The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:55 pm Also it's really funny that Myo was "caught" from Ted because I actually made all the kills so it wasn't the case that Myo was blocked. Maybe he just suspected her and intentionally set it up though? But in reality either I was blocked or Sloonei was protected bc that's who I tried to kill that night. @tedxtr I'd love to know the truth here, or if it was from someone else's ability after all lol

Blocked you n1 I think and then I just naturally suspected Myo, no shenanigans there.

Why did you guys cop me anyway?

I interpreted it as busy work to escape the lynch. Pretty much avoided the lynch then dipped.

Doesn't even care about Long Con or me or anyone that she took the time to talk about / place them in scum leans.

I think you vets should bolster your bonds between each other and seek out who the weak link might be.

The game state feels weird because nobody is really talking about the people that they know. You have easy reads between each other, start forming town cores and then we can see if there's scum out of the vets.

There's slight pushes on Long Con and sig. Read their ISOs, give a conclusion, that's where the general consensus goes as to "they might be scum, but ehhhhhhhhhh", or at least how I see the game state.

I read all of them town except for possibly Myo but I'm acknowledging a=the possibility of being wrong on scum!her.

I could also be wrong on town!Jiwon because her last batch of posts have been just absolutely horrible.

But I'm sticking by my reads and if they're wrong, it is what it is. The only person I'm feeling mafia is Myo. And I'm still waiting for an explanation of her meta on her site.

She argued that she is being suspected all the time, but she town cleared herself within the span of 5 posts at EoD by the vets. She's either blatantly lying or her fellow players have to be pretty bad. What I get from that is that her scum game HAS to be similar to her town game.

I'm acknowledging that player pool as the only newcomer pool that has a chance to flip mafia. Jay has been entertaining the fact that the scums are in newcomers.

I’m giving Jay one more chance before I start looking his direction, and that is to find the scum in Myo and Jiwon.

That’s the ultimatum, if he picks wrong, my bloodlust for him will trump my policy lynching tendencies for lurkers

Ha, I had Soneji town

Her only townie post is the Long Con one

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:31 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:24 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:23 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:16 pm Am I included in that group? Am I muddying the waters?

Are you town? As it stands, I think you're evil.

My point, which I think is pretty self-evident is that suspicious townies are a net negative for the town and a positive for the wolves. They're not killed because they're easy to mislynch. But ultimately if I'm going to be continuously distracting, then it's not a terrible play. The best solution is to be less suspicious, but apparently I don't excel at that, no matter where I am.

......I see. So you do think LC is scum but he's a less-bad loss if he flips town than a more consensus townie would be (I'm not sure I'd call Sloonei a consensus townie at this point, but that's another conversation)

Umm, yes. Was there a question in there? I'm not 100% sure I understood it correctly.

I think the main point against Sloonei has been the dramatic shift in activity compared to early game, but I don't think that weight strongly against his earlier behaviour which was pretty pro-town in my eyes.

What activities were pro-town? Spool your thoughts. Quote posts that made you feel some type of way.

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:23 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:16 pm Am I included in that group? Am I muddying the waters?

Are you town? As it stands, I think you're evil.

My point, which I think is pretty self-evident is that suspicious townies are a net negative for the town and a positive for the wolves. They're not killed because they're easy to mislynch. But ultimately if I'm going to be continuously distracting, then it's not a terrible play. The best solution is to be less suspicious, but apparently I don't excel at that, no matter where I am.

I don’t buy the “I’m suspicious wherever I am” You managed to place yourself firmly in people’s town lists within the span of 5 to 10 posts. It’s either you’re presenting an unfair assessment of your situation in games or you are scum that’s using that as a leverage to get town read. Quite frankly, I would like to see some of your games and see whether that is the truth.

What I draw from this is that you are bound to get pushed as either alignment.

How do you differentiate between “suspicious” town and just scum, or rather, why don’t you do that, lol

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:15 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:09 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:46 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:32 pm Wow, what a fun turn of events. In general, I don’t do early game reads. I rely a lot on meta to be able to read people and I don’t have that here obviously. The amount of jargon and the way people post here have been jarring I guess (it has been very hard for me to get into the game) and I think contributed to what people are calling stilted.

