The Syndicate

lol, wasn’t expecting that

gg all hope we all know anything that happens in the game stays in the game, didn’t wanna contribute to your rough time psv

lovely people

dennis, your read on me here was better than people who are regarded as THE TOP players on my site so hold your head high. i also typically am the d1 mislunch here and you found me villa

well played spf, gj village and esp neon / psv, ithought it was a loss for sure lmao

sorry six, i really wanted to go for someone else but i just didn’t know who, guess the answer was there on spf but i hate doing it without getting to her posts, i feel like any lunch on that day would’ve been bad cuz it was all villas and any lunch felt like it would’ve been horrible if they flipped villa

kinda sucks cuz i don't really wolfread spf, didn't have the chance to re-read her

but she'll definitely die f3 if she's a villa and having her give a legacy at f5 and following her last pick at a wolf seems the best choice, she should be closer than anyone here as we'd flipped her best guess at a wolf

if it's not her then we have to figure out who the wolf is in dennis / neon probably.

if it's psv it'll be cathartic, but the bridge was burnt

sig / psv are the clears fmpov

kill spf and then reconsider if wrong

Neon wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 11:21 am Im clearing sig and SPF so like probably everyone else

this is pretty unbelievable to me on a surface level

sig i get, but having that confidence on spf and not narrowing down on 2 people at least seems weird to me.

like, it's pretty obvious dennis' alignment doesn't come down to that, he has a ton of other actions too

but the way he harps on that is

1) tough for a wolf to do imo
2) it's a previous buildup from his dennis read and the sudden rising confidence on it i'm buying as a genuine progression

sig wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 1:20 pm Dennis from my xp will bus and will panic last minute especially if his teammates aren't around for him to bounce ideas off of.

really buying it as a genuine progression the way he builds upon it and comes back to it

can't do big posts, i've read 50% of sig's iso closely and the other sparsely

but i'm ~pretty confident he wouldn't be able to post the way he's doing as a wolf. i haven't played a ton with him, but when he was a wolf, i think he had pretty generically wolfy posts.

the sudden confidence traction on dennis looks good to me and i buy that he believes it, his PoE is also looking good. i kinda think his spf angle is also believable

he has posts that show a little more depth than wolves would care to point out, due to how hard it would be to prove you having a genuine stance on them, such as

sig wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:55 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 1:56 pm I'm going to start with the 2 voting me. You seem civ and solving.

Psv doesn't know me, so her vote could simply be misplaced (combined with my law activity).

Seanzie concerns me the most, as he knows my play at least a bit better than camilla and psv and I'm surprised he would put a vote on me this early. I'm gonna start by looking at his iso.
All lawyers are soulless, Kate is a lawyer, Therefore kate is soulless.

Now the question is are soulless people mafia.

this is an additional line that shows a little to me that he lacks TMI

sig wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:49 am The Dennis debate really comes down to what do we think Sean/Falcon would tell him to do in the situation that they were in?

Dennis alone wouldn't have made the decision to bus his teammates, but if they determined it was the smart move to make he'd have followed their advice.

this whole angle i'm just buying as genuine and lack of TMI. wolves don't go this far to ask questions in solving because they have the answers already, i view it as a tough post to make both because a wolf has TMI and because it's a tough angle to hold onto as a wolf

just seems like a villager's wheels spinning in his head

sig's probably one of my clears, the second might be psv but really a lot of it is spite so i can say "welp, said so" in the case it's wrong lol

@sig i do have one question, a common theme in your iso is tinfoiling spf and keep bringing her name up every day phase saying she should die later in the game, but you've never expressed your reason of concerns that go along with that statement

can you say why you keep re-iterating it? have you spotted anything off about her? or some other reason?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 9:18 pm @tedxtr hey. Where's your head right now?

at the time of this post, resting on the pillow

will be on later. idk, if sig was a wolf today then my bad, but otherwise we had v/v wagons

it is incredibly easy to fake not having TMI with the flip thing so anybody saying anyone is cleared off it is incorrect. don't disregard 4 dayphases of gameposts for some posting at EoD when hosts messed with flavor

the easy resolve is we kill spf today as we'd have fulfilled kate's list either way (killing pyxxy was kate's second choice)

if psv is a wolf then i'm washing my hands of any and all responsibility as i'd tunneled them for 3 dayphases iirc and nobody interacted with my points and i'd say disregard them too

idk if sig can be a wolf tho it's exponentially easier for him to be posting that way having afk'd d1, still i think his posting as a wolf is ~typically obvious and im not seeing it here, kate hasn't either, but this is off live posting feels without any isoing so i'll re-read at some point

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:48 pm @pyxxy why are you voting sig?

