The Syndicate

if this goes to F3 I'm gonna lose my mind

I still probably wouldn't go there without running into people that we have nothing to at least soft town lean.

Actually, you're right.

I could be biasing myself. I guess there's a loop hole to that.

Oddmerta doesn't die before any of juliets / Nanook / Mac imo

you can tinfoil him, but from where I stand, that is kind of strong

it's not "good" because compared to the other cases where it's 100% failproof, this isn't a direct result of his actions or somebody else's but speculation of events

but he still hinted to herm being town after explaining his entire role, when he PREVIOUSLY HAD A SCUM READ OF HIM.

looks pretty good from my side

I think you guys are reaching into tinfoil territory way too early

Additional evidence :

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:46 am I'm using flowery language to get my point across

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:49 am I appreciate the use of flowery language. It makes me feel at home lol.

This is referring to Herm's role or perhaps even the notification.

It's not weak, even if he cop checked him, he'd still have to be taking a gamble, again.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:29 am Also @tedxtr I was reading back and saw where Odd wants you on Mac tonight. Just wanted to make sure you saw that whether you think it's a good idea or not.

My ability should be on whoever we want to yeet tomorrow

Hoping the game finally ends with LC’s demise

glgl to us

On phone, if you type something for like a minute or two and you don’t hit send, once you do, the site shuts down. Is that an issue just for me?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:19 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:14 pm It is odd that he is giving up if he's 3P. He usually fights and finagles a lot as 3P so I'm willing to consider that he's not.
There's nothing to fight for. I messed up when I mistakenly said I was vanilla for five seconds. It's an airtight case.

I never said that is why you’re getting yeeted for but it would’ve been pretty funny if that ended up to be true

You’re just part of the PoE, been slank-ish, it’s a matter of priority in who goes first but the yeets are pretty set for the most part.

Mac I compiled a list with the clears and why with easy to follow reasoning

SPF is in there, you’re free to poke holes in the reasoning there

I solved the game guise

It says “who’s rogue-ish”

All we gotta do is vote “The Rogue” like duh, obviously

Talking exclusively about mine lol

Pepega reads in thread rn

negl, I was gonna switch but idk why LC's choice of font and colour makes me think he's the 3p

i know this is silly but it's 1am and it's all you're getting lmao

Sorry if wrong El Cee

rest well in dvc

Addition to cleared people thing

Poison should probably be amongst the last people to be considered for a yeet, but I thought that much was obvious.

Priority is always this LC / Mac / juliets / Nanook

I think we just let it be like this, I'm targetting Mac in the night if we miss.

tempted to switch to Mac but he'll be pissed at me if wrong

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:21 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:18 am It's hard to find in this specific game state, it's about who we find more fishy.

Technically, I'd suggest getting Mac out. I think 3p's have a lot of incentive to hide their claims as well. And given that I think 2 of the unclaimable roles are town, I don't know if I buy Mac being a third and actually being town.
And his participation has suddenly plummeted.

I don't know if I pin it as really being AI, he did say he went camping or something.

But still, I think we're better off getting information from his role that may help us.

At worst, we're getting a new puzzle piece to fit in the puzzle.

I look at it more from a selfish angle than actually thinking he's 3p, but, he's in PoE anyway.

It's hard to find in this specific game state, it's about who we find more fishy.

Technically, I'd suggest getting Mac out. I think 3p's have a lot of incentive to hide their claims as well. And given that I think 2 of the unclaimable roles are town, I don't know if I buy Mac being a third and actually being town.

We're at a stage of the game where, with the information that we currently have, can just brute force the solve.

Assuming 3p doesn't have factionals, then game should be locked either way.

The only real threat for us at the moment is if 3p is close to their wincon and win alone. So it's a matter of who goes first from the PoE, maybe.

I actually am notorious for slaughtering neutrals.

I once forced an entire lobby of vets to yeet the neutral on Day 1 in a 60 player mash, lmao.

The most effective method is to just apply a lot of pressure by votes, you can't really out a 3p unless he's at the threat of dying. Their mentality is to survive, and unless you put them in a scenario where they're likely to die, they won't show that mentality, because they don't have to. They aren't threatened.

