The Syndicate

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:07 am Let me use my damn vig already

COOO! COO! (Okosan means if you actually have a vig you just claimed to DDL so...

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Cooo! (Okosan's going to be honest he though someone else was hinting Chihiro already)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:03 pm Nevermind, I lied

Coo! (Got one. Lynch all liars)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:54 pm I think we can also do some tricks in order to see if some of our roles are alive, for example, some person can claim if they've had BTSC with Naegi lately, so we can see if he's still here, stuff like that. Not sure if it's necessarily productive, but, it seems like some fresh touch. I don't know if it helps with anything though.

Coooo! (Something else Okosan thought of too late on the night that should've been mass roleblocked is that Celestia should've submitted their action at the absolute last second if we trust that the Tie Breaker isn't converted as the Ultimate Moral Compass. That way there would two confirms because scum Celestia probably just never roleblocks)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:25 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:09 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:07 am I’m glad I’ve inspired you to play. I hope you can change my mind if you’re really town.

11th time, I town read the other players more than you, so, you’re just left out in the open. :P
You town read literally every player in the game more than me? And you don’t actually suspect me? And you’re accusing me of sowing paranoia for being discouraged by the recruitment mechanic?

What is happening right now? You have definitely expressed reasons for reading me a certain way. I remember them. I remember responding to them and being confused by them.
I will try to explain this one more time, and if you don’t get it, I’ll stop explaining.

I started my town hunting process. I strictly looked for town. I have managed to form a town core that I’m not looking back on.

The people that I have NO reason town reading, are you / sig / okosan / fayt

I literally found nothing that paints any of you as town, whatsoever. Therefore, you are in the PoE.

Now, it’s not that I directly suspect you. This method of hunting is the reverse of the scum hunting one. I am literally town hunting. That just leaves the people that I have no reason to town read out in the open.

That’s what I mean that I don’t have a direct suspicion on you. It’s the towniness of other people that left you out standing in the sun.

Therefore, the only way you can make me change my mind on you is if you change my mind on why the people that I’m town reading aren’t town. That’s all I ask from you. And the only way you’re avoiding the pain train that will be me tunneling you into oblivion is by doing just that. Not any other way.

I made a case on why I town read the other people. Feel free to read it and tell me where I am wrong with my town reads on people.

I mean, technically speaking, there should be close to 3 scum now? I think? So there is a possibility one of my people from the town core got converted. I’m working from outside to the inside. I’m leaving the Day 1 wolf in a PoE, which is in between you / sig / fayt / okosan, maybe there are more, who knows. And after I’m done lynching each and everyone of you until I hit scum, I will be focusing on my town reads.

COOOOO! (Lol so first you say that you're just ignoring the fact that there's a wolf Day 1, and now the 4 people you picked earlier are the only candidates for it. Nice. Even though you yourself said you haven't done any analyzing about Day 1)

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:27 am Um... I didn't do that.

Coo! (Okosan means you dropped on your vote on someone that is confirmed town now for a horrible reason, left the rest of the day, and still haven't addressed Okosan's question to you about if you had any other susses. You're easy scum)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:15 am Yes, I object to Rej.

You’ll have to go through why my town read on Rej is faulty.

I am quite content with my PoE and would like people to address it. I’d appreciate if we didn’t lynch in what i deem to be a town pool. I can’t stop you, but at the same time, it’s not like you even consider my analysis. I mean, why Rej? Instead of Sloonei / Fayt / Okosan ? I really think there’s at least one scum in that pairing. I think all my town reads are solid. Okosan’s deliberately pushing in my town pool and what do you know, we already flipped one town. Now he’s pushing Long Con, if he flips town, what’s gonna happen next?

Just lynch the people that aren’t town, that’s all there is to it. Rej is not scum.