Who should it be if not you?

My vote would be Lon Con but you've made it well known that you disagree with that suggestion.

Why does his opinion matter more than your own when it comes to your vote?

I think that was phrased poorly. I'm still going to vote for you. My point was that I highly doubtful that he (and others) would follow. I'm not voting for Sloonie (the current 2nd place vote getter), he's one of the people that I'm most confident is town. If we're going to lynch a townie, I'd far rather have it be a suspicious townie than a wild last minute swing onto someone that is generally regarded as trusted. Suspicious townies muddle the waters, as has been evident.

What

What happened to my prey?

Me and nutella are scum buddies

I think I’m not interested in pursuing sig today, I’d like to pull through with Myo and sort afterwards.

In any case, sig / Jiwon / motobot need to post a lot more tomorrow.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:02 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:01 pm I think you guys give way too much credit for that singular post, when she didn’t even have an opinion on Jack either way.

It’s like a literal mod commentary on why a town pushing a scum is good while not getting the reasoning they are pushing them for or if it’s even useful, but as long as you have the flips, doesn’t really matter that much.

I think you gave motobot too much credit for essentially nothing. This is kind of my confusion with the present game state.

My philosophy is that there is a 75% chance he’s town. In her 10 posts, he hasn’t really pursued any scum agenda. I’m taking the odds given that I have no reason to up the 25% to where I’m more confident in scum him, if that makes sense.

I think you guys give way too much credit for that singular post, when she didn’t even have an opinion on Jack either way.

It’s like a literal mod commentary on why a town pushing a scum is good while not getting the reasoning they are pushing them for or if it’s even useful, but as long as you have the flips, doesn’t really matter that much.

I’m still keeping my vote there. Not moving.

Tbf, if I compare it to the rest of Myo’s ISO, that post looks good precisely because it was correct on Jack

The other reads she made were just going through the motions, like I said

Basically what Jay said

I guess she could’ve made that post in the sense that she didn’t even know what salad is, so she’d have to go from the assumption that Jack is worthy of being pushed even though she didn’t really push him.

I think I’m still keeping my vote, I don’t find it all that clearing.

She could make that post about a partner, I just find it...unlikely.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:34 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:32 pm LC I’ve been looking for someone to break down what that post means for a long time

Can you do that for me?

I think she is disagreeing with Ted's push of Soneji, and agreeing with Soneji's pressure on Jack to state his own takes instead of attributing them to someone else.

Hmmm, then that would look like a pretty bad w/w interaction for Jack and Myo (as in, it seems weird she’d treat a partner like that)

Meh, I might hop on the Soneji train based on my analysis of his first post but idk

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:23 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:20 pm I put the ? at the end because it seemed all too easy and I’m very unsure of Sloonei mafia.

Would bet more on one of sig / soneji / nutella + Myo

Which prompts me to ask people’s opinions on Myo

Please remind me why nutella?

It’s not to say she’s scum, I take a PoE approach.

LC I’ve been looking for someone to break down what that post means for a long time

Can you do that for me?

I put the ? at the end because it seemed all too easy and I’m very unsure of Sloonei mafia.

Would bet more on one of sig / soneji / nutella + Myo

Which prompts me to ask people’s opinions on Myo

I think Sloonei / myo is a solid combo for a scum team?

Jiwon -

She's town. A lot of their posts strike me as weird things mafia would post about, if she were a mafia.

Left with Myo + 1 of Sloonei / sig / soneji / nutella

Probably stopping here for today I'm already bored.

LC -

Yeah, so, read his ISO and I wanna say that I think that LC's desire to get town read for voting Jack there is, in this context, probably town indicative. I actually want to say that it should probably be treated as NAI, but fuck it, I am town reading the guy anyway. I think that a wolf!Long Con that has little time to play the game wouldn't waste the entirety of it in order to soak the cred sponge until the very last possible drop when he sees that there's not much water in it, if that makes sense.

He'd probably end up getting pissed about it.

Wolf Long Con would acknowledge that there's few credit to obtain and the chase of that credit would make him look even worse. I think that it makes more sense for town Long Con to keep doing it.