Another way is to gauge out whether they care about the game. I think it's >rand 3p if somebody losses interest late game, the indicator here being that they're either very close to achieving their wincon or they're so far away from doing it that they don't care anymore. This works out better from a holistic view, like, you look at D1, D2, D3, etc and they should appear less and less interested. A 3p can be motivated early game, especially when catching scum. But that motivation plummets as they're close to winning.

The thing with these things is that it's not really reliable, but it's kind of the only "tells" 3ps have to them. Townies can also be very demotivated, either by IRL reasons or people like SPF who are here to play the hunting game and once that's over, there isn't much interest left.

The level 1 answer here would be to just let Poison waste all of her shots with the Role Cop, because it apparently gives the alignment as well (I thought she only got the role). However, I do think that she was visited by the 3p last night, or if she's the 3p she's probably claiming that regardless.

There's no real way to do it without mechanics, if you're asking me, we just slaughter through whoever's not mechanically locked until we hit the 3p (assuming 3p doesn't have night kills).

It should be auto if 3p doesn't have kills.

Mechanically cleared people

SPF -

Spoiler: show

tedxtr -

Spoiler: show

Oddmerta -

Spoiler: show

Dizzy -

Spoiler: show

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Clarifications :

I have previously mentioned that SPF should be outed 3p if Poison doesn't have the songs to pick from tonight. That is actually incorrect.

If our assumption of SPF being Magpie is correct, then she's always lock cleared. Truth is, if 3p had a visiting role, they probably DID actually visit Poison, but it's not SPF.

Again, whether Poison has the songs tomorrow or not doesn't matter for SPF's alignment as long as our assumption of her song is correct. 3P could be another person and SPF got caught in the crossfire, but as long as she's Magpie, it doesn't matter because of the point I've made about her.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:39 am @tedxtr you good to hit Mac tonight?

this implies we won't yeet him today which I have no guarantee of

Yeah, don't read it lol, that one's fine not to read

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:33 am I didn't read your biggest wall.

I have many walls so I don't know which one you're referring to :P

I will try and say like

SPF -

*spoiler with why they're cleared*

etc etc

maybe that works best

I'll probably work on a huge legacy post;

I get the feeling that either my walls are formatted poorly or it's hard for people to follow through my logic so I will work on making an easy post with why certain people are cleared.

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:01 am
Herm wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:18 pm My album is also The King of Limbs, so I assume me and Rasishes are the only ones with that album, which probably explains why I was seen visiting.

So once I'm miseliminated, just continue the game with that info in mind.
Oh lol, sorry about that typo Radish.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] herm was seen visiting Radishes here, this is the person he should've notified.

SPF is mechanically confirmed town. Who else?

My PoE is you / juliets / nanook / LC right now.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:11 am
Poison Chan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:14 pm 2.If the 3P ever targets you you'll not get the list of 3 songs from which you can choose to inspect the role.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:01 am Good morning Mr. Magpie

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:06 am I used The role card and got High and Dry. Civ. Conditional tracker and can make a post upon their death. I'll elaborate on it later.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:07 am Lol, spf should be mech cleared here.

@Poison Chan explain again how your second condition works?

talking about this

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:14 pm 2.If the 3P ever targets you you'll not get the list of 3 songs from which you can choose to inspect the role.
if Poison doesn't have songs tomorrow, spf just outed herself kekw

^

along her being on the KOL album

should be very lock clear material

Also, I've already made another argument for SPF on the last page that should either confirm her our out her tomorrow.

regardless of what it may be ; he'd still have to be taking the same gambit

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:14 am Thanks ted. Is there a reason Odd has to be the Amnesiac album over Kid A? And thats a good reminder about SPF.

I can't answer that.

The only scenario where Oddmerta would claim he knows Herm is town there would be if he's 3p with a role peek

and still...

he'd have to gambit the amnesiac person that was notified not being alive

I think it's pretty good evidence but if you can find holes then I encourage you to poke them

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:29 am Ok, narrowing it down

Kid A and Amnesiac albums don't have 3p.

King of the Limbs don't have 3p either, me thinks.

Here's the process for Amnesiac album.

Oddmerta claimed Herm is town, now if we read Herm's PM, it says a random town will be notified if there aren't any non-civs on the album.

Herm claimed Amnesiac and Kid A don't have non-civvies on them, and Oddmerta said he KNEW herm was town - which makes me think Oddmerta got notified and he is from the Amnesiac album, which is why I don't think he's 3p.