Cooooo! (Wtf do you mean "Okosan’s deliberately pushing in my town pool and what do you know, we already flipped one town." You're phrasing this sentence as if it's Okosan's fault a town flipped but Okosan had nothing to do with that, and in fact was even town reading Jack and wanted to prevent his lynch)

COO! (Furthurmore your read on Rej is not great. Name exactly what Rej has been doing recently to scum hunt? Because all Rej has really been doing is making a small post here or there but never really pushes anything to Okosan)

Cooo! (Oh wow you're telling Okosan that the person who hard figured out DDL was town? What a surprise. Get Long Con out of here tomorrow)

Cooo! (Okoan's going to finally re-evaluate you tonight Sloonei so you better not be trying to pocket Okosan)

......Coo (Unless you're actually scum then please continue to do what you want just don't kill Okosan please)

Coo! (Okosan temporarily moved his vote to Rej)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:13 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:10 pm COO! (Okosan also personally think Sig is fine for today. As someone to keep alive not fine to lynch to clarify)
Who does okosan think should be be lynched?

Coooooo! (Honestly probably one of TSP, Rej, or Long Con. Long Con is only back on the list because Okosan really didn't like his jump on JackOfHearts)

COO! (Okosan also personally think Sig is fine for today. As someone to keep alive not fine to lynch to clarify)

Coo! (Hmm. Because the thing is while Creature's posts seem pretty scummy to Okosan, you'd think if he does sometimes flood the game that's what he'd be doing here as scum so we don't think to lynch him as quickly. Killing the lower posters/scummier people also definitely feels like a higher poster's strategy as to how to avoid sus. Because whichever starts to go lower first (higher or lower posters) will look scummier in the long run. "Why isn't this one specific person running the game not dying but everyone else who died is?" or "Why is everyone here contributing except for X?")

Cooooooo! (So that being said Okosan is alright with keeping Creature alive for today maybe)

Coooooooo? (So question to people who know them, does Creature have a tendency to not post a lot in games?)

COOO! COO! (Either way people need to actually decide on a lynch. Splitting the votes like this is a great way to ensure scum never gets lynched)

Cooo! (Yeah Okosan;s not sure how much he likes how Long Con is pushing Jack for no reason other than he found Monokuma. Like, does he not have any other susses besides that? Just seems like weak reasoning)

COOOO! (And Okosan only like Long Con due a couple of posts he said today. All the othhr stuff Okosan thought was very meh)

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:45 pm Also I can't be NK'd so mafia don't try that on me next. K? thx.

Cooo! (Oh yeah same it's really weird how the host said Okosan couldn't be night killed ever just because he felt like it)

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:37 am Argh. No. Jack of Hearts is a schemer. We're supposed to believe that he just *realized* it was DDL from a PM? We lynched DDL and he survived, like he knew he would. Like he knew when he was plotting with Jack. "Sure, out me, it doesn't really matter," says DDL. "You'll get cred for it!"

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

Cooooooo? (Are there other people you currently sus in this game or are is it just Jack? Also, what makes Jack the most suspicious of the people who figured it was DDL?)

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:06 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:37 am Argh. No. Jack of Hearts is a schemer. We're supposed to believe that he just *realized* it was DDL from a PM? We lynched DDL and he survived, like he knew he would. Like he knew when he was plotting with Jack. "Sure, out me, it doesn't really matter," says DDL. "You'll get cred for it!"

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine
I got a PM of like 7 words and was like “it’s one of four people”. It’s completely reasonable. The only way it’s advantageous to scum to lynch DDL is if the game is completely broken.
If Jack were the first night recruit, DDL would have PMed him with his identity to calm him down.

Cooo! (To be fair Okosan doesn't think there's any reason we should automatically read you town for it either. Scum would want to hunt for Monokuma as much as Town would. Since Monokuma getting lynched, not being able to recruit anyone, or whatever else doesn't stop mafia from winning unless it literally ends the game. Plus it gets them a lot of town cred and apparently just wastes a day for town)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:53 am
Okosan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:37 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:33 am
Okosan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:17 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:27 am [VOTE: Sloonei ] aubergine

Sloonei / sig / fayt / okosan

Set on all of these, @ me if you town read anyone of them + reasons
Coo!! (Question why do you scum read fayt? Okosan can understand if you null read her do to her not really posting, but why the scum read? Or are you just saying these are good lynches regardless?)
I don't scum read him. I don't scum read any of you or Sloonei either. You're left out in the open because you're not being town.