I wish I could elaborate more on it because there's something that clicked in my head and then the idea ran, but I do think LC is town here. I just think that, as a wolf, spending his time with it is a death sentence, whereas town!LC acknowledges that he's a suspect and wants to get absolved so he doesn't end up mislynched. Through that lens, LC looks like a villager to me.

JJJ -

Also town reading him based on some posts I saw in thread, I'm not getting into that ISO today folks, or perhaps never. May I not be forced to go there if the situation demands it.

I remain at a glorious PoE of Long Con / Jiwon / sig / Soneji / Sloonei / nutella + Myo as a scum team.

Lot of work. Sorting LC and Jiwon next because they're low posters, I think.

MacDouggie -

I've already stated that I think he's lock town due to Jack's spew on him. I think he's being fairly villager-y, ISOing him would be a waste of my time tbh. And everyone else's, Mac's kinda consensus at this point. Don't bother.

Re-evaluate later if he doesn't die, etc etc

My wall looked relatively slim in terms of convincing points so I'll elaborate

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:40 am JaggedJimmyJay flips between calling Sloonei suspicious last phase to ranking him town this phase with no reasoning to the switch that I’ve seen. As I’ve said, I don’t particularly like rapid flip-flops on alignment with no reasoning behind the switch

Another instance where Myo can push JJJ to see why he switches on Sloonei. But there's no incentive for her to figure JJJ out, it's like, I saw JJJ do this scummy thing, ok...Why did he do it? Is he scum for it?

There's just no internal click for her on sorting alignments, just IIOA and all that jazz.

Myo -

Yeah, there are some points of concern.

Myo wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 7:47 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 3:51 pm

Soneji wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 7:12 am Nutella isn't here though, so would Jack call this salad?

Asking questions for the sake of asking questions.

Eh, I feel that this deserves a little push-back. Couching your own opinions in someone else's reasoning strikes me as creating
'distance' between yourself and your actions. The follow-up feels warranted to get Jackofhearts2005's actual thoughts/reasoning without basing it on outside logic that he's not claiming as his own.

This is virtually doing nothing. In here, the mindset is to...correct me, instead of...deducing my alignment. It lacks a certain inquisitive switch that turns on after reading a post like mine and just resorts to telling me why I'm wrong and not what that means for my alignment.

Not only is it very hard to grasp what she means here (if you got it, please simplify it for me) but she HERSELF didn't really know what Soneji was talking about when mentioning the "salad" thing. How do you expect to be right in your reasoning by correcting me when you have no idea what salad is or if it's even relevant to ask. My argument was hinging on the fact that it's a useless question, Myo defended it saying it wasn't but Soneji's post didn't really further anything. Might fall down a rabbit hole here, but I don't really get how you can say a question is useful if you don't know what the content of it is.

weh

Myo wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:52 pm Ugh, my comment ate itself. Gonna try posting this again.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:11 pm The next step is developing reads. So let's do that, myo! Who stands out to you so far, one way or the otehr?

I get good vibes from MacDougall. He talks a lot and it’s jokey and chaotic while still being *mostly* on topic. Chatter generates more chatter and a talkative town certainly has more momentum behind them, so I like that he’s been consistently active in the earliest phases.

The more talkative someone it, the easier it is to get a good feel of their affiliation so this kind of play-style is riskier for a wolf to take on without really getting the benefit of derailing the town, since he’s been mostly on topic.

I like the rapid-fire comments because it seems like he’s saying what’s on his mind here and now without bothering to think though how other people are going to read his comments.

Some of his comment come across as deliberately trying to get under people’s skin? I don’t love the tone of all of them but riling people up to see their reactions isn’t a bad way to get a feel for alignments, although a bit mean IMO.

I just get massive TMI vibes here, I think she's going through the motions of sorting. It's not something very relevant or it's not showing a progression as to how she got to the read.

"Mac posts a lot so he's town" but with a bunch of other words to inflate the importance of the read and it being actually genuine.

Myo wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 3:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 11:30 am

Myo wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 10:59 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:09 am I count one (1) read made in the history of this thread by Myo, and it's an extremely controversial take:

MacDougall town

bad look

You think it's a bad read when you also think that he is town (according to your list)?

He’s calling it an uninspiring read. What else you got?