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We know me, oddmerta, spf are on albums without 3ps (Kid A, Amnesiac, King of the Limbs)

That leaves Mac, Poison, Dizzy, LC, Nanook, Juliets

juliets ^

I think I may have an argument that could prove juliets is town here but it may seem like a stretch and I don't wanna put stuff in thread that I'm not sure about, never leads anywhere good.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:05 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:04 am technically - that stuff shouldn't make LC town, it just proves that he did have that ability.

I'll come back to this
Yes, my thought is it is part of a larger ability.

Iirc LC even admitted to this earlier but I may misremember stuff

around the time I was suggesting the Poison plan

technically - that stuff shouldn't make LC town, it just proves that he did have that ability.

I'll come back to this

tbh very tempted to just yeet Mac here, partly because he's the only unknown role in what appears to be a 3 person PoE fmpov at least

lol does that make LC town? I guess 3p could have a one-shot ability of that or something, but I kinda wanna think he's town

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:38 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:36 am Lol, I cannot vote Long Con today
I had to light a fire under our host's ass.

I can't vote for tutuu but I totally endorse her getting chop't today.

Nevermind?

I guess we have our confirmation lol

I think that interaction is >rand 3p equity because

1) If the ability was real, and he was thinking tutuu should've been notified (which he did - his reaction after that was "Oh, I guess she wasn't notified?") don't you ask her first if she received the notification and potentially clear you?

Why don't you do that? The claim is probably fake and he knows that he can't get cleared.

2) He made a point of his ability being true and guiding it in thread while not ever questioning how tutuu didn't get notified. Imo, as a town, if you have that role, you have one of two reactions :

a. my role doesn't notify
b. i was roleblocked
c. shenanigans that ought to be explored because you don't understand what happened

why did he never theorise as to being roleblocked if he thought tutuu should've been notified?

I think it's because he was trying to prove his ability is legit by guiding actions in thread and getting a slight bit more credit, even if it made him look even worse in the end.

so, from scenario a) you remain with Sloonei just ignoring your 2 votes in the end, which makes the most sense, but he never thought about it and was instead trying to guide the votes.

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Point here being, he skipped any thoughts regarding how his role works or what happened to his actions from his PoV and what that would mean for tutuu or him, and acted as if the action went through, 100%, no doubt.

Why? He was trying to push the agenda of his role working and being legit.

If you are town!LC, don't you ask tutuu first if she was notified of the check in order to understand your role and POTENTIALLY CLEAR YOU???

Instead of suggesting you used it and THEN say "oh I guess she wasn't notified"

Did LC waste his first shot on tutuu yesterday?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:31 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:34 am LC does the recipient of your action not receive a notification that they can't vote on you?
I don't know, I haven't used it yet. I think the utility increases dramatically at endgame, while being kind of useless for the first 3/4 of the game.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:02 am [VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

I don't believe a word she says at this point, and trying to pin this on me is both desperate and distasteful.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:04 am Wait, I can't. And you can't.

Tutuu, we can't vote for each other.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:04 am [VOTE: no one] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:06 am tutuu does not seem aware that I targeted her last night with my power.

he never even described it as if the other person gets notified

I swear I saw him saying the other person doesn't get notified.

Either way - if he implies his role notifies other people

raise your hand if you were ever targeted with any of this.

[mention]Long Con[/mention] who did you target last night?

I think it was all for show it's my point

If you are LC, you know that the other person isn't notified, right?

So what's the whole fuss about tutuu not being able to vote him there?

Why would that bother him in that scenario?

Idk it might sound like a moot point but I didn't get why he went out of his way to do that? You know tutuu can't vote you in the end, so...?

also - I just don't buy the explanation of "the other person doesn't know we can't target each other"

LC with tutuu acting like he'd die because of that when likely it is that the votes don't count also doesn't sit well with me

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Thinking exercise

I'm LC. My role says I can't target the other person and they can't target me.

Why does he make a show out of it yesterday about tutuu not being able to vote him? I mean, if you aren't notified of it, then it's very likely that from a host's perspective, even if you vote for each other, the vote just doesn't count.

No?

But what he did was vote tutuu, then unvote her and told tutuu she can't vote him

Does that make sense at all to anyone else? I might have not put the dot on the i here and just rambled without getting to the actual point here.

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