It's not a matter of me scum reading you, it's a matter of me placing higher trust in my town reads, which leaves you out in the open.
COOOOO! (Okay if that's the case then why do you trust Creature over those 4 people?)
Bad reasons. But good question.

Coo! (It's just to Okosan out of the two people barely posting in this game Creature seems so much more scummy than Fayt unless there's some personality thing that Okosan is unaware of)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:52 am
Okosan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:35 am COOO! (Oops this was supposed to be under that)

Coo! (Uh no Okosan didn't? There was a kill N1 so unless you think either Monoluma recruited someone N1 and the got the chance to kill the same night, or Monokuma or town did the killing instead, there had to be a mafia by N0 or N1)
I think you're still not getting it, or maybe I'm not seeing your point.

The first night of the game was Night 1.

Night 1 only occurs after Day 0 and Day 1 end.

My assumption is that recruits can kill on the same night as they've been recruited. I was hunting scum in Day 2 because it's right after Night 1.

COO! (It just seems very unlikely that mafia get to kill the same night that they are recruited. Because what if DDL takes until the end of the night to pick someone? Then mafia just gets screwed. In Okosan's mind it makes a lot more sense that DDL got to start with a recruit on Day 0 or that there's a traitor that started it like mentioned earlier in the game)

Coooo! (Yeah so according to Rule 6 "Anyone who kills a fellow student and becomes "blackened" will graduate, unless they are discovered.")

Cooooo! (Graduating as far as Okosan is aware is trying to kill someone and survive until the end of the game. But he'll double check)

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:11 pm
Rule 10 Headmaster Monokuma will not help or impede students in trying to graduate.

COOOOO! (Depending on how much this covers DDL might not have been able to suggest that to mafia since that would be helping them gain cred to survive to the end. But this rule is very vague)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:33 am
Okosan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:17 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:27 am [VOTE: Sloonei ] aubergine

Sloonei / sig / fayt / okosan

Set on all of these, @ me if you town read anyone of them + reasons
Coo!! (Question why do you scum read fayt? Okosan can understand if you null read her do to her not really posting, but why the scum read? Or are you just saying these are good lynches regardless?)
I don't scum read him. I don't scum read any of you or Sloonei either. You're left out in the open because you're not being town.

It's not a matter of me scum reading you, it's a matter of me placing higher trust in my town reads, which leaves you out in the open.

COOOOO! (Okay if that's the case then why do you trust Creature over those 4 people?)

*Coo (D0 or D1)

COOO! (Oops this was supposed to be under that)

Coo! (Uh no Okosan didn't? There was a kill N1 so unless you think either Monoluma recruited someone N1 and the got the chance to kill the same night, or Monokuma or town did the killing instead, there had to be a mafia by N0 or N1)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:32 am
Okosan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:12 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:56 pm Note : This will be my town casing of people and my personal PoE. Also, some of you might notice a pattern where I read people based on their posting on day 2. I have intended that, as I see Day 0 and Day 1 a waste to read people. All this analysis was made under the presumption that there was no real mafia on day 0 and day 1 and so, it would be a waste to sort there.