Things that stand out:

Lon Con. Decent number of comments but a lot are arguing about his credit for the Jackofhearts2005 lunch. The beating of a dead horse is ehhhhhhh to me. Reading it back it seems very obvious to me that he isn’t going to get people to agree with him but he keeps going. Strikes me a bit as thread derailment, but it was a night phase, so I’m not actually sure how much merit this point holds since there was no lynch voting ongoing.

JaggedJimmyJay flips between calling Sloonei suspicious last phase to ranking him town this phase with no reasoning to the switch that I’ve seen. As I’ve said, I don’t particularly like rapid flip-flops on alignment with no reasoning behind the switch, it comes across to me as throwing things out and seeing what gets picked up by others and then moving on from the rest.

After writing this comment I realise that you are the Sloonei I was referring to.

Also, what on earth is linki? I've seen it written a few times. Sorry for all the clarification questions, the new jargon has been a bit overwhelming.

Things that stand out:

Mac is being town read for "saying whatever's on his mind" but Long Con is derailing the thread when he's speaking his mind.

I think I'm at a point where I'm already locked on this read, I'm like...70% confident, if you want a rough estimate.

I don't know if I have enough clout to pull this off, but thankfully it's on a low poster so people will be incentivized to vote. I encourage voting here.

[VOTE: Myo ] aubergine

motobot -

10 posts. Well, there's not much there, but I'd say she's a villager. If she is new to the game, then her approach seems to be that of a townie. I don't spot any agenda and whenever she's posting she's trying to help the village, even if she only mentions who she's voting for scraps and all that. I don't really think she's a scum.

I liked her early jokey entrance that immediately got followed up by seriousness, that's a natural town progression / mindset to have.

Not really seeing why people are having any suspicions on her / him. I don't have any gripes there.

A lurker scum that's also new would have an agenda every time when posting, the scum mindset of pushing an agenda would be very obvious. I don't see that at all.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:01 pm I want reads from ted

Ask and you shall receive.

I have to thread sit 3 hours to make reads now weh

It’s 1:30 Am, you’re probably getting reads like in... 16 hours max idk

Some time before EoD anyway

I am saddened, though, by your attempts at turning onto your comrade...

The activity is overwhelming me :O

I guess he was talking about another game there.

Myo wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 7:26 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 11:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 11:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 11:33 pm Lol at Sig already having two votes.

Was my initial reaction but also Sloonei isn't the type to just lolvote sig so he may have seen something there that I did not.

I feel like Sloonei's votes are pretend for the first 3/4ths of D1 and Sig somehow pocketed me in a game recently iirc. Covid? Like I'm just gonna let that stuff play out without worrying about what either of them are doing atm. Unless when I read the posts I've missed there's nothing else interesting going on.

Pocketed?

If you find mentioning being pocketed to be a scum tell, why did you not point it out in Jack’s post?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:38 am I'll vote tedxtr for scrap, because I feel pretty good about him.

Wise choice my dear Long Con

I actually think you guys don’t have the votes tomorrow over say, sig or Soneji so I’m gonna chill for a bit more

If my psychic abilities prove to be shit I probably will demonstrate how scum reading me is an obvious cognitive flaw that will ultimately lead to the impending doom of the cute ships

Actually as I typed this I remembered I’m being suspected by 2 newer players and if they are town, they rarely actually get their minds changed so I guess I have to try hard now, rip me

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 10:16 pm I suspect tedxtr quite a bit tbh. He was weird on day 2. Like extra.

Something something suspecting me is the most anti-town action I’ve laid my eyes upon

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:28 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:27 pm This is bad. One of you is actually bad. Lynching Long Con when he's not here in an avalanche like this is bad.

I will never understand why people care about this

Agreed tbh

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 5:52 pm If Spacedaisy is mafia, motobot is a good candidate to be her partner.

Just based on the scrap voting? I don’t think so.

I will look into his ISO and will decide if I have anything important to share

Not anything specific but it’s moreso the lack of towniness and him being in the PoE

I’ll look into siggie’s ISO myself, it’s time the felines brawled it out

Tomorrow tho

Very weak spice vote there but I’ll accept it

Doesn’t really help too much