Oh wow it really is in a few hours

Uh oh

Voting pyxxy in case eod is in 1h

im exhausted, should be up some point tomorrow tho

hope eod is not in 1h

I’d vote pyxxy over sig any day. Idk how he’s being discussed for a lunch target

@pyxxy why are you voting sig?

Sig being voted is ~probably a travesty

I think i agreed with one of your wallposts at some point

I’ll be re-reading when possible and see what i come up with

Rn im in a headspace where a lot of the things you’re saying makes sense, but it just makes me realize maybe you’re painting the good image of misclears, but you aren’t offering the potential wolf on the plate

So maybe it means it’s you and that’s why there’s something missing

Been on vacay since thursday, can be active tomorrow night euroland time but prolly gonna be tired then

This probably makes no sense lol

Pretty much all votes seem bad to me in some way if they’re villas

In a “yeah should’ve seen it but have no clue who to go for” way

Idk what you’re supposed to do in these situations

i’ll be honest, i don’t know how good i feel with a six lunch

don’t really like how people came to voting him and i’m nowhere near as confident as i was on falcon

will prob feel bad too if i mislunch him his first time when he voted a wolf but uhh

I wouldn’t kill dennis either, kate was more confident on him than six too

Plus it doesn’t feel right

idk what to make of six’s posts

I kinda agree with p much all of spf’s wallpost thoughts, but have bad vibes when she gets to interacting out of those

I guess it’s not impossible she could be a wolf, but i still think it’s wrong in the absence of some reason why

Im not gonna defend her and i prob won’t hardpush six either

Neon / psv / lemon / sig probably shouldn’t be dying to lunch tho

Alright thanks

I’ll be back a lot later, leaving you to it

Six can you let us know what made you villa lock psv on d2?

I’d really appreciate some insight into your thoughts, in your other games you usually have one big post by now with some progression on a read or something

Speak of the devil

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 10:52 am
Kate wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 10:48 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 10:46 am There is no reason to clear Six based off anyone's flip
Why, did you tell him to bus you in chat? Bc that's the only way you could know that.

And why are you pushing a low posting newbie on day 2? Lhf?
Well I mean, I don't see that as pushing as much as not easily giving townreads. Like with my seanzie vote, that's obviously not clearing. Maybe you don't outright scumread me for it (which you may I'm not one to judge) but you certainly don't think it's clearing

And at this point, I would think he knows to explain himself a bit more. He hasn't actually said anything other than "I think Ted is bad" when the thread was on ted as a top wagon, and "I'm sheeping Kate and psv" when the thread is townreading them

this is a pretty good post, /shrug. particularly red

Sometimes people refuse to believe it’s this easy.

Lemon thanks for answering, i disagree but i’m not gonna pick out the post and say why i think it’s wrong.

I think we can all agree six has posted no thoughts and thus it’d make sense to vote him and pressure him into giving us something worth reading into

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 12:35 pm I don't think Six needs to make this vote

but he does. how do you see a falcon / six team ever winning without bussing?

and if he’s a villa, votes will be telling him his current posts aren’t enough to solve him (which they aren’t imo, but maybe i’m in the minority? dropping reads without any traceable thought should never be close to interpreting an alignment from)

and perhaps he’ll post more thoughts

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 2:16 am psv defended falcon in such a transparent and blatant way that i'm not really sure if it makes sense for it to be her

if i work from the assumption that falcon had given up yesterday (which seems very much to be the case), then it makes sense to me for the other wolf to:

1. fully commit to bussing/distancing from falcon

2. subtly try to get the elimination elsewhere without actually hard defending or protecting neon

psv kind of taking this middle ground option where she defends falcon very brazenly throughout the dayphase without even doing anything to steer the elimination elsewhere is ...weird for a wolf to do. like yeah, it fits in a level 0 way, but i'm not sure if it is what most wolves realistically do that in scenario

@tedxtr - thots?

looks fine, i guess i agree

i wanna lunch six today, take a look over his meta. In each game he had a lengthy thought post that was newbishly villa and in here none + it just fits the best to me with how a new wolf would play even without meta, but with it it fits even more imo

Playing newbie card in a way to excuse himself where it doesn’t make sense cuz he has experience and in those games he didn’t mention it a lot and if he did, he gave a credible line to show some solving or villageriness either after or in the same post

Having 2 very confident / lock clear reads as a new player, one of them on an unclearable player and then dropped a list with 7 villas and a wolf (point being new players fall to paranoia easily and it’s much easier perceiving ~everything as wolfy)

His sudden realization that villa reads are easier to get could be his TMI leaking cuz wolves have the answers and he doesn’t have to doubt everything as new villas typically do

whatcha thinking of pops, dennis?

[VOTE: SixStrings ] aubergine

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 5:53 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 5:36 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:45 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:31 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:29 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:28 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:26 pm the fact that i tied seanzie on d1 when it would have been extremely easy to make anyone else go over and the fact that i actively POE'd falcon throughout yesterday and showed no resistance to him dying should be evidence enough that i'm townsiding and that i'm not playing with a specific agenda, but i did self-vote once so i guess that's pretty scummy
Now this post is just condescending. I've played like a lost townie thus far?
no, you've played well, but you are scumreading me because i self-voted as a joke and because you are failing to understand a really basic strategy. i'm not trying to be condescending, but that doesn't make you any less wrong
That's far from the only reason I've given. I figured out it was you yesterday, before you self voted and you knew it. That's why you asked me if I thought you were wolf.
tbh i do remember that and remember feeling off about it

mostly cuz idk why spf would be curious about that since it seems like a solving question when you're p much ~lock clear
@staypositivefriend can you answer this? why were you curious as to whether she was wolfreading you or not?
it felt like she was constantly alluding to it without directly saying it, and it kind of bugged me tbh. there wasn't a strategic reason for asking, I just wanted her to say it

damn, i was hoping for a different answer

she was p much lock clear, i don't see why it'd bug you?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 5:28 pm is there a way to search the thread for all posted votes? searching "aubergine" doesn't do it

lol, this is weird. pretty sure the whole point of the aubergine was so that you could search it

anyway, my vote is pretty much made up in my mind for now, but i'll finish my re-read and see if i spot something

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:45 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:31 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:29 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:28 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:26 pm the fact that i tied seanzie on d1 when it would have been extremely easy to make anyone else go over and the fact that i actively POE'd falcon throughout yesterday and showed no resistance to him dying should be evidence enough that i'm townsiding and that i'm not playing with a specific agenda, but i did self-vote once so i guess that's pretty scummy
Now this post is just condescending. I've played like a lost townie thus far?
no, you've played well, but you are scumreading me because i self-voted as a joke and because you are failing to understand a really basic strategy. i'm not trying to be condescending, but that doesn't make you any less wrong
That's far from the only reason I've given. I figured out it was you yesterday, before you self voted and you knew it. That's why you asked me if I thought you were wolf.
tbh i do remember that and remember feeling off about it

mostly cuz idk why spf would be curious about that since it seems like a solving question when you're p much ~lock clear

@staypositivefriend can you answer this? why were you curious as to whether she was wolfreading you or not?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 5:19 pm i enjoyed playing with you too kate. sorry we couldn't find each other

you didn't have her village?