Long Con :

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Apart from all the derp clears, his #476 is something that I really like. It's an angle of pushing that I find townie, because it stems from paranoia, which is a sign of not knowing sloonei's alignment, therefore, not TMI towards Sloonei being town. I think it would be odd for a mafia to just choose this pushing angle, I think they'd focus on other stuff. Also, in context, this way of pushing was really going with the thread, as it was stale and there wasn't too much to go based off of, so it doesn't really read to me as if he's really trying to stand out and look townie. He's more concerned over Sloonei being a potential conversion and a threat to town than he is about himself and how he's going to look after that.
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Trustworthy Liberal :

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Ok, I know this read is going to not have great stocks or anything, but just based on how TL thinks and is posting in this game, I want to lean town. Last time I played with him as scum, his tone was all weird, and he essentially busy posted his way until EoD, at which point I decided to switch on him and lynch him, because I had a solid town core and he wasn't really spicy or anything. Mental note for me, I'm fine clearing TL here, but if I ever would need to re-assess something, this would probably be one of those places. Shouldn't be an issue, if I see something scummy about him, I'll probably change my mind on him regardless. He just seems town here. I don't think I need to stress this, I am of the opinion that other people town read him as well.
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Rej :

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I feel like if Rej is a mafia, he slipped the fact that there was already a converted fellow to begin with (post #512 - "his fellas")

I like how Rej is switching between trying to genuine scum hunt and mechanical talk, it reads like he's taking his time solving the puzzle and trying to fit the pieces at his own pace, if that makes sense. I feel like Rej would probably be self-pressured into over-sharing his thoughts, but he's rather chill here.
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TSP :

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Town lean, mainly because of the PM thing.
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Jackofhearts :

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Same. He would also never have pushed the bear there.
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Turnip Head :

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I like his progression on Okosan. It started off with Turnip Head randomly acknowledging the fact that Okosan went really quiet all of a sudden, which was weird given his posting on the previous days. He kind of brushed it off and then when he saw my case, he also pushed the idea of a possible Okosan scum world. This gives me a feeling that, he felt that his gut feeling was finally backed by a case justifying that gut feeling, and therefore validating it. I feel like scum!TH would've waited a lot more and not post right after I go at Okosan there. This might be a bit biased read, it's combined with how relaxed TH has been and I'll take Jack's roleplaying read off TH as legit, even though I don't really wanna put much stock in, but I could see it being a thing.
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p-edit (i believe you call it linki here?) - I see, that's reasonable. It adds up with your thought that he's town, I'd take it you would suspect if new people advocated against your lynch here. However, his vote was placed purely based on how he would think Monokuma would handle EoD, it didn't have to do anything with your play style there. Curious. What made you feel like he voted you based on him not knowing you?
Cooooo! (So Okosan finally took a good look at this post, and he kind of finds himself disagreeing with a lot of it. First off, before Okosan gets into any of the reads, why are you assuming there was no mafia on Day 0 or 1? Day 0 Okosan can understand, but obviously there was a kill N1. So unless you think DDL converted someone N1, they got notified N1, and then killed someone there has to already be scum by that point. Sure there are no partners, but honestly Okosan feels like in this game partners don't mean a lot anyways and we won't get as much as we might like from analyzing stuff like that. Since the "mafia"'s only wincon is to kill someone and live what do they care if the rest of their team dies?)

D0 goes into Day 1 and Night 1 comes after Day 1. So, you just misunderstood how the phases work.

Coo! (Get in here and help us out [mention]Creature[/mention] ture )

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

COOO! (Now someone like Creature, that's a person who's barely posted Okosan can get behind a scum read for. Creature seems super disinterested in what's happening this game, and yet for some reason felt the need to mention that Monokuma recruited through roles not players. Could be him getting recruited even though he didn't expect to be, so that was at the front of his mind

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tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:27 am [VOTE: Sloonei ] aubergine

Sloonei / sig / fayt / okosan

Set on all of these, @ me if you town read anyone of them + reasons

Coo!! (Question why do you scum read fayt? Okosan can understand if you null read her do to her not really posting, but why the scum read? Or are you just saying these are good lynches regardless?)

