. Which would presumably involve helping mafia by telling them who is on their team)

Coooooo! (The only thing that doesn't clear the Epi voters as not Monokuma is if anyone on those wagons had weird voting power, which they probably shouldn't claim)

Cooooo! (Also lol Okosan just noticed the host is in the poll. Is that a normal thing here?)

Cooo! (Okosan means you're throwing away your vote if you don't pick Epi or Dom at this point)

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:18 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:16 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:14 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:13 pm COOO! (There's no reason the bear would want to kill the mafia he makes)

He is on a different team then the mafia to my understanding so why not kill them

Coooo! (He's literally MAKING the mafia. Actually why would he be on a different team? Unless you think he just needs to live until the end or something)

Why else would he have a god dam soup kill that could kill the entire game in one night. What i think is that he wants the minimum amount of people alive at the end of the game.

COO! (To prevent town from mass claiming day one and lynching him. He probably doesn't die just gets mega screwed if he's lynched)

Coooooooooo! (It just makes so little sense that Monokuma's whole thing would be making mafia every day and that it would also be beneficial to kill them and not make more)

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:14 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:13 pm COOO! (There's no reason the bear would want to kill the mafia he makes)

He is on a different team then the mafia to my understanding so why not kill them

Coooo! (He's literally MAKING the mafia. Actually why would he be on a different team? Unless you think he just needs to live until the end or something)

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:12 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:10 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:09 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:06 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:04 pm Cooooooo! (Yeah that's actually one thing Okosan was confused about via the rules. There's nothing stopping all the mafia learning each other's identities right? Monokuma can just message every mafia they create with the entire list effectively ruining this rule: "-The most recent recruited player will know who else was recruited before them.")

NO THATS WRONG
(sorry i had to)

Monokuma Converts Roles
and Talks to players he doesn't know the mafia and can't do that only the mafia could talk to monokuma not the opposite

COOO! (But what's stopping the newly converted player from pm-ing Monokuma, telling the bear their role, and then Monokuma giving them the mafia list?)

The Soup Kill you need to live at the end of the game to win if you told monokuma your role that is suicide and you will lose the game.

Coooooooo! (No Okosan means this:
- Monokuma recruits Okosan by recruiting role A
- Okosan pm's the bear saying, "Hey! You recruited Okosan as Role A last night! Who's the other mafia team?"
- Monokuma PMs back, "Oh it's x, y, and z")

COOO! (Anyways seriously everyone replicate part two of this step every single night by picking a random role and claiming it to Monokuma. If literally anyone picks the actual role he recruited Monokuma can't know who to trust at that point unless something in his secrets helps him out there)

Cooooooooo! (Stop clearing Okosan he is obviously Monokuma okay? Jeez)

COOO! (There's no reason the bear would want to kill the mafia he makes)

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:10 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:09 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:06 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:04 pm Cooooooo! (Yeah that's actually one thing Okosan was confused about via the rules. There's nothing stopping all the mafia learning each other's identities right? Monokuma can just message every mafia they create with the entire list effectively ruining this rule: "-The most recent recruited player will know who else was recruited before them.")

NO THATS WRONG
(sorry i had to)

Monokuma Converts Roles
and Talks to players he doesn't know the mafia and can't do that only the mafia could talk to monokuma not the opposite

COOO! (But what's stopping the newly converted player from pm-ing Monokuma, telling the bear their role, and then Monokuma giving them the mafia list?)

The Soup Kill you need to live at the end of the game to win if you told monokuma your role that is suicide and you will lose the game.

Coooooooo! (No Okosan means this:
- Monokuma recruits Okosan by recruiting role A
- Okosan pm's the bear saying, "Hey! You recruited Okosan as Role A last night! Who's the other mafia team?"
- Monokuma PMs back, "Oh it's x, y, and z")

Coooooooo! (Alright everybody new goal! Every single night we all got to pm the bear acting our absolute best like we were converted. Claim a role (your pick) of which you think he converted and do your best to confuse him so Monokuma can't help his mafia team)

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:06 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:04 pm Cooooooo! (Yeah that's actually one thing Okosan was confused about via the rules. There's nothing stopping all the mafia learning each other's identities right? Monokuma can just message every mafia they create with the entire list effectively ruining this rule: "-The most recent recruited player will know who else was recruited before them.")