i think you've played amazingly here, it was refreshing. i enjoy your playstyle very much

if it wasn't for you, i don't think i'd be nearly as confident on falcon as you were. i'll even 1 up it and say you have posted / played in a similar manner as my werewolf idol, but i'm not gonna say who that is :P

truly enjoyed playing with you

maybe im conflating spf's reputation from MU with the one on syndicate and she's not that tinfoiled here

but on MU she's a strong player who gets tinfoiled everyday. if you're that type of wolf, voting off your partner who has the best odds of living when you're always gonna get tinfoiled seems wrong to do. in other words, she should know most votes on wolves won't buy her too much cred, especially when she gets to live at f3 if she makes it there

i guess her wolf angle would be she wanted to give seanzie cred, but again, the gamestate showed potential for a flashwagon on him

i think the top players don't bus like that when 2 free lunches are on the table, personally

just my 2 cents but if you're hellbusing, you're not a good wolf, unless you have a plan / can read the room and you feel like that's where it's gonna end up. bussing seanzie there seems -EV, so unless it was obvious the vote was gonna swing onto seanzie (which it wasn't, all the votes came after spf's vote) then i wouldn't even question spf placing a bus vote

i guess she might've wanted to distance from seanzie? which is perfectly fine, but a lot of us were throwing in lines stating that seanzie fell off and including you wolf reading him, so chances are if she offers that option, we could vote. which ended up happening

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:31 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:29 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:28 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:26 pm the fact that i tied seanzie on d1 when it would have been extremely easy to make anyone else go over and the fact that i actively POE'd falcon throughout yesterday and showed no resistance to him dying should be evidence enough that i'm townsiding and that i'm not playing with a specific agenda, but i did self-vote once so i guess that's pretty scummy
Now this post is just condescending. I've played like a lost townie thus far?
no, you've played well, but you are scumreading me because i self-voted as a joke and because you are failing to understand a really basic strategy. i'm not trying to be condescending, but that doesn't make you any less wrong
That's far from the only reason I've given. I figured out it was you yesterday, before you self voted and you knew it. That's why you asked me if I thought you were wolf.

tbh i do remember that and remember feeling off about it

mostly cuz idk why spf would be curious about that since it seems like a solving question when you're p much ~lock clear

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:42 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:41 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:27 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:24 pm i'm not really sure i could do spf without any words as to how / why they're a wolf

i don't view her as someone who would lunch their partner d1, especially when they got villa read early. now it does seem like maybe she couldn't have known he'd die? but a lot of us were saying he could be a wolf so it's still a risky move
Wow, have you ever seen neon bus? Bc that's nothing compared to her!
have you played with her and she bussed unnecessarily fypov?
Neon is a ginormous busser. Self admitted

im asking about spf, but maybe i read the post wrong

i thought you were saying "have you seen neon bus? spf is even worse than her at bussing / she busses more"

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:27 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:24 pm i'm not really sure i could do spf without any words as to how / why they're a wolf

i don't view her as someone who would lunch their partner d1, especially when they got villa read early. now it does seem like maybe she couldn't have known he'd die? but a lot of us were saying he could be a wolf so it's still a risky move
Wow, have you ever seen neon bus? Bc that's nothing compared to her!

have you played with her and she bussed unnecessarily fypov?

i feel like she'd much rather stick to me on that d1, it felt like she moved off me at crucial time fmpov and on the person that had decent odds to take off, and that was a wolf too

where otherwise i'd have higher odds of dying. that is on d1

i'm not really sure i could do spf without any words as to how / why they're a wolf

i don't view her as someone who would lunch their partner d1, especially when they got villa read early. now it does seem like maybe she couldn't have known he'd die? but a lot of us were saying he could be a wolf so it's still a risky move

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:27 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:48 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:45 pm i think that falcon was very much in anti-spew for almost the entirety of yesterday, for whatever that is worth. i have seen him try to survive as scum before and i have seen him try to be towny as scum before. what happened yesterday was not that
yeah, he wasn't trying to live for sure

but his posts on psv are just ~bad, if she's my partner and im falcon, i probably just ignore her with his progression. there was thread momentum against psv previously (lemon / neon both voted, i was hard pushing) and he spends time making posts that make no logical sense w/r/t psv, which would make us feel compelled to flip her

so that just makes me feel like he was trying to set her up after his death. but all of this could be wifom idk
if you need some prompts about this exact topic, I'm busy rn but I wrote some questions that I think are good and helpful to research

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:21 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:17 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 1:32 pm [VOTE: PSV] aubergine
why?
tbd but