Coo! (So tldr of that is:
1) There could've been scum Day 1 so don't discount it
2) Trustworthy Liberal, TH, and now Long Con are reads Okosan either agrees with or doesn't have grounds to disagree with
3) TSP and JackOfHearts shouldn't be cleared based off of pushing the Bear. JackOfHearts Okosan does still think is town, but Okosan actually kind of susses TSP a bit
4) Rej also seems somewhat scummy)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:56 pm Note : This will be my town casing of people and my personal PoE. Also, some of you might notice a pattern where I read people based on their posting on day 2. I have intended that, as I see Day 0 and Day 1 a waste to read people. All this analysis was made under the presumption that there was no real mafia on day 0 and day 1 and so, it would be a waste to sort there.

Long Con :

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Apart from all the derp clears, his #476 is something that I really like. It's an angle of pushing that I find townie, because it stems from paranoia, which is a sign of not knowing sloonei's alignment, therefore, not TMI towards Sloonei being town. I think it would be odd for a mafia to just choose this pushing angle, I think they'd focus on other stuff. Also, in context, this way of pushing was really going with the thread, as it was stale and there wasn't too much to go based off of, so it doesn't really read to me as if he's really trying to stand out and look townie. He's more concerned over Sloonei being a potential conversion and a threat to town than he is about himself and how he's going to look after that.
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Trustworthy Liberal :

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Ok, I know this read is going to not have great stocks or anything, but just based on how TL thinks and is posting in this game, I want to lean town. Last time I played with him as scum, his tone was all weird, and he essentially busy posted his way until EoD, at which point I decided to switch on him and lynch him, because I had a solid town core and he wasn't really spicy or anything. Mental note for me, I'm fine clearing TL here, but if I ever would need to re-assess something, this would probably be one of those places. Shouldn't be an issue, if I see something scummy about him, I'll probably change my mind on him regardless. He just seems town here. I don't think I need to stress this, I am of the opinion that other people town read him as well.
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Rej :

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I feel like if Rej is a mafia, he slipped the fact that there was already a converted fellow to begin with (post #512 - "his fellas")

I like how Rej is switching between trying to genuine scum hunt and mechanical talk, it reads like he's taking his time solving the puzzle and trying to fit the pieces at his own pace, if that makes sense. I feel like Rej would probably be self-pressured into over-sharing his thoughts, but he's rather chill here.
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TSP :

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Town lean, mainly because of the PM thing.
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Jackofhearts :

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Same. He would also never have pushed the bear there.
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Turnip Head :

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I like his progression on Okosan. It started off with Turnip Head randomly acknowledging the fact that Okosan went really quiet all of a sudden, which was weird given his posting on the previous days. He kind of brushed it off and then when he saw my case, he also pushed the idea of a possible Okosan scum world. This gives me a feeling that, he felt that his gut feeling was finally backed by a case justifying that gut feeling, and therefore validating it. I feel like scum!TH would've waited a lot more and not post right after I go at Okosan there. This might be a bit biased read, it's combined with how relaxed TH has been and I'll take Jack's roleplaying read off TH as legit, even though I don't really wanna put much stock in, but I could see it being a thing.
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p-edit (i believe you call it linki here?) - I see, that's reasonable. It adds up with your thought that he's town, I'd take it you would suspect if new people advocated against your lynch here. However, his vote was placed purely based on how he would think Monokuma would handle EoD, it didn't have to do anything with your play style there. Curious. What made you feel like he voted you based on him not knowing you?

Cooooo! (So Okosan finally took a good look at this post, and he kind of finds himself disagreeing with a lot of it. First off, before Okosan gets into any of the reads, why are you assuming there was no mafia on Day 0 or 1? Day 0 Okosan can understand, but obviously there was a kill N1. So unless you think DDL converted someone N1, they got notified N1, and then killed someone there has to already be scum by that point. Sure there are no partners, but honestly Okosan feels like in this game partners don't mean a lot anyways and we won't get as much as we might like from analyzing stuff like that. Since the "mafia"'s only wincon is to kill someone and live what do they care if the rest of their team dies?)