NO THATS WRONG
(sorry i had to)

Monokuma Converts Roles
and Talks to players he doesn't know the mafia and can't do that only the mafia could talk to monokuma not the opposite

COOO! (But what's stopping the newly converted player from pm-ing Monokuma, telling the bear their role, and then Monokuma giving them the mafia list?)

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:59 pm y'all are really shitty at reading me and many of you are very confident in your abilities.

i'm embarrassed for you.

Coo! (Okosan is just more alright with your lynch than Epi's at the moment. Plus your content has been pretty lacking so far except for right before the day ends which is interesting.)

Cooooooo! (Yeah that's actually one thing Okosan was confused about via the rules. There's nothing stopping all the mafia learning each other's identities right? Monokuma can just message every mafia they create with the entire list effectively ruining this rule: "-The most recent recruited player will know who else was recruited before them.")

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:57 pm Dom vs Epi is pretty good. Now we’ll see if the mafia tries to save one of them.

Coooooo! (Well theoretically there should only be one mafia (Monokuma) right now. But year fair there might be two)

Coo! (Especially since you guys don't really want to go for the people Okosan susses at the moment)

Coooooo! (So Okosan read through what Dom said real quick and yeah Okosan can get behind a Dom lynch for today. Okosan still has other susses he'd like to look more into for the future, but this is a fine D1)

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:56 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:18 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:01 pm So based off how normal games go (Someone correct me if i am wrong)
we will know if this voting causes a Tie and there for would be randomized if that is correct i think the best course of action is to keep a tie (of two votes possible) this should tell us either a voter if Monokuma due to no tie or (with the current wagons) could tell us turnip is Leon.

Coooo! (Ew this feels bad that Okosan literally said mentioning we should do a tie makes someone less likely to be Monokuma and that you start pushing it super hard now)

COO! COO! (In case you didn't read what Okosan said making a tie is bad because it gives info to Monokuma for no reason. And read the Monokuma rold it says Monokuma can't vote if FOUND. Therefore he can still vote and have his vote count right now as far as Okosan knows)

I mentioned this immediately after talking today this isn't something i am just now pushing

Also unless am mistaken yes he currently votes but his vote is Zero. so in the case of a tie would mean that it seems as if he voted but that vote doesn't actually effect stuff in the end.

And i might have seen your post but didn't really remember it per say after saying that very distracted as the stage play am watching isn't translated and gotta focus to understand what is actually happening but is very good so far.

Coo! Coooo! (No it's not something you're just now pushing or bringing up, but up until now you've only been toying with the idea of it. Then immediately after Okosan says that's more townish you finally decide, "yep that's what we should do today," as opposed to, "maybe this is what we should do")

Cooo? (That could very easily be you feeling out the thread to see if you can get something to help you as Monokuma, and then going in for some hopeful town cred)

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:01 pm So based off how normal games go (Someone correct me if i am wrong)
we will know if this voting causes a Tie and there for would be randomized if that is correct i think the best course of action is to keep a tie (of two votes possible) this should tell us either a voter if Monokuma due to no tie or (with the current wagons) could tell us turnip is Leon.

Coooo! (Ew this feels bad that Okosan literally said mentioning we should do a tie makes someone less likely to be Monokuma and that you start pushing it super hard now)

COO! COO! (In case you didn't read what Okosan said making a tie is bad because it gives info to Monokuma for no reason. And read the Monokuma rold it says Monokuma can't vote if FOUND. Therefore he can still vote and have his vote count right now as far as Okosan knows)

COOOOO? (Also stop town reading Okosan or he's gonna get shot in the night )

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:54 pm I go back and forth on Oko.

Tonewise, they read town. They're on point about the mechanics, which is what I'd expect from Monokuma, though. "Helpful wolf" vibes.

I probably don't have it in me to vote them D1 anyhow.

Coo! (Hmm fair enough. Okosan tends to be very mechanic oriented so he reads through them a lot to think of potential interactions)

Cooo! Cooo! (Okosan doesn't know about you but Okosan feels like Monokuma never brings the tying idea back up once people know that it makes them look scummier and that people don't want to do it in general. Sig is more town for that to Okosan)

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:30 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:30 pm So I don't normally say lets lynch inactives, but I think it may be worth discussing.

Mainly since they're dead weight, mafia won't ever recruit someone who's not around especially in this set up and it leaves the least amount of blood on our hands.

COO! COOOOO! (Again Monokuma recruits roles not people)

Cooo! (Even if his vote is worth 0 Okosan could still see Monokuma starting a wagon to get people thinking about it as an option)