Seanzie died with his vote on Kate (who was 99% town and is now obv town and will soon be dead town bc obv town)

falcon died with his vote on Kate (lol) but voted PSV earlier here

falcon also ended with his vote on PSV D1

did falcon seriously push PSV D1? or was falcon's work today an attempt to cover for what was supposed to be light bussing on D1 (i.e. voting PSV) by trying to make it seem like it was just a normal "scum trying to push a townie" push?
the last bit
"did falcon seriously push PSV D1? or was falcon's work today an attempt to cover for what was supposed to be light bussing on D1 (i.e. voting PSV) by trying to make it seem like it was just a normal "scum trying to push a townie" push?"

yeah this seems to be a reasonable angle too, which is likely wifom

but dunno. if psv is a villa then they had really unfortunate progressions and actions with the wolf guys. from villa reading sean based on something that ~didn't happen, to holding a villa read on falcon that she was willing to brush by and then defending him on the basis of "idk these meta points are clashing back to back which makes me think it's a miss"

i feel like even for myself i wouldn't go to that level of powerwolfing in terms of defending team mates

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:27 pm hm maybe I misread your post Ted sorry

i was just making a point of falcon's progression on psv potentially being a good look for her

he knew he was gonna die, and his first few posts are making a lolvillaread on someone he had previously voted

oops, seems you're at it

@Kate

can you let us know where your head's at? you're dying in 54mins

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:45 pm i think that falcon was very much in anti-spew for almost the entirety of yesterday, for whatever that is worth. i have seen him try to survive as scum before and i have seen him try to be towny as scum before. what happened yesterday was not that

yeah, he wasn't trying to live for sure

but his posts on psv are just ~bad, if she's my partner and im falcon, i probably just ignore her with his progression. there was thread momentum against psv previously (lemon / neon both voted, i was hard pushing) and he spends time making posts that make no logical sense w/r/t psv, which would make us feel compelled to flip her

so that just makes me feel like he was trying to set her up after his death. but all of this could be wifom idk

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:42 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:07 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:03 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:01 pm side note
falcon/Ted are crossvoting and there's 2 people on both

doesn't really make me think they're w/w
like ok, maybe they could be distancing but it's only D2 and their scumpartner just got elimmed
voting each other is not really the best move rn if they're a team
Why? One of them is likely going down today. If they're teammate was on the other wagon, especially early wouldn't that look pretty townie?
I mean, idk about you guys, but in this situation I'm bending over backwards to save my partner if at all possible. Lot easier to get to parity with two instead of one. Neither is really a lost cause. Part of it is playstyle differences I guess but I would not be voting my last partner here because that's not going to gain them much cred.
Here is one example.of that @tedxtr

yeah, i mentioned this was one of her best posts, the other being the exploring of the rule of 3 from seanzie lol

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:38 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:34 pm i also have a pet theory that the only way he could've gotten to psv as a "locked villa" alongside kate on D2 is by seeing seanzie's push there and having the TMI that he spewed her with his treatment, but nobody else had psv as a villager with that level of confidence

i know it's wolfy of me to say this given i've pushed psv all game, but i've re-read and can easily see how someone might think psv is a villa off seanzie.

having 2 confirmed villas is unusual of six (unless i'm wrong? i don't think i've ever seen him declare a villa read with such confidence) especially when one of them nobody was viewing as a locked villa. also dropping 7 villas is unusual behavior too, yes?

this is primarily directed to kate, i assume she played all the games he was in
I play much more by gut and vibes and psv seems awfully genuine to me. There was a post she made where she explained to me why she wasn't voting falcon and it was just so...true? I think that's the right word. I don't think the solve is psv. Let me look for that post.

i can get that angle, i've felt it too. it just sucks cuz i usually get pushed a ton and then get extra prickly on some or one person that's doing it without any good reason

currently im thinking that the way she interacted with sean to be too awkward for a w/w pair and i kinda feel like falcon's entire approach to yesterday was to post random things on people because the avenue was safe for the last wolf for at least a few days. i think his posting about psv is set up to make her look worse and potentially ensure her lunch

given that his progression on her was awful and his reason for swapping from a wolf read to villa read too, once he dies we can't question him and we are left with a feeling of resolving her due to how confusing his approach was, which i wouldn't do to my last deep partner.

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