Cooooooooo? (Anyways moving on to the reads. The ones Okosan agrees with and/or doesn't disagree with is TH and Trustworthy Liberal. TH is mostly in the latter category of Okosan didn't really pay much attention to them besides d1, and even through Okosan's admittedly quick reread he didn't change much there. Overall very null, but Okosan should really revisit. Trustworthy Liberal Okosan can agree is probably just town. This one is a bit of a gut read based on how they've been posting. Obviosuly Okosan doesn't know Trustworthy Liberal, but what they've been doing/saying doesn't sound like it's coming from scum)

COO! (The rest of the reads Okosan finds kind of meh. First TSP and JackOfHearts Okosan doesn't think should be explicitly cleared or town leaned on because they found the bear. As Okosan mentioned this game is different with mafia not really caring about potential partners of any sort. So sure while there may be some secret stuff that would make it so that mafia doesn't really want to find Monokuma, but from what we know it's not like the killings will stop. Just maybe we'll get less recruits. That means very little to mafia except for there being less sus people in general. And it's an easy way to get town cred. Okosan's just saying they should be evaluated separately from the bear push)

Cooooooo! (And finally we have Rej who Okosan is feeling worse about than you seem to be. With Rej Okosan would actually like to see a bit more from him tbh. It does feel like Rej is somewhat engaged and whatnot, but Okosan personally would like to see Rej push some scum suspects a bit more than he has so far.)

Cooo! Cooo? (Okosan was going to say he felt a little less sure about Long Con but after reading his posts today Okosan actually kind of likes him now. The argument would've been that in some aspects earlier on it seemed like Long Con was just throwing sus around to make people look worse. The main example Okosan had was how he said everyone voting Turnip Head Day 1 was sus, but then never really pushed it. Even if the comment wa just a joke.)

Coo! (Alright we should just go off the assumption that the mass roleblock is dead or recruited. Which oh well hopefully Junko is alive and blocking Monokuma)

COOO! (Anyways now that night's over guess Okosan should actually start trying to scum hunt)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:12 pm And that warrants a lock town read that you’ll never come back to?

Ok.

COO! (Okosan means you locked Okosan as scum yesterday for his views on things so

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Cooo! (Sorry just thought instead of assuming something Okosan did in the past was scummy and moving on you'd want to read through and see if Okosan's thought progression actually made sense instead

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tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:19 pm I see.

Here’s what’s up. I am still stuck on that mentality thing and don’t get why you’d have a sudden change of opinion that’s seemingly unwarranted, but I’ll admit I’m not really that confident in it either.

I have a 1 scum read in between you and Sloonei, granted more because you’re both likely to flip scum at a more than rand chance, which means I have you as nulls that didn’t really do anything townie, so that’s why I feel fine with lynching you.

Now, that’s lazy thinking. So what i’d really appreciate is if you’d try and sort Sloonei for me by asking questions and vice versa, you could start from how you are feeling about Sloonei holistically and then maybe start the questioning process from his reasoning for town reading you and whether you think it’s town thought process or not.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:56 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:48 pm What did you mean?
Okosan was a town read without the read on me. I felt like he was flapping his wings in the right direction yesterday, particularly in regards to the case you were pushing against him: all the points you raised against Okosan yesterday were points that I considered to be in his favor.

I also did not suggest that Okosan misconstrued anything about me. I agreed with his theory about how the mean bear would have approached Day 1. But his case against me via that theory would have required me to make a careless mistake that I’d never in a million years make. To be clear, I’m saying that I’m brilliant and that shit’s beneath me.

COOO! (Could you please not Town read Okosan until the day starts thanks. He'd rather looks suspicious so mafia don't kill him if the mass roleblock is dead

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Cooooo! Cooo! (Honestly Okosan will probably wait until Day to really sit down and re-evaluate everyone. Make some new notes and everything because honestly Okosan thinks his first go around didn't get as much info as he might've wanted)

COO! COO! (Yeah Okosan was reading back because he didn't remember that being the reasoning Sloonei was town reading Okosan. Plus Ted you seem to want to gloss over Okosan's explanation of his thoughts for some reason, but you literally said you were hung up on Okosan's reasoning so Okosan explained it)

Coooooo! (Okosan's also unsure why you think it's really that drastic of a progression of thoughts. Let's walk through what Okosan would've tried to do as Monokuma day 1. And obviously maybe you won't agree with it or whatever, but here was his thoughts at least.)

COO! (The most important thing to do as Monokuma is to blend in assuming Junko can stop him from making recruits or of there's some negative to him being outed. The best way to do that, in Okosan's mind, is to try to be on a big wagon if at all possible. There's a couple of ways in which you can do that easily that Okosan mentioned Day 1, and was trying to look for on Day 1. That being 1) people trying to start wagons unnecessarily to hopefully get something traction, and 2) being too eager to jump in on anything that looks like it might have some promise to it. Now obviously a large wagon never really came into existence. If that's the case Okosan would heavily consider jumping to plan B)

Cooooo? (Plan B here is to essentially find a way to waste your vote. The reason you would want this is because if you're included in two wagons that are fairly close to each other there's a high likelihood, as we saw here, that you can get outed for it. Meanwhile if you stay out of the wagons town is going to most likely waste at least a day if not more trying to figure out why the vote went one way or the other when it really doesn't matter. The best way to do this is to either vote for a third, lesser wagon, or to vote for someone random in general. This is what Okosan thought he say Sloonei trying to do. Sloonei was on the Epi wagon until towards the end of the day when they were both extremely close. Then, like Okosan would want to do as Monokuma, Sloonei switched off on to someone completely random)

Coooooooooo! (Hence why Okosan started looking hard at Sloonei Day 2. Had we lynched Sloonei and he flipped town Okosan would've double checked to see if anyone else did it less obviously, and if they hadn't would have gone back to his original way of thinking)

COO! (Obviously with only a few votes the whole argument makes a lot less sense)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:21 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:39 pm Cooo? (Furthurmore Ted if Okosan was scum why wouldn't he just find a reason to jump on DDL? Yes it's so much better to go against the grain of what, in this scenario, is almost entirely town)
Okosan, what prompted this read on DDL? Why was he obvious town at the time you posted this?

Coooooo! (Okosan wasn't saying DDL was town there. He was saying in the scenario that Okosan was scum why wouldn't Okosan just find a reason to jump on DDL considering in that scenario almost everyone else in the game is town. Which makes more sense when you read a later(?) post saying that Okosan thought way more people were on DDL for some reason)

COOO! (Basically he's saying that there's no real reason for Okosan to make waves in a scenario in which more people were voting for DDL if Okosan was scum. If that makes sense)

Okosan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:35 pm Cooooo! (That mass roleblock better be submitting their action. And the role block better be Monokuma)

COOO! (Oh Okosan just thought of a great way we probably should've tried confirming the mass role block with the tie breaker who gets to see the last person who submits their night action. Because if the roleblock goes off then the role is very unlikely scum. And The tie breaker is probably not able to be converted due to him being the Ultimate Moral Compass)

COO! COO! (It does probably change the tells we're looking for though)

COOO! (Sorry Okosan guesses he means it's not like scum would be directing the lynch to her or anything. It would all be town)

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:34 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:27 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:14 pm Does it make Sloonei confirmed towny?
How?
because she was DDL's counterwagon, how big are the odds first recruit and Monokuma got both tied?

Cooooooooo! (Well in the world that she's the first/only recruit it doesn't make her any more town no. Because it's not like scum would be directing the lynch off of her. In the world in which there's two mafia it's iffier, and Okosan thinks that's the world we're in? Because otherwise there shouldn't have been a kill yesterday right?)

Cooooo! (That mass roleblock better be submitting their action. And the role block better be Monokuma)

Coooo! (No there's not. Personally Okosan's hoping he can just be roleblocked forever and we can stop him from making more recruits)

Cooooo!! (Also if the regular roleblock is still alive they should just block DDL because Okosan doesn't know which would resolve first but it could be tragic if they accidentally blocked the mass roleblock)

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